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I just tried to make the whole page less arrogant and a bit nicer to newcomers. Thoughts? (and what happened to the old Talk: ?? Aha! found it. reposted below.) +sj + 18:48, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC) test

1 Older Talk
2 Deleting your User Talk page or removing text from your User Talk page.
3 Creating more work for WikiJanitors?
4 Wikipedians are all altruists?
5 Multiple line breaks and HTML tables (instead of table markup)
6 Adding a section
7 How about this?
8 Praise and a question
9 Promote to guideline
10 Text Addition
11 user pages question
12 What About Volunteers?
13 Merge

[edit] Older Talk

I've unprotected this page so that anyone can edit it, as I don't feel that the material on it is sensitive enough to justify edit protection. Enchanter 16:45 Sep 8, 2002 (UTC)

I'd like to add something about "don't asssume the reader's cultural background" -- I find we get a lot of articles that assume the reader is familiar with US terms & habits (the Groundhog Day article was a good example: it leapt in with the origins of GD without actually saying what GD is.) ANy objections / modifications? -- Tarquin 11:38 Jan 12, 2003 (UTC)

I agree. How about the point of view? Many articles assume readers are USA citizens (not english-speakers). For example, in Japan article, the size of Japan is the almost same as California or the life expansion is longer than that of USA. Why do we have to compare things with things that americans are familar with? I know it is nice not just say the number but also compare something familiar. But certainly we can't assume what is familiar. Any idea? -- Taku 15:53 Jan 12, 2003 (UTC)

Temporarily Imperfect? That's a lofty goal.

[edit] Deleting your User Talk page or removing text from your User Talk page.

Perhaps this should mention the meta:Right_to_vanish? -- Sy / ^(talk) 02:55, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I believe deleting blatant vandalism from your User Talk page is OK (although deleting criticism isn't). — JIP | Talk 15:04, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Creating more work for WikiJanitors?

I removed this from the page for the time being:

"Creating more work for WikiJanitors, especially for pages in the Wikipedia namespace. Many well-meaning users will attempt to improve a process without considering that their changes will increase the workload for others. See: m:instruction creep."

In a word: huh?

What's a "WikiJanitor?"
"Many well-meaning users will attempt to improve a process..." How do these users attempt to improve a process? Give an example!
"...without considering that their changes will increase the workload for others." How will their changes increase the workload for others? Give an example!

I'm sure this is trying to say something useful. Anyone feel like rewriting it?

- Pioneer-12 20:44, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedians are all altruists?

"Arming for war. Wikipedia is a unique community of altruistic and consensus-oriented people."

Really? Then I'm in the wrong place! Seriously, altruism is a particular ethical viewpoint which is not shared by all users. I changed this to read "...unique community of reasonable and consensus-oriented people". Even though I'm sure the adjective "reasonable" also does not apply to all users, I think it is a much more accurate characterization of the vast majority. capitalist 03:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I believe you are referring to unselfish self-interest, the drive to improve something for oneself in such a way that other people might benefit secondarily. However, I think editing Wikipedia is probably more altruistic than that. After all, this is a website where people go to learn and to research existing knowledge. If a person places correct information on the page, it is not that user that benefits, but others, since the editing user has that knowledge and is sharing it. The only way I can think of to use Wikipedia selfishly and yet reasonably is to place information on Wikipedia to later reference in a research paper, or to prove someone else wrong in an argument. So, whether or not we are altruistic in general, Wikipedians exhibit altruistic behavior when editing, and are thus, for the time, altruistic. BlueNight 21:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't be referring to "unselfish self-interest" any more than I'd be referring to "very short tall people", since both are contradictory. If a person places correct information in Wikipedia, it may be for entirely selfish reasons such as wanting to live in a society of informed people who do things right. For example, if I place information here about how to build a bridge correctly, it's not because I'm being altruistic; it's because I prefer not to drive or walk over bridges which collapse. I'm expanding the knowledge of others not for their well being (although that may be a result), but for my own. capitalist 02:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

And I prefer bridges built by trained engineers, not people who learned how to build them on Wikipedia. ;) --BlueNight 07:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Expressing a personal preference? How un-altruistic of you. Shocking! ;) capitalist 04:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple line breaks and HTML tables (instead of table markup)

Would these classify as common mistakes?

Such as:

This is a paragraph.

This is another paragraph.

And:

? -x42bn6 Talk 14:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Adding a section

Now that anon page creation is disabled one of the most common mistakes by newcomers is writing about themselves or their company. I think we ought to add that; if nobody objects I'll do it myself. - Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 17:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. Put it under 'helping in the wrong way'. Link to appropriate policies. Stevage 20:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Another good reason not to talk about your company, besides those listed, is that if you accidentally disclose intellectual property, you might get fired. I'd add it myself, but as a new Wikipedian, I'm a little timid about editing such a visible page as this one :) --Jaysweet 20:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How about this?

Being a newcomer, I have no idea if this is common or not, but maybe something about checking for a deletion log when creating a new article should be added. I know I didn't do this for my first article, and, being one that had been deleted previously, it was speedily deleted. This almost convinced me to leave Wikipedia. -- VGF11 23:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree heartily with this one. I've been a Wikipedian for years now, but I still don't know of an easy and intuitive way to find the logs for deleted articles. I'll try to find it and put it in the article. Spalding 22:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Praise and a question

There really are a lot of smart people here. I was highly amused with the internal links policy. (each word was cleverly linked, thrive linked to 'failure to thrive', while 'but' linked to 'butt') Nicely done. However, I was wondering if there was a wiki on avoiding common mistakes in Talk/discussion pages. I know you shouldn't incite flamewars, etc... but maybe something as complete, yet simple as this article. Thanks all -rocket

[edit] Promote to guideline

This should really be marked out as a guideline --Barberio 00:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it more like a list that points to a number of existing guidelines? >Radiant< 09:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Radiant. Like lists in the article namespace, this contains no standalone content; instead, it contains summarized duplications of things that are found elsewhere. This page is useful to direct people to, but it doesn't really need guideline status to get its points across. On another note, why did I have this page on my watchlist? Picaroon 20:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

As per above comments, I think this new header is the best reflection. This avoids getting new policy material inadvertantly inserted via summaries like this. AndrewRT(Talk) 21:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Text Addition

The proposed policy page contains the following text:

Company articles. It is often better not to write an article about the company you work for or own. Firstly, you may have problems maintaining a neutral point of view, and secondly, it may be that your article will be quickly deleted. If your company is notable enough, someone else will write an article about it.

I would like to add the following text to give a more positive direction to persons who want more content about their companies on Wikipedia, as many notable companies are probably not included in Wikipedia already:

Company articles. It is often better not to write an article about the company you work for or own. Firstly, you may have problems maintaining a neutral point of view, and secondly, it may be that your article will be quickly deleted. If your company is notable enough, someone else will write an article about it. If you feel the company meets notability criteria, but does not have an article, you can request someone write an article on it.

I would appreciate any comments on this addition, as this is a proposed policy/guideline, I thought it might be worth seeking input before changing the text. --Matthew 21:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a good addition to me! I much prefer telling someone what they may do instead of simply saying "Don't do that". Flakeloaf 15:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

First of all, whether this is added or not, the word "often" should be removed. I find it very unlikely that there is going to be an exception, but the use of the word "often" implies there might be.

I also think the link to Wikipedia:Requested articles is a bad idea. Giving people interested in promoting their company, as many - I'm not going to say most - of those who want these articles are, is not something we want to do. Instead, we should make it clear to them that any article on the company they are associated some of them will), the requestor's ability to say "but somebody else wrote it!" will throw a monkey wrench in the process of removing non-notable content. Granted, many of the requests for article writing will be ignored, but if some are accepted, it could be seen as a form of meatpuppetry (albeit in good faith), could it not?

To sum up what I said, I think "often" should be removed, but your last sentence shouldn't be added. Picaroon 22:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I make bullet points and how do i make a columns and how do i get photos onto this website.CorreyBonnick 17:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] user pages question

I've heard it said that wikipedia is not a blog, this article seems to be saying that a person can use their user page as 1, by saying they can write anything to their hearts content. What are sandoxes for then (up to now I have not even used my sanbox as a blog. I have been of the impression that all wikipedia should be used in line w/ wikipedia, and that many even feel that @ least most userboxes were pushing it in terms of self-promotion. Please helpThaddeus Slamp

[edit] What About Volunteers?

I was trying to parse the wikiquette and I wasn't sure about my situation. I'm a part-time volunteer for a non-profit and someone recently added an entry for the project I'm working on. Is it improper to edit it to reflect more accurate information about the project? Schear 22:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

The similar page Wikipedia:Common mistakes was merged with this page following an unchallenged proposal at Wikipedia talk:Common mistakes. If you have any objections to this merge, please feel free to voice them. haz (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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