[edit] filmreference.com I removed the section in the table listing filmresearch.com as a database that can be used. I said that it's not a reliable source (as it doesn't meet WP:RS guidelines, and when it was brought up on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard it was called unreliable there too). This removal was reverted, with the claim "not meant to be sourced from, but provides other related sources such as books". I therefore updated the "Notes and limitations" section of the table to explicitly state that filmresearch.com is not a reliable source. DreamGuy (talk) 18:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC) [edit] Re-structuring the page It seems like we need to re-structure the page. I wanted to add Directors' Cuts and Contemporary Film Directors since books about directors cover their films. I'm not sure of such additions, as well as the British Film Institute's Filmstore Books & Magazines, belong in the same table as Variety and The Hollywood Reporter. I'm not quite sure what another structure could be. Perhaps by periodicals? Websites could be grouped together for a section of quick access, where print items can have "heavier" research. The page may also benefit from some prose explaining how to go about researching for film articles. Thoughts? —Erik (talk • contrib) 20:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC) - I had figured the type of topic (production, box office, music, etc.) would be helpful, but perhaps by type of medium would work better. I initially looked to other projects for developing the page, but if there is any way to make it more attractive or helpful to editors, then definitely change it as you see fit. There are likely many other sources out there that should be added to this page, and it would be beneficial if we had more members' libraries on here. Perhaps if the page is structured better, it may persuade others to consider including their libraries. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 20:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going to start a "Beginning your research" prose section. The "Members' libraries" section is great, in my opinion. I think that we could revise the tables, but I'm not quite sure how to do so yet. :) I will write the prose section, and maybe that will lead to some new ideas. —Erik (talk • contrib) 20:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'll see if I can add anything after you start an initial section. You should probably leave a message for other members to include their insights as well. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 20:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think I figured it out, at least for the items I was trying to add. The difference between what existed before and what I wanted to add was directness. "List of possible resources" are resources that are immediately accessible, where "Repository of resources" are off-wiki places to find possible resources. I may add a few subscription-only databases to show what editors could use. Any opinion on the new prose section? —Erik (talk • contrib) 01:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Think it would be a good idea to add some sections for specialist sources? Like for larger Horror RS reviews, Disney sources, etc? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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- Tough to say. We can add a lot of possible resources for editors to use. I linked off-wiki to websites listing books in a series that may be relevant, but I thought to myself that it may be easier to list all the directors for which there are books. Seems like this kind of thinking can spiral out of control, though. Can you explain what you mean by reliable sources for horror film reviews? Are you thinking periodicals or books? For Disney sources, do you mean books that cover a whole bunch of Disney films? One approach we could take is to add resources to the relevant articles' talk pages and link to them from here. —Erik (talk • contrib) 01:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was thinking periodicals, books, and RS websites. Like for horror, Bloody-Disgusting.com would be one resource. Similar to what we've done at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Online reliable sources and Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Reference Library. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm trying to envision how the page could look ideally... do you see the need for sub-pages to this end? Let's use horror as an example. I can understand listing websites like Fangoria and Bloody-Disgusting, but what about the print sources? Do you want to list horror magazines that can sometimes provide film coverage? For books, Amazon.com lists all these books for "horror film". Are you wanting to list these books or narrow down by additional criteria? Just trying to understand what you had in mind for film. —Erik (talk • contrib) 02:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- What, we don't have room to include a subpage for 14,000 books (for just one genre!)? It could be beneficial to list books that editors here have experience with or are generally accepted great sources for information. While obviously we can't list every book (nor should we spend all of our time just categorizing potential sources), there's no harm in listing well-known books an editor has experience with. These books would have to be on a broad topic as a whole (such as action films, films set in Chicago, films of the 20th century, etc.), as books on individual films could just be dumped on the talk page of the article. Perhaps there should be a requests section on this page for editors looking for help to find sources. Then editors here can offer assistance in locating books, journal articles, websites, etc. that are related to the film/topic they are looking for. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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