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I propose creating:

• {{Zagreb-stub}}
• Category:Zagreb stubs

This won't be the main stub type of a WikiProject per se, but Category:Stub-Class Zagreb articles is nevertheless quite populated. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 21:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• Support, though you may note that there is already a {{Zagreb-geo-stub}} for articles about places in Zagreb (districts, towns, geographic features). A separate stub type for features like buildings, historical and cultural features might make sense, though. Both templates could use the same category. Grutness...wha? 22:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• I wasn't aware of the geo-stub at the time of proposing this, but I concur with your suggestion. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 17:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• Support Absolutely, like city buildings etc. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 23:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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A split of Cat:Asian singer stubs, which is not oversized, but continues along the theme of splitting the Middle East from the larger Asian categories. It will contain at least 70 stubs between {{Iran-singer-stub}} and {{Israel-singer-stub}}. Also propose upmerged templates for appropriate countries which will feed into the category.--TM 16:07, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• Suppport -Would make sense especially as there are often a handful from the more obscure Middle Eastern countries. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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For publications related wholly or mainly to food and drink, such as the UK Good Pub Guide. -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 10:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• Any idea how many there are? Waacstats (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
  • No -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 15:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Catscan suggests at least 17 articles in both Cat:Magazine stubs and Cat:Food and drink stubs, and 8 in Cat:Book stubs and Cat:Food and drink stubs. Looks reasonably plausible for an upmerged template, at least - especially when you consider that articles like Good Pub Guide aren't counted in those counts (it only has {{Food-stub}}). Grutness...wha? 22:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Support as template, category iff it reaches 60. Waacstats (talk) 17:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
    • After a bit of thought, maybe this would be better as two templates - {{Food-magazine-stub}} and {{Food-book-stub}}, since we don't actually have a set template style for publications overall. It would make upmerging easier, too. Grutness...wha? 22:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
• Support upmerged templates for now; this will help prune Cat:Non-fiction book stubs as well. Pegship (talk) 04:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

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Just want to check if the following templates are okor not

• {{Kosovo-footyclub-stub}}
• {{IsleofMan-footyclub-stub}}

also does the IoM get upmerged to the UK cat or not. Waacstats (talk) 21:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Support, and no - the IoM isn't technically part of the UK - it gets upmerged into Europe, as do the Channel Islands. Grutness...wha? 22:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Well I didn't find any CI clubs so not creating template just yet. Waacstats (talk) 00:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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For a stub about a Finnish I found nothing better than the top level {{Finland-stub}} - I dunno if there's not enough demand for a {{Finland-novel-stub}} or {{Finland-book-stub}} but surely a generic {{Finland-literature-stub}} or {{Finland-literary-stub}} covering any topic related to books and comics (fiction and non-fiction) and literature in general could do? Current stubs article that would get covered include: The Year of the Hare, Seven Brothers, Alastalon salissa (novels), Thanks for the Book Award (literary prize), Myrkky (comics), Tähtivaeltaja (sci-fi magazine) 62.147.36.198 (talk) 18:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• The usual split for literature is by genre or type (novels, comics, magazines, etc.); there are only a couple sub-cats for countries/cultures and that's because there were a ton of them. I suggest you perm-cat them under Cat:Finnish literature and its sub-cats and use the genre stubs if they need stub cats as well. Pegship (talk) 22:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Should be around 60 in all now. Actually add Cat:Cambodian building and structure stubs to that. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Support per prior precedants. Waacstats (talk) 22:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
• Support, with query - do we use "Georgian" or "Georgian (country)"? Grutness...wha? 22:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Hadn't noticed that, it appears we do use Georgian (country). Waacstats (talk) 00:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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There are 180+ of these in reli-struct-stub, plus about as many again buried in the various church-stubs. It wd be useful to be able to separate them out. HeartofaDog (talk) 01:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Support -especially as it is in coordination with the other existing monastery stubs such as Buddhism-monastery-stub etc too Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Blofeld we already have a {{Buddhism-monastery-stub}}. The text for Church-stub says it is for "a church building or other Christian place of worship" so maybe those 'buried' in church-stubs should be there. Haven't thought this through fully but what if we had a Cat:Christian building stubs as parent to Cat:Church stubs and Cat:Christian monastery stubs would mean some clearing out of both reli-struct and church-stub but might make sense. Waacstats (talk) 14:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment: To clarify the overlap with church-stub - monastic churches often survive independently after their monasteries have been suppressed - so for accuracy many of these articles actually need both the church-stub AND the Christian-monastery-stub; but a monastery is not the same as a church.HeartofaDog (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I know! Read what I said; "Support because of the coordination with other monastery stubs like Buddhism-monastery stubs! I created that stub category remember. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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uppmerged template with more than 60 articles Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 23:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Would anybody support this given the often political conflict between Abkhazia and Georgia? Wouldn't it be like conflicting Northern with Southern Cyprus? I just came across a politician and it wasn't stub tagged. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

• I think they normally get tagged as Georgia-foo-stub and given the state of things at this time it is probably not worth it yet. Waacstats (talk) 21:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree - we don't generally have stub types of any kind for irredentist regions. While it can be argued that Abkhazia is a recognised subregion of Georgia and therefore has its own stub, we also tread warily of having bio-stubs for subnational regions. Given that you've found one stub, I suspect it's not worth the trouble. (If you suddently bfound 60, it might be another matter - might be, mind). Grutness...wha? 23:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh there are likely to be tens of stubs. I'll have a look. I just think it could potentially cause some difficulty at a later date -see the Vladislav Ardzinba article. If that article was stub and was marked as Georgia-politician-stub the "Abkhaz" politician would be outraged. Read the article he refers to Georgians as "them". See Category:Abkhaz politicians, not sure how many stubs we have but in coordination with the categories that exist for Abkhaz people including historian, linguists etc in Category:People from Abkhazia wouldn't seem unreasonable. Might I also point out that some articles like Nugzar Ashuba are categorised as Abkhazia-stub Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Should now be 60. Might want to check the naming convention though as at present I can see 3 different existing variations "Philippines stubs" Philippine ... stubs and Filipino ... stubs. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

• obvious support. Probably at Filipino after reading the article. Waacstats (talk) 21:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
• Support, but it really should be "Philippines"; "Filipino" is generally used for people. Pegship (talk) 00:13, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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three categories viable from upmerged templates

• Cat:Washington, D.C. building and structure stubs
• Cat:Oklahoma building and structure stubs
• Cat:Utah building and structure stubs

Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 10:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC) I'm astounded!!!! No Washington D.C. building stubs? Speedy all!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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The following two splits are viable based on upmerged templates

• Cat:Indian sports venue stubs - {{India-sports-venue-stub}}
• Cat:Singaporean building and structure stubs - {{Singapore-sports-venue-stub}} & {{Singapore-struct-stub}}

More countries likely to follow. Waacstats (talk) 14:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Possibly a daft question but should schools, Universities and airports be under struct stubs, some seem to be others aren't?. Waacstats (talk) 17:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd include them until we make individual stubs, like {{X-airport-stub}} then feed them into the category. I'd support creation of any upmerged templates which will make this easier.--TM 19:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Airports are considered as geo-stub rather than struct-stub subtypes since there's far more to an airport than just the buildings, but I've been putting all the recent museum-stub creations into B&S categories, and school, university, bridge, mall and hospital stubs should probably be there, too. Grutness...wha? 21:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed the spelling of those Singaporean "strucutres", BTW :) Grutness...wha? 07:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

add to these Cat:Taiwanese building and structure stubs and Cat:Iraqi building and structure stubs. Waacstats (talk) 23:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

And final ones on this pass are Cat:Korean building and structure stubs and Cat:Syrian building and structure stubs. Waacstats (talk) 10:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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Hello again guys. Here comes a rather controversial one. I have a list of pages that are related to Taiwanese politics. But, due to Legal status of Taiwan, should the stub cat. be named Cat:Taiwanese politics stubs or Cat:Republic of China politics stubs? The templates too: {{Taiwan-poli-stub}} or Template:ROC-poli-stub? Thanks impactF=_{check this} 02:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Taiwan. We don't tend to use the term "Republic of China" with stubs in general - and in this case it could refer to politics on the mainland between 1911 and 1949, which might confuse matters further. Grutness...wha? 03:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Support at Taiwan and Taiwanese as this is what we have used elsewhere. Waacstats (talk) 14:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes this seems to be the convention, but it has an always will be Taiwan in my view personally Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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I'm currently going through the paleontology stubs, splitting out the paleontological sites. I noticed while working that Cat:Geology stubs is pretty big - about 1200 stubs. It may be time to start considering doing the same for geology as for paleontology, and creating stub types for regional geological locations. I'd like to suggest the following, but they will need a LOT of discussion, I feel:

• {{Regional-geology-stub}} - Cat:Regional geology stubs
• {{US-geology-stub}} - Cat:United States geology stubs (if there are 60)
• {{Canada-geology-stub}} - Cat:Canadian geology stubs (if there are 60)
• {{Australia-geology-stub}} - Cat:Australian geology stubs (if there are 60)

These three countries in particular would trim out a large number of the regional geology stubs. Grutness...wha? 00:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Support the US/AUS/CAN types. Geology is not my area of expertise so bear with me, does Regional geology have a specific meaning or is it just a category for geology of specific places with out stating where that place is? Waacstats (talk) 14:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Judging by the permcat I'd say yes, but I'm no expert either (I've asked WP GEOL to weigh in if they wish). Rock formations, cratons, hotspots, outcrops, faultlines, things like that. Grutness...wha? 21:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Support. Regional geology does refer to the geology of a specific region - although rock units do not respect political boundaries. Maybe splitting by continents would be preffered(?), but do support the above stub regions. Vsmith (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I wondered about that, though there's nothing wrong with double-stubbing if necessary (same as we do with rivers and mountain ranges). There are enough Cat:Geology of Foo categories to suggest that a by-country split isn't too far-fetched. {{PRChina-geology-stub}} would be another useful one, BTW. Grutness...wha? 22:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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Another template at 60, suggest speedily creating.--TM 23:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Support based on numerous precedants, looks like some people have been busy with the African contents. Waacstats (talk) 14:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Should be near 100 stubs now if not more. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Support I count 139. Wow!--TM 22:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Speedy support. Waacstats (talk) 14:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Currently close to 800. Propose a Cat:European historian stubs populated by {{Nation-historian-stub}}, we already have 4 categories and three templates that could go here. Waacstats (talk) 14:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Strong support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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As above. Close to 800, propose a Cat:European architect stubs populated by {{Nation-architect-stub}}, we already have four cats and thirteen templates that could go here. Waacstats (talk) 14:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Strong support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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Can't remember the last time this was below 800, currently at 930, these may help a little bit

• {{US-aviation-bio-stub}} - Cat:United States aviation biography stubs
• {{US-food-bio-stub}} - Cat:United States food and drink biography stubs

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Strong support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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I have created another list of Taiwan stubs here, But I don't know which to use. Cat:Taiwanese rail stubs or Cat:Taiwan rail stubs? There are other rail stubs that are: Cat:Norwegian rail stubs and Cat:India rail stubs, should I use Taiwan or Taiwanese? impactF=_{check this} 06:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Support from here, too./ I'd go with Taiwanese, but it's a toss-up. We really should tidy up any cases where both styles are found, one way or the other (part of the reason we haven't is that some senior stub-sorters favour one way, some the other :). Grutness...wha? 23:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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We seem to have a hit and miss approach to parent categories for North America. In some cases, US, Canadian and Mexican categories are contained within a parent-only North America type (geo-stub and airport-stub types are examples of this). In others, there's no such parent. I'd like to propoise the addition of a North American parent-only type in any cases where there isn't one - especially on things like buildings and structures, museums, universities, etc. Grutness...wha? 00:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Should tidy up a few categories as well. Waacstats (talk) 00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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Propose the creation of Cat:Taiwanese film stubs and {{Taiwan-film-stub}}. I found 68 pages that can fit in the category. The list. Maybe there are more out there.... impactF=_{check this} 23:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Support - good to see someone tidying up all the Taiwan stubs :) Grutness...wha? 23:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Support Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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Propose a seperate template for Paralympic medalists as there are often different groups of editors (and I'm getting ready to post a load of articles on them). Catscan shows over 100 existing articles. Waacstats (talk) 20:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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Request speedy creation of this category. While the current upmerged count is slightly below 50, with the current split of baseball players by position and nearly 200 in Cat:Puerto Rican baseball players, I anticipate a category well over 60.--TM 15:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Support should easily be able to get up to size. Waacstats (talk) 16:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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{{Indonesia-struct-stub}} has 27 articles, {{Indonesia-sports-venue-stub}} has 57 propose above category, happy to go either way on a sports venue cat. Waacstats (talk) 12:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia's another one which would benefit from a {{Indonesia-museum-stub}}, too. Grutness...wha? 19:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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over 700 articles, I can't find any country over 60. Propose templates for all countries. Waacstats (talk) 09:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Support as non-controversial. —Borgarde 10:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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Articles under these cat and subcats are often marked with two/three stub templates. A new stub template for this will reduce that. Also, this will refine currently used Asian sports venue stub template, which is quite broad for so many pages. I can create this stub, but, I saw it in Asian stub template page that it should be discussed here first.--GDibyendu (talk) 04:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

if you mean something of the form of {{India-sports-venue-stub}} (similar to, say, {{Canada-sports-venue-stub}}), then I'd definitely support a template. It may have to be an upmerged type, though, unless there are a huge number of stubs that could take it. Grutness...wha? 04:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. That is exactly what I meant. If it looks a bit complicated, I would rather let others, who often create these stub templates, create this one rather than trying to do it by myself. I would rather help in adding the template in relevant pages.--GDibyendu (talk) 05:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

OK. Leave it for a few days to see if anyone else comments - if not I'll make the template (if there's no sign of me having made it by this time next week drop me a note on my talk page :) Grutness...wha? 07:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

There is an item on the [To create] list that suggests this is speediable, so I don't see the need to wait. Waacstats (talk) 09:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

As I have some spare time I'll make a start on it.Waacstats (talk) 10:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

And can know propose a Cat:Indian sports venue stubs as the template has 60 articles. Waacstats (talk) 10:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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The following templates have all reached 60 propose the respective categories

• {{France-botanist-stub}} - Cat:French botanist stubs
• {{US-ornithologist-stub}} - Cat:United States ornithologist stubs
• {{UK-ornithologist-stub}} - Cat:United Kingdom ornithologist stubs
• {{UK-entomologist-stub}} - Cat:united Kingdom entomologist stubs

Speedy create. Waacstats (talk) 00:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Excellent find, wow Waacs you're really doin a good job here. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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Baseball articles are annoying to sort because they are split by position and country. If we can combine these to templates like:

(Example of Japan)

• {{Japan-baseball-bio-stub}}
  • {{Japan-baseball-outfielder-stub}}
  • {{Japan-baseball-infielder-stub}}
  • {{Japan-baseball-pitcher-stub}}
  • {{Japan-baseball-designated-hitter-stub}}
  • {{Japan-baseball-manager-stub}}
  • {{Japan-baseball-business-bio-stub}}

This would be a lot better for the categorisation heirachy because each template could be upmerged into (for example Japan-baseball-outfielder) Category:Japanese baseball biography stubs and Category:Baseball outfielder stubs, instead of having two templates on pages like a lot currently have. Then when all the articles are sorted by country we would remove the outfielder stubs category if that's what's decided, if not, leave it in. All other sports I have found sort by country first, and then by position. This won't change anything else straight away either because you can still use {{baseball-outfielder-stub}} and have it categorised if need be.—Borgarde 06:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

An example of two templates can be seen here: Akihiko Ohya. This could be fixed by using {{Japan-baseball-manager-stub}} and reduce clutter. —Borgarde 06:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I think this is essentially a good idea. It should help get things sorted to the small by nationality categories (especially US category (127)), though we will almost certainly need new categories for each position for the US I don't envisage any for other countries at the moment. A number of categories are getting close to oversized so splitting out the americans will cut these down a bit. The pithcer stubs will, if the americans are split out, not need the dob split (the americans probably will). I would suggest doing this for each position for the US and Japan seeing how that goes and then maybe for other countries after that. In terms of position I see no reason not to have a full set down to indivudal positions i.e {{US-baseball-shortstop-stub}} but not designated hitter as we don't yet have a category for that. Waacstats (talk) 12:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I think US and Japan should be done yes, no other countries will need to be split. Is there a reason there isn't a DH stub template? Even if it's upmerged? —Borgarde 13:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Very good question re DH. I'm not to sure but based on what little knowledge I have of baseball my guess is that there are not that many career DH, I would have thought most people would have had a fielding position other than DH. I will need to read up on DH to decide if I would like to see a category for them. Waacstats (talk) 14:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

This might work, but realy I don't see the point for this. None of the categories are all that huge, so doing stuff like japan-catcher-stub just seems pointless to me. Just needless extra work. Wizardman 18:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to move on to some other task. Her Pegship (tis herself) 19:57, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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• {{Kerala-bio-stub}} : Cat:Kerala people stubs

{{Kerala-stub}} Cat:Kerala stubs and has already more than 60+ people stubs -- Tinu Cherian - 06:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. It is very rare for bio-stubs to be split by subnational region, the reason being that people move around a lot. bio-stubs are normally split by nationality and by occupation (in fact, the ones marked with Kerala-stub shouldn't be marked with it - they should be marked with whichever India-occupation-stub is most appropriate). Grutness...wha? 23:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

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This type of stubs are increasing. The links of many artistical creations and artists lead to stubs on information about the topic. they need to be earmarked as Art-Info-stub or something like that.

• Oppose. I don't think I've seen any stubs that could be considered under the rather ambiguous-sounding name of "Art information stubs" - there's no Cat:Art information either. Artistic creations and artists each have their own fairly comprehensive hierarchies of stub types in any case. Can you give us some examples of what you mean by "art information stubs"? Grutness...wha? 23:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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Yup - one week after a general Cat:Zanzibar stubs category, there are now 60 geo-stubs (and don't worry, this won't reduce the general stub category to a puny size). Speediable, no? Grutness...wha? 01:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

But ofcourse. Thanks Grutness for the hard work on Zanzibar! Tanzania-geo will soon need a split if anyone is up for it.--TM 03:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

It's amazing what you can do with two "List of..." articles full of redlinks and a Lonely Planet guidebook :) Grutness...wha? 04:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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I propose for both the creation of Cat:Taipei metro stubs and {{Taipei-metro-stub}}. I have a collection of pages that will fit in the stub category on this page. It's over 60 pages. impact=ma^{check this} 23:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

• Sounds reasonable, though it may be better as a country-wide type ({{Taiwan-metro-stub}} / Cat:Taiwan metro stubs). I don't know if places like Kaohsiungh have metros, but if they do, it might make some sense to group them together for the purposes of stub sorting. Grutness...wha? 23:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Actually Kaohsiung does have metro, it's just that it's only two stub pages regarding KMRT: Red Line, KMRT and Orange Line, KMRT. There is another page that's a stub: Taichung MRT. The other pages that are stubs are all from Taipei Metro. impact=ma^{check this} 04:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Support Grutness' wider scoped plan. Waacstats (talk) 17:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I agree. Let's create ({{Taiwan-metro-stub}} / Cat:Taiwan metro stubs).impact=ma^{check this} 02:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

• Wait. Do I create Cat:Taiwan metro stubs or Cat:Taiwan rapid transit stubs? What about {{Taiwan-metro-stub}} or {{Taiwan-rapid-transit-stub}}?? I'm confused. impact=ma^{check this} 06:30, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Mmm. Good question. There seems to be a mix'n'match of different types (perhaps we need to look at making these all uniform some time...). Most of them seem to have -metro- in the template name and "rapid transit" in the category name, so I'd go for {{Taiwan-metro-stub}}/Cat:Taiwan rapid transit stubs. Grutness...wha? 07:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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the following categories are all viable based on upmerged templates, sorry for the mix of cats

• Cat:Icelandic politician stubs - {{Iceland-politician-stub}}
• Cat:Bosnia and Herzegovina building and structure stubs - {{BosniaHerzegovina-struct-stub}} and {{BosniaHerzegovina-sports-venue-stub}}
• Cat:Andorran people stubs - {{Andorra-bio-stub}}, {{Andorra-politician-stub}}, {{Andorra-sport-bio-stub}} and {{Andorra-footy-bio-stub}}.

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• • Support all, speedily. Grutness...wha? 23:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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I know these two got turned down earlier but the upmerged templates are now over 60 so speedy the following:

• Cat:French figure skating biography stubs
• Cat:German figure skating biography stubs

Waacstats (talk) 14:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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Templates {{Oceania-mil-bio-stub}}, {{Australia-mil-bio-stub}} and {{NewZealand-mil-bio-stub}} have 60 articles between them. Propose category. Waacstats (talk) 23:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

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Catscan gives 60 stubs that could potentially use {{Iran-film-director-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Add to that a Cat:People's Republic of China film director stubs fed by {{PRChina-film-director-stub}} and {{HongKong-film-director-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Support much needed Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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we have {{SouthAfrica-musician-stub}} and {{SouthAfrica-singer-stub}} which combined have over 60 articles. Speedy create category? Waacstats (talk) 11:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Support speedying--TM 20:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

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Recent discoveries of unproposed paleontology stub subtypes (seeWP:WSS/D and WP:SFD) led to me noticing that there are over 1000 unsubcatted paleontology stubs. It looks like close to 200 of these are paleontological sites - beds, formations, +c. I think that this category could be reduced significantly by the addition of:

• {{Paleo-site-stub}} / Cat:Paleontological site stubs

...with the possibility of later splitting them further, either by location or by epoch. Any thoughts? Grutness...wha? 09:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

sounds like a sensible idea. Waacstats (talk) 09:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

(just corrected myself - standard naming for templates is paleo-, not paleontology-) Grutness...wha? 22:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

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Parent is oversized, this would already have 10 subcategories and 10 upmerged templates, propose we create the missing upmerged templates as well. I can't find any individual country over 60. Waacstats (talk) 09:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Existing upmerged templates would also give Cat:Asian painter stubs more than 60 articles so propose the same scheme for this one. Waacstats (talk) 20:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Strong support - well spotted Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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In an attempt to save an editor from making extra unnecessary work for himself and for the rest of us (see WP:SFD), I'd like to propose the following speediable stub templates. None of them appear to be close to threshold at present, but it's possible that some of them may come close:

• {{Russia-museum-stub}}
• {{Germany-museum-stub}}
• {{Netherlands-museum-stub}}
• {{Norway-museum-stub}}
• {{Finland-museum-stub}}

As is the usual case with such templates, ideally we'll end up with ones for each European country, but this will do as a starting batch - between them, it looks like they may well account for over half of Europe's museum stubs. Grutness...wha? 12:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Support. Honestly, I think any foo-x-stub is speediable, especially if it is for stub types which will continue to grow (like Russian museums). For example, I think what we did with Cat:African football biography stubs, where we just split by country for every country, is a wise idea.--TM 13:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Support, as well as a big template notice on Continent-wide stub-cats saying "do not create a template for this category", a thorough check of continent-wide stub categories so as to be sure that none of them are redlinked to templates, and better categorization of existing country stub templates under continent-wide categories. I will help fix my mistakes if necessary, and bear no ill will. Lithoderm 19:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

And none from this side either. For your other suggestions, BTW, the "don't create templates/subcategories" notice should in theory cover the templates (though it didn't in this case), and the regular checking of Special:Newpages and Special:Missing templates accounts for most of the rest (my daily check of newpages was how I found your Europe- template in the first place (and also why I seem to do a lot of nominating at SFD and reporting on the "Discoveries" page)). With the better organisation, as I mentioned before, there are only a few of us dedicated stub-sorter types around, and keeping the thousands of templates and categories in line is pretty near a full time task. Thomas, you'll be glad to hear that at least every country and "country-like region" now has a generic stub template and a geo-stub template, and they're all with standardised names and forms, though a handful of each are still below category threshold. Grutness...wha? 22:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, I will propose new templates in the future. I need to get to class now, but if you create the templates I will re-tag all of the article in the category tonight. Lithoderm 23:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Those five are ready for use. It won';t get rid of all the ones marked europe-, but it will get a lot of them. I'll try to help out with some from the main Cat:Museum stubs - see if we can get Germany at least close to the 60 for a separate category. Grutness...wha? 00:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

In other news, I'm starting work on a category banner to spell out the upmerging phenomenon here. Her Pegship (tis herself) 23:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

By the way, the country-yes, continent-no approach to stubs did not appear to apply to {{Europe-artist-stub}}, and artist stubs were my main area of experience prior to now. Should this be changed as well? Lithoderm 02:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

That's one of the older types i was talking about at SFD - dating from mid 2006. It's being slowly superseded by (currently 17) by-country types. That split is currently being worked on, and the number of articles using the base Europe-artist-stub should start to drop accordingly soon. Grutness...wha? 04:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Whoops... Forgot which stubs I was making, and accidentally also made a {{Italy-museum-stub}}. It would be a high use one anyway, so it's likely just as speediable as the others. Grutness...wha? 07:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Support all {{Foo-museum-stub}} for any country foo where we already have a continent level category. Waacstats (talk) 08:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

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This category lists stubs related to the Hunter Region of New South Wales, Australia. However, it's currently only doing a partial job. At this time there are 189 Hunter Region article stubs but only 141 are listed in the category. Cat:Hunter region geography stubs currently has three stub templates; {{LakeMacquarie-geo-stub}}, {{NewcastleNSW-geo-stub}} and {{PortStephens-geo-stub}} which correspond to Local Government Areas (LGAs) in the region. However, there are eleven LGAs in the region, meaning that eight LGAs are being missed, or rather, they are being listed under the general category Cat:New South Wales geography stubs, which has 800 articles listed. The simple solution, to enable capturing of all Hunter region stubs in the appropriate category, would seem to be creation of the eight missing templates but this, in my opinion, would be overkill. While there are potentially ~560 articles to be created in the currently unrepresented LGAs, the reality is that the vast majority of these will never exist as the articles are about non-notable, predominantly rural localities with extremely low populations. Therefore, there will probably never be more than 10 or so articles labelled with each template. There are a number of articles that cross LGAs and so could be labelled with more than one template, all of which do the same thing. It would be more appropriate to label such articles with a single template ({{HunterRegion-geo-stub}}), which currently does not exist. It should be noted that despite the creation of the individual LGA templates being originally discussed in December 2006,[1], there has been no need to actually create them in the two years since. A complete list of the Hunter region articles that I've identified is at User:AussieLegend/Hunter Region.

Based on the above, my proposal is that {{HunterRegion-geo-stub}} be created with existing templates converted to redirects, rather than creating templates for each LGA. This would be consistent with Cat:Central Coast, New South Wales geography stubs, Cat:Riverina geography stubs and Cat:Sydney geography stubs, which are other regions in NSW. Only Cat:Hunter region geography stubs and Cat:Illawarra region geography stubs have more than one template for the region. --AussieLegend (talk) 01:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

• Ideally, consistently going by LGA might be best, though i can understand the situation with non-notable redlinks. One possible solution might be to make one template ({{HunterRegion-geo-stub}}) with eight redirects to it, one for each LGA. That way, if there are a considerable number of stubs using any particular redirect, we can always break it out (remember that it's not just localities that use geo-stubs - things like rivers, hills, lakes, mountains and rock outcrops use them, too). Grutness...wha? 05:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't think non-localities are much of an issue. Most of the notable items already have articles. There is a dam, a couple of rivers and a water-works that don't. Other than that there are probably half a dozen other possible articles in the whole area. I never realised I lived in such a boring place until now. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

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This category would contain many of the stubs that are in the highly ambiguous Category:Art stubs. Articles on art materials, artistic techniques, and companies that manufacture art materials would be included. There are at least 60 stub-size articles that relate to this- most of them are already in Category:Art stubs, and some of them are in Category:Art materials. Here is a starting list, in approximate alphabetical order:

Opinions would be welcome. Thank you, Lithoderm 19:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems you're trying to concatenate two different areas here. An {{art-material-stub}} might well be a useful one and would be in line with the permcat at Cat:Art materials. Art techniques, I'm less sure of, especially since there is no equivalent permcat Cat:Art techniques). Mind you, there may be enough stubs for two separate categories (there are certainly quite a few you haven't mentioned here (including things like encaustic painting which isn't marked as a stub but is certainly borderline). Mind you, Cat:Art stubs has a relatively small number of stubs, so it doesn't really need any further splitting at the moment - one or two upmerged templates would allow for splitting later if the category blows out from its present small size (note that stub categories aren't normally a high priority for splitting until there are 800 or so unsubcategorised stubs). Grutness...wha? 23:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

There is the Category:Artistic techniques. Sorry, that was what I meant. Seems reasonable to me. I apologize for the misunderstanding with Category:book-art-stubs; I was unfamiliar with upmerged stub templates and assumed that it was incorrectly formed. I would still prefer that the category be kept, but that's a matter for another page... Lithoderm 23:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah right - the art/artistic difference in category names threw me. I'd say two separate upmerged templates would be reasonable then, with separate categories for each of them if they (individually) reach 60 stubs. As to the book art stubs category, looks likely to be kept after your work in getting it up to 60. It had stayed at around 20 for so long that it didn't look like it was likely to get close to threshold, which was the main reason I nominated it. (Sorry if I sound grumpy with this sort of thing... stub template patrolling is a bit like trying to get 3000 ducks all in a row and it's easy to lose patience even with good faith additions to it!) Grutness...wha? 01:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it would be difficult to decide which template to use in that case. Most of the time, the object that is used is an art material, and its use is an artistic technique: for example, encaustic paint is an art material, but encaustic painting is a technique. Some artistic techniques are not linked to a specific material, like Frottage, but others are. There is also a fuzzy line between a technique, which describes the way the art is made, and observational/compositional principles, like curvilinear perspective. There is no real article on wikipedia to explain what exactly an artistic technique is, and Art techniques and materials redirects to List of art materials. I suppose something should be written on the subject first... Lithoderm 03:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Yup - I can understand that completely (though with my usual day job I normally just stick to acrylic, canvas, gesso, and stretchers :). Surely some indication would be given by which permanent category each article is in, though, and also the wording or the article, and whether it stresses the material or its application. The other option is to consider nominating the two permanent categories for a merger at WP:CFD, though it may not be popular with all those editors involved in the area, and would probably need to be run past Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts first to see whether such a merger makes sense. Grutness...wha? 09:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

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{{Zanzibar-stub}}, {{Zanzibar-bio-stub}}, {{Zanzibar-politician-stub}}, {{Zanzibar-geo-stub}} add up to above 60, so suggest creating Cat:Zanzibar stubs while maintaining the upmerge into the existing categories.--TM 17:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Support. Hadn't realised wwe had separate stub types for Zanzibar, though it makes sense (another geo-stub to try to get up to speed...sigh). Grutness...wha? 23:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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This category is almost exactly at 60 stubs, so I propose a category when it reaches the magic number, which will probably be later today. Should this be the name?--TM 18:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

• Support. List_of_adjectival_forms_of_place_names suggests "Central African biography stubs", but given that Central Africa is used as one of Africa's five regions, your proposal sounds less ambiguous. Grutness...wha? 23:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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I think this is an obvious one. I've had two places I could have used it recently, one just now for Skeds and the other for an article a couple of weeks ago Rare CPUs (which has been deleted, but it was meant to be a hobby page). Possibly {{pastime-stub}} could also be created and redirect to it. —Largo Plazo (talk) 04:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

A hobby-stub was proposed sometime way back when (rummages through the archive) in February 2006. Though some of the same comments still apply (i.e., many of the things that could be marked with it already have others tub types), it may be worth it as a catch-all. A category (at Cat:Hobby stubs, to match Cat:Hobbies) would be a reasonable parent for subcategories like Cat:Post and philately stubs, too. Grutness...wha? 05:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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On a bit of a roll here... another one bites the dust. 60 stubs - speediable. Grutness...wha? 22:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

By the way, have we gone back to the bad old days of needing to do null-edits to get things in categories? There are still some categories I made in mid-December that haven't filled themselves... Grutness...wha? 22:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Speedy category. As for cats not filling up I'm not that up on the inner workings of wiki but I know the job queue is reletivly high and has been since before christmas so that may have something to do with it. Waacstats (talk) 11:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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For each country of Europe that doesn't have it's own stub sub-category (Portugal, Greece, Albania, Slovenia, etc, etc). Almost to mirror its sister category Cat:European film director stubs Lugnuts (talk) 15:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• Seems plausible, however I remember some trouble not long ago over films by nationality, maybe someone else can refresh my memory on that. Waacstats (talk) 22:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheers - I'll raise the question at WT:FILM to see if it jogs anyone's memory. Lugnuts (talk) 12:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I have a feeling it was related to stub cats (I don't spend much time on films so here is the most likely place I came across it.) Waacstats (talk) 10:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it may have been a "nationality or language?" thing - Are Cat:French film stubs films from France, or films in French? there's also the question of what nationality a film is if it's filmed in Australia with an English director, Canadian actors, and US financial backing. There's a truckload of possible links at Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Film_stubs which might lead to earlier debates of this sort of split, but right now I haven't the time to go through them. Perhaps someone else is bored enough to trawl...? Grutness...wha? 10:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

In the case of the French stubs, from my understanding, it's the country the film is from, rather than the language. Take the Argentine stubs as an example - the language is usually Spanish, but are stubbed as Argentine films. Basically, I wanted this stub to be created to ensure that these films don't get dumped into the general film-stub category. Lugnuts (talk) 12:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Film stub types are by country of origin (i.e. country in which the production company is located) with the exception of the vast Cat:Indian film stubs, which contains some language stub types. Support parent cat Cat:European film stubs with upmerged templates for any country with existing film stub articles. Her Pegship (tis herself) 20:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:French films: I know that and you know that, but it's not likely to be obvious to everyone using stubs casually unless things are carefully worded. We do have some "by language" film splits (notably for India), so it could get messy unless we box cleever. Grutness...wha? 23:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Another speediable one - 61 stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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Purely organizational. An umbrella for the relevant country stub cats and corral for existing regional cats/templates like Cat:Southeast Asian history stubs, {{SEAsia-geo-stub}}, {{SEAsia-studies-bio-stub}}, Cat:Southeast Asian Games stubs. (Corresponding {{SEAsia-stub}} would be nice but I haven't seen much use for it.)  • Lainagier • talk • 23:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems sensible, though one or two of the templates you mentioned are no longer used since we now have specific by-country ones (it's a long time since much used {{SEAsia-geo-stub}}, for instance). Don't think there's much need for the SEAsia-stub template, but there's nothing to stop this being a parent-only type category. Grutness...wha? 01:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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{{Ghana-footy-bio-stub}} is already well developed but other templates would be useful. Propose sport templates {{Ghana-basketball-bio-stub}}, {{Ghana-athletics-bio-stub}} and any other needed to sort. Propose Cat:Ghanaian sportspeople stubs when the category is above 60.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 18:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• Support. I would also agree to the category at 50 given that Cat:Ghanian football biography stubs already has 200+ articles. Waacstats (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Upmerging templates now show 58 articles, speedily upmerging seems to be in order.--TM 22:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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{{Micronesia-geo-stub}} is now used on 60 articles. Speediable... Grutness...wha? 01:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

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Per this SFD discussion, the idea of a basic stub type for orienteering would seem to be a useful idea.

• {{Orienteering-stub}} / Cat:Orienteering stubs

CatScan suggests it will very easily reach threshold (30, given that there's a Wikiproject), so a speediable category would make sense. There is also very good cause for a separate {{Orienteering-bio-stub}} and Cat:Orienteering biography stubs, with some 300 eligible stubs! Grutness...wha? 23:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• I think that Finland, Norway and Sweden are close enough for -bio- templates, categories if they are over 60. I'm Waacstats not 149.254.224.145 (talk) 15:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

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{{Africa-rail-stub}} has gone over 60 thanks to a host of creations by Dr. Blofeld, so recommend a speedy creation of the category.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 20:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

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Already used on 59 articles despite being a red link, propose we speedy the template, but do we upmerge to Cat:West Pomeranian geography stubs or give it it's own category. Waacstats (talk) 17:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Speedy the template. 59's borderline - I'm happy either way - though if kotbot hasn't made 60, it may be difficult to get a 60th! Grutness...wha? 22:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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Let's start the year with a surprising one. Believe it or not, {{Pitcairn-stub}} and {{Pitcairn-geo-stub}} are, between them, used on 60 articles. About time for a speedily created Cat:Pitcairn Islands stubs! Grutness...wha? 05:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Would have been a nice to place to have started the new year rather than here. By the way - speedy support. Waacstats (talk) 16:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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