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[edit] October 1[edit] {{Cave-stub}} / Cat:Cave stubs
The result of the debate was delete Created recently unproposed. I've no objection to caving-stub, made at the same time as this one, but cave-stub is already causing problems with articles being removed from the geo-stub regional categories. Removing, say a NorthYorkshire-geo-stub and adding a generic cave-stub makes articles harde to find, and specific regional cave stubs would be serious overkill. The situation parallels that with climbing-stub - individual climbs are double-stubbed with climbing-stub and whatever location-specific geo-stub is appropriate - this allows editors who know a specific area to find the articles without disadvantaging editors of articles about climbing. The same situation should happen here - delete this, and double-stub with caving-stub and location-specific geo-stubs. Grutness...wha? 00:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 2[edit] {{MN-LRT-stub}} & redirect {{MSP-LRT-stub}} / Cat:Light Rail in Minnesota stubs
The result of the debate was delete Unproposed, poorly named, and unnecessary. 19 items, static since January 2007. Delete. Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Idaho-bio-stub}} / redlinked cat
The result of the debate was delete Used on 2 items, not part of a WPJ, no change since January 2007. Delete. Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Weightlifting-stub}} / Cat:Weightlifting stubs
The result of the debate was upmerge Created out of process on the tails of the duly-approved {{weightlifting-bio-stub}}. Languishing in WPSS-Discoveries since Feb 2007. Delete. Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Germany-law-stub}} / Cat:German law stubs
The result of the debate was keep 54 items, no WPJ. Upmerge to Cat:European law stubs. Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 6[edit] {{MBTA-stub}} / Cat:MBTA stubs
The result of the debate was delete Unproposed, badly named, and unnecessary. Cat:Rapid transit stubs is not yet at a splitting level, and even if it was, there are far more viable subtypes than this (BART is a far more likely contender, for instance, as are by-country splits of some parts of Europe and Asia). In any case, the name is poor, to say the least (the permcat parent is not Cat:MBTA, and nor should it be, and the template name is equally poor). At the very least this neds a rename and upmerge, though its existence overall is very questionable. Grutness...wha? 00:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 9[edit] {{Gesnariaceae-stub}} / Cat:Gesnariaceae stubs
The result of the debate was speedy delete Could someone speedy delete these please?? I slipped up on the spelling and have now created the CORRECT template and category. Sheesh. Her Pegship (tis herself) 18:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{TZ-actor-stub}} (redlink)
The result of the debate was rename, upmerge, delete redirect While the idea of a separate actor-stub for each country is a reasonable one, this one is in serious need of a rename and upmerge, with the current name not kept as a redirect. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Astronomical-surveys-stub}} / (redlinked permcat)
The result of the debate was rename/rescope to astronomical-catalogue-stub/Astronomical catalogue stubs Unproposed, no text at all, the only category is a misnamed permcat (no stubcat link of any kind), and the template is misnamed with plural adjectival form. If kept - upmerged - it should be at astronomy-survey-stub, but with fewer than 60 articles in the (correctly named, lowercase) permcat (of which, cattersect shows only 18 in Cat:Astronomy stubs), it seems hardly necessary. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 10[edit] {{Alt-country-album-stub}} / N/A
The result of the debate was delete Not used and has no category. Rocket000 23:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Taiwan-tv-stub}} / Cat:Taiwan television stubs
The result of the debate was keep 49 articles, no growth since February 2007, and the category would need renaming anyway. Upmerge for now to Cat:Asian television stubs. Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{ethics-stub}} / Cat:Ethics stubs
The result of the debate was keep Has 26 articles and belongs to Wikipedia:WikiProject Moral Philosophy. Keep or upmerge to Cat:Philosophy stubs? Her Pegship (tis herself) 16:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 11[edit] {{Discrimination-stub}} / Cat:Discrimination stubs
The result of the debate was delete Unproposed, discovered in February, used on one item since then. Delete. Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Sect-stub-1632}}
The result of the debate was move to 1632-sectstub, delete redirect This one's a tricky one. Its documentation seems to suggest some confound between being a sectstub (i.e., a {{1632-sectstub}}) and being a Start-class template. What is clear though is that it isn;t part of the stubbing scheme, and therefore shouldn't have "-stub" as part of its name. If there's a genuine purpose for it, then a move to {{1632-sectstub}} is probably the best remedy. Grutness...wha? 00:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{French-club-stub}}
The result of the debate was delete Where to start? Okaaay... Name uses "French" instead of "France". Ambiguity about what kind of club - Sport? Social? Political? Hobby? Lack of category. Failed attempt at applying an image icon. Never proposed. Unused... my guess is that this is an attempt to create a {{France-footyclub-stub}}. If so, that's already been done, so this is unnecessary. Whatever is the case, {{French-club-stub}} is of no use and should be deleted. Grutness...wha? 00:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 12[edit] {{Fr-compu-bio-stub}} / Cat:French computer specialist stubs, and {{De-compu-bio-stub}} / Cat:German computer specialist stubs
The result of the debate was rename, upmerge to European computer specialist stubs Unproposed and poorly named, and the categories have dubious parentages, too (are all computer specialists automatically engineers?). No certainty that either of these would reach threshold, either, though compu-bio-stub is getting close to needing a split. Propose renaming to NG-compliant {{France-compu-bio-stub}} and {{Germany-compu-bio-stub}} and upmerging. Grutness...wha? 02:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 13[edit] {{Mississippi-media-stub}} / Cat:Mississippi media stubs
The result of the debate was delete Unproposed, and cuts through the stub hierarchy. There's also some apparent confusion about parentage - for some reason, the category has Cat:American politician stubs as a parent, and (as far as I know) no American politicians are media (they may be mediums, but that's another matter). Longstanding procedure is to split primarily by type of medium and only then by nation and subnational region. That's why we have state-specific newspaper-stub types, but no media-stub type even at national level. Both the articles which use this stub should be using the long-established {{Mississippi-newspaper-stub}}, not this new media-stub (which should be deleted). Grutness...wha? 01:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 15[edit] {{Synchro-stub}} / Cat:Synchronized skating stubs
The result of the debate was delete Unproposed, unlikely to gain close to threshold number of stubs, and one of the most ambiguously named stub templates I've seen in a long while. My first thought was "synchronisation", then I considered that "synchronised swimming" would be the most likely candidate. But no, this is for synchroniused skating - something for which the (unlisted) permcat has only six articles. Given that its stub parent (Cat:figure skating stubs) doesn't number 100 articles, the chances of this reaching the splittable threshold any time soon are remote, to say the least. This at the very least needs to be renamed to something less ambiguous (e.g., synchro-skating-stub) and upmerged, but the necessity for its existence is pretty questionable, to say the least, so deletion is also an option. Grutness...wha? 23:52, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Military-memorials-and-cemeteries-stub}}
The result of the debate was rename to mil-memorial-stub Unproposed creation, but at 43 stubs within 24 hours it seems reasonable (though if it doesn't reach threshold, the possibility of an upmerger arises. It's in desperate need of a rename, though: either {{Mil-cemetery-stub}} or {{Mil-memorial-stub}} (or both!) would be more NG-standard. My preference would be for the latter, since cemeteries are de facto memorials anyway. Grutness...wha? 22:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Korean-cuisine-stub}}
The result of the debate was rename Unproposed creation, but at 40 stubs within 24 hours it seems reasonable (though if it doesn't reach threshold, the possibility of an upmerger arises. It does need a rename, though, to the NG-standard {{Korea-cuisine-stub}}. Grutness...wha? 22:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
--Appletrees 12:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC) The four examples you give show exactly why I proposed the renaming. The names of all the templates - as with all other nation-specific templates - are in the noun form: Turkey-cuisine-stub, not Turkish-cuisine-stub, Spain not Spanish, Mexico not Mexican, and India not Indian. So Korea-cuisine-stub is the preferred naming. Its standard stub template naming, as it gets aroudn those fiddly cases where the adjectival nationality name can't be easily guessed. Grutness...wha? 23:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Reggae-single-stub}} / (No category)
The result of the debate was delete Delete This stub doesn't have a category, and is hardly used. Last SfD - Rocket000 14:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 19[edit] {{Bartending-stub}}
The result of the debate was delete Hanging around since February; upmerges to Cat:Mixed drink stubs, but only used on 3 items. Delete. Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{SNK-stub}} / Cat:SNK stubs
The result of the debate was delete For stub articles related to video game company SNK Playmore. Last I heard, you had to be Disney to get your own branded stub type. Unproposed, contains 32 items, which is probably the sum total of the parent cat and its sub-cats. Delete. Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New Zealand geo stub cats
The result of the debate was see closing note below I propose we delete these categories and upmerge the templates. Per previous discussion, the categories would need renaming at any rate, and all of them have fewer than 40 articles, most fewer than 30.
And I propose we rename this one: Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 14:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Mississippi-television-station-stub}}
The result of the debate was rename to Mississippi-tv-station-stub Unproposed creation part-way through a debate on Mississippi-media-stub, a debate where the creator presumably took my own personal opinion on the viability of a naming-guideline compliant stub type as an overall endorsement by the stub-sorting community (which it wasn't) of one with a different non-standard name. Though I personally think that such a stub type would be useful, it certainly should have a uniform name with other such templates, and should be correctly formatted as regards parent categories (a stub template shouldn't have permcat links, to start with). Rename this to the standard {{Mississippi-tv-station-stub}} and fix it up, at the very least. Grutness...wha? 00:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Close Would an admin please close this? It's already been redirected and taken care of. Thanks. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 03:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 20[edit] Cat:Zimbabwean ethnic group stubs
The result of the debate was delete
[edit] {{Math-comp-stub}}/Cat:Mathematics Competitions stubs[edit] {{Math-comp-bio-stub}}/Cat:Mathematics Competitions biography stubs
The result of the debate was rename, delete
[edit] October 21[edit] {{Baseball stub}}
The result of the debate was speedy delete Unproposed badly formed duplicate of {{Baseball-stub}}, brought to you by User:Someguyudontknow, who is becoming a little bit of a problem (this is one of four recent creations by this editor that have appeared here). Delete. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{South america-stub}}
The result of the debate was speedy delete Unproposed badly formed duplicate, brought to you by User:Someguyudontknow, as above. Delete. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Brazil stub}}
The result of the debate was speedy delete Unproposed badly formed duplicate, brought to you by User:Someguyudontknow, as above. Delete. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{Muni-stub}}
The result of the debate was rename, upmerge
[edit] October 22[edit] Cat:Batswana people stubs → Cat:Botswanan people stubs
The result of the debate was rename per permcat Inconsistent with permcat. As suggested at WSS/P, if the permcat's wrong, take that to CFR. (I'm not personnally much inclined to do so, as it's as clear as mud which is correct: Botswana claims Batswana is a civic demonym (though this is a recent addition, and one wonders as to its "stability"), but Tswana claims exactly the opposite. Alai 20:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Category:Seasonal time shifting
The result of the debate was misplaced nomination
[edit] October 23[edit] Clearing up the cricket stubs
The result of the debate was upmerge all; rename history, comps, terms; delete redirects except for history
The general impression I got from the discussion at Discoveries was that (a) stub guidelines suggest these should all be upmerged to Cat:Cricket stubs (and {{cricket-comps-stub}} should be renamed), or (b) WSS should just keep their mitts off and let the cricket WP people have them. Any thoughts? Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cat:Taiwan television stubs → Cat:Taiwanese television stubs
The result of the debate was rename To conform with other stub cats and naming guidelines. Her Pegship (tis herself) 20:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{NorthernMarianaIslands-radio-station-stub}} / Cat:Northern Mariana Islands radio station stubs
The result of the debate was rename and upmerge Unproposed, very very tiny category with misnamed template (standard is NorthernMarianas-x-stub). The parent permcat has fewer than ten articles, and the template that links all the stations lists six stations in total, using just seven frequences. This will never reach the required threshold. Upmerge to the Oceania radio station stub category and generic Northern Marianas stub category, as per standard procedure for small types. Grutness...wha? 01:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cat:American Samoa radio station stubs
The result of the debate was upmerge As above, unproposed and hopelessly small. Never going to get within a bull's roar of threshold - at least this time the template is well named. Upmerge. Grutness...wha? 01:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 25[edit] {{Japan-route-stub}} → {{Japan-road-stub}} / Cat:Japan national highway stubs → Cat:Japanese road stubs
The result of the debate was speedy rename, with agreement of creator
[edit] October 28[edit] {{HK-sports-venue-stub}} / Cat:Hong Kong sports venue stubs
The result of the debate was speedy delete as creation of a banned user.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC) Unproposed and - given the size of the parent cat (which, with its subcats, totals just 24 articles) - not likely to get close to threshold. Also uses the long deprecated "HK" component in the template name. Propose rename of template to standard {{HongKong-sports-venue-stub}} with deletion of redirect, upmerger, and deletion of category. Grutness...wha? 01:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 29[edit] Cat:Music producer stubs
The result of the debate was delete, use Record producer stubs Following a request by another user in IRC. Possibly superceded by Cat:Record producer stubs. Changes already made without discussion by newbie. Listing here anyway. Relata refero 17:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cat:Cat stubs → Cat:Felid stubs/{{cat-stub}} → {{felid-stub}}
The result of the debate was rename to feline-stub/cat:feline stubs I believe that the name of this category is mis-leading - this category is not about domestic cats, but about all Felids. Od Mishehu 10:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 30[edit] {{water-stub}} → {{water-transport-stub}}
The result of the debate was rename A little housekeeping; rename to reflect actual scope of Cat:Water transport stubs. Her Pegship (tis herself) 19:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] October 31[edit] {{Afro-stub}} / Cat:African diaspora stubs
The result of the debate was keep cat as is, rename template to Africandiaspora-stub
"I hope this doesn't mean that we'll end up seing Bill Cosby and Obama tagged as African diaspora as well."
"African diaspora movement "
Just to be clear African American stubs should be a subset of Afro-Diaspora stubs. Nothing should be tagged with both. Other subsets of the African Diaspora we might want to consider creating are things like the Afro-Cuban, Afro-__ etc. There should not be a zillion articles tagged with the Diaspora stub tag since there are very few things that aren't a part of one region or another. There has been talk about an African American project, but until the African Diaspora project becomes bigger that's tabled. Bill Cosby would fall under such a project. That said, not every single Afro-___ person or thing should get this tag, just the ones that play some role in Diaspora history. I a bit annoyed that there was no message on the talk page, too. futurebird 02:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
What is a more refined place for this? The other reason I'm asking about this is I'd like to help find other stubs for our project, but it's not clear where in stub sorting they might be...futurebird 17:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I think I've come across where some of these hardcoded stub categories came from. 128.111.56.35. Given the timing of the edits and the similar edit summaries I'm thinking maybe an unauthorized bot? CJ 23:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] {{game-theory-stub}} / Cat:Game theory stubs → upmerged {{gametheory-stub}}
The result of the debate was rename and upmerge Contains 30 articles, potential for a few more. Per Grutness' suggestion at Discoveries, I suggest we delete the category and rename and upmerge the template. Her Pegship (tis herself) 03:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
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