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See also: [edit] Education - University College Dublin Law Society (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Recreation of previously previously deleted student society which still fails WP:N and still smacks of WP:PROMOTION. Still a lack of reliable refs also. Delete Féasógach (talk) 11:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC) - Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. -- Mm40 (talk) 12:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. -- Mm40 (talk) 12:59, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep - the editors don't help themselves by including unsourced puffery (I've cleaned out the worst) and trivia. However, this society does get regular press mentions and is just worth keeping. TerriersFan (talk) 15:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —TerriersFan (talk) 15:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- keep This article deserves a space just like any other article! down with fascist wikipedia! keep wikipedia a free encyclopedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uni4life (talk • contribs) 15:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- The fallaciousness of such arguments as this is discussed at Wikipedia:Pokémon test. --Bejnar (talk) 21:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. (Shame about the above comment, but anyway). I guess this society is similar to the Oxford and Cambridge unions, but with a bit less history behind it. It appears that it has received some coverage, and had notable speakers participating in debates. Is it a potentially useful encyclopaedic topic? I think so. Quantpole (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep per discussion above, but it needs a lot of format repair: citations don't seem to be how they should be. Can this be fixed? Bearian (talk) 16:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Neutral This is full of puffery. The Law Society is a student society of the University College Dublin Law School, on which we don't even have an article. "Established in 1911", well yes, there will have been a student law society for as long as there's been a faculty of law there - big deal. "4,500 members"? - well, since the source is a deadlink that's unverifiable - but many student societies have inflated numbers by counting every enrolled student within certain classes as a "member" of the appropriate society - even if they never attend. I was a member of several. Some famous speakers? Big deal. I'll bet Mary McAleese also speaks to church groups too occasionally. The question is, were these significant and highly reported speeches - or just stump speeches from politicians doing the rounds? Show me some media reporting and not just the inevitable press release. "Mooting" competitions? All Law faculties do those. Illustrious honorary members? Do they do significant things, or is this just a nod to alumni of the faculty? We need some verifiable sign of notability here. I could be convinced to keep this - but the keep voters need to do some work to verify something from independent 3rd party sources.--Scott Mac (Doc) 17:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep I think this is an exception to the general rule about student societies. (I say this although I have almost always !voted delete for them). It has a major role in an important university. DGG ( talk ) 17:14, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete - non notable student society. Snappy (talk) 23:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete None of the "keeps" above seem to address the lack of notability. At best this society deserves a line or at most two in the article about the University College Dublin. It does not appear to be independently notable. DGG says it has a major role at the University College Dublin, but the sources do not support that statement. While it is very true that a number of notable people have appeared at their functions, that in an of its self does not make it a notable student society. Note that the "media coverage" is The University Observer which is a student newspaper distributed throughout campus of University College Dublin fortnightly. There is no significant independent media coverage. --Bejnar (talk) 21:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- I should note that "press mentions" and "significant coverage" are not the same thing. Please read the notability guidelines and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. --Bejnar (talk) 21:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep This society hosted an event this year, spoken at by 8 mainstream Irish politicians including an ex Prime Minister, attended by a capacity crowd of 1500 as well as press from the Irish Times, Evening Herald and RTE. I realise most of the debate on this society is not by Irish people, and maybe you don't understand the importance of people involved to the nation of Ireland. But this society does play a significant role on the central stage. I'll search for more sources, however I do know a history is currently being compiled by a third party. As for the above comment, I'd note that 2 of the sources on the page are the Irish Times and Evening Herald, which are mainstream press, the Mao article which is referenced from the UCD home page can be found also in the IrishTimes by simply putting in an IrishTimes search for UCD Lawsoc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.72.7 (talk) 03:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable. Important role? How exactly? What official role does it play in the University? Yes it may host an important talk once or twice a year but I don't think that it warrants it's own article.109.78.180.163 (talk) 17:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
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This article appears to fall under WP:SOAP and WP:NOR, as the author appears to be the creator of the project itself and the references section cites only the author's own unpublished documents. Simple Google searches for the subject reveal no significant third-party results. Although a commendable effort, I don't think the inclusion of this article in Wikipedia is warranted. Paul_012 (talk) 07:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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