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Archives from August 2008 - Current

Featured pictures

Some good news here with an apology for not having dropped by sooner. Your project page lists only three featured pictures. Actually there are several more that relate to your project. Below is a gallery of image restorations I've done in the past few months that relate to your project. Best wishes, and there may be more soon. Durova^Charge! 20:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Bernhardt as Hamlet	Napoleon's exile to Elba	D-Day	Montgolfier Brothers' first balloon flight
Front page of Emile Zola's famous letter	Jean-Paul Marat's acquittal	Sophie Blanchard	Hélène Dutrieu

For that matter, there's several high-quality engravings of the Franco-Prussian war that are featured =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Featured sounds

I've been a bit helpful and updated your list. We have a number of French Featured Sounds now. We could use more, though: Feel free to nominate some! Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Which date format to use?

There is an ongoing debate at the talk page for WP:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) as to whether to use day-month-year or month-day-year date format in articles with a strong tie to a specific country. The debate has reached the point where the choice is between the format actually used in the country, or dependent on the variety of English used in articles about that country. This is straightforward for countries such as the U.S.A. or the U.K., but problematic when considering countries where English is not an official language. With the removal of date autoformatting, editors will increasingly see dates presented in "raw" form, rather than as set in user preferences. The current proposal is found here. --Pete (talk) 10:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Bizarre calendar articles

Please help Someone should take a look at French Republican Calendar/Yx and the articles linked to it from the template at the bottom. They include some really bizarre trilingual content. If you need me, please post on my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

If you mean the month (e.g. Vendémiaire) and day (e.g. Primidi) names, these are what they were called - because this calendar was such a bizarre and short-lived thing, they are intrinsically just-about-untranslateable. However I agree this could be better presented on the page itself. Mcewan (talk) 21:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

It's complicated. I have never been able to truly get my head wrapped around the concept of non-Gregorian calenders. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

If you whant an exemple of use ofg this calendar you can look here :

9 brumaire an III = 30 octobre 1794

Some french people always use it for fun is their mail/news reader. Yves-Laurent (talk) 07:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Note

I left a short note here - it may be that few people are watching it. Ben MacDui 08:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Stubs needed: Canals of Paris

We have an okay stub on Canal Saint-Martin, but we still need Canal Saint-Denis, Canal de l'Ourcq, and Bassin de la Villette (and possibly others - I don't know.) (Please add any others needed below.)
fr.wikipedia has good articles on these that we can translate, and nice Wikimedia Commons photos that we can use - might take only a half-hour or an hour of work to give us here at en.wikipedia good articles on these.
Thanks -- 201.17.36.246 (talk) 23:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I might be able to take a look at this, after I finish off Communes of Pas-de-Calais in the next couple of days. If anyone else wants to beat me to it - that'd be fine ! Dickie (talk) 07:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm gonna bite. Canal Saint-Denis should be blue in a moment. Anyone want to proofread when these are done? Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I also recommend we work on translating Navette fluviale sur la Seine. Looks like a good article. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Nice work! I'll have a go at proof-reading now Mcewan (talk) 21:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. Hope that's OK Mcewan (talk) 21:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, is "deviation" correct for canal de déviation? I wasn't sure how to translate it. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Mmmm. Déviation on a road sign is a "detour", but that's not quite right for a canal. "Divert" might be useful somewhere. I'll keep thinking. Mcewan (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, what is a "gare de l'eau"? Is it pumping station? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Not certain. but much more likely to be a "port", or "berth" (i.e. the canal equivalent of a railway "gare") Mcewan (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

See what you think opf the current version's rendering Mcewan (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Copy editing looks good. I'm starting on Canal de l'Ourcq, but it's a fairly long article and will probably take me awhile. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I've started translation of the Ourcq article in my Sandbox, feel free to add to it! Lazulilasher (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK? By the way, I think all of these articles would be good candidates for DYK. We just need to finish the translation, look at sources, cite, and write hooks. Here are two good sources I got on Google Books: [1] and [2]. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad I brought this up! Looks like there is "stuff" here to work on. :-) Thanks to all working on this! -- 201.17.36.246 (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

- "Canal de déviation" is a "shortcut"?? (Guessing based on some descriptions I've read.)

- Re "gare de l'eau": In castles that have a door opening directly onto a moat or river, this is sometimes called in English a "water gate". I've no idea whether this is relevant. (E.g., Newport Castle says that this castle has a "water-gate or dock".) -- 201.17.36.246 (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

A Gare d'eau is certainly where barges would tie up to be loaded/unloaded, but Gare de l'eau - not sure. Dickie (talk) 09:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Storming of the bastille

Could someone check the translation of the captions at Image:Storming the bastille 4.jpg? Narayanese (talk) 02:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi - here's my tupp'orth:

Caption one, first sentence : The citizens of Paris led by the Gardes Françaises on 14 July 1789 - (led is simpler than having at their head (IMO)) (The rest is OK (ish))

Caption two should be in the present tense: This is how we punish traitors

Cheers Dickie (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will copy your translation. I'm quite sure prise doesn't mean prison, so I'll change it to storming (revert me if I'm wrong). Narayanese (talk) 19:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

prise means literally "to take", but as a noun it can mean "storming", as in la prise de la Bastille, thus your use of "storming" is correct. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Project Redesign Discussion

It appears that we're starting to pick up some incrased collaboration here (see above regarding canals). In that spirit, I'd like to begin a discussion regarding the redesign of the project, in order to further increase such colloboration. I have redesigned the project page (see draft on my userspace), and would like to implement a review department similar to Military History and Chicago, in order that articles can get increased momentum and knowledgeable input through the review processes. I believe this would help us create the most informative and accurate encyclopedia on French topics. Also, I was wondering how everyone felt about trying to create a "Collaboration Department", where we nominate articles on a roughly bi-weekly schedule. These articles would then be focused on by the community. Any other ideas? Lazulilasher (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I like the redesign - nice work. One thing that I find slightly confusing (in the old design as well) is the relationship of infobox-type insert on the right of the page to the page itself. While it's technically very clever, I would prefer just to see the contained information in the text of the pag (or as links). This might just be my inexperience, however.

Review department seems like a good idea.

Collaboration Department - possibly, but I personally tend to wander off on all sorts of tangents, so would not necessarily be able to contribute every time. Cheers Mcewan (talk) 12:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Considering the Collaboration department, how about just having a sub-header discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter with the next target article appearing in the newsletter? It would probably also be a good way to insure that the newsletter stays alive.
• New project page: How about making the intro stand out a bit more? I'm not to sure how exactly though.
• I also removed a few external links... Good luck, ChrisDHDR 14:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I remove the WP:France-related topics notice board link as that page is marked as superseded (although there are a lot of links to it). Should I update them? Mcewan (talk) 15:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for replying everyone! Chris, thanks for removing the links. I agree re: the subheader in the newsletter, good idea. I'll make the intro stand out more. McEwan, I agree about the navigation box. I've been thinking about updating it a bit. I think it should definitely be shorter--the navigation template hasn't been updated since March. Hmm...maybe it could be removed, but I think it's userful to have a navigation template. Would you like it more at the top/bottom of the page? Lazulilasher (talk) 17:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

At the top I think (but I may well not be representative). And preferably in everyproject page. When I click a link in it and it disappears, it loses my trust, as it were, as a navigation aid. Mcewan (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Other Idea: the members page Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Members is a bit of a mess. There are 3 separate sections (Active, Inactive and a table) that all contradict one another. The table is probably the best representation, but it appears at the bottom. It's also a shame that new users have to do quite a tricky edit to get into the table. Yet another view of members (generated from user page categories I presume) can be had at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiProject_France_members and of course this is a different set from the other page. This all conspires to leave a not-very-favourable impression on a new member. I'd be willing to help with sorting this out, but don't quite know where to start Mcewan (talk) 18:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

McEwan, go ahead and do what you're able to the members page. I've looked at it as well, and am perplexed as to why there are 3 different categories. Agreed--it leaves a disorganized impression to a new member. Ok, I'm still in the process of updating the new project page draft, check it out here. I'm going to add tabs to the top, then I think we can finally get rid of the sidebar...Lazulilasher (talk) 19:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I really like the way this is going now. Has a very clean, modern look. Mcewan (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Redesign Draft

Ok, I have a draft pretty well set-up in my userspace. I've used a tab design (to eliminate the sidebar that people seemed not to like), as well as transcluded pages (making editing the actual pages easier). I think this provides a much cleaner and easier design. Let me know if you like it, and I will begin to import. Notes: to edit the sections, just click on the small "edit" in the top right. Note also: Not all of the tabs/links are going to work properly until the draft is imported into the projectspace. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Looking very good indeed. Would a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?namespace=&target=Template%3AWikiProject+France&showlinkedto=1&title=Special%3ARecentChangesLinked (sorry couldn't construct a proper wikilink) be useful somewhere? There's some stuff in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Technical_notes that I don't quite understand yet. Also (minor) the userboxes appear below the awards text. Great work, again. Mcewan (talk) 20:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Ya, it would. I'm going to add that and an "Open Tasks" to the announcements section. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I haven't had a chance to look at everything yet, but at first glance the new design looks nice. As stated above, WP:France-related topics notice board and Wikipedia:French Collaboration Project are both long dead. so make sure there are no more active links to them. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 23:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Ya, sadly they are. What do you think about France tasks? It's not really been actively updated often. Lazulilasher (talk) 23:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

There should be place to go to find requests like that - useful for a newcomer like me looking for basic tasks. I used that list to start working on Antoine de la Sale, for instance. However lists generated from page tags would be preferable. Is it possible to generate a list of intersections of tags? Mcewan (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a bot currently in development which will be able to automatically generate such lists--however, it's not currently operable. In the interim, I'll add the open tasks template into the new design. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&target=Category%3ATranslation_sub-pages%2Ffr&hideminor=0&days=30&limit=500 Mcewan (talk) 23:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the best translation request list is this one. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I added the France tasks template back on....Mcewan, since you're observing the feeds, would you mind updating the template from time to time? It doesn't seem to done to often. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I will certainly have a go. There seems to be some overlap between the above translation lists anyway. And also with our requests for articles (which are often translations) Mcewan (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ya, there is. We really need someone with a good eye (hint hint) to update lists to keep them accurate. The current task template hasn't changed in a long while. I remember when I was a newbie, I used it for a work-list, also. It could be much more valuable if it were updated by someone who keeps an eye on the feed, and add/removes articles often. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Heh, hint taken. I'll do what I can. Mcewan (talk) 00:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Right now, I'm taking articles from the Top Importance France category and adding them to the template....seems like a good enough place to start :) Lazulilasher (talk) 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

(undent) one thing that other projects do is a "Tag & Assess Drive" where a few weeks are spent by the project members combing through the articles to assess and tag them, in order that collaboration become more organized. I would consider perhaps doing that after we get the redesign up.

Everyone seems generally OK with the new design, so barring any notifications, I think I am going to import the new design tomorrow AM. Lazulilasher (talk) 01:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Style for arrondissements

I see in the new stub Canal Saint-Denis that 19th arrondissement is in redlink as of today, however we do have an article at XIXe arrondissement.
So, IMHO we need to:
(1) Make sure that we are using a standard format for the titles of all the articles on arrondissements (Arab numerals or Roman numerals)

I'm seeing the style 4th arrondissement of Paris for at least some of these.

(2) (Probably) include in WikiProject France's info a recommendation for which format shall be preferred on Wikipedia.
(3) Make sure that there are redirects from one format to the other for all titles of articles on arrondissements . (Newbies? Want to help out but don't feel confident of tackling anything complicated yet? Your chance. :-) )
(Cf. Arrondissements, Arrondissements of France, Municipal arrondissement, Municipal arrondissements of France, Arrondissements of Paris, and others.)
Thanks, all. -- 201.17.36.246 (talk) 14:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (France & French-related) ChrisDHDR 14:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

As a side note, I've noticed this before. For whatever reason, it's nearly impossible to get the arrondissements link right....Lazulilasher (talk) 20:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It seems that the 4th arrondissement of Paris article was moved by one unfamiliar with Roman numerals - but the author of this action didn't seem to dare port his changes to all similar articles. One method or the other would do - but I suggest that a 'secondary' method - Roman or Numerical - redirect to the dominant other. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 05:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Some are redirected, others are not (I think). Lazulilasher (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Monaco

While we're in re-design mode, I see that there's a WikiProject for Monaco. Should we remove Monaco from our remit? I don't have strong feelings either way. Mcewan (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I didn't know there was a WikiProject Monaco. I would suggest that, yes, we do. However, we should ask over there what they think, also. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be a child of a European Microstates project. I'll let you do the talking :) Mcewan (talk) 20:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the Monaco WP is mainly inactive. I move we keep things as they are, for the time being. Until that project starts to get off the ground, at least. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Redesign

There seemed to be support for the redesign in the above conversation, so I have imported the design from my userspace to the Project. As it is new, please note any errors or mistakes. Perhaps we can now start working on the Newsletter? Lazulilasher (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

From the looks of the project's page, I take it that there are some fans of WikiProject Physics here? Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 07:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, and some WP:MILHIST, also. :) Lazulilasher (talk) 12:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for France

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7. We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations. A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible. We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

{{tl:France tasks}} was updated with the articles on the above list. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The Bald Eagle is secretly French

As evidenced by the Talk:Bald Eagle page category list. This article is in the Wikipedia 0.7 selection. I think it's caused by it being in the St Pierre and Miquelon articles category. That category has the following ancestors:

So I can see the logic, but it's a bizarre result. There are quite a few others too, many with an ornithological flavour - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon_articles I have absolutely no idea what to do about this, so I thought I would just point it out. Mcewan (talk) 15:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of curiosities in the WPFrance template tagging (go through the Category:B-Class France articles or Category:Start-Class France articles to see many). Should German language really be included in WikiProject France? Should Aga Khan IV? There are many like this where the tagging has a certain logic, and yet....- NYArtsnWords (talk) 16:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm still trying to figure this out, but I think there two separate problems -

• German language and Aga Khan IV are directly tagged, and the correctness or otherwise of that tagging can be discussed and the articles changed if necessary. So, while it might turn out to be contentious, fixing it is easy.
• The Bald Eagle, on the other hand, inherits his Frenchness by occasionally visiting St Pierre and Miquelon, via the category hierarchy. This inheritance is generally a good thing, otherwise WP:WikiProject French communes etc would drop out of the parent category, but with obviously daft unintended consequences. Fixing this is much harder because if the eagle's Caribbean trips are an ornithologically verifiable fact, then he certainly belongs in Category:Saint Pierre and Miquelon articles, and that category certainly belongs in Category:WikiProject France. It's as if we need some way of marking the the category tag on a given page as non-transitive.

Forgive me if this all well-known and obvious, I'm still finding my way around. I suppose my concern is that if, for example, Bald Eagle ends up in a list of French articles in a DVD, it will just be ammunition for detractors. It's not so bad on a Talk page. On the upside, it's a GA :) Mcewan (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup listing

We now have a bot-reported list of related articles needing cleanup of some sort. The list is cross-referenced with importance and class parameters. Additionally, there is a list compiling the total number of tags on a particular article. Lazulilasher (talk) 18:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Michel Foucault FAR

Michel Foucault has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Thanks! Lesgles (talk) 20:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Should there be a Paris WikiProject?

I am surprised to learn that, of the European cities, Paris does not have a WikiProject. Is anyone interested in starting, at the minimum, a Paris task force? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

There is an (inactive) Paris streets task force so how about making that into a more general Paris task force? ChrisDHDR 18:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, DHDR :) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea, also--hand over the Streets taskforce into a more general Parisian task force. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

When the Parisian task force is ready I'll mark lots of articles as part of the task force. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, let's start taking a look at what needs to be done to begin implementation--what do you think? Will we need to modify the WP:France template with a "Parisian task force" tag? I think this would be a great thing to start organizing the Parisian portion of the project. Lazulilasher (talk) 23:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we need a Paris task force tag - We have that with Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan, which has a Tokyo task force. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in response. Hmm...the template is fully protected, and I'm not sure what syntax we would use. Do you have any ideas? Lazulilasher (talk) 19:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not that good at editing templates, but I am an admin, so I can edit the template. On WikiProject Japan we have tf=Tokyo as our syntax. Does WikiProject France have a tf tag? Maybe tf=Paris? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

From what I can tell, the template uses a parser function to call the bit about the task force is tf=yes or whatever. I'm not a template expert, but I think it can be done. How about I put one together in my userspace and then you can take a look at it? It'd be great to get the taskforces going here. Lazulilasher (talk) 05:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing! :) WhisperToMe (talk) 01:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I cant believe there isn't already a Paris WikiProject. I'll help out with whatever I can. Just contact me. Jordan ^Contribs 10:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC) Ok, I made a copy of our project banner in my userspace (see here: draft). I added a new parameter, modelled after WikiProject Japan's system (thank you WhisperToMe). The syntax for this new parameter will be: tf=Paris, added in the same manner as Japan's. Here is the code if anyone's interested:

And here is what the template looks like if the tf=Paris parameter is added: User:Lazulilasher/WPFranceTemp

Let me know if there is anything else to be added. I also like how WP:Tokyo allows their tasklist to be transcluded onto the template. Maybe something to think about? Lazulilasher (talk) 16:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

• So far that's great! - Maybe one more picture to add could be a Paris-related picture. I'll go add the TF Paris to a bunch of articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
• You need to edit the actual template first :) I can't do it, as it's a fully protected template. Oh, and we should create the task force, first....Lazulilasher (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, here is another version, at User:Lazulilasher/WPFranceTemp2 that uses a Commons icon. Please note, this version uses another code for the template. The code for this is:

Please note, the main difference is that this format requires that each time we create a new taskforce, we add a bit of code which adds a new taskforce to parameter "tf". So, if we create taskforce Marseilles then we would add a similar line of code, but for Marseilles. The first draft allows any argument to be given for "tf" and creates a wikilink to whatever that argument is (which means it could be redlinked). I like the 2nd version better. Anyway, here it is: User:Lazulilasher/WPFranceTemp2

Lazulilasher (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

• The picture looks good! I think this is ready to be added to the code. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Go for it, remember to take out the "THIS IS A DRAFT IN LAZULI...." part :) Lazulilasher (talk) 17:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Adolphe Thiers, AWB "Thiers" -> "Theirs"

• I left a note on Talk:Adolphe Thiers about the need for a {{lang}} template on Thiers' name, whenever not part of a link... else someone will change his name to "Theirs"... Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 04:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Doing.....Done....(I believe) Lazulilasher (talk) 20:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Agathe de Rambaud

I'm a little out of my depth on this one, but I attempted a rewrite of an informative but poorly written article on Louis XVII's royal nurse. Unfortunately, I have little background when it comes to the French Revolution as my interests lie in WWII, so aside from tightening up the language and rearranging some pictures there was little I could do to improve the article. I added your WikiProject banner to the talk page sans assessment, but would appreciate some more eyes and hands on the article as the references aren't always clear and the bibliography is confusing as well. She seems to be an important figure in pre-French Revolution court life, and noted as well for her connection to Louis XVII impersonator Karl Wilhelm Naundorff. Thanks. AniMate 23:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Paris Task Force

Per the discussion above, WikiProject France has initiated the Paris Taskforce. The Project banner has been updated allowing articles to be tagged as part of the taskforce. To tag an article as such, add this parameter: |tf=Paris. Here is an example:

WikiProject France / Paris	(Rated Project-Class, Mid-importance)	FranceWikipedia:WikiProject FranceTemplate:WikiProject FranceFrance articles
France portal v • d • e This page is within the scope of WikiProject France, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of France on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.  Project  This page does not require a rating on the project's quality scale.  Mid  This page has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This page is supported by the Paris task force.

Please help us prepare the new taskforce by tagging articles, proposing collaboration ideas, and updating the Taskforce Page. Kindest regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 18:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Girondist: Clear definition needed in lead

Girondist does not (though IMHO should) clearly state in the lead just what ideas or positions characterized this group. Anybody?
(Obviously, please add info to that article - don't just discuss here.) -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...you're correct, it could use a little patching up. I am not particularly knowledgeable, I'll look and see if I can find someone who is, however. If you happen to be that person, feel free to update (hint, hint :) I'll also place the article on our list of "to-do"s to see if that garners any assistance from editors. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

A note to everyone about commune pages

WikiProject France tags should not be replaced with WP:FRCOM tags, as they are two separate projects and both tags should be on all commune pages. Just letting everyone know this.   jj137 (talk) 23:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I've actually wondered that -- I don't think I removed any tags, but this question definitely crossed my mind. Lazulilasher (talk) 02:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, mine too- I had to go through it to make sure I was right about it, as it was one of those times where I just stopped and thought, "Wait... what?" I'm trying to go back and add the WP:FR tags to as many pages as I can whenever I find the time, but there are so many communes it's just insane. :P   jj137 (talk) 03:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't there, at one point, a discussion about merging the projects? We could make communes a taskforce under WP France. That would eliminate the confusion. It would not, however, eliminate the need to update tags. I'm not saying I'm for/against the notion; but, it would be logical. Lazulilasher (talk) 13:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the idea. At WP:MLB a bunch of the team projects were (sort of) "merged" into the main baseball project, so we could do something like that. I don't see why the projects couldn't be merged though.   jj137 (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I'd be up for it. Do you know any automated way in which we could update the tags? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Sort of. If you see this page, there's some syntax there we could use to add the French communes template to the WP:FR template, but the complexity of that template is beyond me. I'll ask Borgarde (who did it) if he can give us a bit of help here.   jj137 (talk) 00:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I can add the template syntax (look just above in the "Should we have a Paris taskforce" section); we just did it...but, I am wondering if there's an automated bot of some sort which could change all of the commune tags to a new taskforce tag? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe an AWB run? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, it's not hard to implement a change at all. It's up to you what to do with the projects (whether keep them separate or have two different projects), but a moving the communes into the french banner is easy enough. I'll take a look at it and get back to you shortly.. —Borgarde^talk 05:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

To note the question about removing the template as well, I'm sure a bot could do it easy enough to transfer the template to a parameter on the France banner. —Borgarde^talk 05:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Perfect...now I've got one more question, now that you're here. If you notice on the template: we just added the Paris taskforce. Is there a way to have the tagged page automatically sorted into a "Paris Taskforce" category? I couldn't figure it. Thanks! Lazulilasher (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I updated the template to now include communes; just add |commune=yes to the end of the WP:FR template to add the commune parameter. If anyone objects or thinks I shouldn't have done this, just say so (or revert me).   jj137 (talk) 20:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a go. We sent a newsletter out asking for comments and it's still only you & I here: and we agree. So, are the projects merged? Should we move the Commune Project into a task force page? I like this; I feel that the project is starting to coalesce. Thanks for the template work. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, no problem, I basically just copied the part for the Paris task force and rewrote it. The actual projects merging may be more of a difficult task, simply because it seems the WP:FRCOM project is relatively large. I do like the idea of the projects merging, though, and if at least a couple more people commented on that, it wouldn't take too long to merge WP:FRCOM to the main France WikiProject. The good thing is, WP:FRCOM is almost entirely communes, so it could be simply a task force/subproject. I guess I just don't like the idea of merging something of that size when only two people have even commented.   jj137 (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't either. I've not been to FRCOM. Is it active? Perhaps we should begin the process. If there is activity on that project, perhaps it could bring new blood here, too. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It's sort of active; it was very active when the pages were being created, but not nearly as much since that task was completed. It probably would bring some new blood here if we could get people active on it again, as I'm not really sure why people almost just stopped working on it completely.   jj137 (talk) 21:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

This user is certainly active! For the past year or so, I've been beavering away turning one-liner commune entries into a pagefull of info, mostly from the fr:wiki equivalent. (e.g.Oherville) I really don't mind under which project banner they reside. NB I believe WP:FRCOM also includes cantons, arrondissements, and communautés de communes. Dickie (talk) 08:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Great to see you, Dickie :) I like the idea of one project with divisions because it flows logically and provides one community discussion board. I think it may help to keep active contributors active and involved in discussion. Just an idea. Lazulilasher (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Aah, OK, sorry about that Dickie. :) I guess I really wasn't paying enough attention there. Also, I agree with you, Lazulilasher- it keeps discussion easier, and no other country's communes have separate projects, they are just a part of the main project.   jj137 (talk) 17:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Wow, I didn't know there was a FRCOM and FRDepartment project (thought there was only one). Would both of these be brought under the larger WP:FRANCE framework? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

It's probably academic. Wikipedia:WikiProject French départements has, I believe, finished its work. Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes, however, still has a lot of communes to bring on over to the English wiki. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 00:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Heh, where are they? I thought WP:FRCOM finished bringing over all of the communes, but I figured they might have missed a couple here and there (nobody's perfect :)).   jj137 (talk) 01:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. You're right to a point. There are indeed no more red links (that I can find) for French communes. But WP:Communes was also to transfer the Template:French commune infobox on all those pages (see WP page for how-to), and most of the Fr. communes lack the infobox.- NYArtsnWords (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean now. Yes, a lot of those pages still do not have the infobox, and about 99% of them are still very basic stubs. The bad thing is, some (key word there) of the people that worked on creating them stopped working on them after they finished creating all of them.   jj137 (talk) 03:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The WP French communes is still active and all French commune articles have been created. Admittedly, the Project page is not updated, but see Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes/Status for more details. You can also have a look at the history of this page to get a sense of the progress of the project. I don't mind if the French commune project is somewhat included into the main France project, but I would very much appreciate if I still could have statistics like these ones: Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/French communes articles by quality statistics. Replacing the Wikiproject communes tag by a generic Wikiproject France tag seems to lead to a loss of information. Could we just keep both WikiProject France tags and WP:FRCOM tags instead of turning all tags into WikiProject France tags? Note also that the French Wikipedia has a separate Communes project [3]. olivier (talk) 04:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

That is a good point; I didn't think of that. Should we switch it back? I am not the most knowledgeable person. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there is a way to keep the WP:FRCOM tag on the WP:FR one without losing the WP:FRCOM data in the table you linked to. As a similar example, the WP:MLB template was recently updated to include WP:SOX, and while many talk page tags were updated for that, it seems nothing was changed on the WP:SOX table. I'm not the best person when it comes to wikisyntax, so I don't know exactly how to fix it, although I'm pretty sure there is a way. Overall, I really have no preference when it comes to whether or not the WP:FRCOM tag is separate, although if we can figure out a way to not lose those statistics for WP:FRCOM, I think it would be easier/better to keep them as one tag. I'll stop changing these talk pages until we can get some sort of (better) consensus on this.   jj137 (talk) 17:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks! It looks like the current WikiProject France tags are leading to a loss of data for the communes Project. Unfortunately, I do not know how to fix that either. So, since we agree, let's have both tags until the WikiProject France tags can do the job properly. olivier (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. I'll go back later today and re-add the WP:FRCOM tags to all of the pages I removed them from. Do you think it would be a good idea to remove the |commune=yes parameter from the WP:FR tags, or should I just leave them for now?   jj137 (talk) 17:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait...I'm confused (not the first time). Is the WP:France banner tag causing the problem; or is the removal of the communes tag? And to clarify: we need the WP:France banner to automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project? Sorry if I've been absent the past few days, I've been working on Marquis de Lafayette and French Revolution. Cdt, Lazulilasher (talk) 17:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Jj137: I think it would be better to keep the |commune=yes parameter in the WP:FR tags for the time being. If we finally decide to only keep a fixed version of the WP:FR tags, then this parameter will be useful.

Lazulilasher: the removal of the communes tag is causing a problem at the moment, because the WP:France banner does not automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project. If this can be fixed and we can have the WP:France banner to automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project, then I think that we would have solved the problem. We probably wouldn't need the WP:FRCOM tags any longer, but only the WP:France ones with the |commune=yes parameter. Thanks all! olivier (talk) 01:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds about right. I'll go back today tomorrow (when I will have more time) and re-add the tags.   jj137 (talk) 01:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, good. I know it's possible to have the tag automatically pull in the category...that's basically what userboxes do (and the WP france banner, in general). I'm going to see if I can figure it in the next day or so. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds great. I'll delay a little while updating these talk pages if you are going to try to figure it out. I just want to be certain I'm doing the correct thing on the talk pages so that I don't have to go around a third time.   jj137 (talk) 21:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Lazulilasher! Could you find a fix to the WP:FR/WP:FRCOM template problem? I might help in automating the WP:FR substitution process with STTWbot. Also I could add "tf=Paris" to all the articles under Cat:Paris if needed. --STTW (talk) 16:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter?

I think that we're building momentum on the project. I noticed that back in March, ChrisDHDR (talk · contribs) began a newsletter. I think that putting together a new newsletter might help to bring some inactive members back to the project, focus ideas about collaboration, and provide news about what we've been up to (we just added a Paris taskforce). Does anyone want to help get this together? Think it's a good idea? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I've had a look through the archives of the newsletters of other projects, so as to see what sort of format is generally used, the style of writing, and what the actual content of the newsletter should be like. Before I edit the draft, I need to check up on a few thing, namely:

1. So far as I can determine, the last newsletter was released on 9 December 2007. Should the new members section be updated with members who have joined the project since then, or only those who joined in the last month?
2. Will a newsletter be released every month? I believe that with the right amount of participants, this could be easily achieved.
3. Will records be kept of all those who have received the French Barnstar of National Merit, found here, so that this information can be posted on the newsletter?

There are several other ideas and factors that need to be taken into consideration. Will recent successful Featured Article candidates be announced by the newsletter, and will Good Articles also be given recognition? I am willing to commit myself to the newsletter, and would enjoy working on it. If any other editors feel the same, could they propose any of their ideas and suggestions here on this talk page? Jordan ^Contribs 14:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Jordan, I am going to try and reply to your questions above. I would welcome any new members after an arbitrary cut-off: say July, 2008. Perhaps it would be a good idea to mention that we are redesigning, and hoping to build an improved platform for collaboration (and ask them to stop in!). I'd like to start releasing a newsletter at least once per month; maybe even every 2 weeks if we can manage. If anyone has received the award recently, I would note it. I would add the FA/GA noms (ask for input) AND recent promotes. Maybe we can also start getting a collaboration together? Hope this helps! Lazulilasher (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll get to writing it straight away. Thanks for your answers. Additional suggestions may be made at the newsletter talk page. I will be working on a rough draft on this user page. Jordan ^Contribs 13:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Affaire des caporaux de Souain needs translation

Paths of Glory says that the novel "is supposed to be inspired by a real case; the affair of the Souain corporals", and links to the fr.wikipedia article Affaire des caporaux de Souain at [4]. We apparently don't have an article on this in en.wikipedia yet - anybody care to translate? -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 05:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, we'll get to work. Also, this one should get some attention as well: Loi constitutionnelle du 23 juillet 2008 Lazulilasher (talk) 23:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration? French Revolution?

Chers collaborateurs: I was hoping that we begin a collaboration in order to bring more Top-Importance France articles up to, at a minimum, GA status. Hopefully, we can achieve FA with many. I'm currently working on Louvre, and would appreciate any help. However, I was wondering if anyone would want to help with French Revolution. Obviously, this a wide subject; thus, any help would be appreciated! Let's get started. I'm going to the library today, anyway. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Great idea. I'll help out where I can. Perhaps we could initiate a formal "Collaboration of the Week" or "Collaboration of the Month"? It would be a good idea, and would formailize the process, thus clearly defining a set project goal. I'd gladly set one up. Jordan ^Contribs 15:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Go for it. Draw up a draft, and maybe make a template message we can use to send to editors with an expressed interest in that period (see the list on our members' page and on similar pages, such as MILHIST's French military taskforce). The article receives over 3,000 views per day and is in the top 2,500 pages by views on the entire en-wiki. It deserves a comprehensive, professional article. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I've started up a rough page, to be found here. What do you think? Jordan ^Contribs 18:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Redesign

I've made a few minor adjustments to the project pages. I have created a navigation templete, as well as separating the article status page into two parts. Featured and good content now has its own project page. The navigation template may be seen on all of the project's pages, on the right hand side of the page. If anyone has any ideas or objecions, please voice them here or on my talk page. Jordan ^Contribs 20:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Er...I don't like it. Let's discuss first. We just went through a major redesign away from the sidebar template. The big problem is that it doesn't work with the transclusion style of page we use--i.e. it leaves a large blank space and there is much room for overlapping. I appreciate your boldness; and would discuss, but I prefer the tabs because they are more clear. I reverted. Feel free to continue the discussion here. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, because we use a transclusion format for the main project page, if you add a large nav template to one of the subpages then you have to use: <noinclude>...</noinclude>. Otherwise, the result is malformed. I do like the nav template on the talk page, however, I don't think it works with the rest of the design, sorry. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Lastly, see the old design's template which we removed about 3 weeks ago: Old Sidebar. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

And what of its usage in the Review department? And on the other project pages? I agree with you in regard to the main page; however, I believe that it works on many of the other project pages. What do you think? Jordan ^Contribs 10:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it's fine on pages that don't start off with a transcluded introduction; so, on the review page I left them. I put the tabs back, as well. I think it looks fine now. You? Lazulilasher (talk) 14:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I must say I like it. I agree with you about the transclusions. I'll be sure to add <noinclude>...</noinclude> to those pages that are transcluded. Also, what do you think of this? I see that you edited one of the templates, so thanks for that. My question is, what do you think of the page format? We also need someone to edit the France talk page banner, so as to include the collaboration candidate template. Jordan ^Contribs 14:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured Lists needing clean up

Hello, the featured list List of French monarchs currently has a clean up tag for a lack of in-text citations. It would be great if a member of this project could take care of the issue, otherwise it may be nominated for removal. Once the issue is resolved, please indicate so here. Thank you, Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Marquis de Lafayette at FAC

Just a head's up, in case anyone was interested in commenting. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Help request: 1563 France-related articles needing geographical coordinates

Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles related to France, I've found some articles that I believe are about places in France, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.

Why add coordinates?

By adding coordinates, a Wikipedia reader can easily view the location on a street map, nautical chart, topographic map, by satellite photo, realtime weather map, and in many other ways. Coordinate data makes an article eventually appear in various services such as Google Maps' Wikipedia overlay, Google Earth, and Wikipedia's own internal map service. Coordinate data also helps readers looking for geographically-based data, such as locations near a reference point, or related information.

How can I do it?

The articles are all marked with {{coord missing}} tags, which need to be replaced with {{coord}} tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Wikipedia:Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members. Please let me know if this is useful, or if you have any questions! -- The Anome (talk) 22:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Note - if the article without geocoordinate data is a French commune, please use the Template:French commune infobox with copy/paste from the same commune on the French wiki (see WP:French communes for how-to) - NYArtsnWords (talk) 01:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... two of the articles in the list above give me some concern. The first Broërec is a large (ish) geograpical area, so where should the coords be set? At the geographical centre ? (how do you calculate it?), or on the largest town perhaps ?
The other example above Serres, Meurthe-et-Moselle has an infobox, which does show the linked coords, at top right, as usual. So how has it made it to your list ? Dickie (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I've just noticed you added the infobox today ! So sorry ! Dickie (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

T53 and T56

I just rated T 53 class destroyer Start class. It needs some help, more sources and information. also, the article T56 Needs to be made. Regards, --RayqayzaDialgaWeird2210    16:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. I'll further notify the French Military task force of the Military History Wikiproject. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

France articles needing geographic coordinates

2,260 articles in Category:France articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that France is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --

'Sfunny - this looks so similar to the request just two items above Dickie (talk) 13:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Incest in Ancien regime

I hope this is the right place to ask my question. What was the method of execution for people who had comitted incest in France before 1789? I have heard that the method for execution could be burning at the stake. Is this true? I would be much grateful for a reply. I hope someone want to answer! Thank you in advance! --85.226.45.121 (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I remember that when I was in Tolouse there was a certain bridge (possibly called the Pont des Enfants, Bridge of Children) from which commiters of incest were thrown over into the river in a metal cage, therefore drowning them. That all I know, hope it helps. ChrisDHDR 19:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

That was interesting, thank you very much! But perhaps that was the method only in Toulouse? I would be grateful if anyone could tell me the method of execution in general. Can anyone help me with this? --85.226.45.121 (talk) 12:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Lazare Ponticelli at FAR

User:Tony1 has nominated Lazare Ponticelli for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

French law on secularity and conspicuous religious symbols in schools FAR

I have nominated French law on secularity and conspicuous religious symbols in schools for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Le Monde

Does anyone have access to the Le Monde archives? If so, could you e-mail me a copy of BÉNIN Mort de l'ancien président Apithy? ~the editorofthewiki ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Québécois

Québécois has been proposed to be renamed Québécois (word) 76.66.195.159 (talk) 03:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Francophone?

Is there a WikiProject for Francophonie, like there is for WP:COMMONWEALTH? 76.66.195.159 (talk) 03:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge: there is not. Not a bad idea; but, I would be concerned about overlap with those countries parent projects. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Though, on second thought: this project just completed a reorganization. I am wondering if perhaps we could implement a taskforce dealing with French and the Francophonie? Also, it may be of interest to have a taskforce organizing articles related to various French kreoles, patois, and dialects. Lazulilasher (talk) 03:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Or a Francophonie project can become parent to taskforces on countries that don't have their own Wikiprojects? 76.66.195.159 (talk) 08:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it can function as the WikiProject for articles about the French Language as well. 76.66.195.190 (talk) 09:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Arles: Archaeological museum

Alyscamps says: "The better of the remaining sarcophagi are now on display in the Museum of Ancient Arles, which has one of the best collections of Roman sarcophagi to be found anywhere outside Rome itself." Arles mentions: "The town also has an outstanding museum of ancient history, the Musée de l'Arles et de la Provence antiques, with one of the best collections of Roman sarcophagi to be found anywhere outside Rome itself. Another museum is the Museon Arlaten." Could someone please create an article on Arles' archaeological museum(s), or if one already exists, make these redlinks redirect to it as appropriate? Thanks. -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

fr.wikipedia has http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musée_de_l'Arles_et_de_la_Provence_antiques and http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musée_Arlaten, so if anybody would like to take 20 minutes or so to translate, this would be good. (I won't be doing this myself.) Thanks again. -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 18:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll create the article and do what I can. Dickie (talk) 08:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx! Appreciated. -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 15:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The Nesle sisters

Which exact year did Louise-Julie de Mailly become the official mistress of Louis XV of France? (I have heard she was his mistress for years before she was officically recognised), and wich exact year did Pauline-Félicité de Mailly became the royal mistress? Article say 1740, is this correct? I hope someone can answer. Thank you! --85.226.40.103 (talk) 21:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

According to fr wiki, the first of the sisters was mistress to the king in 1733, but this was only confirmed on the birth of her child in 1737. The fr:wiki suggests Pauline-Felicite became a mistress in 1735 until 1741, i.e. partly concurrently with her sister. The third sister, Marie-Anne was mistress from 1742 till her death in 1744.

That was interesting! Are you sure that Pauline-Felicite became mistress in 1735? that sounds very early. I have heard that she was the official mistress extremely shortly. Is this said anywhere else than wiki? --85.226.44.74 (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Parc de Saint Cloud

Several articles on early aviation history make reference to the Deutsch de la Meurthe prize, which involved flights from the Parc Saint Cloud or Parc de Saint Cloud or Parc of Saint-Cloud, depending on the article. Examples at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Parc+Saint+Cloud&fulltext=Search
For example, from Alberto Santos-Dumont

"the Deutsch de la Meurthe prize. The challenge called for flying from the Parc Saint Cloud to the Eiffel Tower and back in less than thirty minutes."

Is this the same place as Château de Saint-Cloud?? Should we make a redirect / redirects and/or make a mention of this in Château de Saint-Cloud? - 201.53.7.16 (talk) 02:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It seems that, according the the French Wikipedia's articles Château de Saint-Cloud and Parc de Saint-Cloud, the palace was destroyed in 1892 and that the Parc de Saint Cloud was built in its place. Therefore the parc and the château were/are situated at the same place but aren't the same thing. If anyone has the time they could translate the French articles here to better explain the situation. ChrisDHDR 12:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Let's get to work, kids :)Parc de Saint-Cloud should be blue linked in a minute...Lazulilasher (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

What is "domaine national"? Is it like a National Park? Lazulilasher (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I did a rough version of the article. Please add to it :) Lazulilasher (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Public land#France gives one scentence. However according to fr:Domaine National it is a property (buildings, land, and furnishings (though this is disputed)) belonging to the government and considered a public utility. It can be a forest, a castle, a park, or roughly anything else. ChrisDHDR 19:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Help with an artcle

I have created an article on Simon du Fleuve, but have realized that writing an article from Google translate is not as easy as I'd thought. Would someone that actually can speak French mind helping to find reliable sources? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 08:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Help with my english

Hello. I just added myself to this wikiproject. I read english better than I write it. Could some of you have a look, sometimes, on my contribs in Main, especially when i ask for reraed in edit summary ? Thanks in advance. Alvaro (talk) 16:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Alvaro! I'll have a look occasionally - however it's "reread", not "reraed". A helpful tool, if you use firefox, would be the automatic spell checker. I myself am a horrendous speller and it helps me a lot. ChrisDHDR 18:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the occasional look and the FF's tip. "reraed" is a mistyping, I think ;D Alvaro (talk) 22:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

translation from fr:

Hello. I have a problem. What is the Best, the One, solution when I create an article from his french equivalent ? I saw a lot of solutions, including this:

• The French article from which this article was translated

in the External links of Briare aqueduct.
The perfect template exists, somewhere ?
Merci d'avance. Alvaro (talk) 18:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand a word of what you're saying. Could you please say it another way (or in French). ChrisDHDR 19:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

J'ai compris ! I use this for all the communes I'm processing Dickie (talk) 19:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

 == Notes == *This article is based on the equivalent article from the French Wikipedia, consulted on January 14th 2009. 

(conflit d'édition)
Arf, désolé ;D
Have a look on Canal du Loing I created from fr:.
Is the references section with Based on the article in the French Wikipedia the right solution?
Merci d'avance. Alvaro (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, merci Dickeybird. Alvaro (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I've just amended the article. References should be for any <ref>s ^[1] marked in the main text. I changed 'in' to 'at' for where the canal is, i.e. 'in Cepoy' to 'at Cepoy' Cordialement Dickie (talk) 20:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup et bonne année. Alvaro (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

1. ^ like this

Caisse d'Epargne (cycling team) → Caisse d'Epargne

There is a requested move for a change in the title of the cycling team article at WP:RM, additionally, the redirect Caisse d'Epargne was repointed to the cycling article, away from Groupe Caisse d'Epargne, the bank. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 23:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Save Bonnet

can someone plz help me with the article of one Manuel Bonnet, a French atctor. I need some assistance in ssubstantiating his claim to notability since most of the websites are in french which makes it onerous to discover for me under the pressures being expropriated by external fources namely WP:D] if you wanna help please help me in scouring the Internet as well as print sources for the notoriety of the films with which he has played a major role in the devleopment thereof +- Smith Jones (talk)—Preceding undated comment added 15:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC).

January 2009 Mediterranean storm

Hi. Just letting you know that I have created an article on the ongoing storm that has hit parts of France. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 14:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Could someone here explain the French Wikipedia's GA process?

I'm thinking about doing a Wikipedia:Signpost article on foreign GA processes. I have the beginnnings of an article at User:Peregrine Fisher/Workspace/. Is anyone familiar with the French wikipedia GA process (or FA) and could you describe it on my workspace page? Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I ceased to participate to GA on fr: Too frequently (IMO), people say "what a good article, bravo X", to be nice with the contributor X... and the article has a lot of grammar errors, typos... they don't even read the article ! Alvar☮ ☎ 19:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

2 communes less, 1 more

Hi all. Since 2009-01-01, Saint-Germain-Source-Seine & Blessey don't exist anymore. They have fusioned (?) into Source Seine (fr:Source Seine). My english is too bad to create the new article and explain the origin. On fr: they categorised the 2 former communes in fr:Catégorie:Ancienne commune de la Côte-d'Or, which doenst exist here. Alvar☮ ☎ 19:30, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I've created Category:Former communes of Côte-d'Or Alvar☮ ☎ 19:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

You could probably just go ahead and create the articles, and someone else or me can go back and check it. Your english seems to be pretty good.   jj137 (talk) 22:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm updating the articles to reflect the information. This source verifies what Mr. Alvaro has noted, in case anyone doubts him. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Too late, already done ;D Alvar☮ ☎ 23:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Grammatical gender

No big deal.
In France, the rivers can be le or la. For example: « Le Rhône est long de 813 km » but « La Seine est longue de 776 km ». We have also « la Tamise » but « le Rhin ». (I don't know where it comes from.)
Sometimes, like in Meu or Petite Creuse, I use Template:Lang-fr to explain that. (but it's not always possible, the river Arconce is « l'Arconce » ;D )
Good/bad idea ?
Alvar☮ ☎ 13:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Perfectly good idea to use ((fr icon)). Besides, sometimes the name Seine, Thames etc is so well-known that the word 'river' is not required , or as with your Arconce example, it is explained in the text that it's a river. Dickie (talk) 15:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, ok ;D

« The » or not « The ». I think I understand what you mean; something like « Foo has its source... » without « the ». Correct ?

Arf. I wrote I never saw River Foo. in above section but, on River Thames, I find at least 3 times « The River Thames »

Je me gratte les neurones ;D

Alvar☮ ☎ 23:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I was wrong (am I going mad ?) to talk of the definite article when I meant the word 'river'. We might say 'The Thames is a large body of water', i.e. not using the word 'river' at all. Dickie (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok. File:Icon beer.gif À ta santé ! ;D Alvar☮ ☎ 17:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Help needed

I'm bathing in the rivers of France. I operate with copy-pasting + adaptation but I saw a lot of different things.

• The river Foo is a tributary to the river Fuu.
• The river Foo is a tributary of the river Fuu.
• The river Foo
• The Foo river
• The Foo River

Where to put the « [R-r]iver » ? « of » or « to » ?
Thanks in advance. Alvar☮ ☎ 23:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

(1) ...a tributary of the river Fuu (always)

(2) depends - we would always say 'the river Seine' or 'the river Thames', it sounds right. On the other hand, it's always 'the Hudson river' and 'the Mississippi river'. I guess it's convention and what sounds best. Reversing the above just makes it sound as though a non-native English speaker has written/said it.

(3) Foo River or Foo river ? Again, it seems to be convention. En:Wiki tends to capitalise 'River', but I personally wouldn't. No doubt others have an opinion on this point.

Anyway, you would not be criticised, but your work may be amended, when using a capital (or not), or placing 'river' in the 'wrong' place. Dickie (talk) 08:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

(1) Ok.

(2) Your examples... 'the river Seine', 'the river Thames' are in Europe and 'the Hudson river', 'the Mississippi river' are in America. My french rivers are in Europe, I think I will use river Foo.

(3) Foo River or Foo river ? I think it doesn't matter if I use river Foo; I never saw River Foo.

Merci beaucoup Alvar☮ ☎ 13:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

(2) Your rule about putting the name before or after isn't totally correct: it's definitely the Loire river and just the Rhone.

If you want, just put a list of rivers here, and someone can "translate" them. ChrisDHDR 20:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

In en:wp, ggogle finds 65 "river rhone" and 237 "rhone river". I definitely won't any more add river ;D

The list? Each river (>50 km) in fr:Liste des rivières de France with no equivalent in en: Who is the someone you are talking about?

I create more than I translate. I spent more than 1 hour on Bouzanne (and the others); to find the missing infos in fr:article (coordinates, elevations and so one), to build the ordered list of communes along the course of the river, to verify and fix fr:articles, cf. [5] or [6]

Alvar☮ ☎ 15:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

About the September Massacre's article

A couple of weeks ago I found out that the article regarding the September Massacres during the French Revolution was quite incomplete. Since then I've been trying to improve it by adding more background, more info and details, as well as better references. I would like to ask you for revision of the article as to confirm if it is good enough as it is, or if more changes should be made. Please take a look at it and tell me what you think of my improvements. ==== Thaelman ==== 10:45, 31 January 2009

It's certainly a bigger article. There's several typos (sicsic) and words/phrases that I would never use (e.g. desition, non-juring). If I have time, I'll read the French equivalent(I know nothing about the subject) and add to/fix the article. Dickie (talk) 08:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Some of the additions are nonsense. Some aren't even complete sentences and in places you use 18th century English! Can I help by looking at your original pre-translations ? Dickie (talk) 10:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Expand French template - removal?

I suggest removing this template from all the pages it was added to. I'm sure it was added with good intentions, but I would question its overall purpose. If you look at François Asensi's page for example, there is already a French stub template, which is sufficient if you ask me. The goal of the other template is to translate the full French article in English. As someone who is familiar with the French Wikipedia, there seems to be a very big problem with references there. Most articles in the French Wikipedia are not referenced. For that reason, frankly, most of the info is useless. The third argument against this template is that it looks ugly to me. What does everyone else think?Zigzig20s (talk) 11:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Splitting Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in France into Departements or Regions?

I suggest splitting Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in France (I don't want to hyperlink it here because I'd like to avoid adding this page to the category) into regions or departements. There are so many communes and people to add a reqphoto for, it would seem to make more sense imo. England has the same system with counties, btw. I don't know how to create those category pages. What does everyone else think?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Leave as is. If splitting is necessary, split by Department. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 13:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Leaving it as it is is going to end up in having a homongous list. Can anyone please create a special reqphoto category for each department then? I don't know how to do it.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

French heraldry

Hi, I'm part of WP:HV and have created French heraldry. I'm assuming it's part of this project, so if you want to include it and/or rate it, feel free. But my main concern is that is sufficiently wikilinked to onmajor pages. When I made English heraldry there was a template to which I could add it, but I can't find a French one. Anyway, make the most of the article's existence as you feel fit. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 22:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Opinions wanted: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#France-related wikis on wikidot.com

We've accumulated a number of links to several France-related wikis that look very commercial and not especially useful. Before someone blacklists them, I'd like others' opinions. Thanks, --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

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Guadeloupe Revolution

Is the article Guadeloupe Revolution some kind of trolling ? Commanders : Nicolas Sarkozy, Category : Lists of wars by date ? Is that serious ? Hektor (talk) 05:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The French article here calls it a general strike (now affecting Martinique as well as Guadeloupe). There's been one death and some destruction. Hardly a war, but as Sarkozy is French president, he is 'leader' of one side of the 'conflict'. Dickie (talk) 07:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Historic sites in France

Hi, there's a new Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites which may develop articles on historic sites in France. Perhaps it will make sense to form a joint Task Force. For now, I've posted several questions about addressing historic sites in France, at wt:HSITES. Your input there would be most appreciated! Merci, doncram (talk) 16:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Devoucoux at AfD

Input would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devoucoux (2nd nomination). -- Banjeboi 09:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Source Translation

Is anyone available who can translate this article from Le Figaro for use in the White Dog article?[7] It appears to be a review of the book, which the article could really use, but on-line translators are not giving any usable info. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

It's all about the opinions of a certain politician Jean-Louis Debré, and not about the book at all, except for a one-liner fact that it deals with racism. Of no use to the article whatsoever, imo Dickie (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, pooh. Thanks for checking :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi all. In Village#France I read Same general definition as in England... my problem is that most of the french rural communes have just one village with the town hall, the mayor, the market... Auroux, for exmple, 400 inhabitants. That doesn't match the definition as in England. My english is too bad to (try to) explain this in the article, hence my SOS here. Merci d'avance. Alvar☮ ☎ 16:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Don't confuse the French commune (which must have a mairie & maire) and may have many settlements (hameaux, lieux-dit, villages) with the French village, which, as in England, maybe a collection of houses and perhaps a church, shop, pub/bar and can be any size from say 50 people to 5,000 or so. As you know, the concept of the 'commune' doesn't exist in Britain, villages are governed usually by the nearby town or the county. Hope that helps Dickie (talk) 18:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes. But... it's unclear. A village does not have a town hall nor a mayor. A lot of fr. communes have the name of the village in the commune, where you find the town hall, the market... Hmmm... no big deal, in fact. Merci. Alvar☮ ☎ 18:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

RFC on date-autoformatting and the linking of date fragments

These issues have been the subject of an ongoing ArbCom hearing, and a further RFC (after those held in November at MOSNUM) is under way to settle important details. Which ever way you feel, it’s important that the current RFC capture full community opinion. You may wish to participate. Ohconfucius (talk) 13:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

List of French monarchs

We need imput at that article, concerning the listing of Henry VI of England as King of France. GoodDay (talk) 15:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Whilst the entry may be disputed, I have at least cleaned up the entry's awful spelling and grammatical errors. Dickie (talk) 06:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Marie Baptiste

Perhaps someone here can be helpful in adding the birth and death dates for this French artist, and perhaps her earliest history? I have the same question and aply for help for the article of Marguerite Morel. It would be interesting to know.--Aciram (talk) 19:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Article request

Perhaps someone could create an article on Hôpital Saint-Louis, also termed the "Hôpital St-Louis in Paris"? kilbad (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Attention needed for Cinema of France

I initially visited the article to get some knowledge of French film, but the article is in mess!! The half of contents is just list of movies. History of film started in France, and French film has taken an important role in world cinema. I feel so odd that articles of French films are underdeveloped compared with the reality. However, due to my limited knowledge and language skill, I seek editors who can expand Cinema of France. Thanks.--Caspian blue 04:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Mon cher Mustapha letter needs context, please

The Mon cher Mustapha letter was apparently an infamous cause célèbre in France in the early 1980's. Our article contains text of the letter, but very little in the way of context to make it comprehensible to contemporary / non-French readers. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 00:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Abbreviations

Can anyone give me a full title for "Comp. Aux. de Navigation"? Comp would be Compagnie, wouldn't it? But what about the Aux.? Is it Auxerres, or something else? Mjroots (talk) 06:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

What is the context ? Aux. is often used as an abb. for Auxiliaire. Google doesn't find any thing with "Comp. Aux. de Navigation". Alvar☮ ☎ 09:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

It was a shipping company based in Paris. Mjroots (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC) Possibily fr:Compagnie auxiliaire de navigation? Mjroots (talk) 14:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. Look for "Compagnie auxiliaire de navigation" in this page. Alvar☮ ☎ 15:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, unfortunately no pictures of Theodora, but it confirms the name. Mjroots (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. "Théodora" appears 3 times, at the end of the page, with dates, but without pictures. Alvar☮ ☎ 18:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Théodora now has a mention on Wikipedia at Empire Tagathel. An article will eventually be created. Thanks for your help. Mjroots (talk) 17:36, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

M'aidez!

Resolved.

I've temporarily declined a speedy deletion on an article about a French foundation, for a few days. I'd appreciate any wikignomery anyone wants to offer. See User_talk:Dank55#L'OCCITANE Foundation. Je vous remerci d'avance. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 13:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

• Now completed. Ohconfucius (talk) 08:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 17:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

2007-09 University strikes

Hi, I've re-written the article on this topic, which was rated a stub, on the basis of the German one (the French is too long and too technical). It still needs some improvement. Could anyone review the classification if necessary ? Thanks.U1K1T1 (talk) 12:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Could you wikilink to it please?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

2007–09 university protests in France, sans doute. (without doubt ?) Alvar☮ ☎ 18:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

That's effectively 2007–09 university protests in France, sorry for forgetting to mention it.U1K1T1 (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Diplomatic articles

I happened to stumble upon Consulate General of France in Atlanta while patrolling for the new pages patrol and noticed it was looking a little shabby, so I undertook a substantial copy edit and referencing to bring it up to scratch. Afterwards, while trying to de- orphan it, I went to link it into Embassy of France in Washington, D.C. which, for an article of its importance, I thought would be of far greater quality and a useful reference source to link to, but, frankly, it's even worse than the first one! For a country wikiproject, I would have thought that diplomatic relations articles would be a high priority. I haven't looked at the articles for other countries, though I notice that London is conspicuous by its absence, unless the category is poorly maintained. I'll do some work to the American ones, since that's where I started, having got the former up to a decent standard. Any useful sources other than the official websites would be greatly appreciated, as would a reply or talkback on my own talk page. HJMitchell You rang? 13:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Tour de France and the cycling wikiproject

Hi, I'm a regular member of the cycling WikiProject. I just wrote two articles relating to this year's Tour, and in the course of tagging the talkpages with appropriate banners, I happened to notice that none of the previous articles about the Tour, seemingly none of them at all, have banners from this project on their talkpages. Is there a reason for this? Other cycling race articles usually are tagged with the nation (or sometimes, smaller region) where they take place, and this seems a very odd exception to that rule. Thanks. Don't fall asleep ^zzzzzz 09:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The only probable reason is than no one has done it yet ... There's no reason why it shouldn't be done, so go ahead! ChrisDHDR 19:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Assessment

Hi all. Can I, myself, evaluate my creations ? Only french rivers, cf. User:Alvaro/rivières et canaux. I want to put {{WikiProject France| importance=low | class=Stub }} insteaf of {{WikiProject France}} on most of my new articles. Do you agree ? Thanks in advance. Alvar☮ ☎ 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I do it all the time - but I claim start class, not stub, as the criteria is met, IMO. Cheers Dickie (talk) 16:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Merci. Alvar☮ ☎ 16:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?

Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt (talk) 01:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Arc de Triomphe

The recent [8] to the article are controversial and so need some help from project members more familiar with the topic. thanks in advance. Happy editing, --STTW (talk) 15:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest

A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.

The Transhumanist    00:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation

This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

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FAR for Samuel Beckett

I have nominated Samuel Beckett for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cirt (talk) 06:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Photograph request - Air France HQ

Hi! Would someone like to photograph the headquarters of Air France, by CDG Airport at 45, rue de Paris 95 747 Roissy CDG Cedex? [9] WhisperToMe (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you could get more help on fr:Wikipédia:Le Bistro. Alvar☮ ☎ 12:42, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Jardin d'Éguiles to be deleted, as there is Jardin d'Éguilles

Please delete the first page (Jardin d'Éguiles), with a spelling mistake.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Strange, the same user created the 2 articles. Jardin d'Éguilles is the true spelling, see Éguilles. Why not a redirect from Jardin d'Éguiles to Jardin d'Éguilles ? Alvar☮ ☎ 14:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I created the page on the village sometime ago. Delete or redirect...Zigzig20s (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:The Camargue

Since I have been working on a few articles connected to this region, I thought I would create a Category for it. I am not very down with Categorisation here, so I hope I went the right way about it. It's currently in Category:Geographical, historical and cultural regions of France, hopefully that makes sense. Widsith (talk) 08:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

looks good to me (more geographical than historical or cultural), but... why this « the Camargue » ? category:Camargue is not enough ? Alvar☮ ☎ 10:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Historical, Constitutional Question

In looking for a cleanup project, I came across Charter of 1815. I decided that part of my cleanup should be to add some references, but to my surprise, I could find no mention whatsover of this ostensible "constitution", or at least, not anything with that name. The article (Charter of 1815) itself does point the reader to this page, which is about "The Act Additional", which appears also to be the subject of the French-wikipeida article Acte additionnel aux constitutions de l'Empire de 1815. So my question, before I begin my cleanup, is this: Has this article, Charter of 1815, been misnamed? And if so, to what should I move it? Thank you for your help. Unschool 03:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

There's the previous French constitutional change, which was called the Charter of 1814 (on French wiki as fr:Charte de 1814. The full French title Acte additionnel aux constitutions de l'Empire de 1815 redirects to "Charter of 1815" on en:wiki anyway. An English translation of the French is as much a mouthful (i.e. Additional act to the constitution of the Empire (1815)) so I'd vote to just leave it as is. Dickie (talk) 13:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Need a little Help

I try to translate a new page from Wp fr about fr:François Viète. It is more complete and less pro-cartesian than the old one. Problem  : i'am french and my english is not good enough... So, if somebody wants to put an eye on this project here : User:Jean_de_Partenay/Viete2/wikipedia, it'd be very kind. (from begining to the gregorian calendar). I hope you will enjoy to work about such a corny thing ! Bye.Jean de Parthenay (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The 3 external links on the English version may help you with some English terms, especially [10], though the layout is awful. If I can contribute meaningfully, I will, though the subject matter is rather unappealing to me. Dickie (talk) 07:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Who was in charge of the Royal Crowns and Jewels??

Trying to do research on origin of my family name "Couronne" which means crown, family believes they made the crowns for the royal families of France, also that there was an Marquess Couronne who might of held the title of crown keeper for a period of time. Please give any input you can in regards to this subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.163.240.243 (talk) 18:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Or perhaps your family could have come from any of these French places and dropped the 'de' from 'de Couronne' ?

   1. F - Saône-et-Loire - Pontoux (71270): Couronne   2. F - Seine-Maritime: Grand-Couronne (76530)   3. F - Charente: La Couronne (16400)   4. F - Seine-Maritime: Petit-Couronne (76650)   5. F - Bouches-du-Rhône: Cap Couronne   6. F - Bouches-du-Rhône - Martigues (13500): La Couronne   7. F - Charente-Maritime - Saint-Médard-d'Aunis (17220): La Couronne   8. F - Eure-et-Loir - Saint-Maurice-Saint-Germain (28240): La Couronne 

Dickie (talk) 05:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That could be the case. The "de" (or "de la" or "du") was very typical of the nobility, showing the estate that their familly owned. At the Revolution a lot of famillies dropped the "de" in a desperate attempt to survive: at the time you could be arrested just for being a noble, not even having done anything counter-revolutionary. ChrisDHDR 07:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Regions

I noticed that there is a great deal of un-conformity aong the naming of French regions. Certain are translated (Corsica, Picardy), certain are in French (Bretagne, Rhône-Alpes), and certain are disambiguated since no English-equivalent exists (Ile de France, Franche-Comté). I also noticed that concerning other European countries the names are translated, including Germany, Greece, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, and probably more if I looked. So why not here? ChrisDHDR 16:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

It's mostly historic, imo. Places that have existed since early times have mostly got an 'English' version (Lyons, Marseilles, Saxony, Lombardy, Corsica, Genoa etc). Other newer names are translated to English because in the native tongue they are perhaps unknown or unpronounceable (e.g.West-Vlaanderen). But suggesting translating Ile-de-France to 'Island of France', for example, is inelegant, meaningless and unnecessary. Just my two penn'orth. Kind regards Dickie (talk) 06:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't mean a systematic renaming, just using the English version when one's available, not making new ones. However for Germany "Nordrhein" is translated as "North Rhine", something perfectly logical, so I don't see why we shouldn't here. However "Île-de-France" should not be translated since that is the name of the province in English, after which the region is named. ChrisDHDR 09:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)