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Contents 1 The Anglican Province of the Southern Cone and dissident US parishes and diocese 2 Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Anglicanism 3 ALERT: Episcopalian vs Anglicanism 4 {{bishop-stub}} 5 Willibrord Society 6 List of Archbishops of Canterbury 7 ALERT: Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh 8 Assessment of importance of articles 8.1 Nav Box 9 Portal 10 Proposed deletion of Parish church template 11 The Anglican template 12 Milestone Announcements 13 Coordinators' working group 14 Discussion regarding project organization 15 Article alerts 16 Dioceses by country 17 Requested move: Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday 18 RfC on name in lede of Gene Robinson 19 infobox for anglican bishops 20 Martin Luther King, Jr. Request for comment 21 GA Sweeps invitation 22 Diocese of Lincoln Major Improvements needed 23 Consultation on renaming article: Roman Catholic Church --> Catholic Church 24 Old St Paul's Cathedral GAR notice 25 Church using big C or little c? 26 DNB 27 St. Thomas' Parish (Washington, D.C.) 28 Cosmo Gordon Lang 29 Requested move 30 Templates for deletion nomination of Template:Anglican cathedrals Great Britain and Ireland 31 Coordinator elections 32 Deans 33 Anglican Church in North America dioceses 34 Category for Deans of Lincoln 35 Liturgy 36 Churches - notability and Manual of style

[edit] The Anglican Province of the Southern Cone and dissident US parishes and diocese

Those affiliated with the Episcopal Church (USA) are probably aware that Bishop John-David Schofield led many members of the Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin to form the so-called Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin, which claims to be a member of and is claimed as a member by the Anglican Province of the Southern Cone. Previously, the article for the Anglican Province of the Southern Cone listed the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin as an actual, official member diocese of the province. I removed this, but kept mention in the lede about the province making this claim; on the talk page, I stated that it should probably remain removed until and unless supporting references can be provided.

A recent news article has come to my attention stating that the Diocese of Fort Worth (Texas) has accepted an invitation to leave the Episcopal Church and affiliate with the province, and that the Diocese of Pittsburgh will be considering a similar offer at its diocesan meeting in October.

I expect that as more dissident diocese and parishes abandon the US church in favor of the Southern Cone or similar offers made by other provinces, the matter of canonical jurisdiction will be subject to a lot of debate. Before all this devolves into edit wars, I would like to know if WikiProject Anglicanism has any guidelines on how to treat articles where this issue is relevant, and what type of supporting references would be considered acceptable. TechBear (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Anglicanism

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We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.

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We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ALERT: Episcopalian vs Anglicanism

An editor has redirected Episcopalian to Anglicanism, but kept Talk:Episcopalian in which said editor explains said action. I personally don't feel these edits are helpful, since they obscure the differences between the two terms and delete the previous language differentiating the usuage of Episcopal vs Episcopalian, which is basically that an Episcopalian is a person who belongs to an Episcopal church. I for one cringe everytime I hear or see a current reference to an "Episcopalian" church and feel that such usage is derogatory and that it is necessary to assert the correct modern usage, especially in the US. Your comments, please. clariosophic (talk) 19:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

"An editor" was me. Angr has since redirected Episcopalian to the disambiguation page at Episcopal: I disagree with his move, but he is a knowledgeable and serious editor, and I am discussing it with him. I too cringe when I see it (in a 21st century context), but the offending articles can be quickly found with Whatlinkshere and fixed. In the meantime, the redirect I proposed will take uninitiated readers directly to the right place. I think the wiktionary articles do a reasonable job of explaining current usage. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I see Clariosophic point and I agree. -- Secisek (talk) 11:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{bishop-stub}}

Please see question at Template_talk:Bishop-stub and a request for your project to resolve. Thanks. -- billinghurst (talk) 10:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Willibrord Society

Willibrord Society has been PRODded for deletion because it lacks third-party sources to establish its notability. I found a few hits at Google Books, but because I'm in Germany I can't see most of the books, so I don't know what's said about the Society in them. I'd like to be able to keep this article, though, so if anyone can help save it, that would be great. —Angr 17:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of Archbishops of Canterbury

I've nominated this article for removal of it's featured list status. Feel free to comment, here. iMatthew (talk) 20:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ALERT: Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh

On October 17, 2008, an editor moved the Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh to Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh (Episcopal Church) and then turned the resulting redirect page into a disambiguation page. This does not follow what happened with San Jaoquin and should be reversed but only an editor can do so. There is no need for a disambiguation page. Cross references at the top of each diocese's page are sufficient. clariosophic (talk) 19:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Cross references are better, but shall we let feelings cool a bit? The split only happened 2 weeks ago, according to the article, and there is time to reflect on the best way to link this.

BTW, other project participants may not be aware that there is also a Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh.

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 21:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I encourage anyone with insight into this topic to help out. There are now two bodies that consider themselves the rightful diocese, which has left us with a content fork. There's a proposal to slit the pre-schism diobese into an article of its own, with articles for each of the new bodies. But that's not perfect either. From what I've read, it doesn't appear that the situation will be resolved anytime soon, so we need to settle the Wikipedia disposition. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 03:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment of importance of articles

I have just looked through the Top, High, Mid and Low lists and find that there are certain inconsistencies.

I discovered, for example, that the Ceremonial use of lights is assessed at High, the remains of the ruined Burnham Abbey is assessed at Mid while many Anglican Dioceses are assessed at Low!

Problems 1. Decisions are needed over the importance of certain categories of article. Specifically, many listings are for Dioceses, Cathedrals, Parish churches, Bishop of such and such, Theological Colleges, and sites that have religious association such as shrines, ruined abbeys etc.

Currently some Dioceses are Mid and others are Low. Having looked through them, I concluded there was nothing to make the Mid ones more important than the Low ones.

Recommend-

• all Diocese listed at High
• all Cathedrals Mid except Canterbury Cathedral, St. Paul's Cathedral and Westminster Abbey at High.
• all Parish Churches at Low unless they have some exceptional significance for the Anglican Communion.
• the articles on the "Bishop of such and such" are brief, and include material dealt with under the article about the Cathedral of the same diocese. Rate at Low
• all Theological Colleges rated low unless they have enormous clout/historical importance, or are a thorn in the side of the Anglican Communion that is threatening to cause division.
• Biographies- I haven't checked many of them!

2. Two issues of Top importance in the modern church have been given high or mid priority:

• Ordination of women needs upgrading from High to Top. Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori has been given a Top rating. But the person is not more important than the issue which brought her to the place she is now.
• Homosexuality and Anglicanism can hardly be considered a Mid status article. It needs to be upgraded to Top importance.

3. Articles that I would raise to Top importance

• Baptism
• Bishop
• Catholic
• Christian Church
• Christianity
• Bede
• Dissolution of the Monasteries
• Diocese
• John Wycliff

4. Articles now of High importance that I would lower to Mid or Low

• Ceremonial use of lights
• Easter Vigil
• Durham Cathedral (the diocese is of High importance to Anglicanism, the building is Mid, not the other way round)
• Gloucester Cathedral
• Worcester Cathedral
• Washington National Cathedral and any others that I've missed
• St. Paul's Church (Halifax) and any other parish churches to Low importance
• St Stephen's House, Oxford

5. Articles now of Mid importance that I would raise to Top or High

• Architecture of the medieval cathedrals of England Top, Justification: it is a large generic article that deals with the Church's major contribution to the material culture of England, and the inspiration of Gothic Revival Cathedrals throughout the Anglican Communion. This aspect of the Anglican Church is not touched upon else where in the Top articles, which deal with many ideas, and many individual people.
• Homosexuality and Anglicanism Top
• Deacon High
• Dean ditto
• Archbishop
• English Dissenters
• High Church
• Li Tim-Oi The first woman to be priested

6. Articles now of Mid to be put down to Low

• Holy Cross Monastery (West Park, New York)
• Saint Thomas Church (New York City)
• St Thomas the Martyr's Church, Oxford
• St. James Church, Sydney and any other parish churches etc
• Shrine of Our Lady of Yankalilla

Amandajm (talk) 03:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Nobody has responded to this, so I guess it is OK if I do it. Amandajm (talk) 11:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

May I suggest that some of the more obscure cathedrals be put down to Low, particularly the ex-parish church cathedrals! Is Lincoln Cathedral really of the same importance as Chelmsford Cathedral?! Similarly - Saint Thomas Church, NYC, is known worldwide because of its musical tradition and webcasts, so may be more 'worthy' than other parish churches... Stefan (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I assigned most of the project priorities in 2007 and I did so with an eye on what I personally felt we needed to be working on. I also was on record here somewhere as saying that any project member could change any priority as they saw fit. Go for it.

The only suggestions that caught my eye were John Wycliff - I would say low or mid - I would not argue with high, perhaps - but not top. St Thomas the Martyr's Church, Oxford should reamin mid. The building was the cradle of the Oxford Movement. --Secisek (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I tweaked a few, made a few of your tops to highs and vice versa. Over all, very good suggestions -- Secisek (talk) 00:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nav Box

I am working on a new Nav Box for the Anglican Communion and would like it to be comprehensive. Please review "Category:Top-importance Anglicanism articles" for inclusion. All comments are welcome. -- Secisek (talk) 20:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Top importance is more about priorities for inclusion in Version 1.0 and for work by this project. About a third of the articles in Category:Top-importance Anglicanism articles are general Christian topics, that belong in the category but not in specific navigation box.

My personal opinion is that the category is too big for a navigation box.

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I have been thinking about this and I really like the new box, but I do think it has become bloated. Perhaps a footer may be the way to go. I am more intrested in content than size, shape, or location. Thoughts? -- Secisek (talk) 00:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Portal

I put 8+ months of new Featured/GA content on the portal. Check it out!

Also after only being back here two days, I already am sick of seeing Cranmer on every single page because somebody put his mug on the portal link. If no one objects, I am going to put the cathedral back, or perhaps the compass rose. -- Secisek (talk) 11:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

They don't show up for me. Maybe a template needs purging? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The template is protected, due to our success in getting it attached to so many articles. I concieved, designed, and maintain the portal. I made the portal link and yet I cannot edit it. Would an Admin do the honors of sticking the cathedral pic from the images section of the project page back on the portal link template? The Cranmer is a bit much on every page, and it is not particularly iconic. The Compass Rose may not be the friendliest logo for some right now and I don't want to offend anyone. -- Secisek (talk) 00:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I've done the honours. All who wish to join the bunfight may do so on the discussion page of {{Anglican Portal}}. Cheers! fishhead64 (talk) 01:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion of Parish church template

Warning: there is a [proposed deletion discussion] about to windup on this and other templates of interest to Anglicans/Episcopalians. clariosophic (talk) 20:01, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The Anglican template

It seems to me that the large template headed "Part of a series on the Anglican Communion" is impossible to fit comfortably or attractively into the text of articles. I don't think anyway that every article related to the Anglican Church is "part of a series" on it. I would like to see the template redesigned to go at the bottom of the page, horizontally, like many other templates (see the three hideable templates at the bottom of Mary Shelley, for example). This strikes me as the way to go, because, in my opinion, large templates plonked within the middle of articles seem extraneous and look unprofessional (a scholarly article wouldn't have a box like this in its midst). It sometimes overlaps section headings and squashes text between it and an image. Thank goodness there isn't a Catholic equivalent, or the text might become terminally jostled in some articles.qp10qp (talk) 17:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

There IS a Roman Catholic one, identical in format to the Anglican Communion's, only get this - it is LARGER.

Please comment on this matter at the template talk page as your input would be most welcome there. I am leaning in the direction of a horizontal nav box as well, at least for use on pages that already have an info-box. The Nav box currently is only located on pages "in the series", the portal link goes on all other pages. -- Secisek (talk) 06:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Commented there. Not seen such a thing yet, but it strikes me that there could occur a traffic jam on Reformation articles, with vertical Catholic, Lutheran, and Anglican templates jostling for elbow room. qp10qp (talk) 16:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Where you have a subject like that, best just to put the top-level {{Christianity}} template on it, since that links down to Catholicism, Anglicanism, Lutheranism etc. David Underdown (talk) 16:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Agree with David. Did you see the footer as well? --Secisek (talk) 19:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Milestone Announcements

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I signed us up for this. We have made huge strides in the last couple of years! --Secisek (talk) 20:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinators' working group

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If nobody objects, I took this on for us. -- Secisek (talk) 21:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion regarding project organization

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[edit] Dioceses by country

After my successful attempt to rename Category:Anglican diocese in Ireland to Category:Church of Ireland dioceses, thought I might drop by here and see if there might by consensus to rename all the "national" subcategories of Category:Anglican dioceses in a similar way. So Category:Anglican dioceses in Canada becomes Category:Anglican Church of Canada dioceses, Category:Anglican dioceses in Australia becomes Category:Anglican Church of Australia dioceses, etc. I thought it might be a good idea to bring it up here before formally nominating the categories in question. My though process is simple. In each country there might be other Anglican groups besides the official church, and the Anglican provinces do not always match national boundaries (often not). Therefore we should categorize diocese by the hierarchy they belong to first. Geographical considerations can be addressed separately though things like Category:Religious sees in Canada, and so on. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 21:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the categories are all that big of a deal, but I agree. -- Secisek (talk) 00:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm late to the party, but I agree as well. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 03:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move: Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday

There is request to move Maundy Thursday (talk) to Holy Thursday; see discussion. —Angr 20:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RfC on name in lede of Gene Robinson

Talk: Gene Robinson#RfC: Is adding Robinson's legal name of Vicky Gene instead of V. Gene approprite for the lede of this BLP?

Your input is welcome. -- Banjeboi 03:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] infobox for anglican bishops

A US bishop's secretary has contacted me about the usage in the Epsicopal church. Apparently in North America bishops are 'Installed' rather than 'Enthroned'. Is there some way this can be reflected in the infobox, or is there an alternative that can be used? Mish (talk) 21:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow, we should do something about this. Anybody? --Secisek (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Martin Luther King, Jr. Request for comment

There is currently a discussion regarding how much material regarding certain matters of the subject's private life should be included in the article above. A request for comment on the subject can be found at Talk:Martin Luther King, Jr.#Request for Comments. Any input is more than welcome. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 14:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps invitation

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[edit] Diocese of Lincoln Major Improvements needed

I have been trying to give some of the unassessed articles in WikiProject Lincolnshire a rating and when I came to this one I was very disappointed. As a High importance article it is only just fit for a Start. As it is not our area of expertise, I was wandering whether or not you can do something to bring the article up to scratch, if so it would be much appreciated. If you can contribute then when you see th article has inproved substantially the please contact me and I will try to re-assess the article. Thank you,

95jb14 (talk) 17:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC), a member of WikiProject Lincolnshire.

[edit] Consultation on renaming article: Roman Catholic Church --> Catholic Church

Wikipedians at Talk:Roman Catholic Church are discussing the merits of changing the article name as such.
Roman Catholic Church → Catholic Church. Please share your opinions there. --Carlaude ^talk 12:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Old St Paul's Cathedral GAR notice

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[edit] Church using big C or little c?

I have a question. When editing articles on Anglican churches, and I mean denominations as opposed to local congregations, should a capital letter C be used or lowercase? I've noticed in alot of articles their seems not to be any regularity, with it some times being spelled church and others Church. Just asking. Ltwin (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The Anglican Communion is itself a denomination, which has provinces, and there are churches within it (as in buildings and congregations) - I am not aware of provinces being referred to as denominations in their own right within the Anglican Communion. The Episcopal Church in the United States is a Province of the Anglican Communion which includes the USA, and is itself made up of nine provinces and the 'Church' has a capital 'C' because that is its name - in the same way that the Church of England has a capital 'C', and is made up of two provinces, within the Anglican Communion, Canterbury and York. In the case of the Anglican Church of Canada, which is also a province of the Anglican Communion, the capital 'C' comes from that being its name. In Wales, the Anglican province is called the Church in Wales; In Scotland the Scottish Episcopal Church; in Ireland the Church of Ireland. If it is the name, it is capitalised (as per the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church, (the Anglican Communion approximates these denominations) the Church of..., the Anglican Church in..., the Church in..., The ... Episcopal Church, The Episcopal Church of..., etc.). Mish (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok I probably haven't made myself clear. I'm not asking about capitalization in the full name. What I'm referring to is for example a situation like this: "The Episcopal Church has an episcopal form of government. The Church (or is it church?) is led by bishops." Does anyone understand what I'm asking now? Ltwin (talk) 04:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I think so. If I do, the "c" probably should be capitalized if the word "church" in that instance is being used as a part of the name of the body in question. So, to maybe clarify, the "Episcopal Church" is the name by which that organization popularly goes by. In the particular instance you added above, however, it isn't overwhleming clear whether the word "church" is being used as the "name" of the organization or just as a term to describe it, in the same way it is used to describe many other churches. In instances like that, when the word "church" is more or less the entirety of the clause being used as the subject or object, then there probably isn't a need for the "c" to be capitalized, as the meaning of the sentence would be as clear without it as with it. Does that make sense? John Carter (talk) 14:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I find it helpful to use Church for an organisational body, and church for examples of buildings, since in an article about a Church, you will probably end up referring to churches fairly frequently. David Underdown (talk) 15:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] DNB

I was looking at the "to do" list and thought I'd make a little propaganda for Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/DNB. From a slow start on Dictionary of National Biography article addition, there is now greater momentum and some proper listings just coming online; and (for those not so familiar with the old DNB) it is particularly strong on detailed Church of England matters (Church of Ireland too). I expanded Herbert Thorndike from its text this morning. To put this in perspective, the Britannica 1911 articles are often cut down versions of the DNB biographies of the same people, so it makes some sense to reverse the process by thinking how to expand by going in the other direction. Of course using old material has some standard problems, but that's more a matter of skill and judgement to overcome than a permanent obstacle. I commend this source, despite the still-crunchy technical issues in getting the text, for getting missing articles in place and expanding stubby ones with factual content. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] St. Thomas' Parish (Washington, D.C.)

Just a heads up - I've tagged the article with your project. Cheers. APK that's not my name 11:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cosmo Gordon Lang

Work has begun on enlarging and improving the Lang article, with a view to a peer review next month. Details are on the article talkpage. Comments welcomed. Brianboulton (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

It has been proposed that Template:Anglican Cathedrals in the British Isles be renamed and moved to Template:Anglican Cathedrals in Great Britain and Ireland. Discussion taking place at the template's talk page. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 19:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Templates for deletion nomination of Template:Anglican cathedrals Great Britain and Ireland

Template:Anglican cathedrals Great Britain and Ireland has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. +Angr 10:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinator elections

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[edit] Deans

I'm starting to work on C of E deans, and some help would be welcome. (The lists of bishops are truly getting there in terms of completeness.) The current position is that there are number of templates, but lists are lacking (these are what I'm interesting in providing). Often enough the templates start in the 20th century, while my area of specialism is the 17th century, right now. Available reliable lists are out there, but typically end in the middle of the 19th century. So this is a heads-up that lists are quite likely patchy as posted: fairly well worked-over in the early modern period, perhaps with gaps from about 1850, and articles linked in from mid 20th century, where they often exist already. There is scope for plenty of verification work. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Anglican Church in North America dioceses

I'm not Anglican, but I have been keeping up with the Anglican Communion problems. I've noticed that US dioceses that separated from ECUSA and joined the Province of the Southern Cone were disambiguated with "(Southern Cone)" in their article names. However, these dioceses: Diocese of Quincy (Southern Cone), Episcopal Diocese of Pittsburgh (Southern Cone), and Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth (Southern Cone) are now all member dioceses of the Anglican Church in North America. Would anyone interested and knowledgeable take a look at these articles and rename them appropriately? I'm personally not sure what would be a good disambiguating phrase. Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 04:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category for Deans of Lincoln

Please come and participate in the discussion to get Category:Deans of Lincoln since 1908 rectified. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Liturgy

I started organising the fascinating story of how we got from the 1662 BCP to Common Worship before I had thought about if the articles should be in Category:Church of England liturgy or something more Anglican. It would be good to connect these two articles and the Alternative Service Book, with the intermediate steps of 1928 Prayer Book and First Series of Alternative Services. Help please! PeterGrecian (talk) 11:25, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Churches - notability and Manual of style

Hi - I have ventured here as I am currently creating articles about churches in Southampton, starting with St. Mary's. Before I get too stuck in, can I ask a few questions:

1. Is there a Manual of Style for churches?
2. Is there a defined Notability threshold for churches? Those I have done so far are all listed buildings so pass on those grounds, but is there any bar on creating an article on a small 20th-century church with no architectural merit?
3. Should the name of a church begin "St." or "St" (without the stop)?
4. I see some articles refer to, say, Shirley Parish Church rather than St James' Church, Southampton. Which is correct? --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 09:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC)