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[edit] Tagging energy articles by bot

To simplify the process of tagging energy related categories and articles with the project banner, I propose to make a request for using AnomieBOT for this purpose. I already made a preliminary request here. To go forward, the list of categories is needed, which is approved by the WP:Energy. In general, I propose to tag the Category:Energy and all its subcategories and sub-subcategories etc. However, if the full list is needed, I would like to ask your assistance for creation that kind of list of categories. Any opinion? Beagel (talk) 11:00, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I made a comprehensive list of the categories Beagel proposed on my talk page: User:Anomie/Sandbox5 (that may not exactly match "Category:Energy and all its subcategories" mentioned above, perhaps later I'll make a list of that too). It might be easiest to just go through that list and make any necessary corrections. Anomie ⚔ 16:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I gave up on trying to get the entire list of subcategories of Category:Energy. This is why "and all subcategories" is often a bad idea: Category:Energy → Category:Energy by country → Category:Energy in Japan → Category:Transport in Japan → Category:Transport in Japan by location → Category:Transport in Japan by city → Category:Transport in Tokyo → Category:Streets in Tokyo. Anomie ⚔ 22:08, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Some comments. Following categories should be removed from the list because it clearly is not a part of this project.

I am not sure about following climate change category. I personally don't think that they belongs to this project; however, some other participant think they do. I think we need further discussion about these categories:

Also, probably following categories do not belong here:

Beagel (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

All above mentioned categories are removed. Beagel (talk) 17:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:SILENCE, I'm going to start on the tagging. If the bot needs to be stopped for any reason, post your reason on this page. Anomie ⚔ 03:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

For the record: Although most of the bot's additions look appropriate, I removed tags from some pages about the U.S. nuclear weapons program (and I see that someone else removed a few others). These pages had been tagged because the weapons program is in the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), along with several other activities (such as human genome research) that are not related to energy technology. --Orlady (talk) 14:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

The list needs more vetting before the bot proceeds. Please remove Category:Units of luminous energy and Category:Power. The latter might seem appropriate, but it contains articles on basic physics, not just articles on energy technologies. From the project page, the project "refers only to energy as used by humans to do daily practical things, not physics concepts of energy in theory."--Srleffler (talk) 03:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I have ended the task. Once the issue above is addressed by multiple members of this project, let me know. Anomie ⚔ 13:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

To avoid confusion, it is better to remove following categories from the bot list:

I think this would resolve this issue. Beagel (talk) 16:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Some others to remove:

Category:Chairmen of the United States Atomic Energy Commission
Category:Entropy
Category:United States Department of Energy agencies - only a few of the agencies are actually concerned with energy
Category:United States Department of Energy facilities - not all facilities are actually concerned with energy

Orlady (talk) 17:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I propose also to remove following categories. Although mainly these categories belonging to the WP:Energy in general, they include a number of articles, which are not in the scope of the project. Relevant articles may be tagged manually.

Beagel (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Some categories are changed. Please see #REDIRECT Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 April 29 and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 7#Category:Hydroelectric power plants by country.Beagel (talk) 11:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

A quick peruse of the list of categories leaves me with only one that I think does not belong. Category:Residential_heating strikes me as end use more than about energy itself. Category:Energy conservation would seem to cover the efficiency aspect of home heating along with other energy saving articles so I'm not sure that Residential heating belongs. Mishlai (talk) 12:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, Power cables has T-aerial (radio transmission- probably a bad cat), and Power/ lamp cords (marginal interest as a energy article). So how about a temporary maintenance cat (hidden) for marking the articles autotagged? We could then quickly cull the list. alternatively, a pointer to the bot's edit history if the the changes are contiguous. The niceness of the maintenance cat is that there is a thoroughness measure- folks remove the cat when verified. This makes it easy for manual editing or as a rapid AWB pass. -J JMesserly (talk) 18:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Support this proposal by JMesserly. The technical explanation how it could be done is here.Beagel (talk) 15:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Just leaving a note to say I'm thoroughly impressed with the categories. They seem to cover every facet of this topic and more, I'm left, rather embarassingly, not being able to make any suggestions for once. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 16:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that Category:Residential_heating and Category:Power cables should be removed. At the same time, the later subcategory Category:Submarine power cables clearly belongs to the WP:Energy and should remain for taggin by the bot.Beagel (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

One more relevant comment concerning possible overlapping with the WP:Physics. Beagel (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Categories Category:Pipelines in India and Category:Pipeline stubs removed from the list. Beagel (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

There must be an error: Talk:Newcastle, New South Wales should't be in this WikiProject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elekhh (talk • contribs) 07:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Automatically assessed articles are listed in Category:Automatically assessed Energy articles. All members of the Energy Project are invited confirm the bot assessment by removing the 'autotagged=yes' parameter from the WP Energy's project banner template if you agree with the assessment, or removing the project banner if the article is not belonging to the scope of the WP:Energy. Beagel (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Energy, environment and sustainability

Energy, environment and sustainability are pretty much all tangled together with different concepts of economics also being tossed in Energy economics. Any one here wishing to get more familiar or involved in the sustainability aspects of things with editing and participation can do so here on this newly formed task force page... participation in this page for those interested is encouraged Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment/Sustainability task force Thanks~!~ - skip sievert (talk) 16:49, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Renewable Energy Certificates and Green certificate

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but are these articles about the same thing or two related but significantly different systems?

The Green certificate page says that they are "also known as Renewable Energy Certificates (RECs) in the USA", but the Renewable Energy Certificates article clearly states that they are only a program in the US. Could someone clarify this? Perhaps there could be a main article about the concept and subsections or other articles about the various systems using that concept.

Thanks, — sligocki (talk) 23:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also Renewables Obligation and green supply tariffs (see Good Energy). Obviously the jargon in this field is not internationally standardized yet. Different people start similar programs and make up their own terms. As to what each term means what in what country, the various articles might list that. To say that a particular term refers only to a program in the US would require an exhaustive study of all the similar programs in other English-speaking countries. It would be safer to say the term refers to a program in the US and leave out the word "only" unless we have a reliable source for the "only" bit. Then if someone finds another country using the term, they could add a section about that. --Teratornis (talk) 03:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Subsea" and energy

The article Subsea is currently written as if the term "subsea" is the exclusive province of the oil and gas part of the energy industry. This is not the case. The term is widely used in marine biology, geology and in the emerging field of deep-water, floating wind turbine technology. So in my view, the article should not be so narrow as to exclude renewable energy (e.g., the floating turbines) but perhaps should go further and not be limited to energy as many other fields use the term. Could I interest any other editors in taking a look and weighing in? N2e (talk) 15:57, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] British Columbia Electric Company needed

This was a subsidiary of the British Columbia Electric Railway - more or less the same company in fact though with a different operating infrastructure - which was nationalized in 1961 to form BC Hydro, or the main building-block of it anyway. The railway itself is now the Southern Railway of British Columbia, while the transit system is now run by TransLink. Please see Talk:British_Columbia_Electric_Railway#BCE_.2F_BC_Electric_Company. If someone knows much about the company succession or knows how to start a basic company outline I'll add things when I see them....also will post at WP:Energy.Skookum1 (talk) 00:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

See WP:LAYOUT, WP:CORP, WP:CITE, and WP:FOOT for information about writing articles. You could start the article as a user subpage: User:Skookum1/British Columbia Electric Company and just put in whatever you've got. You might also ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British Columbia. The limiting factor for Wikipedia articles is to find reliable published sources. If we have sources for a topic, we can write an article. If we don't have sources, then we can't. It's not solely a question of whether somebody knows about the topic. On Wikipedia, just knowing something isn't enough. See WP:NOR. --Teratornis (talk) 03:17, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] CONVERT KILOWATT HOUR TO AMPERAGE

I NEED LOAD SERVICE LOAD CALCULATIONS

FOR THE ABOVE PLEASE!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.153.192.119 (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

You could ask on the Reference desk. They might need a little more information about your line voltage and so on than you specified. --Teratornis (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable sources discussion on Encyclopedia of Earth

I've just started a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard on the Encyclopedia of Earth. I'd appreciate thoughts there. CRETOG8(t/c) 17:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Since not everyone will go there to examine this information I will post what I posted there.

If Encyclopedia of Earth is not a reliable source then there is no such thing as a reliable source ;). It is beautifully done, and it is peer reviewed and topic edited and the largest reliable information resource on the environment in history. See this page for more information. Economics in regard to environment is just one of many subjects published there. The Environmental Information Coalition (EIC) is comprised of a diverse group of respected scientists and educators, and the organizations, agencies, and institutions for which they work. The EIC defines the roles and responsibilities for individuals and institutions involved in the Coalition, as well as the editorial guidelines for the Encyclopedia.

The Secretariat for the EIC is the National Council for Science and the Environment (NCSE), Washington D.C., USA. NCSE is a 501(c)(3)non-profit organization with a reputation for objectivity, responsibility, and achievement in its promotion of a scientific basis for environmental decision-making. The Department of Geography and Environment and the Center for Energy and Environmental Studies at Boston University also provide editorial support. skip sievert (talk) 18:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rename Energy (society)

I have requested a page move of Energy (society) at Talk:Energy (society)#Requested move. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rename StatoilHydro to Statoil

StatoilHydro has changed its company name to Statoil, and all links and name references should be updated. I have done a few, but didn't dare update all the intricate tables and interlinking articles. Hopefulle, someone more proficent in WIkipedia than me can step up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjornwang (talk • contribs) 09:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Electricity tariff article

I would really appreciate a few energy-informed eyes looking at the discussion over at Talk:Electricity tariff. The article has quite a number of problems and I would like to see one or two other opinions before changing it around and perhaps creating a new article. Please take a look if you have three minutes to spare. N2e (talk) 00:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] FYI: 1970s Energy Crisis

FYI: I was trying to find an article to link to regarding the general 1970s Energy Crisis and could only find articles discussing specific events during this period. Since it seems to me this period is signficant historically I went ahead and created a stub.

Anyway, anybody interested in the topic please feel free to hack on the article as you like.

--Mcorazao (talk) 22:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article rating consistency?

Hiya! Just passing through and curious to know if one minute per article in your latest blitz is sufficient to produce consistent ratings across your project? Browsing through even casually there are several instances where "C" class and "Start" class do not appear in any way distinct and precisely zero guidance is provided as to the rationale, or methods whereby an article may be "improved". Regards, David. Harami2000 (talk) 00:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with your opinion in general and please feel free to reassess or notify here any article, which has questionable assessment. However, "Start" class is quite automatic assessment, that means every article which needs significant improvement, but is not "Stub" anymore. The general guidelines could be find at Wikipedia:WikiProject Energy/Assessment.

At the current moment the most urgent issue is to get project articles tagged with the project banner. That explains absent of "comments" or "guidelines" in most of cases. The revaluation with emphasis on "B" class articles from one side and "Start" class articles from another side would be the next stage. The issue is that the number of editors in "assessment team" is rather limited, so every editor who feels he/she would like to contribute to carrying out this task is welcome. Beagel (talk) 05:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Deregulation articles

I was trying to find out a little bit about electric deregulation, as I'm considering switching providers, but I don't know much about what I can shop around for and how.

I found at least two state-centric deregulation articles that appear to be non-NPOV articles:

Also, Community Choice Aggregation appears to be written like an advertisement.

I suggested merging information from these articles to Electricity provider switching, which appears to be a very Texas-centric article (and also ad-like). I'm not sure if this is the right move.

I think there should be a general deregulation article that is more generic rather than state-specific (it's OK to aggregate state-specific information in such an article, I think). More importantly, I think it should be a little less "politically charged."

Tckma (talk) 20:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reorganization of articles

Hello editors. I have noticed that a significant number of countries do not have an article like List of power stations in xxx, while having articles like (examples):

List of geothermal power stations in xxx
List of hydroelectric power stations in xxx
List of nuclear power stations in xxx
List of photovoltaic power stations in xxx
List of solar thermal power stations in xxx
List of tidal power stations in xxx
List of wave power stations in xxx
List of wind farms in xxx

Thus i think it is better to at least create a List of power stations in xxx and redirect it to any of the above technology-specific lists. And if the content of a technology-specific list of a particular country (xxx) is too short, to move all the contents of all the lists to List of power stations in xxx (creating redirects). And as for wind farms per particular country, to merge "Onshore wind farms" and "Offshore wind farms". Doing these would greately ease the navigation between the related articles. Any comments? Regards. Rehman⁽⁺⁾ 03:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

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