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Contents 1 Tech help on collapsible banners 2 Help needed with Kingbotk plugin 3 Order of multiple WikiProject banners 4 "Challenge" contests 5 Project to task force conversion guide added 6 Glaring holes in doc (copied from Template_talk:WPBannerMeta/doc) 7 Past discussions about WikiProject templates and banners in article space, cross-namespace redirects? 8 WP:Recentism

[edit] Tech help on collapsible banners

My work would be greatly facilitated if I could add some code in my monobook.js to enable me to see by default collapsed material as un-collapsed, in particular the Talk page BannerShell. I asked here: Template talk:WikiProjectBannerShell#Tech help, but haven't got an answer for over a month. I would be very grateful for any assistance. Hoverfish Talk 09:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Add the following to your .js file:

 function collapseTable( tableIndex ) { } 

That will override the function responsible for automatically collapsing the talk page banners. Kirill ^[talk] [pf] 15:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Kirill Lokshin, I appreciate. Hoverfish Talk 15:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed with Kingbotk plugin

Hi. Does anyone here know VB and so could help out with the Kingbotk plugin. It's not working to spec in the new builds of AWB per Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Kingbotk plugin not assessing in SVN version. Thanks. Hiding T 17:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Order of multiple WikiProject banners

When adding a WikiProject banner to a talk page which already has one, I always place my new one beneath those that already exist, but above any other box-type templates (such as DYK, failed deletion, etc). There are, however, bots which insert at the top - see here for example. Is there a preferred order for the banners? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

The Kingbotk plugin (which many bots including Xenobot run on) places them at the top always, but I have some custom code that ensures the WPBio banner gets top billing if living=yes.

Personally I feel the templates should be ordered in order of relevance and hierarchically (so an Xbox exclusive video game that also became an Internet culture phenomen would be WPVG->WP Xbox->WP Internet culture), but it's impossible nigh-on impossible for a bot to do stuff like this. –xeno^talk 18:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Question from some one knowing nothing about how some templates operate. Would it be possible to have the two banner shells adjusted in such a way to automatically place the banners in descending order depending on declared importance to the individual project included? John Carter (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... Neat idea! Off-the-cuff I don't think it's possible, but perhaps some higher level wizard can prove me wrong! –xeno^talk 18:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Challenge" contests

For those who don't know, there are currently the User:ChildofMidnight/Bacon Challenge 2010 and the earlier User:Grundle2600/Doughnut Days 2009. I am disgustedly envious of both of these concepts, because, of course, they aren't my ideas. It's horrible! :) Having said that, I wonder if maybe settting up short-term "micro-projects" like these might not be an effective way of stimulating article development, particularly in areas needing a lot of help. The one problem I can foresee, of course, is the possibility that, eventually, we might get to the point of having (all examples made up on the spot, don't expect any gems here) the "Football playoffs" fighting for temporary help against "the sex line" (three guesses where I sign up here) and maybe the "Easter Parade" and "Oscar's 'And the Winner Is...'". And, of course, despite their comparative importance, "Detroit Days", "Emergency Room" (Medicine) and maybe "Brazilian Carnival" are probably going to get a lot less interest if they go head-to-head with any of the above.

Despite that, they are really good ideas, particularly if they wind up being effective. I note tht the latter is tied to the WikiCup in terms of points and the like. Would there be any other projects that would like to give something like this a chance, and, if yes, any ideas on how we don't have them fighting for involvement against each other? John Carter (talk) 19:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

The doughnut thing was not my idea. I was asked for permission to allow it to be posted in my userspace, and I happily said yes. Grundle2600 (talk) 21:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Project to task force conversion guide added

Using WP:MED's project to task force conversion guide as a starting point, I've added a more general stepwise entry to Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Task forces on how to perform project to task force conversions. Any feedback , improvement, etc. would be appreciated. I'm trying to do it now since I'll be doing a conversion of WP:Inland Empire coming up, so it match up. -Optigan13 (talk) 02:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

That looks pretty good, overall. A few minor things, based on my experiences with turning projects into task forces:

• In (1), the discussion may be better off being held on the future parent project's talk page, particularly if the project to be merged is inactive. Generally speaking, pointing people to a discussion on a different page gets a significantly lower number of participants than holding the discussion on a page they're already visiting.
• In (4), the moved project page will likely require significant rearrangement, particularly if the new parent project has a standard layout for task force pages.
• In (5), many of the pages will need to be redirected to the new parent project's corresponding pages, since part of becoming a task force is adopting the parent project's assessment/review/etc. processes rather than running one's own.
• In (12), I've always just redirected the banner rather than tagging it as deprecated.

Kirill ^{[talk] [prof]} 05:30, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks,

• I've tweaked the discussion instructions (1) to be agnostic as to which page the discussion should be on as long as it is centralized. I've been using the project being considered for conversion's talk because I'd prefer to avoid someone coming back a month after the fact and raising a stink about not enough notice.
• I've been using some boilerplate text I found to the top of the proposed task force's main page, but I can't find what if any template it is on to recommend. diff of the boilerplate text
• I've added steps about layout changes and redirecting redundant pages.
• Redirect works fine, I'm just more of a stickler for keeping a consistent template call (for no real strong reason). I've changed the wording on that.

-Optigan13 (talk) 08:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Glaring holes in doc (copied from Template_talk:WPBannerMeta/doc)

Having begun to use project templates recently, I read the doc page of WpBannerMeta to familiarize myself with its usage (as opposed to writing a banner with it). There are unfortunately many holes in that documentation, for example, what's a listas? For that matter what's a small? What values can they take? What's a category optout? No idea. I searched Wikipedia for such information, with no luck, not even in WikiProject Council... I found some bits of extra information here, and I would encourage you guys to integrate some of it for us, poor ordinary users...
--  Alain  R 3 4 5 
^{Techno-Wiki-Geek} 00:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

What's a "listas"? Good question. It is a "sortkey for the article talk page (for example, for Elvis Presley, |listas=Presley, Elvis, so that the talk page will show up in the P's and not the E's of the various assessment and administrative categories)." I had to hunt around for that definition. You might be semi-interested in this colloquy: User:GeorgeLouis#Category:Biography_articles_without_listas_parameter Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Past discussions about WikiProject templates and banners in article space, cross-namespace redirects?

Have there been any past discussion about placing WikiProject banners and other material in the article space on the Council? I've recently placed {{WPbox}} up for deletion at WP:TFD, and appears that the template's creator has also been creating several cross-namespace redirects(contribs) to the WP:COUNCIL page and the list of projects. I've already seen WP:SELFREF, and a discussion in the archives here which addresses COTW templates, but I'm looking for specific discussion about banners and WikiProject specific precedence. -Optigan13 (talk) 23:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WP:Recentism

Is there a project anywhere that aims to tackle all the articles with "Recentism" tags, like this one:

This article or section may be slanted towards recent events. Please try to keep recent events in historical perspective.

? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Try this link it might help, Category:Articles slanted towards recent events. --75.154.186.99 (talk) 19:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes! Thank your very much. GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)