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Please report any bugs with Version 0.5 on the new bugs page. Core topics discussions – Wiki sort discussions – FAs first discussions – Work via WikiProjects discussions – Pushing to 1.0 discussions [edit] Archives | A Wikipedia ad has been created for this project page. Click [show] to view it. | | | [edit] Version 0.7 - should FINALLY be published soon! The lengthy cleanup process was completed a couple of weeks back (it took about 6 months), and there is now a clean ZIM file available for the publisher to use. We had been using the "dirty" version for testing the software. The release will probably be sold on a USB flash drive, not DVD; we hope to have a version available for download via BitTorrent too. So look out for a version being shown at Wikimania (though I can't promise!), and available commercially shortly afterwards. For the future, we hope to use an automated cleanup tool to speed up the time to publication, but that tool is still being written at the moment. Walkerma (talk) 06:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC) - Awesome news. Is there a link to what articles will be included? ♫ Cricket02 (talk) 13:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yessss! I would love to seed it when you get it out as a torrent. JoeSmack Talk 01:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- The article listing (as a set of indexes) is here. (Added later:The topical index has errors!) Joe - thanks for the offer! I was hoping there was someone available to do that. The question is whether it has free software (an offline reader) with it or not. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 03:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- The index appears to be malformated and possibly incomplete. There are some very basic articles completely missing, like Plant, Flower, Tree. I don't see the listings for different specific organisms anywhere. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, the problems with the topical index have already been reported, and should have been fixed for the actual release. Sorry, I should have mentioned that earlier (I added a note). Those three articles are in the collection, but they are missing from the index. It's a formatting issue, dependent on the server settings; I think the index looked fine on a different server. You will find those articles listed in the alphabetical index, for example here. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 18:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I downloaded the Windows version, but I had a problem getting the Okawix program to open the "corpus" (the collection of articles). It may be a memory/size issue - this is a laptop with pretty basic specs. Linterweb are working on that. Also, User:CBM is working on fixing the index pages. Once we can get these to work, we'd like some people to beta test the release before it goes official. Any volunteers? Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 01:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
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- If you need help from someone who has no idea what "Okawix" is for, you can count on me for beta test. It doesn't have to be completely low tech, I do know the meaning of "download", "memory", and "Windows version". Pknkly (talk) 06:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
(Unindent) Sounds great. Okawix is just the publisher's latest name for their offline reader software - you wouldn't know it unless you'd beta tested it already! If you have email via WP enabled, I'll email you the information once the bugs are fixed. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 06:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC) - I can volunteer, shoot me an email. JoeSmack Talk 03:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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- I'm still waiting for Linterweb to fix the "slow open" problem; I did get it to open on my desktop PC, but it took a long time to do so. I'll keep you posted. Walkerma (talk) 02:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- What will be the size of 0.7 (approximately, in megabytes)? Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
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- I heard back from Linterweb - they've done a major rewrite of Okawix. I'm taking a look at the new software, and once we have a stable working version of it I will ask for help. As for the size of the release, it's about 4 GB so it takes a long time to download! (Hence our desire to have a BitTorrent version available). Watch this space! Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Wow, 4 GB = 4,096 MB!! It's sure take a long time to download that... The availability of BitTorrent version sure is helping others to download it more quickly. Keep us informed then. Also, don't forget to update the info for next version's job if there any. Thanks Martin... Ivan Akira (talk) 08:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Any news? JoeSmack Talk 23:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Yes - finally! We have a beta test ready for you to check here. PLEASE NOTE: There is a bug in the topical index which results in some article links being missing or broken, but everything else should be working. And (IMHO) the interface looks much nicer than in the alpha version.
I should point out that the Okawix reader software is no longer GPL/GFDL so it can't be shared (not a situation we're at all happy about, but we can't do anything at this stage until Kiwix is ready). Obviously the content file (the "corpus") can be freely shared. Please give feedback here! Once that is done, and the index fixed, Linterweb will publish this on USB keys (flash drives). Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 15:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC) -
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- Hi, I'm one of the Okawix developers. Just to let you know that Okawix is still open source and distributed under the GPL licence. The project is hosted on Sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/okawix/ with the sources available in a SVN repository. Guillaumito (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
There is an error or bug... I don't know wether wp1-beta1 file is the culprit or client software... but... if you go to article titled "Double play", you will see text like "" depth="10"/>" depth="9"/>" depth="9"/>" depth="10"/>" depth="10"/>" in top of that page which I believe it shouldn't be there. Ivan Akira (talk) 03:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC) - That is very weird! It's not present in the Kiwix version, so it's not just vandalism. BTW: User:Kelson is creating a new ZIM file using the partly-cleaned indexes, and Linterweb will update Version 0.7 using that - then we should be close to publication! Thanks for all your work on the beta tests - it's been very useful so far, I think. Walkerma (talk) 07:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
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- I don't know, but nice to hear about the new release... I'm sorry I can't always follow this discussion (very busy with college tasks), but I'm always try to check the update news about 0.7 release. Ivan Akira (talk) 13:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- The FINAL version of the Okawix release seems working well with my computer, it's nice Martin... Ivan Akira (talk) 14:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Great, that's what I've been wanting to hear! I haven't seen any problems beyond one broken link. Are there any others who want to comment? Walkerma (talk) 14:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hmmm... I'm just curious... If someone want to cite any article from Wikipedia released version 0.7, how can he do that? Because the okawix version doesn't include the Cite this page link or any information that explain citing... Ivan Akira (talk) 11:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Links for beta testing Before you download, please read all the feedback below, and note that the corpus file is huge (ca 1 GB if I recall). - Client file is here
- Corpus (the article collection) is here.
Thanks! Walkerma (talk) 06:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC) [edit] Correction I apologize, I had been misinformed - which is excellent news! See Guillaume's comment above, and I have heard from two others as well confirming my mistake. I apologize to Linterweb and the Okawix team over this, I hope I haven't caused any problems for them. So, we have a fully open source, GPL reader for the wiki, ready for publication! This will make the distribution much more powerful, and allow things like BitTorrent releases to work effectively. Thanks for the correction, Walkerma (talk) 04:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC) [edit] Installing corpus Can't load the corpus into Okawix. Clicking on Install starts the install process but never seems to finish. I let it run in install mode for over 24 hours and it still says "Please wait while your corpus is being installed". I was able to install and remove the Wiki news corpus. Should I have waited more than 24 hours for the install of the WP Ver 0.7 corpus? Pknkly (talk) 15:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC) - What is the size of the downloaded .okawix file? Did Okawix created a repository with some .zeno, .index and .map files in it? Guillaumito (talk) 13:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
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- file wp1-beta1 size = 1.88 GB (2,024,473,024 bytes)
- These are within a folder, called wp1-beta1 size= 1.88 GB (2,024,469,606 bytes), that was created during the install process.
- file article.index size=27.4 MB (28,789,206 bytes)
- file article.map size=1.34 MB (1,408,418 bytes)
- file word.index size=40.4 MB (42,429,830 bytes)
- file word.map size=16.7 MB (17,611,112 bytes)
- file wp1-beta1.zeno size=1.80 GB (1,934,231,040 bytes)
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- Also, I don't know if its relevant, but after the 24+ hour install attempt I received a message from Firefox when I opened it. It said something about installing xxxxx (I recognized it may of had something to do with the install). When I clicked on yes, it came back and said it failed because it was not supported by the latest version of Firefox (ver 3.5.3). I could delete everything and try it again so I can get more information, but I will hold onto everything until your feedback. Pknkly (talk) 18:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- I received the same message, the addon is 'Linkiwix' and I told it no. Bad bad bad that the offline reader tries to install something (whatever it is) like that without telling. JoeSmack Talk 18:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Yup, the installation have a major problem. Firstly, we must understand how to install by ourself, because there is no manual in the software. Next it install add-on on Mozilla, I confirm that. The other one is, after the installation of "wp1-beta1.okawix" have finished, the Okawix 0.7 always says "wp1-beta1.okawix vanished, do you want to remove it?", which actually it not vanished at all. So when I search for any article and try to read the article, the application always prompt that message and I must always press Cancel to overcome it. I don't know what happen.
- Oh yeah Pknkly, the size of wp1-beta1 foler should be 2.37 GB (2,545,856,301 bytes) [because my wp1-beta1.zeno sized 2.28 GB (2,455,617,718 bytes)], and you missed one file that is entry.lnk (17 bytes). Ivan Akira (talk) 22:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback. I'll look for your size and file after my next attempt (see below). Pknkly (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Firefox add-on / Linkiwix I have the same problem. My en.wikipedia corpus(with images included a total of 16GB) stops downloading at around 2 GB. I think that the problem is that the okawix has some opened buffer that has no limitation. If we press Ctrl-Alt-Del we see in the task manager how the Memory Usage keeps growing as the program keeps downloading and the size of the downloaded file is very close to that of the Memory Size displayed in task manager. So the question is why does it stop at around 2 GB(1.8 actualy)? I think it has to do with the fact that for a PC running windows XP that has 1 GB of RAM, the total ammount of page file allocated by the system is, in my case, 2.5 GB. Even if these wouldn't be true i think it would be a great workaround to somehow reinitiate the socket at let's say every 100 MB or so. Another problem would be in systems that have FAT32 filesystem. The maximum size of a file is 4 GB. This also needs a workaround. John(from Romania) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.116.67.21 (talk) 08:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC) I just uploaded a new Okawix build for Windows without the Firefox add-on (Linkiwix) that was installed as part of the installation process. As for the issues with installing the Wikipedia 0.7 content, we're trying to reproduce and fix the problem now. Guillaumito (talk) 07:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC) - I just uploaded yet another build that tries to fix the un-archiving experienced by some of you... now we didn't managed to reproduced it, so we just fixed what we guess was not working. Guillaumito (talk) 09:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Its too bad you were unable to duplicate my symptoms. That may point to a peculiarity within my PC. Nevertheless, because of the changes, I'm ready to try again. I'll delete my old install of Okiwix as well as the old download of the corpus. Then I will download and install Okawix. Do you recommend using Okawix to download and install the corpus or should I download the corpus outside of Okawix and then from within Okawix point to the downloaded corpus? Should it matter? Pknkly (talk) 09:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I would recommend not downloading again, just remove the wp1-beta1 folder not the wp1-beta1.okawix file then use the "add new corpus from local file" feature (found in the drop-down menu) and select the .okawix file. Guillaumito (talk) 11:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Will do. Expect feedback later today. Pknkly (talk) 12:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I will give it a shot of the new client software... And it appear the new client software is smaller (11,019,800 bytes) than before (11,026,885 bytes) so it should be the removal of firefox add-on I presume. Ivan Akira (talk) 11:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm already try the new software, so far so good! It run smoothly on my machine. There is no corpus installation error and there is no add-on anymore... Moreover, the HTML text formatting, JavaScript along with the images are seen well... Well done guys. But I not tested any further... Let see if I encounter any other problem... Ivan Akira (talk) 12:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm back home from my conference and this morning I just did a download/install on my laptop - which has given me serious installation problems in the past - and everything went smoothly. This is a PC running XP, with an 80GB hard drive that is almost full (only about 5 GB left), and I think around 1GB of memory. The corpus took a while to install (maybe 20 minutes) but I could see the progress meter, so I wasn't worried that it had frozen. Looking good so far! Walkerma (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Mine was around 20 minutes as well, no install probs. Although, it isn't exactly transparent in explaining what to do with the corpus/application - i think most of us did educated guessing. JoeSmack Talk 16:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you all for the feedback and the benchmark install times. I tried again and received the same symptoms. Clearly, the problem is local to my PC. I'll load all of it on another PC I have available and then see if I can isolate the problem on the PC having the problem. Pknkly (talk) 04:08, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- On the other PC the install worked as well as it did for all of you. Went back to problem PC, deleted everything, rebooted, reloaded fresh copies of corpus and Okawix - no more problems. I'm sure I reset the cause of the original symptoms so the cause is gone and will remaine a mystery. Pknkly (talk) 14:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Can someone be kind enough to post screenshots of the program. Thanks, MahangaTalk 20:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Okawix skin I see that explorer titled skin for Okawix is nice, the colors are great, but how about creating a new skin that have a look and feel like encyclopedia or Wikipedia style? Or there is any guideline to make the skin by ourself? Ivan Akira (talk) 00:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC) - There's no really guidelines on how to write a new skin : each skin is a css file with a bunch of png files and are located in the chrome/skin folder. To create a new one, just create a new subfolder named after your skin name and add a line in chrome/chrome.manifest :
skin interfacewiki yourskinname skin/yourskinname/ Guillaumito (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC) - Oww... so that's how to add the custom skin... Maybe if I have time, I will tweak the skin... It looks interesting for me... Ivan Akira (talk) 06:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Are we supposed to be able to find any article using any index? An example - should I be able to find the article Chicago, Illinois in all three of the indexes? Pknkly (talk) 15:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC) Index by location for Americas, for United States - this seems incomplete. Only shows articles within the Mathematics section and they are all biographies of mathematicians. I was hoping to see a section on "Cities, towns, villages" within which I thought I would be able to find the article on Chicago, Illinois. Pknkly (talk) 15:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC) Is there a design spec for how the index was to be set up? At this point I don't know if I'm seeing a problem or if I'm trying to find something (e.g., the Chicago article) in a way that was not within the design. Pknkly (talk) 15:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC) - The indexes in this collection are very old versions, and Linterweb needs to compile new versions - they do know that. I think we're waiting for new ZIM files of the topical index. It's clear that the "by location" index in the current corpus is broken - most of the US content is missing! See the latest version of that page here, and you can see how big that page is! For Chicago under US/geography, we have Chicago, Chicago (2002 film), Chicago Board of Trade, Chicago Cubs, Chicago Loop, Chicago Marathon, Chicago River and Chicago metropolitan area. The topical index also needs fixing. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 19:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Content categories Since content categories are encyclopedic I expected to see them at the bottom or the end of the articles within Okawix. If it was to be there, it is not. If it wasn't within the design, was it considered and rejected? Pknkly (talk) 16:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC) I would love these. JoeSmack Talk 16:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC) [edit] Good things within and about Okawix - Very quick presentation of linked pages. Pknkly (talk) 16:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Fast search results. Pknkly (talk) 16:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Overall look of wikipages is intact w/images and infoboxes. JoeSmack Talk 16:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Bad things within and about Okawix - Clicking on refs sometimes brings you to the refs section sometimes not. JoeSmack Talk 16:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have some example of not-working ref links? Guillaumito (talk) 07:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- It was extremely common, look around. I presume it is a certain format of ref tagging that doesn't work. If you still can't find the problem i'll launch my app, but i got a ton of crap open right now and can't myself. JoeSmack Talk 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- No installation documentation, not very friendly even if there was. JoeSmack Talk 16:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- Are you talking about Okawix installation or adding content into Okawix? Btw... Okawix is designed so it can "embed" content in its installation; the idea would be to have a custom Okawix installer that would install both Okawix and the Wikipedia selection. Now we have a technical problem, nsis installer (and I guess other installer software as well) doesn't supports files larger than 2Gb so we have to find a way to workaround that limitation. Guillaumito (talk) 07:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm pretty much in the dark from the beginning. Installing the app was't too hard (although the installer could be friendlier with what/where it is install and explaining info briefly about the app), the corpus was the real weird thing to me. Couldn't double click the file, couldn't find how to load the file from within the application. Ended up dragging and dropping, hoping I was dragging it on the right application in the install folder. Then it just started loading for twenty minutes (no, 'would you like to blah? it'll take a while, yes/no?). Maybe the installer could have an after note about installing corpus files too. If you could include the app w/the corpus that'd be more idiot (me) proof. Besides that, a gentle readme would go miles. Also, computer requirements? JoeSmack Talk 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
- Interface is largely icon based (i mean, you can float over it i suppose) with no menu bar. JoeSmack Talk 16:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
- It really slows down my laptop to a crawl, so I'm guessing it's a memory hog - worse than having Firefox, Word and Acrobat all running simultaneously. That is a real issue if this is to be used in developing countries, where computers may have limited RAM. Walkerma (talk) 19:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Martin is right it sure slow down client computer. If we're using high-end processor and large space of RAM, we can't see any significat delay. Ivan Akira (talk) 03:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] New ZIM file After several trials, Kelson has finally been able to generate a new ZIM file. This should be the final version ready for publication. I've asked Linterweb to process it, so hopefully we should see what the final version looks like. Thanks to all! Walkerma (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC) - OK, we now have a (hopefully) FINAL version of the Okawix release. Could people please take a look? If you think it looks OK, we can go ahead and publish this. Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 06:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
- Okawix use Zeno file not Zim File, we have make zim to zeno file to work with okawix Pmartin (talk) 16:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- Linterweb is planning to publish the release in the New Year; apparently there wasn't enough time to get that done before the holidays. I'll update here once we have a firm date. Meanwhile, it would be good if people could consider what we need for Version 0.8. Walkerma (talk) 07:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] IRC on producing print versions of Wikipedia content We will be holding an IRC meeting with PediaPressto discuss production of books based on Wikipedia content. More specifically, we are interested in article collections designed by WikiProjects, for example "Chemical Elements" or "Atlantic Hurricanes since 2000" Please join us, especially if your WikiProject is interested in producing such a book. - Time
- Tuesday, October 20th, at 1600h UTC (noon US EDT).
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Walkerma (talk) I have a vague memory that "Comments" subpages were started by this WikiProject. If anyone can confirm or deny that, commenting at this discussion might be a good idea. I know that some of the worklists set up by this project for the various WikiProject assessment workflows trasnclude the comments subpages (unless I'm mixing up my assessment WikiProjects). I'll have a look in the talk page archives here. 18:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC) UPDATE: I found the old discussions here: 1, 2, 3 (May to July 2006). I'm going to take this back to the Village Pump discussion. If anyone else knows of any old discussions, please list them here or there. Carcharoth (talk) 18:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC) [edit] ArbCom election reminder: voting closes 14 December Dear colleagues This is a reminder that voting is open until 23:59 UTC next Monday 14 December to elect new members of the Arbitration Committee. It is an opportunity for all editors with at least 150 mainspace edits on or before 1 November 2009 to shape the composition of the peak judicial body on the English Wikipedia. On behalf of the election coordinators. Tony (talk) 09:37, 8 December 2009 (UTC) [edit] Beta test of new WP 1.0 bot The new version of the WP 1.0 bot is ready for some initial beta testing. More information is at User_talk:WP_1.0_bot/Second_generation#Beta_testing_2009-12-16, where any comments and suggestions will be deeply appreciated. — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC) - Excellent - thanks Carl! I know a lot of people have been waiting for this! Walkerma (talk) 02:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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