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Contents 1 Article alerts 2 What's missing from Outline of history? 3 Poll on Ireland article names 4 Call for editors to join African history Wikiproject 5 Spanish Empire & Discovery of America 6 History sections of math articles 7 Date discussion impacting historical dates 8 Persian Empire 9 Request for peer review 10 Sourcing policies 11 Aboriginal peoples history C/E Assistance requested please 12 Sourcing 13 Popular pages 14 Membership list 15 Origin of the word cavalier 16 Pageview stats 17 Social equality

[edit] Article alerts

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Thanks. — Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 09:14, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What's missing from Outline of history?

Also, here's a relevant discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

The Transhumanist    00:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Poll on Ireland article names

A poll has been set up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration/Poll on Ireland article names. This is a formal vote regarding the naming of the Ireland and Republic of Ireland and possibly the Ireland (disambiguation) pages. The result of this poll will be binding on the affected article names for a period of two years. This poll arose from the Ireland article names case at the Arbitration Committee and the Ireland Collaboration Project. The order that the choices appear in the list has been generated randomly. Voting will end at 21:00 (UTC) of the evening of 13 September 2009 (that is 22:00 IST and BST).

[edit] Call for editors to join African history Wikiproject

Any editors with a specific interest in African history are welcome to check out a new project proposal: African history. This is not meant as a substitute for the Africa Wikiproject. Instead it would rank 'Africa' as a parent project. But it would concentrate on history. Click here for more details: African history. Ackees (talk) 15:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Empire & Discovery of America

I found that many if not most of history sections in articles about Central and South America locations use "European Discovery", "European Settlement" and "First Europeans". I believe that should be changed to Spanish in most cases and some other nationalities in others. Is there a reason why that should not be the case? Thanks for guidance. -->))))º>^(talk) 16:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] History sections of math articles

This thread on uses of primary source in the history sections of Math articles (at WP:WPM, of course) may benefit from input from participants in this WikiProject, especially from someone that may have a background/interest in the history of Science/Math/Logic. Pcap ping 13:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Date discussion impacting historical dates

There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) concerning whether or not dates in the format YYYY-MM-DD should be accepted in Wikipedia articles, and if they are, whether they should be considered to be ISO 8601 dates. ISO 8601 dates are always Gregorian dates, and agreement must be formed among those exchanging information if years before 1583 are to be used. Perhaps members of this project will know if such dates are ever used in historical publications, and if so, are all old dates converted to the Gregorian calendar? Please comment at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). --Jc3s5h (talk) 19:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Persian Empire

Please note that there is an editwar occuring at Persian Empire, with content shifting from being a 60k article, a redirect, or a disambiguation page. Previous to the 2 month long edit war, the article was a 60k article. As this article appears to be within the scope of your wikiproject, I thought I'd let you know.

76.66.197.30 (talk) 00:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for peer review

Hi, I'm thinking of submitting 1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramla as a featured-article candidate. Before I do, I'm looking for good editors with backgrounds in history who'd be willing to review the article to judge whether there are factual errors, glaring omissions of key facts, points of view, or sources, and whether, overall, it is a fair summary of events. Any help with that would be much appreciated. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 07:46, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing policies

I'd like to draw your attention to the conflict between the B-class sourcing criteria which points to Wikipedia:MILMOS#SOURCES and the contents of the essay at Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples. I am intending to revise the Reliable source example essay to point directly at Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples and then to deal with lesser sources (tertiary sources, non historian produced secondaries of academic and non-academic quality in press, non press sources, primary sources). Fifelfoo (talk) 12:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Aboriginal peoples history C/E Assistance requested please

The high importance article Aboriginal peoples in Canada needs some grammar and copy editing assistance to pass GA. Would like to enjoin collaboration on how can the article be improved to meet the points brought forward? Thank you.SriMesh | talk 22:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

Can some people here please look at the sourcing in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mandell Creighton/archive1 on the British Historian Mandell Creighton. I have some concerns. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Popular pages

I have requested a list of popular pages for this project at [1]. --Ysangkok (talk) 15:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Membership list

Anyone have any complaints if I drop people with red-links (especially contribs); and maybe re-organize the list? -- Mjquinn_id (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the word cavalier

"Cavalier derives from the Spanish word caballeros" (strike)

"Shakespeare used the word cavaleros to describe an overbearing swashbuckler or swaggering gallant in Henry IV, Part 2, in which Shallow says "I'll drink to Master Bardolph, and to all the cavaleros about London." (strike)

"Cavalier derives from the French word chevalier, itself originating in the Vulgar Latin word caballarius, meaning horseman." (add)

The majority of English words relating to law and war are loan words from French. This was imposed on the English after they were conquered in 1066. For many centuries the language of the court was French. (just a comment)

Jeremiahta (talk) 04:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)jeremiahta 11/26/2009Jeremiahta (talk) 04:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

You make it sound like they were colonized by France, like as if England was Vietnam. England after 1066 was ruled by Normans, not by "the French". French was the court language because it was seen as the most refined, cultured language of the time. Russia would adopt French as the language of the court as well for a time in the 17th-18th centuries. I don't think anything was "imposed on the English" in the sense of an imperial power imposing things upon its colonies - the language evolved naturally, as languages do, as the result of Norman influence. LordAmeth (talk) 19:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject History to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 00:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Social equality

The current article at Affirmative Action is fully about social equality with various phrases such as "positive action" redirecting there. I have suggested moving to and merging with Social equality and both are part of this project. It shouldn't require much change to either articles basis so I could do it but please go ahead and chime in at it on Talk:Affirmative_action#Social_equality or Talk:Social_equality#Affirmative_Action ~ R.T.G 08:57, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Both articles are rather pathetically US centric in ideological, theoretical, academic and disciplinary aspects. Neither represents a valid review of relevant literatures, and neither is written in appropriate encyclopedic or summary style. "Social equality"'s explicit exclusion of the socialist movement is somewhere between laughable and pathetic. Fifelfoo (talk) 10:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I think that discussion is going to go on Talk:Social_equality#Affirmative_Action. There is already a dispute so if anyone thinks that it is or isn't social equality please chime in there. ~ R.T.G 22:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)