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[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI

You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the Spanish language transwiki project. The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from Spanish wikipedia and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge. We need your help, so if there are any Spanish speakers here please join up as your language skills are crucial. We want to improve our coverage of Spain in English right? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] FAR of MSF

I have nominated Médecins Sans Frontières for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Jclemens (talk) 05:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Naming convention for churches in Spain

Not all churches in Spain follow a naming convention. Many articles are named "Church of Foo" and I think it would be appropriate for most/all to follow this naming convention. Some are grammatically incorrect. Some are misleading.

Some put the word "Church" at the end, without the possessive apostrophe, like naming an article "Saint Patrick Cathedral":
- San Pablo Church vs. San Pablo's Church (grammatically correct but poor choice) vs. Church of San Pablo (good choice).
- San Isidro Church, Madrid vs. San Isidro's Church (grammatically correct but poor choice) vs. Church of San Isidro or Church of San Isidro el Real (either are good choices).
Some church articles just go by a saint's name + town. This is like naming an article "St. Patrick of New York" vs. "St. Patrick's Cathedral".

I recognize that the articles were named in different ways on the es wiki, and that this probably influenced the selected name for the en wiki article, but I'd like to see article name conformity on the en wiki. Do you agree? I don't want to start on Redirects if this has been hashed out before. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I added a search box to the archives to see if this had been discussed before and it appears not. My personal preference would be for the form San / Santa [saint's name] (de{l/lla} [location name]) rather than Church of .... I think as direct a transliteration as possible should be made. The form San Isidro's Church sghould not be used as this is a mixture of a Spanish name with an English grammar convention. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, @Jezhotwells. But at first glance, to me, your suggestion of San/Sant/Santa/Santo [saint's name] (de{l/lla} [location name]) appears to be an article about "Saint (name) of (location)", rather than an article about a church. As there are many "cathedral" articles that include "cathedral" in their name, I think "church" articles that include "church" should be acceptable. To better frame the myriad of naming styles (and the reason why I'm looking for some stability in naming convention), I updated some of what I wrote yesterday with these examples:

Saint, name, building: San Pablo Church
City, building: Jaén Cathedral
Saint, possessive name, building, city in parens: St. Michael's Basilica (Madrid)
Saint, name, building, comma, city: San Nicolas Cathedral, Alicante
Building, of, city: Cathedral of Murcia
Building, of, city, country: Cathedral of Zamora, Spain
Building, of, city, municipality: Cathedral of San Salvador, Oviedo; Church of San Tirso, Oviedo
Building, of, building, de, saint, name: Church of Monasterio de San Miguel
Name with no indication of type of building: La Seu (cathedral); San Julián de los Prados (church); San Vicente of Oviedo (monastery); Santa Margarida de Sagàs (chapel)
Variations on name "Saint Mary/St Mary/Santa Maria":
Variations on location "Madrid":
More examples of differing configurations can be found at: Cat:Churches in Spain, Cat:Churches in Barcelona, Cat:Basilica churches in Spain, Cat:Cathedrals in Spain, Cat:Cathedrals in Catalonia, Cat:Churches in Catalonia,Cat:Churches in Asturias, Cat:Churches in Galicia, Cat:Churches in Madrid, Cat:Churches in Toledo, Spain.

Thanks for looking at this with fresh eyes. Right now, I'm stumped. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:07, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving

I took the liberty of archiving all discussions from Feb 2008 to Dec 2008 into archive 5 and adding a search box to the archive. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps Reassessment of Lope de Barrientos

Lope de Barrientos has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite of List of viceroys of New Spain

Hola! I am thinking to rewrite the list of Viceroys in the article, that will appear like the one I did here. Any reaction? Am I still doing good so far (without conflicting history?) My list is still not done yet, but I want to know if the division of sections I made is valid.--JL 09^{Talk to me!}_{msg 4 u!} 16:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The first theatre and the first actors

Hello! I am interested in theatre history, and I hope some one can answer my question. I wonder: which was the first theatre, with proffesional actors of both genders, in Spain? I am also interested in the first known actor and actress, or the most famous actor and actress, of that theatre's early years. I have heard that the first theatre in Spain of this kaind was built in 1640. What was it called, and who were the first actor and actress there? I hope someone can answer my question. I would be gratefull if You could answer on my talk page. Regards--Aciram (talk) 09:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] pronunciation of fútbol

A lot of football clubs have IPA for their names, and the word fútbol is usually transcribed [ˈfutβol]. This seems a bit dubious. Due to voicing assimilation, I'd expect either [ˈfudbol] (as in Catalan) or maybe [ˈfuðβol]. Can anyone say which? or are the transcriptions correct? kwami (talk) 08:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The third one. The 't' is a very soft, aspirated ð; the 'b' is quite soft too. The first one would be about right for a Bayern supporter looking for Camp Nou :-) --mikaul^talk 09:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Since that's such a large part of our audience, maybe I'd better leave it alone.

(I added this word as an example in Spanish phonology. Perhaps there are better ones, such as compounds where it's clear that underlying the [ð] is truly a /t/?) kwami (talk) 10:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

What about Fútbol Club Barcelona : does the gemination of the bs cause them to harden to [b], or are they still [β]? kwami (talk) 10:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd say that was the case for "Barcelona", but not for "club", although you do have a bit of occlusion between the two words which complicates things a little... --mikaul^talk 10:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Images requested

I apologize for not sending this sooner, but if anyone in the project attended the 2009 ICF Canoe Slalom World Championships that just concluded today in La Seu d'Urgell, please put images in the article. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Chris (talk) 18:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User:Camelotescorial

Guys, would you please take a look at contribs by Camelotescorial (talk · contribs) and, if necessary, fix contents. I just tagged for speedy a bunch of partisan proclamations posted by Camelotescorial and related to Escorial; AGF but they don't belong to encyclopedia. Regards, NVO (talk) 19:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish locations in Kerry Slug

Buenos dias folks, there are alot of redlinks in the Distribution section of the Kerry Slug article. Given I know very little about Spanish geography, if some locals could either create some stubs, or alternately some might warrant subsections of other geographical articles or exist under another name, this'd be very helpful. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:55, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Salvador Dali at Featured Article Review

I have nominated Salvador Dali for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. miranda 18:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Attacks to EADS-CASA article

I have a problem which a pair of American users, what for an inexplicable reason they disliking the fact of EADS-CASA is building the Eurofighter Typhoon in Spain.

This users, User:Dave1185 and User:BilCat was deleting repeatedly some references and pictures about the Spanish Eurofighter that I write in the EADS-CASA article. I don’t understand the reason of that attitude… In spite of being a fact confirmed that EADS-CASA makes these planes for the Spanish Air force, these American users insist that the plane is not a product of EADS-HOUSE and erase everything related with this fact.

anybody can help me with the EADS-CASA article, and to stop that guys?.

Greetings for all

Tengo un problema con un par de usuarios Americanos, que por alguna extraña razón no les gusta el hecho de que EADS-CASA está construyendo el Eurofighter Typhoon en España.

Estos usuarios User:Dave1185 y User:BilCat han borrado repetidamente algunas referencias, y imágenes sobre el Eurofighter español que yo había puesto en el articulo de EADS-CASA. No entiendo la razón de esta actitud. A pesar de ser un hecho contrastado que EADS-CASA fabrica estos aviones para la fuerza Aérea Española, estos usuarios americanos insisten que el avión no es un producto de EADS-CASA y borran todo lo relacionado con este hecho.

Alguien puede ayudarme con el articulo de EADS-CASA y a parar a estos tipos?

Saludos a todos Bielasko (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Popular pages

I have requested a list of popular pages for this project at [1]. --Ysangkok (talk) 15:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Salamanca

Before starting a edit war with User:Venerock about the Salamanca article, I would like to post here. I've added some info from the Spanish wikipedia, and worked a bit on the article, but this work has been bluntly undone, withouth explanation. As members of the WikiProject Spain; do you feel the article is worsened by these additions, to the point that they must be reverted as vandalism? I am open to suggestions and collaboration. Knights who say ni (talk) 22:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I looked over a comparison and thought the bits you added, which fleshed out the lede considerably, were good progress. Have you discussed this with User:Venerock? --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 23:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination for deletion of Template:Spanish comarca

Template:Spanish comarca has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 18:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion is ongoing. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:38, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Spanish city

Template:Infobox Spanish city has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 20:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Result and replace with infobox settlement. This action will be undertaken by bots. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion discussion for voseo

Voseo has been nominated for deletion. Please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voseo and help find a consensus. Thanks! +An gr 06:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The result was keep. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article alerts

I have been bold and added an Article Alerts template to the Project main page. This will take few days to update. If others feel we should not have this or it should be somewhere else, please discuss. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It is up and running now - section headed Article alerts. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review humbly requested!

To all interested persons :P

I've listed the Monarchy of Spain article for peer review because…

My eyes have been on it too long and not enough views that have generated comments! lol. I have watched the page for a year looking to see if there were improvements, but none. So, this past summer I started editing the artical answering questions that I myself would have for the Spanish monarchy. There are other sections I wish to add (such as the Monarchy, media, and the people), but before I go further I wished to get comments on what is present.

Thanks, ♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 07:05, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

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