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[edit] Novel categorization discussionThis is your place to talk about the specific issue surrounding the categorization of Novel articles. I would expect this to include, creation of categories, and stub templates and how to best use them in specific instances. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page) 09:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC) [edit] Project request for genreThis is a topic started by Eagle (talk) (desk) The argument is that a genre section should be added to the Wikibook template. The primary purpose of this addition is to help us categorize book and mainly novel articles. As it is right now, some of the articles and the majority of the stubs don't even mention what genre the book is in. This in my experience makes things very difficult if not impossible to categorize things.Eagle (talk) (desk) 16:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC) [edit] A link to the request on WikiProject BooksWikipedia talk:WikiProject Books#Template---Eagle (talk) (desk) 16:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC) [edit] Discussion BelowAfter there was little or no discussion - I have made the changes necessary to add Genre or Subject (for non-fiction) to the template. These are both optional as there are each applicable one for fiction and the other for non-fiction. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page) 09:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC) [edit] Which Genre should we haveFurther to the ideas on the General Forum. What genres should we have I have thought to set up what I think are the main one. Do we need more and what would be a full set. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page) 09:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC) [edit] There has been an question raised about Genre listI propose we have a project list of genre we recognise and recommend people use when describing the Novel, and filling the "Genre" parameter of the infobox. I have been using the list on Literary genre but that appears to be a bit loose, either in name used and or what is included or excluded. I think if we immediately include this on the Main Project page under the Hierarchy definition it would swamp it. Ok, based on the article mentioned above I would propose we use the following: Any comments please to this article talk page, then agreed adjustments here, then we can talk aboust how to best publish / advertise our list and its use. Please bear in mind this is realy to be a current list to assist in categorise articles, and their infobox "genre" parameter, but as we add Stub Notices then they would potentially end up in the Hierarchy Definition table. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page) 12:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC) What if it is more than one??? Lady Nimue of the Lake 07:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
My 2 cents:
Nice to get some response here
Just my view of course. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the list neglects an important genre-- the Bildungsroman (sometimes known as the coming-of-age novel). It needs to be included because of the importance it has had in developing the novel genre itself, and because there are so many prominent examples (Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship, Great Expectations, David Copperfield, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, etc.etc.) -- Lexiconstipation 27 October 2008 [edit] More CategoriesI think more categories are needed like, Adventure novels and comedy novels , parody novels etc.What do you think?--Dwaipayanc 06:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC) Uhh hold off of that idea for the moment, the WP:SFD people are already trying to delete the ones we have now!!! Great enthusiam though!!!Eagle (talk) (desk) 05:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Not seeing it here, but how is non-fiction represented? PeregrineV 17:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC) It isn't, because this is a novels (i.e. fiction) project. You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Books. Her Pegship 22:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC) OK, thanks. Don't read much non-fiction but want to be fair to what I do read. PeregrineV 16:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Just as a suggestion, what if we put something like 'adult books', 'teenage fiction' ratings on the article so that the inspired readers who instantly want to go off know what they're diving into?Lady Nimue of the Lake 08:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] User:Gnome (Bot)---Proposed on WT:BOTGnome bot is a bot programmed in C++/CLI. The bot is capable of running any regex operation, making it good for working with stubs and categories, as will as anything else that requires something added, or removed, or changed.
I posted all of that, just to give everyone here the heads up, as the only person I have spoken to so far is Kevinalewis. P.S. As it is I am very upset with the WP:SFD people after Kevinalewis told me what they were doing. [edit] Book stubs that are novel stubsI am right now regexing for potential Novel stubs in book stubs. I will, when I am done post a list wikilinked of the pages on a user subpage. That way humans can make sure that only novel stubs are moved. (A bot really should not be used, because of a few potential regex mistakes.) Perhaps someone with AutoWikiBrowser can do the work. (My bot is only automated).Eagle (talk) (desk)
[edit] Category:Philosophical novelsI have started a discussion to try and refine the criteria notice for the Category:Philosophical novels on Category talk:Philosophical novels. If you would like to contribute, please reply there. Thanks! --Syrthiss 13:48, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Horror novel stub proposedPlease feel free to put your 2 cents in at the stub proposals page. Thanks! Her Pegship 05:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC) [edit] Novels by country categoriesCurrently the list of Categories for assignment by country run as follows. Do we have any glaring omissions? Seems pretty good to me, if you look at the Category:Novels by country page, you will notice a few more countries that contain only a few novel links(Colombian, Khazkastani, etc); but I added these just for the sake of completeness. I expect that we will add more categories for smaller countries as we continue to expand. -- Gizzakk 20:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Science fiction books/novels stubsWe have Cat:Science fiction books and {{sf-book-stub}}, which is for anthologies and books about the science fiction genre. We also have Cat:Science fiction novels and {{sf-novel-stub}}, for actual novels which are science fiction. However, {{sf-novel-stub}} redirects to {{sf-book-stub}}! I just wanted to give anyone a heads-up that I'm going to un-redirect it and make the distinction clearer. Anyone else who wants to help re-sort the titles, come on down. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 16:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cat: year book to Cat: year novelWe are moving novels that are in (Category: year book) to (Category: year novel)? I've been doing so, but was asked and I can't find confirmation here. Grey Shadow 01:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Moving Books to NovelsI've started working my way through the Cat: year books, to move novels into the Cat: year novels. I've done a bunch randomly, but have now decided to work from Cat:1900 books forward.
[edit] Children's bookFive Children and It is listed as a Children's book. Would you class it as a novel? Grey Shadow 12:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Another one. The Tale of Squirrel Nutkin, a novel? Grey Shadow 13:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sketches: novels or not?Mostly written by 19th and 20th century humourists, books of "sketches" are somewhat between what could be a short story collection and a conventional novel. They have overlapping series of characters & often setting. They generally follow a linear timeline (with the outcome of one sketch influencing what happens later) and sometimes have plot elements that span more than one sketch though they don't have an overarching plot that regular novels have. Examples are Leacock's Sunshine Sketches of a Little Town and Arcadian Adventures with the Idle Rich, Sketches by Boz and The Pickwick Papers by Dickens, and The Clockmaker by Haliburton. I notice that Pickwick Papers is treated as a novel, but Sunshine Sketches isn't. So what do all of you think? I vote novels because regular short stories are discrete entities moreso than are sketches (though to be fair, they were often originally published discretely in serial form). Of course some books of sketches are more cohesive than others. It's a little tricky.--Ibis3 17:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
See, an ongoing debate on this subject area at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/GeneralForum#Project_Scope_and_Short_Stories. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC) [edit] Cat:Novels by publisherDo we really want to go there??? Recently created by someone who (kindly, I hope) has been creating "requested" categories right and left. Pegship 12:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Uncategorised novel stubsThere seem to be large numbers of novel stubs missing categories in general (other than the stub type), and genre and year-of-publication categories in particular. If there's anyone working on categorisation of novels, I might be able to assist by populating maintenance categories, such as Cat:Uncategorised novels (or Cat:Uncategorised novel stubs if you want to be more specific), Cat:Year of publication category needed, and the like. Comments? Alai 16:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Books/works/etc. by author categoriesCross-posted to Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion, Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (categories) (this is where the November discussion was), Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Books
[edit] Discussion about "series of" and "novels in series"There's a bid to merge Cat:Series of fantasy books + Cat:Fantasy books by series, and likewise for fantasy novels, going on over at CfD Her Pegship (tis herself) 03:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC). [edit] British novel? English novel? Neither?This may have been discussed somewhere before, but after scanning dozens of long pages such as Wikipedia:Categorization, Wikipedia:Categorization and subcategories, this one here, and all their corresponding talk pages, and now being none the wiser, my rather simple question (not rhetorical) is this: What is the point of having a Category:British novels and a Category:English novels if both are removed from an article on a British / English novel (A Heritage and Its History)? For my previous confusion on this subject, see this discussion on my talk page and the arguments propounded at this deletion request, both of which I found only partly enlightening. Unless I get an answer soon, I'm going to post a copy of the above at Wikipedia talk:Categorization. (Sounds like a threat, but I'm just reading another detective novel.) <KF> 14:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC) [edit] Epic Fantasy, etc.?Should there be any (hence the etc.) subheadings of fantasy in this list, or should they all bbe grouped under Fantasy like they are now? the_ed17 16:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Prose Fiction before the NovelBased on the main page of this Wikiproject (and the article Novel) I take it that this is included in the scope of WP Novels, but wanted to double-check. (By 'before the novel' I mean very roughly pre-1700.) To give a couple of examples of, would Satyricon or the Countess of Pembroke's Arcadia be under this Wikiproject? Thanks Hadrian89 (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
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