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[edit] Peer review-Evangelis Zappas

I've listed this article for peer review here Wikipedia:Peer_review/Evangelis_Zappas/archive1, perhaps it can be further improved to GA status. Any input would be appreciated! Regards.

[edit] New rugby and golf venues for the 2016 Olympics

Hi all. Given the inclusion of golf and rugby sevens as official Olympic sports and their inclusion into 2016 programme, the Rio 2016 Organizing Committee announced that it found a venue for Rugby Sevens - the Estádio São Januário - which is located within the Maracanã zone. As for golf, the venue has yet to be decided, as the Rio 2016 Organizing Committee is awaiting word from the IGF as to which of the two proposed golf clubs to use: the Gávea Golf Club (located close to Ipanema between the Copacabana and Barra zones) and the Itanhangá Golf Club (located just outside the Barra zone). I've included the link to the press release from the Rio 2016 Organizing Committee regarding these venues: [1]

[edit] Navboxes

At the suggestion of a reviewer at FLC, I created a navbox for the 1928 Games here. I am thinking of creating one for each Olympic Games, including moving the page-side templates in use for the more recent Games to the bottom of the page in this form. Input on format, what articles to include, etc? Thoughts? Geraldk (talk) 14:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

What about collapsible navboxes, especially if we get to later Olympics with a lot of different sports and competitions such as the 2008 Summer Olympics or the 2010 Winter Olympics? Something to think about. Good idea though. Chris (talk) 16:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Just a note, we've already got {{EventsAt1928WinterOlympics}} and similar (which are collapsible) for all the Games. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 16:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Chris - I'm new at this navbox thing. Could you point me to a sample of a collapsible navbox so I have a better idea of what you're talking about. Jonel - I was thinking these could incorporate and supersede those events navboxes. Geraldk (talk) 16:54, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Figured out how to make collapsible groups within the navbox. This would supersede a number of existing templates, including the 'Events at xxxx Olympics', 'Nations at xxxx Olympics', and 'xxxx Olympics venues' navbox templates. Geraldk (talk) 18:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I like them, but where would they be used? Which set of articles do you have in mind? What problem are you trying to solve? The long-standard navigation structure we've always had (and if it ain't broke, don't fix it!) is that you can navigate in two directions from all the main articles, as they could each be considered part of two different series. On a "Sport at the Year Olympics" page, you can navigate to that same sport for any other Games, and you can navigate to each of the other sports at the same Games. For example, we have {{EventsAt2008SummerOlympics}} and {{Olympic Games Athletics}} at the bottom of Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics. Similarly, on a "Nation at the Year Olympics" page (such as China at the 2008 Summer Olympics), you can go to any other nation at these same Games (e.g. via {{NOCin2008SummerOlympics}}) and you can get to the page for this nation at any other Games (e.g. via the {{Infobox Olympics China}} infobox). I am usually very leery of navboxes, as they are tremendously over-used in many parts of Wikipedia, so I adhere by the thought of "where would the reader most likely want to go next". With what we have now, I think we do a good job of not over-loading each article with navigation links. If we combine everything into a per-Games all-inclusive navbox, I think you end up with a lot of superfluous links on each article. For example, would you need all the sports links in every nation article, or vice-versa? Would you need every venue link in either of those article types? — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

My tendency would be to err on the side of providing maximum flexibility for the reader. It is impossible for us to predict exactly where a surfing reader may want to go next, and I would rather have a flexible system of navboxes that might meet any need. Why wouldn't they want to surf from a sport article to one about a nation who participated, or to a venue? I think you're right to be leery of over navboxing, as was I in my original response to the FLC reviewer, but I'm convinced that the collapsible navbox adequately prevents the box from being too linky, if you will. Geraldk (talk) 22:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, let's see some other opinions on this talkpage first. I do concede that the current system was implemented before "collapsibility", which certainly helps the situation now, as you point out. But I'm envisioning the navbox for a contemporary Summer Games, which would have >200 links in the Nations section, ~31 links in the Sports section, and 30–40 links in the Venues section. Most of those would be quite superfluous for any given page. And to answer your (rhetorical?) question, we already have in-article links "from a sport article to one about a nation who participated", through templates such as {{flagIOCathlete}} and {{flagIOCteam}} which are copiously used in all our results pages. The venue link by itself (in the navbox) has no context at all (what events were held there?), but once you get to a results page (e.g. Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's individual pursuit), the {{Infobox Olympic event}} infobox has an in-context link to the venue article. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I think what we've got now is perfectly fine, though I'm not completely opposed to full navboxes like the example one. If you do want to convert to that, I would want them to be completely made before implementing them so we don't have a job half-done. Reywas92^Talk 23:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

And depending on the scope of this (hence my question of where would they be used above), we're talking about a few thousand articles... — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm fine taking on the responsibility for the conversion, if that's the decision, and AWB will help. Another option would be to create smaller navboxes like the current Template:2008 Summer Olympics, only hitting the major articles. These would be pretty small for the early Olympics, though. Geraldk (talk) 23:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

And another option is to keep things as they are. Using 2008 as an example, I don't see the need to replace the set of exisiting navigation templates with a very large all-inclusive one. {{2008 Summer Olympics}}, {{EventsAt2008SummerOlympics}}, {{NOCin2008SummerOlympics}}, and {{2008 Summer Olympics venues}} are all located on the most appropriate article set for each topic. I believe that unifying them together under one umbrella is a solution in seach of a problem. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I understand that, you've already stated it quite vehemently. What I'm saying is that there is currently no template like {{2008 Summer Olympics}} for the early Olympic games that links together some of the basic articles like the medals tables and medal winners lists. That is what is missing, and what convinced me that the reviewer may have a point. Geraldk (talk) 23:47, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Time to restart the Templates discussion and provide an efficient template network for Olympic-related articles? Felipe Menegaz 01:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 2010 Planning

I've created a page to coordinate planning for the 2010 Games at Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/2010Planning. Everyone cool if I put a link to it on the main wikiproject website? Geraldk (talk) 13:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] List of venues articles

Is there a standard for titles of articles about Olympics' venues? From a quick search, I notice that there are two different formats used: 2000 Summer Olympics venues on one hand, and List of 2008 Summer Olympics venues, List of 2010 Winter Olympics venues, and List of 2012 Summer Olympics venues on the other. Also note that there is a discussion at Talk:List of 2010 Winter Olympics venues about moving to Venues of the 2010 Winter Olympics (or 2010 Winter Olympics venues per 2000), as the article has more prose than a 'list' would. -M.Nelson (talk) 22:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Note that List of 2012 Summer Olympics venues is not in "list" format whatsoever. -M.Nelson (talk) 22:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver

		WikiProject Vancouver
		You have been invited to participate in Operation Schadenfreude to restore the article Vancouver back to featured article status.

- The article Vancouver, the host city of the 2010 Winter Olympics was once a featured article. We're working to have it restored to featured article status in time for the Olympics if you're available. Mkdw^talk 22:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)