Request for assessment (nominal B-class only): Heitor Villa-Lobos

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Contents 1 Project banner and article assessments 2 Announcing a class project 3 Dmitri Aleksandrovich Pavlov 4 Thomas Tallis reference books 5 Mr.Z-bot's 'popular pages' 6 Tfd: Template:Timeline Classical Composers Famous 7 Classical composers time-line 8 PROD of Beethoven relatives 9 Book-class

[edit] Project banner and article assessments

Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers/Assessment, FL-Class appears to be used by this project, but there is no support for it in the {{Composers}} banner. Similary, the banner does support Category-Class and Merge-Class, but these are currently unused and the relevent categories Cat:Category-Class Composers articles and Cat:Merge-Class Composers articles don't exist. Do changes need to be made to the banner? PC78 (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing this. We are certainly using FL and List, though there are no FLs at present. If FL is not possible with the present banner then, yes, we need to fix that. On the other hand I don't see any pressing need for category and merge class. --Kleinzach 02:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorted; I've added FL-Class to the banner and removed Category and Merge-Class. PC78 (talk) 02:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Strange. I thought I'd done it - anyway please let me know if you see any new problems. --Kleinzach 02:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Announcing a class project

Please see the relevant notice at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Classical_music#Announcing_a_class_project

Let's keep comments to a single venue. Eusebeus (talk) 15:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dmitri Aleksandrovich Pavlov

Hi all. I stumbled upon this site: Dmitri Aleksandrovich Pavlov composer. Obviously, this page needs to be cleaned up and wikified, but I'm not entirely clear if the composer is even notable. I had a bit of trouble finding sources right away, but you guys are the experts, not me... — Hunter Kahn _(c) 05:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas Tallis reference books

The following general books are cited in Thomas Tallis (c. 1505 – 1585).

• Barber, David W. Bach, Beethoven, and the Boys: Music History As It Ought to Be Taught. Toronto Sound and Vision, 1996.
• Barber, David W. If It Ain’t Baroque: More Music History As It Ought to Be Taught. Toronto Sound and Vision, 1992.
• Cohn-Sherbok, Lavinia. Who’s Who in Christianity. London, New York Routledge, 1998.

Would we be justified in completely removing this kind of reference from specialized articles? What do people think? (BTW it seems these references have been there for some time. They are not new additions.) --Kleinzach 07:33, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

these books are not specifically about Tallis and if they are not cited in the article they should be removed, I would say.--Smerus (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually they were cited, though more to justify generalizations than anything specific or factual. --Kleinzach 22:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mr.Z-bot's 'popular pages'

In view of the interest in having a monthly 'popular pages' output for composers (based on page views), as discussed here, I've today made a request with Mr.Z-bot (Task 3). --Kleinzach 10:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Tfd: Template:Timeline Classical Composers Famous

This template is being considered for deletion here. --Kleinzach 05:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Classical composers time-line

This timeline (which overlaps with the one highlighted by Kleinzach) is in desperate need of experts... --Jubilee♫clipman 01:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] PROD of Beethoven relatives

I've proposed deletion of Johanna van Beethoven and Kaspar Anton Karl van Beethoven; I believe they fail notability (especially WP:NOTINHERITED); things known about them appear almost exclusively in the context of Karl's better-known brother (and both are given coverage there). Feel free to disagree and move the discussion to WP:AFD. Magic♪piano 19:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Now at AFD: Johanna, Kaspar. Magic♪piano 22:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Book-class

Copied and tweaked from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Arts#Book-class

Since several couple of Wikipedia-Books are art-related (and composers related in particular), could this project (and other art projects if they see this) adopt the book-class? This would really help WikiProject Wikipedia-Books, as the WP Arts (and taskforces) people can oversee books like Art and Art Business much better than we could as far as merging, deletion, content, and such are concerned. Eventually there probably will be a "Books for discussion" process, so that would be incorporated in the Article Alerts.

There's an article in last week's Signpost if you aren't familiar with Wikipedia-Books and classes in general. If you have any questions just ask. Thanks. Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 02:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

For those who don't know much about what books are about, essentially Wikipedia-Books are collections of articles, which you can arrange in a certain order, separated by chapter an so on. For example Wikipedia:Books/Anton_Bruckner is divided in his biography plus four sections (Insights, Music, Compositions, Symphonies) [I'm not saying this is the best way to arrange the articles, but that's how it is as of writing]. This compilation, meant to be read like a book, can then be downloaded electronically, or ordered in print. See this example PDF.

You can also check WP:Books and Help:Books for more info. Or contact me. (I'll watch this page for a while though). Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 02:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I recommend looking at Wikipedia:Books/Anton_Bruckner. It may be worth doing something similar for Haydn, Mozart and Wagner through their respective projects. This is an impressive new development for us. --Kleinzach 02:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright, it's implementend. You have 7 books for now, but you could easily bring that in the 50s or 100s (Mozart, Schubert, Brahms, Mahler, ...). If it would be good to ensure that the composer has a link to the book (use {{Wikipedia-Books|Booktitle}} in the "see also" section), otherwise no one will know these exist. Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 03:48, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Mmm. The reason I said Haydn, Mozart and Wagner is because these are all have dedicated projects with experienced editors. (P.S. It's unlikely anyone here has heard of Bradley Joseph.) BTW I forgot to ask if the contents of the 'books' are automatically updated when pages are changed? --Kleinzach 07:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Books are updated automatically, unless you specify a revision, in which case they'll use that revision. (See Help:Books/for experts for how to use specific revisions). Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 07:55, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. One other question. Is it possible to make your own hierarchy of book headings according to the subject of the collection? For example I see Wikipedia:Books/Ludwig van Beethoven only has one level of heading, whereas several might be desirable. --Kleinzach 09:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC) P.S. Also can we leave the Biography Project banners off these collections? The contents go far beyond the scope of that project. --Kleinzach 09:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)