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[edit] Proposing new stub types - procedure
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If you wish to propose a new stub category and template, please follow these procedures: - Check the List of stub types or under Cat:Stub categories to make sure that your proposed new stub does not already exist.
- List it at the top of the current month's section, under a header, like the ones shown (if any). Sign it with a datestamp (~~~~).
- Please bear in mind that a stub category isn't about the importance or notability of the topic!
- Find a good number[1] of stub articles, as many as you can, that will fit that template. You may use this tool to scan through categories. Each of these articles can be:
- currently marked with {{stub}};
- currently marked with another type of stub tag (in which case you should justify why your tag is better for the article than the current one);
- a stub whose categorisation is highly ambiguous or questionable;
- not marked as a stub.
- Others may do the same, if they so desire.
- 5 days after listing it here, if there is general approval or no objection, go ahead and create the new category and template following the format on Wikipedia:Stub. List the new stub type on the stub types list in an appropriate section. If consensus is not clear, or discussion is still ongoing, the proposal will remain open until consensus can be reached.
- If you wish to propose a stub type which does not currently have 60 articles that could use it, you may propose an upmerged template in a similar way. An upmerged template would feed into currently existing stub categories until such time that there are enough stubs for a separate stub category. At that point a category for it may be separately proposed.
DO NOT place a proposal here for any stub type which has already been created and is being discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries or Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The proposal page is only for stub types that have not yet been created, and it is better to keep any discussion of such stub types in one place rather than splitting it between different pages. ^ . Good number means about 60 articles or more, or 30 or more if it is the primary stub type of a WikiProject, though this figure may vary from case to case. |
[edit] "Speedy creation"
A stub type may be proposed for "speedy creation" if it meets one of the following criteria:
- S1 - the creation of a category for which an approved upmerged template already exists and is now in use on more than 60 articles.
- S2 - the creation of an upmerged national-level template for a subject in which other such national-level templates currently exist (e.g., X-bio-stub, X-hist-stub, or X-geo-stub, where X is the name of an internationally widely recognised country) or other instances where a clearly established pattern of similar subtypes exists. The proposed topic may not be controversial in scope.
List speedy creation proposals in the same proposal listings as normal stub proposals below.
[edit] Proposals, November 2009
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[edit] NEW PROPOSALS
[edit] Stub Type: iTunes Albums
This is a semi-proposal for general discussion - a new stub type might not really be needed. iTunes is releasing special compilations of audio files that could be considered albums, some of which are starting to appear in their own WP articles. Here are some examples:
Bob Dylan: The Collection
The Complete Stevie Wonder
There is no corresponding stub type for this in the Albums section of the stub sorting list. A new stub type might be necessary... IF nobody categorizes a stub article under the appropriate genre or other subcategory. Then a new stub type of this nature wouldn't be necessary. On the other hand, we can probably assume that iTunes will expand this new marketplace, which might give us many new articles requiring accurate stub classification rather than just "Album" which is disdained by Wikipedia: WikiProject Albums. Consider this to be a "what if" proposal for a new stub type that may or may not be necessary depending on how things turn out. Doomsdayer520 (talk) 14:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- ISTR we do have {{Compilation-album-stub}}, which would probably cover this, at least until such time as there are enough of these to consider something separate, and then it might be better to split the compilations by genre than by means of distribution or medium. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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- I can agree with that. Separate stubs for compilations by genre would be a good idea, but we can wait until some sort of critical mass is reached at Wikipedia: WikiProject Albums. Thanks for your input. Doomsdayer520 (talk) 09:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Category will contain 65 stubs as of a count just now with obvious room for much expansion.--TM 13:51, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- Nods. Is this covered by existing by-nation or by-continent templates? Grutness...wha? 23:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- Lebanon, Iran, the Philippines, China and Turkey all have their own templates. Some are still covered by the Asia- stub. We also need to be create a double-upmerged {{Israel-basketball-team-stub}} for the Europe and Asia categories. Turkey would also be double-upmerged.--TM 23:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Proposals, October 2009
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Encompassing category which would be home to around 100 stubs and several subcategories. Speediable?--TM 00:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Seems to be somewhere around 200 articles tagged with {{NewHampshire-NRHP-stub}}, and more are being created; perhaps it's time to break the category out into one of its own. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support; it's viable. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Through some serious recent expansion, this category contains just a hair under 1,000 articles and exactly 0 templates. Propose speedy creation of templates for the 36 States of Nigeria with the expectation that all 36 will soon have enough for categories of their own.--TM 20:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support, with the caveat that some may need dabbigh (e.g., {{EdoNG-geo-stub}}, since Edo's also the former name of Tokyo) The following would probably be the correct names for templates:
- I'd also support categories (in the form Cat:Foo State geography stubs) for any that reach 60. Grutness...wha? 23:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support plenty of missing LGAs too. Himalayan 13:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Comment The sooner we create the templates and notify the creator of the hundreds of new articles, the easier the sorting job will be.--TM 13:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Meant to earlier, but forgot, sorry. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
A quick scan reveals 70-odd articles tagged with {{Austria-painter-stub}} - time for the cat to be made? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
That is speediable.. Himalayan 22:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I propose the creation of {{Bulgaria-company-stub}}, upmerged to Cat:European company stubs and Cat:Bulgaria stubs. Likewise {{Albania-company-stub}}, upmerged to Cat:European company stubs and Cat:Albania stubs. -- Eastmain (talk) 00:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC) A while back I proposed to create company templates by country.... I never know what gets done around here anymore.... Himalayan 22:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Not desperately needed yet, with some 460 stubs, but it's probably worth splitting these, either by location or type of telescope (radio/optical). Given that a considerable number of observatories have both radio and optical equipment, it's probably best to split by country. The following is already category-worthy, and would greatly reduce the load in the main category:
No others have more than a dozen or so stubs, so a split by continent (possibly with by-country templates) seems more appropriate elsewhere - although many of these stubs aren't in the appropriate category in the Cat:Astronomical observatories by country tree. Note, BTW, the addition of the word "astronomical" in the category title - this matches the parent permcat, and I've nominated Cat:Observatory stubs for renaming at SFD to match it. Grutness...wha? 00:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
China garden stub. Cat:Asian garden stubs Starzynka (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
- That would be {{PRChina-garden-stub}}, not PRC-. Support as an upmerged type. We may haqve problems at some point with a category name given that "Chinese garden" is a specific type of garden. As such, it would probably be better to use "Foo garden stubs" rather than "Fooian garden stubs" for individual country category names, but that's definitely open to debate. Grutness...wha? 00:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
...is currently empty. However, I've noticed a number of new articles on Cambodan films coming down the pike. CatScan reveals 32 articles of 2000 bytes or less in Category:Cambodian films. Furthermore, there are 26 in Category:Thai films, 37 in Category:Indonesian films, and 16 in Category:Malaysian films. Might I suggest the following?
All uploading into Cat:Asian film stubs for the moment. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Well spotted, definate support. Himalayan 13:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
750 stubs, oversized. Create templates by Districts of Serbia?
I'd recommend a category split by statistical region although like Bulgaria and SLovenia I think they are informal historical regions:
Again a little bit of detective work will be needed to organize this way.
Himalayan 13:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Category contains just under 800 articles. Suggest creating upmerged stubs which feed into continental categories, e.g. Cat:African government stubs etc. Thoughts?--TM 16:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
In fact I would go as far to make a bold proposal of creating templates by every country and upmerging regionally, beginning with Cat:African government stubs etc. I'd support say a {{Nigeria-government-stub}} etc and upmerge. Himalayan 13:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Yea, that is what I meant. Seeing no objections, I'll begin this large project.--TM 17:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Support, you don't know this Rosie but one of those articles is about my aunt.. Himalayan 13:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Very cool :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
No Chinese railway tag?Starzynka (talk) 20:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- {{PRChina-rail-stub}} and {{Taiwan-rail-stub}} would be the names for two potential stubs ("China" on its own is only used for history-related stub types with lots of pre-1949 articles). The Taiwan one exists, but one for the mainland would be useful, IMO, even if only as an upmerged type. Grutness...wha? 22:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
There seem to be plenty of these dotted around the various geology, regional geology, and geography categories. Certainly enough for a template, and probably enough for a category. Note the naming is a little diffuicul;t - the article is at Palaeogeography, but the permcat is at Cat:Paleogeography. A redirectto the template seems useful, but if a category is needed its name may pose a problem (I personally support following the article name, but that's probably largely my Commonwealth English bias). Grutness...wha? 22:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- this suggests that there are plenty for a category. Grutness...wha? 23:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Based on the CatScan link, support the template. Looks like there's enough for a cat so if >60 pgs, then support the cat, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Looks viable Himalayan 21:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Done. I've also created a further redirect from palaeo-geo-stub, which I suspect will be useful. Grutness...wha? 00:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support the Canada one; support the US one iff we are splitting by faith, which IIRC we are. Grutness...wha? 22:27, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
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Yes support both templates. Checking over at CatScan, the US one will be around 99, so support a cat if it does exceed 60. Not sure that the UK one will exceed 60 yet. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC) I'm confused... what articles would fall under {{US-RC-church-stub}}? vs. the newly created (see below) {{US-RC-parish-stub}} as its template states it is about "Roman Catholicism in the United States" so even cathedrals/chapels/monasteries, which aren't typically parish churches, fall within the latter's scope. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Possibly silly question... isn't the Anglican faith called Episcopalian in the US? Or are they slightly different? Grutness...wha? 00:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Not a silly question. The Episcopal Church (United States) is part of the Anglican Communion. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Regarding {{US-anglican-church-stub}}, currently an upmerge, was there ever a consideration for naming it {{US-episcopal-church-stub}}? Seems to me that the stub template needs renaming before a stub cat is created so I've redacted the proposed United States Anglican church stubs cat... though a cat is viable, in my mind, this needs more discussion. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
For general articles related to Ladakh. Might be viable for Cat:Ladakh stubs we'll see.. Himalayan 11:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Would a {{Ladakh-geo-stub}} also be useful? Grutness...wha? 22:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, there can be merged into the parent cat until viable. Himalayan 10:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I've started working on Template:Malla rulers and is needed for this and other Nepalese royalty stubs. Need a template like {{India-royal-stub}}.
- An upmerged template would certainly make some sense -we have about a dozen royals marked with {{Nepal-bio-stub}}, if CatScan is any judge. I doubt there'd be near enough for a separate category yet, though. Grutness...wha? 04:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support upmerged template, category only if 60 are stubs. Waacstats (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ditto. Support upmerge template; and cat when there are 60. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Same here. Eastmain, please be aware that stub categories are normally only split when they reach around 800 stubs - 210 is almost the perfect number of articles for a stub category, and categories shouldn't exist if there are fewer than 60 stubs except in rare circumstances. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I proposed Africa school templates a while back. Support all school templates, split by region eventually when viable... Himalayan 11:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support upmerged template Waacstats (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ditto support. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ditto, template only. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support upmerged template Waacstats (talk) 17:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ditto support. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- As above. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I proposed Uganda-school-stub last month. Didn't anybody here remember? Himalayan 11:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- Nah - no-one listens to anything you say ;) Seriously, there are so many proposals here it's very difficult to keep track of them all, so the occasional double-proposal is inevitable. Grutness...wha? 23:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Create provincial templates for Bulgaria
Cat:Bulgaria geography stubs 655 articles but many missing villages red linked ready for starting by province. I'd recommend creating templates by province and then upmerging into regional categories.
- Templates for:
Blagoevgrad · Burgas · Dobrich · Gabrovo · Haskovo · Kardzhali · Kyustendil · Lovech · Montana · Pazardzhik · Pernik · Pleven · Plovdiv · Razgrad · Rousse · Shumen · Silistra · Sliven · Smolyan · Sofia City · Sofia Province · Stara Zagora · Targovishte · Varna · Veliko Tarnovo · Vidin · Vratsa · Yambol
Regional categories based on ordering on the guide bulgaria site:
Himalayan 21:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- Looks like a good idea, do any of the provinces need disambiguating and which ones go where. Waacstats (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- ISTR there's somewhere else called Montana somewhere :) Of the others, I think Varna may need dabbing... not sure about the others, but a search using Special:PrefixIndex should find any. BG is the dabbing code, BTW, so we'd be looking at {{MontanaBG-geo-stub}} and similar. Grutness...wha? 00:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
This is my proposal for Roman Catholic parish stub.
{{asbox |image = BasilicaExterior.jpg |pix = 40x25 |subject = |qualifier = on a [[:Category:Roman Catholic parishes in the United States]] |category = Roman Catholic Church stubs |tempsort = |name = Template:RC-US-parish-stub }} --WlaKom (talk) 16:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- Swap to {{US-RC-parish-stub}} and change the qualifier to something like Roman Catholic parish in the United States and i think we are there. Waacstats (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
{{asbox |image = BasilicaExterior.jpg |pix = 40x25 |subject = |qualifier = on a [[Roman Catholicism in the United States|Roman Catholic parish in the United States]] |category = Roman Catholic parishes in the United States |tempsort = |name = Template:US-RC-parish-stub }} But I don't know how to do it. Every time I try, I make article:-((
- On the other hand, all parishes will be in one category, and I would like to be separated by state. --WlaKom (talk) 19:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Normally we wait 5 days before creating, if you need halp creating after that then let me know on my talk page and I'll see what I can do (I am on holiday so may not have connection but will get round to it sometime soon. Waacstats (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- I've tweaked the qualifier above. I support this basic template, but NOT a by-state split. At the moment there are fewer than 200 articles in total in Cat:Roman Catholic parishes in the United States and its subcats - a separate cstub ategory for US RC parishes is probably viable, but we're nowhere near close to a by-state split. Grutness...wha? 22:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
- Agree with User:Grutness to make stub with suggested changes only.--WlaKom (talk) 09:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Create Bolivian department templates and possible split
Judging by how many articles we have currently and those articles being created this is best done now.. We have 500 and something Bolivian geogrpahy stubs at present so category split is not desperate yet, but pre ordering by department and region maybe would seem sensible. Himalayan 21:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support templates, assuming no mistakes besides the two spaces I deleted before -geo-stub, categories if they go over 60 and given there are only 9 so some of these will, categories of the form Cat:Beni Department geography stubs to follow article and category. Waacstats (talk) 21:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking... Himalayan 21:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Thanks forcorrecting my mistake Waacstats (talk) 21:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- I suggest a few more (Beni, Potosi, etc.), perhaps all of them, should also include the country (BL) identifier such as SantaCruzBL-geo-stub does. Doublechecking for "Beni", "Potosi", etc. I find that multiple other countries have localities with the same name. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:47, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- Unless these are all in Saint-Barthélemy, I'd suggest changing those codings from BL to BO, which is the ISO code for Bolivia! We've already got a load of Virginia stubs listed as being in the Virgin islands, let's not confuse things further with these :) Grutness...wha? 23:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I would like to create a new "stub" for the Roman Catholic parishes founded by Polish immigrants in the U.S. since 1880. Something like this:
{{asbox |image = Moczygemba.jpg |pix = 40x25 |subject = |qualifier = on a [[:Category:Polish-American Roman Catholic parishes in the United States|Roman Catholic parishes]] founded by Polish immigrants |category = Roman Catholic Church stubs |tempsort = |name = Template:RC-Pol-parish-stub }} I started from the parishes included in the table Polish-American Roman Catholic parishes in New England Could you help me?--WlaKom (talk) 13:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
- Seems like a very odd way to split stubs, to be honest (and certainly the proposed name looks very non-standard). Not quite sure how we'd proceed with this one, since parishes are split primarily by country. Considering the number of stubs there are for US RC parishes in general, perhaps a US-RC-parish-stub would suffice? Grutness...wha? 00:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- Of course, the "US RC parishes" stub is also needed, but I am thinking about, very specific, base on ethnicity stub. There are about 500 parishes in US founded by Polish immigrants and I would like to invite people who have knowledge about Polish immigrants to help expend articles. The name could be change, it is just proposal. I don't have any experience to create stub.--WlaKom (talk) 07:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Not sure this is the right way to go, I agree with grutness that the normal split would be by country and then in terms of the US by state, we don't even have a {{RC-parish-stub}}. Also a question is someone with an interest in a polish immigrant church in NY more likely to know about other polish immigrant churches across the US or other RC churches in NY? Waacstats (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- Agree to make also {{RC-parish-stub}} for all parishes in US.--WlaKom (talk) 07:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- I agree a {{RC-parish-stub}} would be a good idea for all RC parishes and probably a {{US-RC-parish-stub}} for all parishes in the US. Waacstats (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- Close I would like to close this project about separate stub for Polish parishes is USA, because it doesn't make sense to create extra stub. It is much easier to categorize manually.--WlaKom (talk) 19:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Parent category would be Category:Palestinian organizations. See Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs, Palestinian Hydrology Group as typical stubs that would fit. Many other countries have -org-stub categories. -- Eastmain (talk) 07:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support template {{Palestine-org-stub}}, category if we have 60 articles relating to organizations in Palestine as opposed to orgs in foreign countries supporting Palestine and some how make clear in the template that this is the case. Waacstats (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Becoming oversized nearing 800. Split by department? Himalayan 15:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
- A start seems to have already been made on this one with templates by department and categories by region - there are six regions). I'd support continuing with that scheme (assuming the regions are official, which they seem to be), with subcats for any department with over 60 stubs. Grutness...wha? 22:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
- I thought this was already in the pipeline so speedy support. Waacstats (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
This new category is currently at 858 articles and growing as I'm only midway through stub tagging US garden articles.
Support. Anything we missed Grutness? Himalayan 15:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Support converting (moving?) Australia-botanical-garden-stub to Australia-garden-stub, and the creation of UK-garden-stub. Both upmerges 'til they're >60. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Support all above proposals. Waacstats (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
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- Note change in category name from Japanese-garden-stub to Japan-garden-stub to clarify the country and avoid ambiguity with the garden style known as the Japanese garden which has category Cat:Japanese gardens. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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63 stubs. Batna geography stubs or Batna Province geography stubs? Himalayan 15:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Article and Category are at Batna Province and Cat:Batna Province so go with Cat:Batna Province geography stubs. Waacstats (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Hamburg stub sorting
Sorting Germany by state, here especially Hamburg and trying to improve the coverage of Hamburg (although I'm trying to bring articles at least to start class—maybe later introducing a Hamburg task force), I propose the creation of a parent stub : {{Hamburg-stub}} (This Hamburg-related article is a stub.) as a parent to {{Hamburg-geo-stub}} {{Hamburg-U-Bahn-stub}}, child to {{Germany-stub}}, sorting into the Category:Hamburg stubs (parent: Category:Germany stubs, Category:Hamburg)
And the creation of
- {tl|Hamburg-bio-stub} (This Hamburg biographical article is a stub.) (Parents: then created Hamburg-stub, existing {{Germany-bio-stub}}; child: then created Hamburg-politician-stub.)
- {tl|Hamburg-politician-stub} (This article about a Hamburg politician is a stub.) parents: then created Hamburg-bio-stub, existing {{Germany-politician-stub}}. As Hamburg is a German state comparable to US states (and former independent and sovereign), I propose this subnational stub, especially for all historic politicians (and other) not covered by the current German party stubs.
- {{Hamburg-struct-stub}} (This article about a building or structure in Hamburg is a stub.) to sort building and structure articles out of the {{Hamburg-geo-stub}} (parents: then created Hamburg-stub, existing {{Germany-struct-stub}}).
Thanks. Sebastian scha. (talk) 09:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- I support {{Hamburg-stub}} and {{Hamburg-struct-stub}} (and the same should probably exist for all German states) - but I'm less certain of the politician-stub, and would oppose a bio-stub. Bio-stubs are not that often used for sub-national regions - it makes more sense much of the time to divide by nationality then occupation. Grutness...wha? 23:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
- Support {{Hamburg-stub}} and {{Hamburg-struct-stub}}. Oppose politician and bio though. We go by party and nationally. Himalayan 11:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
- Strong support. I've created a good number myself.--TM 15:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
- Changing from Support to Comment/Question at the moment as was wondering if there were enough African geo stub articles to create stub templates by some of the African countries? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
- Possibly. Dams arre a bit confusing because they can be marked as either struct-stubs or geo-stubs, depending on whether the articles are primarily about the dams or the lakes that are formed by them. It's quite likely there'd be enough for country templates, though I doubt any would have enough for a separate category. Grutness...wha? 00:25, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Proposals, September 2009
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[edit] Create new stub templates for Greek prefectures
Massive amount of stubs for Greece means that it would be wise to create new templates by Prefectures of Greece. Many are currently viable (not 100% certain) like Category:Cities, towns and villages in the Arcadia Prefecture for {{Arcadia-geo-stub}} and Cat:Arcadia geography stubs. I would strongly recommend creating these templates and resorting them from regional where viable, Greece gets pretty much a headache organizationally. The thing is a lot of them a borderline start class articles so I'm uncertain as to whether or not they should be stub tagged. Either way I still think we should create prefecture templates. Himalayan 22:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Viable per Catscan. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
- I misread the proposal. I support the templates although garden-stub would be simpler but I don't think there is a need to split a stub category which only as 275 stubs. We normally consider around 800-850 + to be oversized. 275 stubs in one category is perfectly manageable... Himalayan 10:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. There are better ways these could be split, and in any case, with only 200 stubs Cat:Horticulture stubs is probably better not split. If it was to be split, a plain {{garden-stub}} covering both would make more sense. Rosiestep, these weren't speediable and there's a delay period before creating these things for a reason. Please don't make more work for everyone by ignoring it! Grutness...wha? 23:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
- By explanation, very few stub class botanical gardens and arboretum articles are tagged with a stub template of any sort. A few had the horticulture-stub template on them which is why I proposed Split of Cat:Horticulture stubs, though I could just as well have proposed Split of Cat:Botany stubs as a few (much fewer, actually) of these articles had the Botany-stub template. A few only had a geo-stub template. However, most of the stubs didn't have any stub template at all. I did viability research by running Catscan on Cat:Botanical gardens and Cat:Arboreta. The reasons I created the Australia-botanical-garden-stub template is that there are were several stub articles already created, and about 60 redlinks for additional articles; it had been my intention to create those redlinked articles this week. I thought that US-botanical-garden-stub would be appropriate, too So having explained the reasons for my actions, let's move on to your suggestion: {{garden-stub}}; I'm fine with that. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:54, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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- Fair enough. Sorry to have seemed hasty with this and the SFD for the Aussie one - but it did seem pretty premature based on current numbrs (which is what we always go by here - not future numbers), especially since the Aussie one hadn't been proposed. Grutness...wha? 23:42, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- It seemed like double-work to go through all the Cat:Botanical gardens and Cat:Arboreta articles, tag the stub-class ones with {{horticulture-stub}} and then propose the split. But if I had done this to begin with, I could have given an accurate count, so maybe the double-work would have been worth it. I just went through Cat:Arboreta and added {{horticulture-stub}} to the stub class ones. I did not count how many already had {{horticulture-stub}} but it was easy to account for the ones that I added the template to: 247. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- You wouldn't have needed to do that - all you needed to do to get a rough idea of numbers was run one of the tools that shows you how many articles in Cat:Arboreta were short. It wouldn't have given you an exact number of stubs, but it would have given a very clear indication of approximate numbers. Grutness...wha? 22:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
A recent list List of schools in Uganda has brought to my attention a good number of articles not tagged as Uganda-school-stub and the high likelihood these articles will be created shortly in the future. I'd say this template would be appropriate... Himalayan 21:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
- Support; it's appropriate. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:31, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, we can either split by decade of birth or by party. If we split by party the following are all vaible (happy to change names if anyone can think of something better)
If done by decade of birth I propose templates for each decade needed and the following categories would be viable
Anyone any prefernces? Waacstats (talk) 10:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC) That many Ontarian politicians? Support by party, looks fine. Himalayan 21:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- Himalayan which split do you support? Waacstats (talk) 22:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Support by party'. Himalayan 21:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
slightly oversized (1029) currently have by prefecture split and upmerged templates, the following are now viable from these upmerged templates
Waacstats (talk) 12:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC) Support, these have been steadily creeping up.. Himalayan 21:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
propose splitting ths by dob with templates at {{Germany-CDU-politician-1960s-stub}} and categories for those that reach 60 at Cat:German Christian Democratic Union politician, 1960s birth stubs should cut down this 2000+ behemoth. Waacstats (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Mmm, cat is definately oversized. I'm not sure though that will prompt more editors to fill them out. Note also a lot of them as yet don't have birthdates inserted in the articles so stub sorting will be difficult in this way. I may actually request that we delete some of them because it is too much work to fill them all out. I've actually requested to delete the "sub stubs" see User talk:Xeno. The task needed to fill them all with birth dates and some basic info out is too huge. When they have been deleted the cat will be manageable. . Himalayan 10:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- Good point about the DoB, I checkef the first 15 articles and only 1 didn't have the DoB in the article but catscan shows less than 400 have a dob category so maybe we need to look at something else if this category remains at this size and I would expect politicians to be notable so they may not be deleted. Waacstats (talk) 13:53, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh they are all notable, undoubtedly, just lack even the basics that would make them valid. I think the best thing would be to delete them and start them a bit more adequately at a later date. I ca't see too many people willing to go through 2100 articles adding birth dates and some eferenced info. Actually I got as far as B adding birth dates. If you actually check any from C -Z at random you'll see what I mean. Try selecting 15 articles at ramdon from C-Z. It is likely to be only 1 in 10 actually has birth dates, not vice versa....Random article Wolfgang Dehnel. Himalayan 14:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- As this is down to 33 articles (I assume through deletions) we can scrap this suggestion. Waacstats (talk) 10:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Quite a drastic reduction eh? Himalayan 21:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
As with the German CDU so with the UK Conservatives propose splitting ths by dob with templates at {{Conservative-UK-MP-1960s-stub}} and categories for those that reach 60 at Cat:Conservative MP (UK), 1960s birth stubs should cut down this 1000+ behemoth. Waacstats (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Support here, as we actually have the birth dates! Himalayan 10:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I propose creating {{psych-test-stub}}, categorised under Cat:Psychological testing stubs or something similar. According to CatScan, there are 55 articles tagged as psych stubs and under Cat:Psychological testing. However, there's a LOT that are improperly categorised, like Abbreviated mental test score, Chitling Intelligence Test, Addiction Research Center Inventory, Eating Attitudes Test, Multnomah Community Ability Scale, reading span task and Rosenberg self esteem scale. That gets us up to over 60. — Skittleys (talk) 16:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
- Looks sensible - though someone else can sort it (I've conducted a few too many mental rotation and stroop tests in my time - aversion to the subject has set in :) Grutness...wha? 21:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I propose {{antineoplastic-stub}} and Cat:Antineoplastic drugs. According to CatScan, of the articles tagged with (the overpopulated) {{pharm-stub}}, 61 are in Cat:Antineoplastic drugs, and 70 are in Cat:Chemotherapeutic agents (which is SUPPOSED to be obsolete and replaced with the former category...). — Skittleys (talk) 14:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
- I have nothing against this but I only count 52 articles. Waacstats (talk) 20:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry; plus these: {{CEF-stub}} (>40 entries; none doublestubbed with {{Canada-mil-hist-stub}}). --Rosiestep (talk) 01:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC) - CEF-stub needs to be either deleted (and combined with the Canada-mil-hist-stub) or renamed. CEF is, among other things, a major Brazilian bank, an Indian military unit from the 19th century, and the air force of the Czech Republic (see CEF). I don't recall it ever having been proposed - if it had been it would surely have been pointed out at the time that its name went against stub naming conventions due to its ambiguity. Grutness...wha? 02:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
- I combined the CEF-stub articles into Canada-mil-hist-stub and then deleted CEF-stub. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
- Looks good support category. Waacstats (talk) 10:30, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
750 stubs, if you take into account the remaining communes should be well over 1500 soon enough. Propose to create templates by province and upmerge those which ar enot viable yet and split the others Himalayan 14:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Support in principle with names of templates as above but with spaces removed, just a question do any of these need Province in the title or need disambiguating from regions of other countries. Waacstats (talk) 20:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- Spaces and hyphens removed (e.g., OumelBouaghi-geo-stub). Redirects from the same without diacriticals would also be useful (e.g., AinTemouchent-geo-stub). Grutness...wha? 23:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Mmm I'd keep it e.g {{Ghardaïa-geo-stub}} and if that became viable make it Cat:Ghardaïa Province geography stubs. I'd say looking at the names we could probably get away with leaving province out of the naming here...Cat:Ghardaïa geography stubs would be OK too. Himalayan 21:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- I agree as far as the categories are concerned. Also, all the equivalent permcats use "Province" (see Cat:Category:Provinces of Algeria). As to whether the templates need disambiguating, if they do we'd normally use the ISO two-character code as a dab (unless there's problems with both a province and city in the same country, say). The following might cause problems and may need dabbing:
- It might be better to spell them out with "Province" though, given that almost all have capitals with the same name and some also have districts with the same name. Some of the listed names seem not quite right, though (Oum El Bouaghi and Tipaza for instance). Checking Cat:Provinces of Algeria will be useful to get the exact names. Grutness...wha? 23:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes that would be fine. The DZ though is not instantly recognisable though! Himalayan 10:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
- I agree - unfortunately that's the code, though. I suppose it comes from the local version of the country's name. Grutness...wha? 21:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Currently 435 573 pages. Upmerges ready to split out.
- Support, I wonder if Brazil is viable for its own... Himalayan 09:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- If not, it's really close... I'll get it sorted out today. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Support all categories, with the usual caveats that stubs should be double-stubbed with appropriate geo-stubs. Not so sure on the templates, tyhough. Firstly,, we\'ve been suing "Europe-", not "Euro-" in recent times, and secondly we tend to prefer by-county upmerged templates rather than continent-wide ones where possible. BTW, the europe category would also have Cat:United Kingdom Site of Special Scientific Interest stubs as a subtype. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Support all, the Bald One is guilty for a lot of these... Himalayan 21:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Split out Cat:United Kingdom theologian stubs. Cat:United Kingdom academic biography stubs is oversized, this is the closest I can get to 60 using catscan (57 double stubbed), sure there must be 1 or 2 hiding in just one. Waacstats (talk) 19:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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- I agree it makes sense to create {{UK-theologian-stub}} if you think there's ~60. Also, I'm going to be bold and change the header from "Split out Cat:United Kingdom theologian stubs" to "Split of Cat:United Kingdom academic biography stubs" as there are now 3 split suggestions from the main cat. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- nb I have just found out that the newly created (off the to do list) {{UK-economist-stub}} has gone over 60 so porpose Cat:United Kingdom economist stubs while I am at it. No rush for the UK theologian cat but might as well create the template and if it goes pass 60 may as well have the category, should keep the UK academics off the oversized list for a bit longer. Waacstats (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
- Support the UK economist stubs cat. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Currently at 424 entries being fed by 11 province and territory upmerges. These 4 are ready to split off.
Note, that these 2 split off previously: Cat:British Columbia school stubs and Cat:Ontario school stubs. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- I would support in light of the fact that education falls under provincial jurisdiction.
However, why is "British Columbia" correctly spaced in its stub while the space is missing in "NovaScotia"? Also, the two existing provincial stubs are not hyphenated while your four are. These things all need to be standardized, I should think. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC) - Oh wait, I see. The category names don't match the appearance in the bracketed stubs, which use a different spacing. Anyway, support. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Yup, the difference is in stub category naming convention vs. stub template naming convention. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
- Support, speedily. Waacstats (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I have not correctly measured how many stub articles are on Wiki, but when I created Seongdong Market, it was a bit surprising to know that there has no such stub, so I inserted {{trade-stub}} instead. Here are rough research.
--Caspian blue 15:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I believe there is a {{Retail-stub}} which vcovers this at the moment. I'd support the templates util it is clear there become viable, dunno about the categories yet... Himalayan 16:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the information. However, the stubs are under Cat:Retail company stubs which does not look consistent with the template name...--Caspian blue 17:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
So it is. Support seperate cats too then if viable. Himalayan 17:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
We have some confusion here, since market-stub is currently used with Cat:Commerce stubs. I can see problems with Cat:Market stubs - in fact, I'm amazed that Cat:Markets exists because of it - it's a very ambiguous term. Does it refer to bazaars and street markets, stock markets, or international trade markets? Whichever it - and the permcat - should probably say. The permcat actually seems to be a mix-up of all three... But if this can be resolved, then certainly splitting things the way you suggest makes sense. As to retail-stub, I'd suggest renaming the stub type for retail companies to retail-company-stub (via SFD) and using the current name (and Cat:Retailing stubs) as a parent type for retailing in general. Grutness...wha? 01:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Well the article we have on market is about retail markets. The template says about a market or bazaar to avoid that confusion. Besides which stubs about stock markets would be best marked as stockmarket-stub. Himalayan 13:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Damn biology stubs distracting me, 2 upmerged templates have passed 60 so propose
Waacstats (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- Unusual, these countries are usually neglected on here.... Support.. Himalayan 20:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't see any article in the stub category of African football biography stubs. Isn't {{Togo-footy-bio-stub}} pertinent to the first one? --Caspian blue 18:27, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- My apologies they are both in subcats of African football bios and we already have the templates. Waacstats (talk) 18:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Even worse than not noticing upmerged template passing 60, 2 of the subcats (Defender and Midfielder) have passed 800 and 1000 articles respectivley, I propose splitting these two and the striker category by date of birth with upmerged by decade templates as has been done in England and Brazil. (I really thought Germany or Spain would have beaten Russia to being the third country to do this). Waacstats (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Nope I have noticed stubs on young Russian footballers slowly clogging up.... Support. Himalayan 20:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- I meant me missing them as I usually spend most of my time in the sports stubs. Waacstats (talk) 12:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
All viable. Note that it seems a high number of Quebec films are not stub categorised at all. The Quebecois film industry is notable in its own right so stub template and category is necessary. Himalayan 17:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've got to say I'm not 100% happy about this one could set a nasty precedant, If nation film stubs gets large we should look at splitting by genre or date. Also how easy is it to tell a french language film made in say Nova Scotia from a film made in Quebec. (nb I'm not against this just not happy with it at the moment) Waacstats (talk) 18:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
No, see Cinema of Quebec. It is very much one of the main Canadian film industries, as far as I'm aware the other regions don't have them, unless by location. Quebecois cinema is an industry in its own right in the French language and easily identifiable kind of in the way the Bollywood Hindi industry is in India based in Mumbai etc. Quebecois is normally produced in Montreal I think... I'll ask User:Bearcat. Himalayan 18:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- Himalayan is correct about this. Canada essentially has two parallel film industries — Quebec film is a distinct film industry operating separately from the "main" film industry of The Rest of Canada. I don't think there's a single other province or state in all of North America that can genuinely claim to have such a thing — the only parallel situation I can think of is the distinct regional film industries of India.
- This doesn't correspond strictly to shooting location; it's possible for an ROC film to be made in Quebec, and it's possible for a Quebec film to be made in Nova Scotia. What it does correspond to, by and large, is language: the Quebec industry is primarily French (although there have been a few English films as well), while as far as I know the ROC's film industry has never made a single French language film — unless you count Bon Cop, Bad Cop, and even that was a Quebec-ROC collab.
- If a film production company from Quebec is making the film, it's a Quebec film even if it's shot in Mongolia, and if a production company from Toronto is making the film, it's a Rest of Canada film even if it's shot in the Citadelle of Quebec City — because it's not a question of shooting location, it's a question of which one of two parallel industries the film is being made by. Bearcat (talk) 19:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm still not 100% happy but I will not oppose it. Waacstats (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I can see why Waacs, but really the Quebec film industry is quite distinct, it would seem more feasible to link the Montreal based French language films into a stub category than mixing Quebecois French films in with general Canadian films in say a 1970s-Canada film stub for instance. If you really feel that strongly against it I have no qualms, just a suggestion given that Quebec films seems to be clearly distinct from general english Canadian films. After all, we have Hindi-film-stub, Malayalam-film stub etc rather than 1970s-India-film-stub etc.. Himalayan 20:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- I work in the English-Quebec (aka English Montreal) film industry and while I think Bearcat is understating the number of English Quebec films when he terms them a "few," I support the creation of these stubs in principle. But I do wonder -- and have for some time -- where the Montreal-produced English-language films of the NFB would fit in all this. The NFB is an agency of the Canadian government -- but until its development of regional production centres in the late 70s, scores of English NFB films were produced out of Quebec. Not because they were in any way intrinsically Quebecois, but because this was where the NFB was based. The NFB retains two English studios in Quebec: Quebec Centre (for docs) and the Oscar-winning Animation Studio (which is unarguably the best known of all NFB studios in Canada). Are these Quebec films? They're made in Quebec, in many but not all cases by Quebec directors, and always by Quebec-based producers. NFB aside, Montreal boasts such indie doc production houses as Eyesteel film, Rezolution, Cineflix, that do work almost exclusively in English; not to mention mini-majors like Astral that remain based in Montreal, thanks to Harold Greenberg. Porky's was made thanks to Greenberg: would we be stubbing Porky's as a Quebec film, if it was a stub class article? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it matters if there are many english films as well, as long as they ar eproduced by the Quebec film industry. If is was say FrenchCanaddian-film-stub then it might be an issue but as it is I think its OK... Himalayan 16:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, the following are viable
Waacstats (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, the following are viable
Waacstats (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, the following are viable
Waacstats (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, the following are viable
Waacstats (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Another moth family has mor e than 60 articles, will bring the category down closer to 800. I propose
Waacstats (talk) 17:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC) Why or why o WHYYYYY didn't the creator think about this first.... The worrying thing is that some of the stubs like Gazoryctra have not been touched in 4 years.. Himalayan 18:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
- Support But could you more specifically present {{what-stub}} are needed for the splitting? --Caspian blue 16:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean the category that the articles are currently in is in the title Cat:Moth stubs and the category and template I propose to create are listed above as {{Drepanidae-stub}} / Cat:Drepanidae stubs. Waacstats (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Oops, the comment is related to your other nominations below.--Caspian blue
- Now I understand, my mistake I usually include them, as I have now created them I won't bother but in each case the template is foo-stub for category foo stubs.
Upmerge of approximately 10 templates, which is probably overkill. However, total of stubs adds up to over 60. As for the name, Kosovan seems to be commonly used on Wikipedia in some cases, while Kosovar in others. I much prefer Kosovar and believe it is the correct version. Thoughts?--TM 19:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- If there's 60 stubs in all, then support as Kosovan. "Kosovan" is used on Wikipedia since "Kosovar" is a politically loaded term and is likely to lead to edit-warring problems. Grutness...wha? 23:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Support Cat:Kosovan people stubs per Grutness Himalayan 18:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Another oversized insect category, propose the following
Waacstats (talk) 21:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Surprise surprise. Support.. Himalayan 13:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- Support. The articles in the category are sorted by "order of Mantodea", so they should be divided by subcategories like "family" or "genius".--Caspian blue 16:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Another oversized gastropod category, the only large enough stub cat that I can find is
Waacstats (talk) 21:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Support Too big category. --Caspian blue 16:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Proposals, August 2009
Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.
If (after approval) you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the list of stub types. This page will be archived in its entirety once all discussions have been closed; there is no need to move them to another page.
[edit] NEW PROPOSALS
Odd that there isn't one of these for preparation methods when we've got a {{cooking-tool-stub}}. I've tagged a few articles with {{food-stub}} instead but that's obviously not optimal. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Support -Seems reasonable. Himalayan 11:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Support per nom and above. Gosox5555 (talk) 21:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Specialty templates for Cat:Tool stubs
To9ol stubs has long been a mix'n'match of articles ranging from dustpan to defibrillator, and it's not an easy one to sort through. It might well be worth adding a few more specialist templates to enable it to be split at a future point when it gets too big and amorphous. I'd like to suggest the following:
These three should between them cover about half of the articles, at a rough guesstimate, and the second and third of them would be in line with the one current subcategory (Cat:Cooking tool stubs). Grutness...wha? 23:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support, I think the Adhesive is speediable as i think it os on the To Do list. Waacstats (talk) 10:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Support - main cat too generic anyway.. Himalayan 11:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Support - current ones are far to general.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gosox5555 (talk • contribs)
Deserves its own category becaus it is the second largest moth family [2]. About 160 pages would be moved from {{Moth stubs}} Tim1357 (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- Delayed support, had I spotted it I would have added it to the list below. Waacstats (talk) 21:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
That's OK. If you do generate anymore stubs, perhaps you could make a note here that you are creating over 60 new stubs, I'm sure we can work out any new templates/categories in advance as a special case.. Anyway if you could generate like Laysan Hedyleptan Moth using a reliable source not self referencing to a family wiki article I don't have many complaints as, although it will involve a great deal of work to expand the articles, they are definately needed ones. Himalayan 21:55, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- i will be adding a lot of pages to this category. I have found a list of Genus' that i will create articles for. see that list here User:Tim1357/sandbox67.142.130.34 (talk) 23:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Recent flooding of Cat:Moth stubs means this and probably a few others are viable... As it stands we now have 5000 stubs in the main category.... Himalayan 16:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Well it seems the creator is taking the iniative to stub sort without proposing here see this. Perhaps somebody could notify him and direct him here.... Himalayan 21:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hi, im sorry to have filled the stub category. I am more then happy to help sort them, I did not see the box on moth stubs about proposing new ones here. Tim1357 (talk) 21:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- I believe that this stub would be over 60 based on the article but are we missing a permanent category for this family. Waacstats (talk) 21:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- I had to go back and fix quite a bit of the refrences so I was bold and just changed the stubs when i was there, instead of having to go back and change them later. Ill undo it if asked. Tim1357 (talk) 02:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized cat propose a Cat:New York City Registered Historic Place stubs fed by upmerged by borough templates. Waacstats (talk) 22:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Slovenia geography stubs
My proposal would be to replace the current municipality geography stubs for Slovenia (only a few have been created, they're of limited use and they mostly don't have a lot of members) with the stubs for traditional regions of Slovenia. Currently, I think this would suffice and would simplify things by bringing templates in the line with categories.
- {{Borovnica-geo-stub}}, {{Ljubljana-geo-stub}} ----> {{InnerCarniola-geo-stub}} (list)
- {{NovoMesto-geo-stub}} ----> {{LowerCarniola-geo-stub}} (list)
- {{Celje-geo-stub}}, {{Maribor-geo-stub}}, {{Ptuj-geo-stub}}, {{SlovenjGradec-geo-stub}}, {{Velenje-geo-stub}} ----> {{LowerStyria-geo-stub}} (list)
- {{MurskaSobota-geo-stub}} ----> {{Prekmurje-geo-stub}} (list)
- {{Ajdovščina-geo-stub}}, {{Bovec-geo-stub}}, {{BrdaSI-geo-stub}}, {{Koper-geo-stub}}, {{NovaGorica-geo-stub}} ----> {{SlovenianLittoral-geo-stub}} (list)
- {{Bohinj-geo-stub}}, {{Kranj-geo-stub}} ----> {{UpperCarniola-geo-stub}} (list)
Support Actually a while back we discussed creating a full set of municipal templates and upmerging by region. Might I suggest we also split Category:Cities, towns and villages in Slovenia by subdivision too? Himalayan 16:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose replacement, though suggest adding region-specific templates. While it looks like the current templates aren't much use, given the upmerging, there are still close to 1700 unsorted Slovenian geography stubs. Which means that there's a very good chance we'll be splitting the regions up into subregions sooner rather than later. If that's the case, then we'd need to start splitting out the larger municipalities (since that's the second tier of Slovenian region split). Having the urban ones at least with templates ready for that eventuality makes sense. As for "bringing templates in line with categories", upmerging is fairly standard practice at WP:WSS, so there's no real necessity for that. Grutness...wha? 00:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh sorry I didn't read the proposal properly. Oppose replacement. We should create templates for each Slovenian municipality and upmerge into the regional cats definately NOT replace existing municipal stub templates. That would be best. As far as I am aware those are only loose historical names for the regions anyway and officially the government goes by munipalities. Duh Himalayan. Must be altitude sickness... Himalayan 16:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I wasn't aware I was supposed to go through here for new stub-types, and I boldly created this one as well as the accompanying category. It is consistent with the related stubs based on video game companies by region. I've already filled the category up and have 124 articles that fit under this stub-type. This is the stub-types that are out there, so far (the one I just created in bold):
I don't know what else needs to be done, here, but I apologize for not coming here first as I didn't know I had to do that. Regards, MuZemikeUse my VG templates! 16:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Unfortunately it'll lead to a fair bit of work. Renaming it needs to be done, to start with - if the decision is to keep it. It should be at {{Europe-videogame-company-stub}} - the same as all other Europe-specific stub types, and also in line with the Japan- type (not, note, Japanese- ), and the current name need to be deleted. However, in recent years we've gone away from having continent-wide stub types and now usually only make country-specific ones, upmerged into continent-wide categories (it makes for easier later splitting and also allows stubsd to be upmerged to two separate useful categories) -so this particular stub template may not be appropriate anyway. Either way there'll be a fair bit of restubbing work to do. Perhaps you should have read the part of WP:BOLD which says that it applies to articles, but not to templates... Grutness...wha? 01:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- My bot can update the usages for the proper naming, it won't be painful at all (I see borgarde already moved it in line with proper naming, so I updated the heading). As for the individual countries... some countries have only a single VG company - at all - let alone multiple stubs (eg. Bulgarian video game companies, Norwegian video game companies, or Danish video game companies). Just to use in your thinking on this. –xenotalk 19:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
This is currently large with 371 articles and with only Australian prison stubs as an empty subcat. This is mainly a list of present, historical or fictional prisons, jails and detention facilities with far too few entries on prison or jail legality, practices, conditions and history. To encourage development of entries on prison and jail topics and to distinguish between the fundamentally different categories of individual facilities and topics about corrections facilities, I propose two subcats:
Other names welcome. Jessamyncp (talk) 22:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC) (Moved from bottom of page)Waacstats (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- firstly there are 106 articles in the Australian subcat, you had me worried saying it was empty, secondly 371 really isn't all that large (check out Cat:Asteroid stubs or Cat:American people stubs and some of there subcats) I'm sure with a bit of work the US and UK templates could reach 60. I don't think we need to split this at the moment other than if the US/UK get up to size unless someone is planning to create a mass of articles and then I would suggest templates till there are 60 articles. Waacstats (talk) 14:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, Waacstats. My mistake, there are indeed 106 articles in the Australian subcat. Second, you're right that there aren't enough Prison Topic stubs to justify a subcat yet. It's too bad that there are so many stubs with names of individual prisons obscuring the Prison topic stubs. (I only disagree in that I think this category is very different from the lists of asteroids or American people since those homogeneous categories might not meet other stub sorting guidelines such as "will the new sub-type be well-defined".) Prison name is quite different from Prison topics of current stubs (prison transport, work release, youth detention center). Many more people are likely to be able to contribute information on youth detention centers (juvenile hall!) than on, say, Bracebridge jail. Due to their nature, it is very difficult to find the topical prison stubs without a subcategory. Hopefully users will soon be adding more prison topics stubs and editing the ones that are there and it will be appropriate to create a subcategory.Jessamyncp (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- A better name might be Cat:Prison structure stubs.--TM 20:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Certainly the proposed names are pretty odd, as neither suggests that it is a stub category. However, since we've started to split out stubs by location, surely that's the way to continue. Stubs in the category are really only supposed to be on individual prisons, though, so perhaps some larger parent stub category is needed for the other related topics. Then we'd have
We could that way later extend it, if necessary, to have penal system stubs for individual countries. Grutness...wha? 01:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Looks like a very good comprimise. Waacstats (talk) 08:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds great. -Jessamyncp (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Korea-bio templates
I think these templates should be split into NorthKorea-bio and SouthKorea-bio where necessary. I also think we need to keep Korea-bio for articles before the countries divided.
The following will be affected:
Category structure proposed is:
Borgarde (talk) 06:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I would see what User:Caspian blue has to say... Himalayan 19:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
This is becoming more viable - the main problem is that so many of the articles (especially for things like writer, painter, etc) are people who lived predominantly pre 1950. So even with the two subtypes, there will be a large number of articles in the parent cats. Grutness...wha? 22:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
currently oversized (1200+) articles with no subcats. The only subcats I can find that have 60+ articles is Cat:Cutaneous conditions at over 1000 articles from here we have 5 categories that have 60 + articles so I suggest
God alone knows what to call the templates though, any ideas. Waacstats (talk) 23:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. I think user:Kilbad and WP:DERM are going through a major online text adding stubs for all sking conditions without articles. Maybe worth dropping a line over at that project's talk page there about this one. Grutness...wha? 01:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - Thank you for notifying us at WP:DERM about this discussion. I think having the dermatology stub categories mirror the formal derm categories is a good idea. The current categorization scheme for dermatology-related content is available at WP:DERM:CAT. With that being said, I therefore would like to see, as you have done above, stub categories that are named the same as the formal category, but with the word "stub" appended. Does that make sense? ---kilbad (talk) 19:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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- So it sounds like a major editor of dermatolgy articles is supportive of this, given the above are the only categories that have over 60 stubs, any idea on template names? Waacstats (talk) 22:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- From a WSS point of view, one or two of them are fairly straightforward - {[tl|Cutaneous-stub}} for the parent and {{genodermatoses-stub}} - for the others, perhaps {{Skin-appendage-stub}}, {{Dermal-growth-stub}}, {{Epidermal-growth-stub}}, and {{Cutaneous-infection-stub}} respectively? Grutness...wha? 22:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds reasonable. Waacstats (talk) 07:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I seem to be taking on the life stubs so here goes, according to catscan the follwoing are viable
Geometridae would be immediatly oversized at 2889 but better having that than one cat at over 5000. Waacstats (talk) 23:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC) Support, Waacs you do realise I am baldy don't you? Himalayan 19:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- I hadn't noticed, I tend to avoid fuss on here where possible, sorry to hear about all the trouble but glad to see you've stayed. Hope we will still have your input here even if we won't be seeing so many of your articles. Waacstats (talk) 08:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Aah. That explains why we haven't seen the evil doctor around here lately... Grutness...wha? 23:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Renaming and reorganization of Gene stubs
Nothing about the "gene-stub" category or its 23 subcategories suggests that it's for human genes only. Right now, there are 15 articles using the gene-stub tag, several of which are non-human genes. That seems right to me...in fact, I don't know where the non-human gene stubs are ending up, because there MUST be more! BUT, the subcategories are all called "Chromosome a gene stubs", where a = 1-22 or X. This is clearly referring to HUMAN genes!! But this should be much more explicit. So, I propose the following:
- 1. The category Gene stubs under Genetics stubs be either
- (a) renamed to "Human gene stubs"; or
- (b) kept titled as is, with 1 subcategory entitled "Human gene stubs"
- Which option to choose depends mostly on where the non-human gene stubs are going. If they're just going under "Genetics stubs" (which they don't seem to be), option (b) seems the better choice. If they're elsewhere (the various fungus/plant/animal/microbio categories?), option (a) may be better...
- 2. All the "Chromosome __ gene stubs" be retitled "Human chromosome __ gene stubs".
I think the most logical idea would be to have the "gene stubs" category, with "human gene stubs" underneath, AND also have the other organismal genes placed in there too...but that would require a LOT of collaboration. I'm posting a link to this on the WikiProjects Genetics page immediately. I'm also going to look into the non-human genes thing a bit more, and then possible post a link on some of the following WikiProjects: Biology, Evolutionary biology, Microbiology, Molecular + cell bio, Viruses, and more...wow, there's more than I thought....
— Skittleys (talk) 00:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Erm, I hope it was implied, but I'm also proposing the templates be renamed, not just the categories! — Skittleys (talk) 03:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- This may be more something for WP:SFD than here, since it requires a mass renaming of templates and categories. The gene stub types were proposed in the middle of last year, but somehow it must've slipped through that they were for human genetics. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
current upmerged template with over 60 articles. speedy? Waacstats (talk) 21:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized; currently at 193 568 entries. There are others that belong here that aren't stub tagged, and there are other known ghost town articles that still need to be created as per List of ghost towns in Manitoba and List of ghost towns in Colorado. Therefore, I recommend the following:
--Rosiestep (talk) 19:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- 193 is hardly oversized (Good knows what you would call Cat:Asteroid stubs), though I agree I have seen many articles in US/CAN that could use this and don't so would support templates for US/CAN and possibly California and categories for them once they pass 60. Waacstats (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Like I mentioned, there were quite a few articles categorized as ghost towns who had other stub tags, but no ghost-town-stub tags. I'm working on that tagging process and I've changed the count accordingly. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- As long as you don't remove the others (if they're relevant, of course) - I wouldn't want to see, for instance, a ghost town in South Australia marked with ghost-town-stub but not also marked with SouthAustralia-geo-stub. Actually, if we're going to start breaking out national ghost town stubs, Australia would be a reasonable one to add to the list. But yeah, 193 (and even 253) is nowhere near oversized (in fact, it's pretty close to the "sweet spot" for stub category size) - we don't normally start thinking of splitting things until they reach the 600-800 area. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Agree. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- It hink if your going to keep pudhing this upit may be an idea to create the templates now save having to sort twice
- Yup, Waacstats, good idea. So the Canada, US, and California templates are in place and I've updated above the number of articles that use these 3 template tags. Also created {{Australia-ghost-town-stub}}. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC) Numbers update.--Rosiestep (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support, obvious solution to an oversized category and template. Nyttend (talk) 12:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- Looks fine to me. Himalayan 19:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized: 979 stubs. There are some sub-categories, in addition to those I propose the following:
It might not be a bad idea to just have stubs types for each of the sub-categories of computer science (about 21 in total). --Robin (talk) 22:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- The idea of 21 separate templates might be good, but I doubt all 21 would reach the 60 stub mark for separate categories at the moment. It may be easier to work on a case-by-case basis. As to the two you've proposed above they both look fine, but the second needs a tweak of name - I'd go for Cat:Algorithm stubs (singular, per stub naming conventions) and {{algorithm-stub}} (avoiding the potentially ambiguous abbreviation). It might also be better to have the first's template (or a redirect to it) at {{comp-sci-theory-stub}}, since there are (IIRC) several other "theory" types all in that format. Grutness...wha? 23:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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- Alright, I've modified my proposal. --Robin (talk) 00:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- The 60-something rule is clearly not always obeyed, nor is it part of any page baring even "guideline" status at the top, let alone "policy". For instance, check out Category:Mathematics stub templates, e.g. Template:Math-competition-stub. Template stubs should be created whenever a category is sufficiently distinct so that tagging with something-else-stub looks weird, especially when the category with which the stubs are associated naturally belongs to more than one parent category. Otherwise you need to either pick a potentially uninformative stub or "multi-stub" an article, which looks equally grotesque, although I've seen that done too. Pcap ping 11:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Oversized; currently at 963 entries. Following the naming convention of Cat:Nova Scotia geography stubs subcategories, I recommend the following:
--Rosiestep (talk) 17:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 12:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support in principal with splitting Manitoba, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan and Newfoudland and Labrador. Unfortunatly none of these have categories so can't work out any numbers and most articles don't state which area they are in so may proove difficult for those of us outside the areas to do. Waacstats (talk) 13:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought that you ment other regions of Canada. That's why the lng list. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 15:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Support Good find Rosie. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
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- To be honest, not much of a find. As I've created many of the Nunavut geo stubs, it's been gnawing on me to also deal with the splitting... kinda like the responsible thing to do. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Comment. With regard to N&L, it may be worth noting that Labrador-geo-stub is already used as a redirect. Not sure whether it's an officially designated subregion, but if so, making it into a stand-alone template might help alleviate things a little. Grutness...wha? 23:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable
Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Yes to all your creature proposals. I am clueless as you are but you seem to have caught relevant sub categories. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable, though I know some have been proposed in the past thought I would gather them all together
The last three would be immediatly over 800 but can't see any possible splits. Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support - as to the last 3, lets first get them established and then see where (if at all) we can split them. 3 categories of over 800 each is better than these over 2,000 sitting in a single parent category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable
Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable
Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized, catscan suggegsts the following would be viable
Again not my area of expertise so any comments grateful.Waacstats (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Split of New York geography stubs
Yet another oversized US State propose
both from currently upmerged templates with 60+ articles. Waacstats (talk) 07:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Looks OK Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm proposing a new stub template for Ideologies stubs. Then, an article such as Festivalism can use that template rather than having to use another template that is not so suitable. BejinhanTalk 04:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- It would be Cat:Ideology stubs, not Cat:Ideologies stubs, but I'm a little concerned that it's a fairly vague category - it could cover everything from politics to religion to philosophy. Grutness...wha? 07:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with G but may be a {{Politics-ideology-stub}} upmerged to the oversized politics stubs may be an idea. Waacstats (talk) 07:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
There's already a Cat:Chemical nomenclature, and I've found many stubs among this category. I'm proposing a stub separation between Cat:Chemical nomenclature and Cat:Chemistry or Cat:Physical chemistry. It should be used for certain articles as oppose to {{physical-chemistry-stub}}. ForestAngel (talk) 20:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Not a bad suggestion, though perhaps widening it to a similar form as other comparable stub types by making it a {{Chemistry-term-stub}} (for chemistry terminology) might be more useful? Grutness...wha? 01:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Grutness we already have -foo-term-stub for other areas, law and geo spring to mind might be wider in scope but will probably be as useful. Waacstats (talk) 07:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Not my usual area of expertise but help from catscan suggests the following are viable splits of this oversized category
Any tree of life experts want to comment, or anyone else for that matter. Waacstats (talk)
[edit] Split of California geography stubs
The following are all viable based on existing upmerged templates
- Cat:Imperial County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Riverside County, California geography stubs
- Cat:San Bernardino County, California geography stubs
- Cat:San Diego County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Amador County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Calaveras County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Inyo County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Mariposa County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Nevada County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Butte County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Lassen County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Modoc County, California geography stubs
- Cat:lake County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Mendocino County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Humboldt County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Yuba County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Yolo County, California geography stubs
- Cat:El Dorado County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Monterey County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Fresno County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Kern County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Madera County, California geography stubs
- Cat:Merced County, California geography stubs
Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Sí. Approve all. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I was stubsorting just now and realized that Latvia does not have even an upmerged stub for ice hockey players despite a category including 73 articles. Propose an upmerged stub until the requisite number of stubs can be found.--TM 16:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support and for any other European country. Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Shock Horror
Believe it or not we DON'T have a Cat:Delaware geography stubs despite the template having over 250 articles, I propose this be speedy created based on the fact that every other state in the US has it's own category. Waacstats (talk) 10:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Very surprising indeed! Ofcourse speedy.--TM 15:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Not suprising when you consider that when all the others were broken out into their own categories there were three stubs! It must have slipped under the radar since then, though. Speedy support. Grutness...wha? 01:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Now if it was California... Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- We'd already have 8 county geo cats and a proposal for another 23. Waacstats (talk) 22:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Another speedy support. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Oversized stub category already split out the largest genus but another genus has over 60 and that is Cat:Dendrobium stubs. Waacstats (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Another Brazilian state tops 60 (actually tops 250), category name based on existing categories. Waacstats (talk) 21:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
According to [3], this category can already contain 165 stubs, from Category:Asteroid stubs - which is the biggest stub category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- looks like a needed split. Waacstats (talk) 12:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Anything which can sensibly split that category will be an advantage - it's almost useless in its current form. Grutness...wha? 01:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- A similar search shows that 4000 should be in Cat:Main Belt asteroid stubs will have to get AWB out for that I think. Waacstats (talk) 15:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Require a board game sub category under video game. There are a lot of games under this category eg Mahjong, Monopoly, UNO, etc Banej (talk) 03:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- seems a reasonable grouping but I'm wandering why I can't find a permanent category for these? Waacstats (talk) 10:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Try Cat:Video board games. Which suggests that the template should perhaps be at {{video-board-game-stub}} to match {{board-game-stub}} (possibly with a redirect at the proposed name). Grutness...wha? 01:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Agree we should have a redirect one way or the other and I am not that fussed which way round, but catscan only shows 40 articles so template only unless 60 are found during stubbing. Waacstats (talk) 08:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- Have tagged some of the previously missed articles - Latest catscan shows 66 articles. Banej (talk) 14:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Everything seems fine then. Waacstats (talk) 08:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- Anybody able to assists in the creation? Have no experiences creating a stub, especially on the graphics part. Banej (talk) 06:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I've never proposed a science stub tag before, so I'm not sure - would this be the way to do it? I did some heavy orchid stubbing last night, and I think the above would clean out the orchid stub category quite a bit. Requisite category would be Cat:Bulbophyllum stubs, I suppose. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- would certainly cut down the Orchid stubs but would it self be iimmediatly oversized. Can't see any other way of pruning the orchids though so Support Waacstats (talk) 09:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Main category is already divided by countries and, if we use the UN guidelines, each region should easily come close to and surpass the minimum.--TM 19:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- missed this till now, seems reasonable and we have split everything in Africa the same way (geo,bio,politician etc) Waacstats (talk) 15:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Should be over 60.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- along the same lines the following Chinese provinces are also viable
don't think any need any disambig but not 100% sure. Waacstats (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
A few of the templates upmerged into subcats of scottish geography have passed the 60 mark, anyone fancy
and what do we do once these are created because Cat:North East Scotland geography stubs and Cat:Orkney and Shetland geography stubs will just be container categories so do we have the above as sub categories of the regions or as subcats of the scottish category and delete the regions. Waacstats (talk) 10:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Support. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support, though two of them should be at Cat:Perth and Kinross geography stubs and Cat:Stirlingshire geogreaphy stubs, since the counties are Perth and Kinross and Stirlingshire. As to the current categories, for the most part we delete the regional categories once county ones are all made (as happened with English counties), but we've not been totally consistent about it - in this case I think deletion would be best. Grutness...wha? 23:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- Knew i wouldn't get a geo-stub proposal without some error in it. Waacstats (talk) 22:09, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I think I may be wrong about Stirling - it's a bit confusing with both Stirlingshire and Stirling (council area)... perhaps someone with more knowledge of Scotland might be able to help? Grutness...wha? 23:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Having read the relevant articles it lokos like it should be Stirling, we seem to be splitting by council areas.Waacstats (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Also I think a Cat:Azad Kashmir geography stubs is in the pipeline, looks around 60 stubs to me. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support - only weak because this one is fraught with edit-warring possibilities and may need to be protected preemptively (note that Azad Kashmir is similarly protected). Grutness...wha? 23:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yes I am aware of that, Azad Kashmir though is a formal state and is internationally recognised. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- Strong support, if you look at Category:Pakistan geography stubs there are hundreds of articles, the vast majority for Azad Kashmir and the Northern Areas, there should also be a {{NorthernAreas-geo-stub}} currently the four provinces of Pakistan have geo-stubs but not these areas. Pahari Sahib 09:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Grutness would you suggest a PK or something in the Northern Area template or is that OK? Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- The name of the article on the place is simply Northern Areas, so it should be fine. A redirect from {{NorthernAreasPK-geo-stub}} would make sense, though. Grutness...wha? 23:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Template is upmerged into Cat:New York City geography stubs, and has 66 pages. I propose making it into its own category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Support, surprised it hasn't been split before. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] UPmerged templates past 60
the following are all viable based on existing templates
- Cat:English football defender, 1930s birth stubs
- Cat:English football defender, 1920s birth stubs
- Cat:English football defender, 1910s birth stubs
- Cat:English football defender, 1900s birth stubs
- Cat:English football defender, 1890s birth stubs
- Cat:English football midfielder, 1930s birth stubs
- Cat:English football striker, 1920s birth stubs
- Cat:English football striker, 1910s birth stubs
- Cat:English football striker, 1900s birth stubs
- Cat:English football striker, 1890s birth stubs
- Cat:English football striker, 1880s birth stubs
- Cat:English football striker, 1870s birth stubs
will also need to change the name of the existing catch all categories. Waacstats (talk) 22:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Mmm, quite an interest among editors eh... Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Following on from the proposal lower down, the following are now viable, expect more to follow
Waacstats (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Support to all Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Changing proposal for malls to Cat:Canadian shopping mall stubs to agree to parent. Waacstats (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- and adding Cat:Quebec building and structure stubs should be the last one. Waacstats (talk) 10:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support per Waacstats' addition/alteration. Grutness...wha? 23:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] HIV/AIDS stub
I propose there should be an {{HIV-stub}} and {{AIDS-stub}} for the AIDS and HIV virus. An example of something that would fit is V3_loop.Smallman12q (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm all for the HIV one, but AIDS is a subset of HIV. Is it really distinct enough to gain it's own stub? Gosox5555 (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Create university templates by each remaining Asian country
Templates are greatly needed for universities in places like Burma etc of where they are a huge number of universities. I propose {{Burma-university-stub}} etc and upmerge. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- Speedy support. Waacstats (talk) 10:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Both have well over 60 stubs in them, makes sense to create cats. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support, these seem to be the largest governorates in the Yemen. Waacstats (talk) 14:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Having just emptied the euro's out of the parent cat I noticed atleast 70 of the remainder are american worth a template and category? Waacstats (talk) 13:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Speedy Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Speedy as well Gosox5555 (talk) 14:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
950 odd, oversized. Recommend creating new templates by oblast and creating categories where viable. Best to drop the Oblast ending, when writtne they will clearly state oblast anyway. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'd wait for Grutness to check over these but they seem OK, {{IvanoFrankivsk-geo-stub}} without the extra hyphen is the only change I would make. Waacstats (talk) 07:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- That's the only change I'd make to the names, unless there's something strange about Ukrainian geography that I'm unaware of. Grutness...wha? 22:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- I created these templates with the intention of sorting them tonight, but it's gotten a bit late so I'm off. I do however think we also need a {{Crimea-geo-stub}} for the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Borgarde (talk) 15:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Company templates by country
Specifically South America, although might be a good idea for every country. {{Chile-company-stub}} etc is definately the sort of template that is needed. There are tons of notable companies in most of the Latin American nations. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
- given that we already have a continental cat I think this can be speedied but we only have 50 odd articles in there so not really a high priority yet. Waacstats (talk) 07:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Would be easier to use on some of the scientist articles. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
- As I said below, would prefer by nation templates for Asia-scientist, I'm not sure that the botanist stub is needed yet, we only have 400 odd stubs and haven't split out Europe yet which would teake the vast majority of them. Waacstats (talk) 07:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Well {{Burma-scientist-stub}} didn't exist neither did an Asian one... Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- What I meant was I'm happy either way just think it would save time in the long run going for the {{Burma-scientist-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 13:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
OK.. Dr. Blofeld White cat 13:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Windmill stub template
OK, I've created this before coming here because I didn't know not to! {{Windmill-stub}} is intended for use by WP:MILLS on stub class windmill articles. It's only in use on one article atm and I won't add it to any more until it has been approved/discussed first. If it gets deleted it's no big deal. Mjroots (talk) 07:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Support You did the right thing coming here and I'd imagine the others will also support it. I would evne go as far as to propose a {{UK-windmill-stub}} and a {{Netherlands-windmill-stub}} and any other major windmill country. Given time or if not already they are likely to be viable for their own categories too. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Belated support, and hopefully we can get more articles on Dutch windmills (belive it or not we only have 4 articles, and that is not a challenge!)Waacstats (talk) 21:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support from me too, with the proviso that they're used in addition to the nation-specific struct-stubs, not replacing them (e.g., a windmill in Australia should be tagged with both Windmill-stub and Australia-struct-stub). Once we get to the point of nation specific windmill-stubs, of course, then they'd replace both as a combined form, but - despite Dr B's suggestion, I'm not convinced there are enough of them for that yet. Grutness...wha? 00:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
See List of windmills in the Netherlands, that's why I suggested it!!. There is a group of editors working on them I believe, so soon enough there will be hundreds... Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I take it that this is approved then? Mjroots (talk) 11:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yup, though note that even with a wikiproject it should be used on at least 30 articles in order for a category to be regarded as viable. Grutness...wha? 23:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Just noticed that the number of buuildings for Spain and the sheer amount being transwikied by region more than makes it appropriate to create new structure templates by region of Spain e.g {{Catalonia-struct-stub}}, {{Andalusia-struct-stub}} etc. Also the number of museums is growing big so Cat:Spanish museum stubs should be on the cards. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Note though that the number of articles for each region is likely to be very uneven and propbably a lot of articles are not categorized or stub sorted properly. I think creating templates by region of Spain and at least upmerging any that aren't viable yet would be a good step for organization in the future I think. If needs be I can create a lot of articles too...
- Support. These are much needed templates to help with the large group of Spain-struct-stub articles; and the cat Cat:Spanish museum stubs would grow daily. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support, but with a couple of alterations. 1) We'd normally use {{CastileLaMancha-struct-stub}} (no gap, no extra hyphen), and {{Balearics-struct-stub}} (Canary Islands only uses "Islands" because of the possibility for confusion with the birds); 2) Note that with Ceuta and Melilla we usually use a more inclusive {{Plazasdesoberanía-foo-stub}} type to cover both the PdS and the autonomous cities in North Africa (spelt out for such use on the template itself), with redirects from {{Ceuta-foo-stub}} and {{Melilla-foo-stub}}. This has caused a bit of a problem in the past, though (we had one repetitive, angry, and vandalous Spanish editor who claimed that by saying that the stub type was for "Spain's autonomous cities in North Africa" - as the template was worded - we were claiming they weren't Spanish. Go figure.), so it might be worthwhile to clear that up starting with separate stubs for the two cities here. Grutness...wha? 01:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, but I think we also use BasqueCountry-foo-stub as a basic type, to avoid confisuon with the people. Anyone know for sure?Grutness...wha? 00:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support struct templates no problem there. Will support the museum category once the template gets to 60 which it hasn't yet. Waacstats (talk) 21:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Mathematical Biology
I propose this stub because there isn't a mathematical biology stub template or category and there are a good number of articles that would support it. Currently, there is nothing that speaks to both mathematics and biology together as one discipline. If I'm missing something here, please let me know.
- There are a number of articles that this could be applied to, but Isuggest a template (feeding into both Maths stubs and biology stubs to see if this does get past 60 and if itdoes then I will support a category. Waacstats (talk) 17:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I concur Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Major World Cuisine Stubs
Each of these could have more than 60 stubs, currently located in {{Cuisine-stub}} or the stub categories for each country. - AKeen (talk) 04:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I proposed this only about a month ago. Support. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- if we are going to have these then it would be {{UK-cuisine-stub}}
- Ok, thanks, modified stub- AKeen (talk) 14:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Bivalve stub
I have created {{Bivalve-stub}} to better organize bivalves. The main purpose was not to distinguish bivalves (there exist 10 000 species of bivalves, so it will be usefull in the future), that are in majority of now used mollusc-stub, but to clearly organize the rest of mollusc-stub articles of their smaller taxons like polyplacophorans, monoplacophorans and other little known ones. --Snek01 (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- the thing is do we have 60 articles or are these articles waiting to be created, we normally only make categories when there are 60 articles, if the articles aren't there yet we normally merge the template into a related category (normally any stub category that would act as the categories parent). I don't know enough about molluscs and bivalves to know and my usual tool isn't working so I will say belated support assuming the articles are there. Waacstats (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree (and Snek01 would have been told as much if (s)he had proposed the stub rather than simply creating it and telling us later). Unless there are 60 currently existing bivalve stubs, this may need upmerging. Snek01, if you plan to do any more organisation as you mention above, it needs to be debated first. Grutness...wha? 22:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- There is few hundred bivalve stub (less than 500, according to my guess about 400. But certainly more than 100.) --Snek01 (talk) 10:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC) My guess was good, it is exactly 303 articles right now. Thank you, that you have trusted in me. Next time I will not announce any started stub type here, but rather I will normally start it without this project. --Snek01 (talk) 10:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Create building templates for Canadian provinces
Amazed we didn't have any:
Templates to create:
Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure these fall under any of the normal speedy rules, but they should be speediable, given the rate we seem to slipping behind at the moment though I don't think that really matters. (thats a speedy support by the way). Waacstats (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- Probably not quite speediable, though if we have lighthouse-stubs for all of these 9which we do now) I seriously doubt there'd be much of a problem if the five-day rule was um, bent slightly, shall we say? Grutness...wha? 23:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Created the templates and noticed this should be {{Nunavut-struct-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 08:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed above typo on Nunavut. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Upmerged template has 48 articles and an upmerged poet template has 17 and there is already a Cat:Ancient Greek writer stubs easily enough for a category.Waacstats (talk) 10:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Support' Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
The following are viable based on the relevenat -musician-stub and -singer-stub templates.
-speedy. Waacstats (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Speedy all Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Terrorism
There is no terrorism stub template or category. There is need for one, as stub articles are currently being marked with other tags, such as ones relating to their location. Category:Stub-Class Terrorism articles has 178 articles in it. I am suggesting simply:
to use: Category:Terrorism stubs
and
to use: Category:Terrorism biography stubs
Any changes and suggestions welcome. Patchy1Talk To Me! 06:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
- Probably not too bad an idea, as long as a close check is kept on what does and doesn't get marked with this (given that it's a fairly dangerous area to try to define). The general terrorism type would be a reasonable parent to the Guantanamo Bay internee stub category, too. I'd support both templates, but only one category for now (the parent Cat:Terrorism stubs, until we know for certain there are 60 biographical articles (if there are, that would be speediable later). Please note, though, that something being a Stub-Class article doesn't necessarily mean it is a stub (or vice versa). Even so, if there are 170 Stub_Class articles, there's certain to be more than 60 stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Seems sensible. Caution needs to be exercised though in who is labelled a "terrorist". Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think this is one occasion when Related is important, do we include anti-terrorist organisations in terrorist stubs as they are RELATED to terrorism? Waacstats (talk) 15:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- That is an interesting question, but i suppose it would include anti-terrorist orgs, terrorist acts, terrorists and terrorist groups. Other stub categories include that depth, don't they? Happy to discuss this. Patchy1Talk To Me! 07:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
If we're going to separate writer and poet stubs (and that's a question), I think these are necessary. Most of the articles in Cat:poet-stub are from either of these regions. Also, {{Romanian-poet-stub}} seems necessary. Gosox5555 (talk) 23:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- The categories sound good, but I'd prefer templates by nation rather than region. In the case of SA it would only be about a dozen templates, and the same with ME - it makes for easier splits later if needed. Grutness...wha? 23:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- Fine by me. Gosox5555 (talk) 03:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC) Edit: my one question would be what to do if a poet was before modern contries were in existence. Gosox5555 (talk) 03:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- With one or two very, very rare exceptions, we use the current national boundaries. If someone was born in, say, Zagreb when it was part of Austro-Hungary, they'd still get a Croatia stub. Understandably discretion and a bending of this rule are used for, say, a Palestinian poet born in what is now Tel Aviv, but we certainly don't have specific stub types for countries that no longer exist except in very rare cases (among them an overall China- type and an overall Korea- type). By the way, we use the noun form of country names for templates (CamelCase where necessary), so you're looking at things like {{Romania-poet-stub}}, not {{Romanian-poet-stub}} (a full list showing usual country names can be seen at User:Grutness/Geo-stub list). Grutness...wha? 08:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Seams to be a case of spellcheck gone wild. I meant {{Romania-poet-stub}}. Gosox5555 (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
That is true. Support. I would also support the creation of poet templates by country e.g {{Brazil-poet-stub}} and upmerge. Sometimes "writer stub" is a bit generalised. Dr. Blofeld White cat 08:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support, though I'm fairly sure the categories should have a lowercase p in poet. Cat:South American poet stubs and Cat:Middle Eastern poet stubs. Waacstats (talk) 15:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oops -yup, you're right. Hadn't spotted that. Support per Waacstats' amendments. Grutness...wha? 22:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- My bad again. Thanks for fixing it. Gosox5555 (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Canadian lighthouses
Ser Amantio (formerly Mr. AlbertHerring) is drawing up a big list of lighthouses from Canada by province, first one is List of lighthouses in Prince Edward Island. At present we have about 50 stubs on Canadian lighthouses but shortly we should create Cat:Canadian lighthouse stubs and split it from canadian building and structure stubs. Note that given time I expect a lot of the province ones to be viable e.g Category:Ontario lighthouse stubs as there are reportedly something like 400. Anyway for now I propose the creation of province lighhouse templates. I made one for {{PrinceEdwardIsland-lighthouse-stub}} and propose to follow suite with the others. Even this island has about 45 lighthouses so they will be umerged into the new Cat:Canadian lighthouse stubs. The rest maybe with the exception of the inner provinces will all become viable eventually so I propose the creation of province templates before he starts on each list and then creating a category if it becomes viable. For the inner provinces where there may not be many lighthouses I propose a {{Canada-lighthouse-stub}}. As you guys, Waacs and Gruts both know how fast Ser amantio works there shouldn't be a problem with these. If he decides to work through this extraordinary world lighthouse source then eventually it may become necessary to create a lighthouse stub template by country but for now this is OK. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Templates to create:
- Support - and for any other country which needs one (not for all countries, though - I doubt we'll need a Mongolia-lighthouse-stub, for instance :) Grutness...wha? 00:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
On some countries you'd be surpised. There are a number of notable lighthouses in Eritrea for instance!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
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- At least Eritrea's on the coast. I doubt there's much danger of any ships running into the Mongolian coast ;)) Grutness...wha? 08:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support for all, nice to see Ser back Waacstats (talk) 21:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support, of course - though Manitoba's iffy (there are eleven current and former stations, if memory serves). And thanks - it's good to be back. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
11 is OK to make a template. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
P.S. in the future it may be wise to create struct templates by Canadian province like {{Ontario-struct-stub}}. What do you think. So far 528 Canadian struct stubs but I'm certain there are much more not tagged under this, Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- That would be a good idea, I think. Some must be getting close to the golden 60 mark. Grutness...wha? 23:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- we haven't got these already? I'm sure I've used them in the past?Waacstats (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I know I could have sworn I used a Ontario-struct-stub to add to buildings in Toronto. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
We already have three subcats and recently created upmerged by district templates. The folowing categories would pass the 60 mark
my guess is the other two districts will pass 60 if they do I propose
I believe that the Urban districts will struggle to pass 60 and if any do will propose them seperatly. Waacstats (talk) 09:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Darn these months are sialing by SOOO fast. Support Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Support Go for (Bad Doberan -no biscuit!) Grutness...wha? 08:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
A brand new month... two upmerged templates - it looks like the majority of the articles in Cat:Asia road stubs are from one or the other of these countries. Grutness...wha? 01:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Ha! Looks like we've had one of these - and category - (unproposed, and unlinked to any stub parents) for two years! I've added it into Asia road stubs. Grutness...wha? 01:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Do we have SouthKorea-x-stub or do we have Korea-x-stub. Waacstats (talk) 09:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Like with China, we tend to use Korea- for historical items and things which stretch pre 1950. Things like geography, where it's clear which side of the border something is on, we have both NorthKorea- and SouthKorea-. I'd be quite willing to amend the proposal to Korea-road-stub, though, if it's preferred. Grutness...wha? 00:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- I just couldn't remember a North/South Korea split, so given that I'm happy with a Korea-road-stub
- I'm a little confused - happy with Korea, or SouthKorea? Grutness...wha? 23:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry shouldn't edit when tired. Happy with SouthKorea-road-stub as proposed. Waacstats (talk) 14:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Support I've had my eyes on those for a while. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Support as well. I see no problems. Gosox5555 (talk) 03:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Deserves its own category becaus it is the second largest moth family [4]. About 160 pages would be moved from {{Moth stubs}}
Tim1357 (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
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- I guess the stub-sorting should be done by family or (if the family is large) by subfamily. Some families (like the Geometer and Noctuid moths) have hundreds of genera and 10.000's of species.. Ruigeroeland (talk) 00:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Old business
Everything from here down has passed the five day proposal period. Unless discussion to determine consensus is actively on-going, proposals may be acted upon, to be created, or noted as not approved. Move this marker up as time passes.
[edit] Proposals, July 2009
Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.
If (after approval) you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the list of stub types. This page will be archived in its entirety once all discussions have been closed; there is no need to move them to another page.
{{Mathematical-biology-stub}} Under Category:Biology Nimbios (talk) 19:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I said there would be more, another 5 upmerged state templates have reached 60 propose the following (speedy)
more will follow, though these should get the parent off the oversized list. Waacstats (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Support Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Add to that the following
name of Acre chosen to match existing disambiguation. this will take it off the oversized list. Waacstats (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Self-evident from the category of the same name. I'm a first-timer; I would have thought a stub automatically existed for every category. Am I missing something? Petershank (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
No, that's where our hard toil and tears come into play I'm afraid. Your template is way too much of a mouthful. I'd recommend simply {{France-military-struct-stub}} if the template is needed. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- That name won't do either Dr B - that would mean forts (struct = buildings and structures), and we use "mil" for military. I'd suggest that {{France-mil-unit-stub}} would be a better way to go, though I'm not sure whether that form or another is used for other countries which have such a type (if any). Grutness...wha? 00:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- As the only country we have currently split out is the UK, I say we use that as a template and so Grutness would be correct in the name, I would however hold off on a category as it appears to be on the low side. It may be worth creating {{Germany-mil-unit-stub}} and {{US-mil-unit-stub}} aswell. Waacstats (talk) 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, I knew that the full name proposal wasn't correct! Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Links people from this profession. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Would be useful to tie odd biographies from some of the more obscure asian countries together. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have no problem with this but would prefer upmerged by country templates, given that we have 5 categories already I think a category is a given. Waacstats (talk) 12:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
If you think how vast China is and that the near 800 articles we have presently within them are likely to grow considerably I think now would be a good point to create regional templates for general topics like {{Qinghai-stub}} and {{Sichuan-stub}}. I'd imagine some are not easily organised by region and there will be a lot of uneveness towards the main cities like Beijing and Shanghai but I am certain a lot of them could be reorganised. At some point is may even me reasonable to create sub cats of this like {{Sichuan-bio-stub}} etc. but at present I doubt it would be worth it yet. I think it is owrthy creating the templates anyway and the geo stubs can also be sub categorised from the main provincial cats. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think it may be better splitting this in the same way as other countries for now, splitting out -newspaper-, -sport- etc. I haven't loked at the category so I don't know what would be viable and what wouldn't but will try to look later on tonight. Waacstats (talk) 17:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Don't want anything too localised but it would certianly be appropriate to have main stub categories for the huge regions of China. We have {{Tibet-stub}} after all!!
- Dr B? I'm not saying I'm opposed to them but having had a look through China stubs (what a mess) I will add tidying up to my to do list. It seems that these categories would be subcats of Cat:People's Republic of China stubs not Cat:China stubs and that a number of the articles can easily be moved into other appropiate categories (does an article on the Beijing Olympics belong in a PRC-sport- cat or a Beijing- cat) Waacstats (talk) 12:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, you see now what I mean about it being in a mess? It needs work and organization I think. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Over 700 articles. I propose subdividing by state.
I think that's all (I count 50.)Gosox5555 (talk) 14:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that splitting by state is the best way togo with this, maybe a split by period (also taking out all the -bio-, -geo- and -struct- stubs would help). Waacstats (talk) 15:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Weak oppose I agree, I don't think it is necessary given that some history predates the existence of actual states and I do't see an overwhelming amount of stubs for each state. On average it works out as 14 articles per state. History would best be dealt with my time period. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- I must say I agree - this isn't the best way to split this. A large number of US history stubs will almost certainly relate to the history of the country overall, rather than any specific state. If i were going to split them, I'd go by historical period (we already have a pre-Columbian stub, for instance). A US-20thcentury-history-stub, US-19thcentury-history-stub, and US-18thcentury-history-stub might be more useful. It's also worth noting that if we do go with a state-by-state split, many of the proposed names are incorrect - we use CamelCase for stub templates - with no spaces in state names. Grutness...wha? 23:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Agree completely. By century in the US and you have my support. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Over 1700 articles, recently flooded with river articles, in process of adding state templates (see last months proposals) 4 are already over 60, propose
more will surely follow. Waacstats (talk) 11:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC) Support, at least the community didn't propose to nuke those too! Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
The last US state I am splitting, atleast for a while 9though more counties may follow). Already has upmerged template with 60+ articles (mainly on seattle). Speedy? Anyone know of any regions we can use to upmerge the others (same goes for Oregon, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Missouri)? Waacstats (talk) 20:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Add to that Cat:Kitsap County, Washington geography stubs, template has 60 aticles. Waacstats (talk) 09:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
upmerged template with more than 60 articles propose relevant category Cat:Westmoreland County, Virginia geography stubs
- Speedy support per nom - Waacstats, no? Grutness...wha? 01:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just wondering, I thought Virginia's abbreviation (on the templates) is VA not VI ??? or my US state abbreviations is not that good :)? --impactF= 17:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
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- Sorry that was me, a bit rushed on the proposal. And yes Impact having loked into it Virginia is VA not VI I copied the pattern that already existed so now we need someone/some bot to go through and change 100+ templates and edit 1000+ articles then delete 100+ redirects. Since Alai is no longer here anyone know of a bot that could do this? Waacstats (talk) 20:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Shame about Alai. Support anyway per nom Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Composer templates for Europe
Given the major significance of composers in Europe I think we should create composer templates by country. They can be upmerged into music biogrpahy stubs until viable of course.
I propose:
Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Given that we have Cat:European composer stubs I think this can be approved, even speedied. Waacstats (talk) 13:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Create remaining templates for European scientists
I've noticed a lot of templates missing like {{Slovenia-scientist-stub}}, {{Croatia-scientist-stub}} etc. Both counties have a great number of notable scientists, so I'd recommend creating templates for all. Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think this was supposed to happen with te creation of the cat (Especially as we have no {{Europe-scientist-stub}} so can be speedied, if that wasn't the case then tis is surely an S1 speedy. Waacstats (talk) 13:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
1300+, many thousands will be added in coming weeks too. Split by main party and upmerge the others. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, I'd help but I've still got Four overized geo cats to sort. Waacstats (talk) 17:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Several hundred and counting. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The intersection between overpopulated Cat:Prehistoric mammal stubs and the Cat:Even-toed ungulate stubs category. At least 95 as of now. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Support, not sure about the naming though, this is correct Waacs? Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- Naming here follows the same pattern as Cat:Prehistoric mammal stubs/{{paleo-mammal-stub}}. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- The nature categories aren't my area of expertise here but this looks OK to me. Waacstats (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
upmerged template passed 60, others may follow. Waacstats (talk) 21:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC) Support Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support- this would appear to be speedy S1. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support Waacstats (talk) 21:31, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I think this may also be viable for its own category. Dr. Blofeld White cat 15:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support have been looking at this myself. Category iff this reaches 60. Waacstats (talk) 21:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Conductor templates for Europe
Given the major significance of conductors and orchestral music in mainland Europe I think we should create conductor templates by country. They can be upmerged into music biogrpahy stubs.
I propose:
We currently have 541 stubs and many hundreds needing transwikiying so one can imagine that some of these ar elikely to be viable for their own categories too. Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Assuming no individual country reaches 60, Support and it may be worth a Cat:European conductor stubs if we're going to have these templates. Waacstats (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Given time I expect the majority of them to be viable for their own categories but Eureopan conductor stubs will certainly be the start, Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support creating the templates above and Cat:European conductor stubs - both for upmereging templates until there are enough stubs in the relevant category, and as parent categor for the stub categories once there are enough subs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've been all the way through Cat:Conductor stubs and those templates above that are still red would have 0 articles so I have not yet created them. Waacstats (talk) 14:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
This is also nearing 60. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Give the number of articles we have and vastness of the topic I also propose the following:
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| Some countries in Latin America too: |
- Not so sure on these, the two european countries that alreadyhave categories are severley undersized and the fact the parent is only around 400, I think we may be better waiting till this gets a bit bigger and continueing with splitting indvidual countries out. On saying that this is a week oppose and am open to having my mind changed (through discussion or bribery)Waacstats (talk) 21:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Mmm I see your point, I was just looking at Category:Croatian cuisine and seeing how many articles are not even stub tagged and sorted. There are likely to be a much greater number than 400 stubs. For example Hladetina. Best way is to look at the actual categories, the croatian one is practically viable I' am certain there are way more than 400 stubs. Just browse through the European cuisine categories and sub categories by country. Dr. Blofeld White cat 22:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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- Support - I think many of these should be created - especially the larger countries like Sweden and France. Others like Malta, might not have enough stubs. - AKeen (talk)
And any other European country except the micro states. Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support these and if the micro states have a couple of universities then i would go as far as supporting them, (I seem to recall that Vatican has a number of theological colleges (universities)). no reason to treat them different because they happen to be small. Waacstats (talk) 09:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
OK I propose the following templates then. God knows how many missing universities we have particularly in Eastern Europe.
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- Given existing by continent subcats, support just remember to upmerge the templates to existing categories, I've changed the Netherlands one.Waacstats (talk) 21:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, though i'll nitpickingly add that Belize, Guyana, and Suriname are not technically Latin American, even though they are all in Central or South America :) BTW - do you mean Dominica-university-stub or DominicanRepublic-university-stub? The latter sounds more useful... Grutness...wha? 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
{{NewSouthWales-river-stub}} from this list here. Over 300 New South Wales river articles were mechanically created by AlbertHerring (talk · contribs). While there has been discussion about the appropriateness of this at the Australian Wikipedians' notice board, I think it is fairly safe to say that they are here for keeps. Given that, it is probably appropriate that they have their own stub template and category, especially as the {{NewSouthWales-geo-stub}} cat now has over 1,000 articles. The concern I have is that there does not seem to be a parent stub category for {{Australia-river-stub}} or even {{river-stub}}. Advice gratefully accepted. -- Mattinbgn\talk 22:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- strong oppose. As has been mentioned here frequently in the past, geo-stubs aren't split by landform. This is the reason we have no overall {{river-stub}}, {{lake-stub}}, {{town-stub}}, {{
