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Contents 1 FAC review of the Britannica? 2 Category change 3 Library, Archives, and Web 2.0 Research Guide Template 4 Talk at Wikimania 5 A discussion 6 Proposed changes to Template:Infobox Library 7 Template:WPLibrarians 8 Archive 9 Portal , Template? 10 In search of some help re: Philip Larkin as a librarian 11 Talk:Readers'_advisory/GA1 12 suggestions 13 Notability of multi-branch library systems 14 Scope question 15 Advice needed on interwikis 16 Library Attendance 17 FYI: New articles 18 Coordinators' working group 19 'This Is A Userpage' templates 'This Is A Userpage' templates 20 Article alerts 21 Use of {{WPLibrarians}} 22 New stub types 23 Could be useful 24 Deleting subpages of Library of Congress Classification 25 David Ferriero 26 Dewey Decimal lookup? 27 New project for Museums, Libraries and Archives 28 WikiProject Libraries? 29 Formatting and organization 30 Assistance with source comparison? 31 WP Libraries needed

[edit] FAC review of the Britannica?

Hi all, the Encyclopædia Britannica article is now a Featured Article candidate, and could benefit from more reviewers. Would some of you be interested? You should be as picky and scrupulous as possible, since we all want the article to be as fine as possible, able to withstand the harshest scrutiny. Phoebe already made some corrections and a review, and I'm hoping that more of you will want to do so as well. Thank you! Willow 17:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category change

I have proposed a change in the Name of Category:Serials, periodicals and journals to either Category:Serials, periodicals, magazines, and journals or Category:Continuing publications -- Discuss

Category since renamed. See Category:Periodicals. Carcharoth (talk) 11:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Library, Archives, and Web 2.0 Research Guide Template

Librarians, please consider giving your opinion on the research guide template.Shannon bohle (talk) 06:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk at Wikimania

Hello everyone,

I am running a panel at Wikimania this year entitled "Wikimedia and libraries".

Here's the description:

The Bibliotheca Alexandrina provides an amazing and inspirational setting to talk about how the world's largest encyclopedia-building and free-knowledge project to date fits in with libraries and knowledge-gathering efforts throughout history. The traditional concerns of libraries and of the Wikimedia projects are similar: to preserve information and knowledge, to catalog and arrange it, and to distribute it as widely as possible. As the Wikimedia projects mature, questions of how the projects can work best with libraries to achieve the goal of disseminating free knowledge -- and how libraries can work best with Wikimedia -- become increasingly important. What can Wikimedia learn from libraries? And what can libraries learn from the Wikimedia projects?

The panelists are library professionals from different countries, working in very different settings. Other invited panelists will bring further perspectives on other digital library and preservation projects from around the world. The format will be discussion, with Q&A from the audience (possibly gathered ahead of time online). The exact topics of discussion may shift depending on the ultimate makeup of the panel.

I would *very* much like to collect questions and ideas ahead of time. If you can think of anything that would be interesting to discuss regarding the intersection of libraries, Wikipedia and Wikimedia (especially from an international perspective), please leave a note here, on my talk page, on the Wikimania wiki, or send me an email.

Thanks so much! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 05:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A discussion

An important discussion on " Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ? " is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - , member of WikiProject Council. 14:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed changes to Template:Infobox Library

User:Clpda is proposing some changes to Template:Infobox Library, the infobox that is used on most library articles. Mostly the proposed changes are expansion. See Template talk:Infobox Library for more information, comments are encouraged. -kotra (talk) 17:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:WPLibrarians

I just created : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WPLibrarians [1] to put on talk pages, if one already exists, please post it here.

Also, I would like to see a set of books library books in the future, but I figured I would use that image a placeholder.

JohnRussell (talk) 18:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I see the image is a placeholder, but I would make the image much smaller. As it is now, the template is much too tall. -kotra (talk) 20:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Great idea!!! I just made it 100px. What do you think? Any ideas for a better image?

JohnRussell (talk) 22:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

100px is better than before, but in looking around at other WikiProject templates on talk pages, I see that most of them seem to be between 30px and 90px tall. Here are some examples. That last one has the tallest one (WP:WikiProject Egypt), at 96px, so 100px isn't far out of the norm, but it might be better to have it at like 80px height, for example. Anyway, I like this image, but is it supposed to illustrate librarians or libraries? It seems like it more illustrates books or general literature. The two images to the right both illustrate libraries, but they might be hard to make out at the small size. I'm at a loss if it should illustrate librarians, unless there's a famous librarian, like in classical Roman or Greek history (I can't think of any). -kotra (talk) 04:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I like the top one, I'm going to copy it into the template at that size. I think illustrating a library isle works. What do other people think? JohnRussell (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I've always been fond of this little graphic.

Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I added that the green guy on the right.JohnRussell (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

What does everything think about archiving some of the old discussions on this talk page? JohnRussell (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

You can anytime; this quote is from someone I asked how: 'See Help:Archiving a talk page and User:MiszaBot.'--JRSpriggs (talk) 04:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC.)

--Dchmelik (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Portal , Template?

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Library_and_information_science [2] has some good organization. Is there a Library template around for attaching to the bottom of library articles to help tie them together? I would like to make one, if one is not already out there. JohnRussell (talk) 18:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In search of some help re: Philip Larkin as a librarian

I've been doing a lot of work on the Larkin page, and am aware that we're missing an evaluation of his work as a librarian. Someone gave me a link to a useful source, but since I know nothing on this subject I thought it would be good to try to find someone with specialist knowledge of university libraries to decide what would be the notable elements that should be included on in the article. I've put a very brief sentence, with this ref, at the end of the Philip Larkin#Posthumous reputation section in the hope that someone else will expand it. Thank you! almost-instinct 11:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Readers'_advisory/GA1

The Wikipedia Readers' Advisory article that I have been working on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readers%27_advisory and was listed as a good article nominee. It was been peer reviewed and the article is "on hold" for 7 days pending improvements. The review and recommended improvements can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Readers%27_advisory/GA1

Many are are simple fixes. I feel that the article is close to promotion. Any help would be appreciated. Please make note on the review page under any items you have worked on so we can keep track of progress. JohnRussell (talk) 23:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] suggestions

If you guys have time, can someone document DOI usage? WP:DOI redirects to a bot page, and there are also {{doi}} and {{doi-inline}} templates. A useful doc page at WP:DOI akin to the WP:ISBN would be good.

I think you guys should also cover PubMed (WP:PMID) and ISSNs (WP:ISSN), not just ISBNs

A WP:bibcode would be good to cover bibcodes ... {{bibcode}} 70.51.9.124 (talk) 09:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of multi-branch library systems

Is there a way to determine notability of multi-branch library systems?

I.E. if someone starts an article on a United States county library system with a central library and three branches, would this be inherently notable? Or would that be redirected to the county article? When does a library system become notable and/or qualify for a separate article? WhisperToMe (talk) 13:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to take a cue from the WP:MUSIC#Albums section; albums of notable performers seem to be considered automatically notable, but the suggestion is made that album articles with little more than a track listing would be better suited to the performer's article, or a main discography article (space permitting). When there is more information to present, then its own article would be warranted. That's just my 2¢. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 14:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

In that case the equivalent of the "performer's article" would be the entity controlling the library system, I.E. a county (parish/borough) or a city. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

That makes sense to me. Larger municipalities, et. al., would have more significant library systems, (e.g. New York Public Library, Free Library of Philadelphia). On a side note, in my search for examples, it seems to be that the Central Arkansas Library System[3] should have an article, with 12 branches, serving centrally the capital of Arkansas and the surrounding area. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 14:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

(ec) It is usually quite difficult to find sourcing on a public library system that is independent and non-trivial. For this reason, I think that most public library systems should not have their own articles but should instead be mentioned in the county/parish/etc article. Public library systems that have made a significant impact (for example, the first public library system or one known for doing something particularly innovative) will likely have enough non-trivial coverage to warrant a good article, but those types of systems are likely few and far between. Even if the sources are available, if they only allow us to write one paragraph on the library, I'd rather see it in the county/parish article. Karanacs (talk) 14:21, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

the closest analogies are schools, and fire departments. For fire departments, there has been considerable opposition to anything less than a county level (or a substantial city). There would probably be some consideration of the size of the county, though this has not yet really come up in systematic way. For elementary schools, the rule has been to link to the school district, which will contain a brief list. The question of very small districts has arisen, and remains unsettled--I would personally not like articles for districts having a single school--as does happen in the US West. For secondary schools, there are normally individual articles. I think we could probably justify articles for library systems of large counties, or ones that are well-known, and for cities. I don't know what the critical size would be. The factors are area served, and holdings, and circulation, and activity in general. For local things--even things I very much like--I typically support merges. Now, I am more familiar with libraries in cities; in such cases, I would usually urge one article, but in special cases there could be a separate one for the city system, and the central library (eg Boston). The question we need to focus on is the typical suburban county. Any suggestions as a test.DGG (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scope question

Are articles about libraries to be tagged as part of this project? Case in point: should I tag Talk:Desasevini vayanasala for this project or not? Thanks, Aleta ^Sing 19:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

No one has an answer for this??? Just a yes or no, please, is all I ask. Aleta ^Sing 18:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I think library articles should indeed be tagged. Pegship (talk) 18:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, that was my inclination, but I wanted someone else's thoughts on it. I'll go with that for now. If someone objects later on... well, I waited a long time to hear from anyone. Thanks, Pegship! Aleta ^Sing 21:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Advice needed on interwikis

Hello, in order to enhance the article fr:documentaliste on the French Wikipedia I would like your opinion about the best way to manage interwikis with the English version. The trouble is that the library and information science related jobs are not organized exactly the same way in English- and French-speaking countries, so that the job names do not match exactly. The main problem is that librarian matches two French job names :

• fr:Bibliothécaire - usually working in public libraries, more oriented towards the management of physical supports of information (books firts, but also tapes, CDs etc.) and dealing with general public. Loan management, cultural development is more the task of the bibliothécaire.
• fr:Documentaliste - usually in structures operating about specific topics and publics, more oriented towards bringing information to fulfill people's needs. Information gathering and management, bibliographic assistance, states of the art, sometimes business intelligence is more the task of the documentaliste.

Though related, the two jobs are quite distinct in France (I do not know about other French-speaking countries) - with different definitions, formations, professional societies etc. AFAIK (little, I must admit), the English word librarian is more flexible and can apply to both kind of jobs.

I recently discovered a documentalist article which allowed me to put in the following match : librarian / bibliothécaire and documentalist / documentaliste. I would like to know it it seems you acceptable. The word seems documentalist would appear to be somewhat outdated ; its article mentions that a more modern term is information specialist, which however has neither an article nor a redirection of its own. I do not know how this should be dealt with : by renaming documentalist > information specialist, creating a redirection, separating the notions.

There is also an information professional entry. Is the denomination commonly used, or is it just a classificatory, cover term for all kinds of librarians and archivists?

Thank you in advance, Bertrand Bellet (talk) 13:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Salut. "Documentalist" is a new word to me, but it does show up in both MWOS and Webster's unabridged, and gets 120K Google hits. I haven't studied library science; is there a better term, guys? - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 13:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Library Attendance

I just prodded this first-person essay by a first-time editor; maybe you guys can salvage it. NVO (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FYI: New articles

A bot has been set up, which looks through the new Wikipedia articles and picks up those that are likely related to libraries and archives. The search results are available at User:AlexNewArtBot/LibrariesSearchResult and are normally updated on a daily basis. Colchicum (talk) 00:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinators' working group

Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot (Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 05:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 'This Is A Userpage' templates 'This Is A Userpage' templates

I wrote a comment: talk:User page:'This Is A Userpage' templates'. I made a userpage that may be clearer than an unmodified one and, if its writers think the box they recommend leaving on an edited user page is clear, mine may be clearer, because it has a TOC with a link to [This Is A Wikipedia User Page] and then the box saying that under a heading-sized link saying the same thing--and the box has its own link. The reason for the box must be in case it is printed: it has a URL right back to its user's page.

However, there is only one userpage example--without their box, so I do not completely know what they are recommending, and I think our project--and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_science--would be the best ones to make examples for people in various disciplines, etc.. Some other [Wikimedia] Foundation projects that should have our project ([Wikibooks], [Wikisource], [Wiktionary], [Wikiquotes], even [[4]] and the rest) may also need examples, but some/all should probably be accesible from the main Wikimedia site. I have studied Comp. Sci. 15 years but many other people know much more about 'WTML' (to make detailed pages with) than I, and I would rather program a book database, text processor, ..., than an entire Wiki, but feel free to ask me about editing user or other pages or about integrating your use of Wikimedia sites. Much of what one may need to know is in this project's article about editing, but more could be put on the LIS portal.

If you want to reply to me (or anyone) and have them know a.s.a.p., please go to her/his talk page (at the end of her/his signature.)--Dchmelik (talk) 12:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article alerts

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[edit] Use of {{WPLibrarians}}

Is nobody using {{WPLibrarians}} on Discussion pages? I added it to a couple of articles and when I clicked on the resulting category link (e.g. "B-class librarians articles") mine were the only ones listed! --Bookgrrl ^holler/lookee here 12:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New stub types

For your sorting pleasure, we now have Cat:Library and information science biography stubs and Cat:Library building and structure stubs. Pegship (talk) 23:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Could be useful

Cat:Wikipedians by access to offline sources. Some of us should jump on this bandwagon. I'll go first! :P Pegship (talk) 15:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting subpages of Library of Congress Classification

I am thinking of proposing all the subpages at Category:Library of Congress Classification for deletion, as they are not encyclopedia articles, they simply repeat the classification. Wikisource has all this information:[5] as does the Library of Congress:[6]. Fences&Windows 00:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] David Ferriero

I found this article (about Obama's nominee for the National Archives), began modifying it, and soon entered into a conflict with the creator because I felt there are a few NPOV issues (with which the creator strongly disagreed). I ask and invite others look over this article and help edit it and provide appropriate categories. -- kosboot (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dewey Decimal lookup?

We just added Dewey Decimal and LC Classification fields over at {{Infobox book}}, and I'm updating the example to show the new fields. However, I've had no luck finding the Dewey Decimal Classification for Anne of Green Gables (1908) [if it has one]. Can anyone help me out? --Cybercobra (talk) 17:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New project for Museums, Libraries and Archives

Following a discussion at WP:COI about museums/libraries/archives, we thought it would be good to have a place to discuss issues relevant to, and give specific advice for, professionals in the cultural sector working on Wikipedia. This will probably become WP:MLA and it is currently under development here: User:Witty_lama/Sandbox (and equivalent talkpage). It's not supposed to be a policy page itself, but rather a "one stop shop" for professional archivists, museum professionals, librarians to come and see all the policies/guidelines that apply to them and get advice and assistance. That said, we just started discussing a possible subject specific notability criteria for MLAs as well. UncleDouggie (talk) 01:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

This page is now published at Wikipedia:advice for the cultural sector (aka WP:GLAM. Feel free to comment. It refers out to this wikiproject several times so some people may come across. Perhaps you might like to refer out to it from here too? Sincerely Witty Lama 15:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Libraries?

I looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Libraries and found nothing. I eventually Googled this WikiProject. Should that redlink be a redirect to here? If this WikiProject does cover libraries, would you be interested in helping to write an article about the Library of the American Museum of Natural History? Currently, this is a redlink, with a section at American Museum of Natural History#Library, but I think it should have its own article. Is anyone here interested in helping out with that? Carcharoth (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if we should actually rename it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Librarians and Libraries as I think it would better reflect the project scope. Other opinions? That redlink would be a good one to turn blue; I don't know much about it myself right now. LadyofShalott 17:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting and organization

I did a major overhaul to the organization and formatting of the Project. I also made sure that alerts, assessment, and cleanup are clearly visible to help in the improvement of WPLibrarians articles. Clifflandis (talk) 20:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Assistance with source comparison?

Hi. An article came up on today's Copyright problems board that may contain content copied from Gale's Contemporary Authors Autobiography Series volume 26. I know most libraries have this, but I am seldom able to access a library. Is anyone here able to look at the listing for Victor di Suvero and compare it to the article to see if it looks like a copyright problem? (It's an odd situation to begin with. To see why, check out the article's talk.) Help with this would be tremendously appreciated. If it doesn't seem like something any of you can help with, I'd also be grateful for a pointer where else to ask. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Answered in detail on the article talk page. Let me know if I can be of further help! -- Clifflandis (talk) 23:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WP Libraries needed

Hi, I am doing cleanup work in Greek Museum stubs, and I noticed that some libraries had been misnamed as Library museums, when in fact their official sites do not present them as such. One example is the recently renamed and recategorized Gennadius Library. Due to a confused website, it was named as the Gennadious National Library Museum [7] (with a photo of the National Library of Greece). I am not a specialist and I don't know where the limits between a simple library and a library museum are. So I would be thankful for any enlightening explanations to help in my work. If this WP encompasses libraries it would be best to reflect this in tagging Library articles for assessment and importance over to this project. Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 07:53, 26 November 2009 (UTC)