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Hong Kong To-do:

^{edit · history · watch · purge}

Collaboration:

To Improve to featured standard: Hong Kong • Cathay Pacific • Edinburgh Place Ferry Pier • History of Colonial Hong Kong (1800s–1930s) • Queen's Pier • Stanley Internment Camp

To Improve to good article standard: Bruce Lee • Mooncake • Chinese New Year • HSBC • Triad (underground societies) • Shenzhen • First Opium War • Cinema of Hong Kong • Kowloon • History of Hong Kong • Economy of Hong Kong • Hong Kong Island • Unequal Treaties • Transport in Hong Kong • Education in Hong Kong • Culture of Hong Kong • Canton dialect • Hong Kong Cantonese • Demographics of Hong Kong • Languages of Hong Kong • Districts of Hong Kong

To Expand: Jet Li • Dim sum • New Territories • Politics of Hong Kong • Geography of Hong Kong

To Destub: Stub pages listed on popular pages • Five Constituencies Referendum

To Deorphan:

To Create: Clean up old article requests starting with the ones requested before August 2007.

Wanted Pics/Graphics: Hong Kong returnee

To Assess: Assign importance to all articles found in Category:Unknown-importance Hong Kong articles per new importance scale.

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To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong:

Collaboration:

To Improve to featured standard: Hong Kong • Cathay Pacific • Edinburgh Place Ferry Pier • History of Colonial Hong Kong (1800s–1930s) • Queen's Pier • Stanley Internment Camp

To Improve to good article standard: Bruce Lee • Mooncake • Chinese New Year • HSBC • Triad (underground societies) • Shenzhen • First Opium War • Cinema of Hong Kong • Kowloon • History of Hong Kong • Economy of Hong Kong • Hong Kong Island • Unequal Treaties • Transport in Hong Kong • Education in Hong Kong • Culture of Hong Kong • Canton dialect • Hong Kong Cantonese • Demographics of Hong Kong • Languages of Hong Kong • Districts of Hong Kong

To Expand: Jet Li • Dim sum • New Territories • Politics of Hong Kong • Geography of Hong Kong

To Destub: Stub pages listed on popular pages • Five Constituencies Referendum

To Deorphan:

To Create: Clean up old article requests starting with the ones requested before August 2007.

Wanted Pics/Graphics: Hong Kong returnee

To Assess: Assign importance to all articles found in Category:Unknown-importance Hong Kong articles per new importance scale.

This WikiProject's subject is featured in the Outline of Hong Kong, which is incomplete and needs further development. That page, along with the other outlines on Wikipedia, comprise Wikipedia's Outline of knowledge, which also serves as the table of contents or site map of Wikipedia.

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[edit] Christian Zheng Sheng College

I have self-nominated the article of Christian Zheng Sheng College at Did You Know. Feel free to comment at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_June_21. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raphaelmak (talk • contribs) 2009-06-21T18:44:42

[edit] Hong Kong action cinema

Hello crew! The Hong Kong action cinema article related to this project has been nominated for Feartured Article removal. If you have comments regarding the FA review, discuss it on the review page. Cheers! Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Wow that article has a lot of unreferenced info. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Woah, I couldn't agree more, it defintely needs more WP:V. I compared the current version with the promoted version 3 years ago. Nothing seems to be changed except for the need citation tags. It makes me wonder how the old version got promoted in the first place. (Maybe the requirements were less strict back then?) Tavatar (talk) 04:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hong Kong people's naming convention

Since there had been a naming dispute sparked recently in here. This was the first attempt to discuss and get some consensus on this ongoing naming issue rather than just heading straight into edit wars without saying anything.

I would like to get everyone's opinion and interpretation on WP:NC-ZH#General principle. The way I read it is that if someone has an English name, use this format -> English-first-name Chinese-last-name <-.... If not, use the standard -> Chinese-last-name Chinese-first-name <- format. Tavatar (talk) 13:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

If someone has a particular English name that is most commonly used in English media, use that, regardless of format - i.e. "Confucius". Otherwise, romanise the person's Chinese name with the surname appearing first, which in some cases may actually be the most common way a person's name appears in English media. I'm not going to participate in a Patrick Tse naming discussion, but what needs to be established is, what is more common, "Patrick Tse" or "Patrick Tse Yin"? Or something else even? In other words, it's not really about what is the "correct" format. It's about what is the most commonly used. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it here. I thought the convention/consensus was sufficiently clear, and I didn't want it to become a dispute. And it's not, AFAICT. I also reverted a premature close of the discussion. It hasn't had the full 15 days' discussion, let alone 30. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 03:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I remember starting a similar discussion a few years ago and it ended in the middle of nowhere. I hope we can go a bit further this time. It looks like WP:NC-ZH does not clearly cover the case of Patrick Tse, and it would be very nice to find a consensus that could be added to the naming conventions. I also believe that Hong Kong names can be considered as a separate entity and that a specific convention can be used for these names. The logic being: common use of Cantonese romanisation in names and frequent existence of an English first name. This combination is HK-specific. Overseas Chinese communities may or may not have a Cantonese romanised name, which creates a separate case. olivier (talk) 09:24, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's the discussion I found in the WP:NC-ZH's talk page archives, WT:Naming conventions (Chinese)/Names#Hong Kong people's name. This happened four years ago without much consensus. I'm in favor of renewing the talk in the main WT:NC-CHINA page to get some baselines written out on the main WP:NC-ZH page, which will avoid any future confusions. Tavatar (talk) 04:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep in mind that, like I said, we should be using what is the most common naming in our sources, if that can be determined. WP:COMMONNAME is a policy, while WP:Naming conventions (Chinese) is only a guideline, which means it is only advisory. That means using the common name should override what's in WP:Naming conventions (Chinese), even if it breaks some pattern that was agreed to over there. (See Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines for the difference between the strength of a policy and a guideline) Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. olivier (talk) 15:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep in mind that while NC(China) is for China, Hong Kong is officially an English speaking locality and thus qualifies under WP:ENGVAR for local English usage. China does not, since it's not an English speaking locality. 65.94.252.195 (talk) 05:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we should draft a set a guidelines just for editing purpose on biographies related to Hong Kong? It will be based off the consensus from the members of this project. Tavatar (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Raymon Harry Anning

Greetings!

I am recently reading and improving articles regarding the Commissioners of Police. I would like to raise your attention to Tang King Shing and Lee Ming-Kwai and see if they can be model pages for articles like Li Kwan Ha, Hui Ki On and Tsang Yam Pui.

Also, I would like to inform you that I will start writing Raymon Anning (顏理國), the last British Commissioner of the RHKP and the predecessor of Li Kwan Ha. I will invite you to peer review soon. Nxn 0405 chl 17:34, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Lee Ming-Kwai definitely needs a lot more sources. Plus, I think generally biographical articles do not title sections as "Biography", because technically the entire article is a biography. But I don't think there's a policy against it. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I am working on Raymon Anning now and I have a problem on copyright. Please help think of the fair-use rationale of this photo of Ray Anning. It is from Offbeat, the magazine of HKP. Thank you! Nxn 0405 chl 11:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I worked on Tang King Shing a little bit awhile ago when I tried to fix everyone on the precedence list. I can help out with fixing the s-box in the pages mentioned. I found that the Chinese version of Wikipedia has a lot more information that could be translated over to the English side, but the main problem seems to be citing the information and finding reliable sources. Tavatar (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cantonese

Cantonese is up for renaming again. This time, the request is to move Canton dialect to Cantonese and move the dab page that is sitting there now to Cantonese (disambiguation). (A few months ago, the issue was the unrequested move of Cantonese to Yue, which now sits at Cantonese (Yue)... so this move would replace one kind of Cantonese (moved away earlier this year) with another kind of Cantonese (the current request), both linguistically based, and not the same concept).

The discussion is occurring at Talk:Canton dialect

76.66.197.2 (talk) 06:17, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

This is obviously an issue of some interest to many involved in Hong Kong issues. The question is, why hasn't user 76.66.197.2 been contributing to the extensive debate at that talk page? Posting "alerts" on this page are fine, but not if the purpose is to sit back until the discussion is virtually over and then go in and disrupt the final vote. Editors, even anonymous editors, should be expected to contribute a bit more to the formation of Wikipedia articles than sudden opposing votes. Bathrobe (talk) 10:20, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I have been contributing, to Cantonese (Yue), which is what the title Cantonese used to contain. I paritcipated in various debates, the recent RfC, several of the renaming debates over SEVERAL YEARS on the issue. You should remember that most IP users have rotating IP addresses. 76.66.197.2 (talk) 04:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

So you have contributed in the past and are using rotating IP addresses. Your most recent comment at Canton dialect indicates that you have come in without reading recent discussions. Perhaps you should consider getting a handle. Discussion is a reciprocal process and becomes rather difficult if one participant is a shifting shape.Bathrobe (talk) 05:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought this issue got resolved when we renamed Yue Chinese to Cantonese (Yue)... Tavatar (talk) 22:16, 23 November 2009 (UTC)