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To make a change to an entry, make the change on the linked talk page. | This list is also available in a page-link-first format. [edit] December 19, 2009 - (Discuss) — Rehat Maryada → NewName — The term "Rehat Maryada" means just Code of Conduct. Code of Conduct is a generic term. This article is specifically about the "Sikh" Rehat Marayada (Sikh Code of Conduct). In India there are many Rehat Maryada's. Hinduism, Buddism, Islam, Christianity etc, all have REhat Maryada's. Therefore to make this article more specific, It should be named "Sikh Rehat Maryada". See the following references:#[1]#[2]#[3] Thanks --Sikh-History 09:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] December 18, 2009 - (Discuss) — Rabi Island → Rabi (island) — The name of the Fijian island is "Rabi", not "Rabi Island". This usage is supported by the external links, and the foreign language Wikipedias. --84.92.117.93 (talk) 23:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — West Midlands Railway → West Midland Railway — The current name "West Midlands Railway" is incorrect. Source: Oxford Companion to British Railway History edited by Jack Simmons & Gordon Biddle, published by Oxford University Press 1997. Page 561. I can't do a simple move as the target page exists as a redirect --Bruern Crossing (talk) 20:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Frederick Mills → Fred Mills — Since more of the name on the disambiguation page are Fred or Freddie than Frederick, I believe that this page should be "Fred Mills" instead. P Carn (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] December 17, 2009 - (Discuss) — RadioShack → Radioshack — Per WP:MOSTM. Trademarks that are rendered in uppercase as a matter of corporate policy rather than because of an underlying linguistic reason are to be converted to the same regular sentence case that any other proper noun would appear in. --Labattblueboy (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — CinemaScope → Cinemascope — Per WP:MOSTM. Trademarks that are rendered in uppercase as a matter of corporate policy rather than because of an underlying linguistic reason are to be converted to the same regular sentence case that any other proper noun would appear in. --Labattblueboy (talk) 21:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — CamelCase → Camel case —
Per WP:MOSTM. Trademarks that are rendered in uppercase as a matter of corporate policy rather than because of an underlying linguistic reason are to be converted to the same regular sentence case that any other proper noun would appear in. --Labattblueboy (talk) 21:08, 17 December 2009 (UTC) Rendering a title a noun in camel case or in any other unnecessary stylized fashion, without an underlying linguistic reason, appears inappropriate. WP:NAME notes that lower case is most appropriate, except for proper names. WP:MOSTM and WP:CAPS equally appear to show that stylized nouns or names are inappropriate. --Labattblueboy (talk) 05:58, 18 December 2009 (UTC) - (Discuss) — YouTube → Youtube — Per WP:MOSTM. Trademarks that are rendered in uppercase as a matter of corporate policy rather than because of an underlying linguistic reason are to be converted to the same regular sentence case that any other proper noun would appear in. --Labattblueboy (talk) 20:28, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Cocoa → Cacao — Cacao is also a name used instead of cocoa, and is typically more coherent with the other article at Wikipedia, Theobroma cacao.KVDP (talk) 10:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Cacao → Theobroma cacao — The tree (unto which this article is dedicated) is named Theobroma cacao, not cacao (this is also a name for the matter found in the fruit of the tree.KVDP (talk) 10:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Irrigation → Watering — I propose to move the article to watering. Irrigation is a word that can only be used with the watering of plants, meaning that the article could be possibly expanded if watering is used instead. In addition, watering is more clear (eg the supplying of water). Irrigation could possibly also be mistaken with the supplying of liquid fertiliser (water + fertilizer).KVDP (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Pirate Party → Pirate Party (Sweden) — For disambiguation. Whilst the Swedish Pirate Party is the biggest and most significant party of that name, there are enough other Pirate Parties to create plentiful scope for confusion for both readers and editors. By adding the "(Sweden)" disambiguator to the name of this article, the disambiguation page currently at Pirate Party (disambiguation) can be moved to Pirate Party. This will allow the bots which monitor links to disambiguation pages to flag up any misplaced links, and allow editors to use WP:POPUPS to fix any such incoming links. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Collection plate → Collection (religious) — So far as I can tell, the article as it exists specifically says that less than half of Christianity, the religious group mentioned, even use collection plates. At present, over half of Christianity are within the Roman Catholic Church, which is said by that page to half slightly over half of all Christians within it. I cannot see why we have an article about an aspect of basically universal Christian relevance named after a version of the process used by less than have of even the current Christian population. John Carter (talk) 02:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] December 16, 2009 - (Discuss) — Device file system → device special file — This page mainly discusses the concept of a device special file, not the concept of a special file system that contains device special files It can continue to discuss the latter, e.g. in the devfs section, but the stuff above that section applies even to systems with device special files stored on the root file system. --Guy Harris (talk) 23:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Tradition, Family and Property → American_Society_for_the_Defense_of_Tradition,_Family_and_Property — The article is about the American TFP, not the TFP movement. Another article should be created for that. This article is about the American TFP, which is an independent organization with its own statues, board of directors, president and officers, activities, goals, etc. It is not a "chapter" nor is it "based in Brazil." Name should be changed back to "American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property". Jrb416 (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Office for Standards in Education, Children's Services and Skills → Ofsted — Common form of name, used universally both by [6] and about the organisation. Also, the short form is more durable than the spelled out version, so will avoid need for change next time there's a minor change of title. See "What links here" for interesting collection: many links already via redirects from "Ofsted", "OFSTED", "OfSTED" and "Office for Standards in Education" (name pre-April 2007). PamD (talk) 14:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] December 15, 2009 - (Discuss) — FC MTZ-RIPO → FC MTZ-RIPO Minsk — Adding a city for consistency with other Belarusian football teams. The proposed namespace became available after admin deleted old page (a redirect to this page), but I cannot move the article as the new name is on the blacklist (I suppose because of the 10 capital letters in row, but that's what the team named like officially) --NineInchRuiner (talk) 10:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama (song) → My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama — I want to move this to "MGWTKYM". I have already moved "MGWTKYM" to "MGWTKYM (album)"My arguments are*The Frank Zappa song came first*The album is named after the song, and is by his much-less-known son*I can't speak authoritatively on this, but the album page having the {{notability}} uncertainty template for over a year would support my claim that the album's page is far less often the page people are looking for when they go to My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama.Because the title of this page minus (song) is currently redirecting to the album, I cannot move this page over it. Thanks, admins. ~ magbatz 06:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — User:Heartofj/Jodie Evans → Jodie Evans — This article was created in the namespace in order to be worked on by other users. It has had the formatting streamlined and photos, references and further details added and I believe that it is ready to be moved to the mainspace at this time. --Heartofj (talk) 02:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Track Down → Takedown — None of the two references or three external links in this article even mention the name "Track Down". Therefore I think the title should be restored to what is clearly the main name, "Takedown". A note should be added that the DVD was released as "Track Down" (including the link above as a source), and that's all. Likewise, the fact that this film has been called "hackers 2" (as noted in the section below), should be added to this article, together with a source. Debresser (talk) 00:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] December 14, 2009 - (Discuss) — Stand Back (song) → Stand Back — The Stevie Nicks song is the most notable work with this title, and the clear primary target. Page view statistics also support this move: this article has been viewed 523 times this month, compared to 56 times for The Arrows album, and only 3 times for the April Wine album. --Nelson58 (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — United Jewish Communities → The Jewish Federations of North America — In October 2009, UJC (United Jewish Communities) officially changed its name and logo to The Jewish Federations of North America in order to more closely match the naming conventions of its member Jewish Federations across the US and Canada --- i.e. The Jewish Federation of Geographic Location... --Andyneusner (talk) 20:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Los Da Mystro → Carlos McKinney — Page recently merged. McKinney is listed in jazz dictionaries as "Carlos McKinney"; there is virtually no published material which addresses him as the pseudonym. --Chubbles (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Truvor and Sineus → Sineus and Truvor — - propose moving per order of appearance in the Chronicle (see [7]), per the usual way the two are referred to in Russian (this is original research) and per the names of the same in the other Wikipedias. -- Y not? 03:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] December 13, 2009 - (Discuss) — Mohammad Mosaddegh → Mohammad Mossadegh — Mohammad Mossadegh is the way Iranians spell his name, including his online biographer. NO ONE spells his name the way the title of this article does. The article used to be under this name but was moved without discussion. Chuck Hamilton (talk) 17:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Mohammad Mossadegh → Mohammad Mossadegh — Mohammad Mossadegh is the way Iranians spell his name, including his online biographer. NO ONE spells his name the way the title of this article does. The article used to be under this name but was moved without discussion. Chuck Hamilton (talk) 17:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Abédi Pelé → Abedi Pele — This is the usual spelling of his name. The French press added the diacritics when he moved to France to continue his football. Wikipedia has taken that changed spelling instead of the original. --Natsubee (talk) 09:19, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Rabwah → ??? — Formalizing a long-term talk-page dispute over the correct name for this article. DMacks (talk) 08:28, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Muslim conquest of Persia → Rashidun invasion of Persia — The article subject is about the campaign against the Second Persian Empire, the Sassanid Empire by the Rashiduns. Islam was the religion of the Rashidun units, but it was the Rashidun Caliphate that conquered Persia. We don't go around saying the Christian Invasion of Afghanistan for the War on Afghanistan (2001-Present), we say the American Invasion of Afghanistan. --warrior4321 08:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] December 12, 2009 - (Discuss) — Colombian Primera A → Fútbol Profesional Colombiano — The official name from 2010 is Liga Postobon, furthermore the correct name should be Colombian League of Fútbol Profesional Colombiano. In Colombia the championship is not known as Primera A, that is a mistake. Official communicate from Dimayor: [8] it says in english:"the names of the tournaments of the championships of categories A and B will be: The First Division will be named Liga Postobón, the Second Division will be named Torneo Postobón, meanwhile the U-18 tournament which is organized by the Colombian Football Federation will be known as Campeonato Postobón."--Futbolero (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Michael Stefano → Michael Stefano (porn star) — Michael Stefano the porn star may or may not be better known and a more popular search than Michael Stefano the trainer and published author, but it results in a situation where a Google search shows the porn star only. I know from personal experience that this raises the question for some searchers whether the trainer and published author is in fact a pornographic actor as well. Vikslen (talk) 17:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Ǵorge Ivanov → ? — To the BBC, he is Gjorge and Gjorgje. To The New York Times, Gjorge. To The Daily Telegraph, George. The Guardian prefers Gjorgje, and so does The Washington Post. The Wall Street Journal plumps for George, Gjorge and Georgi. None of these leading English-language press organs calls him Ǵorge. Now, I know the English-language press is notoriously diacritics-averse, and I'm sympathetic to preserving diacritics from Latin alphabets. But common usage shows that English does not call him Ǵorge when transliterating from the Cyrillic, and neither should we. (This, by the way, is standard: Mikhail Gorbachev and not Gorbačev; Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky and not Ilič Čajkovski, etc.) As to whether we should pick Gjorge, Gjorgje, Georgi or George, I have no strong preference: perhaps a slight one for Gjorge. -- Biruitorul Talk 05:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Backlog - (Discuss) — First Amendment → First Amendment (disambiguation) — Although the above IP's tone leaves much to be desired, their essential point appears to be correct. Some searching suggests that the US Constitutional amendment is indeed probably the primary topic for this term and "First Amendment" perhaps ought to be made a redirect. I'm not 100% sure though, so: thoughts? --Cybercobra (talk) 05:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — James Braid (physician) → James Braid (surgeon) — who represented himself as a “general practitioner" on each of his census returns — on each and every document (including his census returns) upon which James Braid stated his occupation he stated “surgeon” (N.B. Never “physician and surgeon” and never “general practitioner”);:(6) He was never a “physician” in either the sense that his practise centred on the delivery of physic, or medicinal compounds, or in the sense of being a specialist in “internal medicine” — he was always a surgeon;:(7) Given the re-definition of the term “physician” in Canada and The USA (see Physician#North_America) in such a general way that it refers to anyone holding a medical degree, the inappropriate bestowal upon Braid of such a categorization, places Braid, prochronistically into a category that did not exist in Braid's lifetime; and:(8) his entire enterprise in relation to his experimentation and investigations into hypnotism can only be understood in terms of the structured thinking of a surgeon — although, of course, in 1815, the surgeons at Edinburgh, the best surgeons in the world, in that age where there were no X-Rays, no stethoscopes, no anaesthetics, no penicillin, etc. were slowly and relentlessly working to change their role from that of the surgeon-apothecary to that of the highly specialized surgeon of today.In summary, any continuation of this outright, deliberate, non-veridical, and misleading misrepresentation of Braid’s true status will only contribute to the massive contemporary (in 2009) misunderstanding of this very important man and his valuable work.••• Lindsay658 (talk) 22:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Glossolalia → Speaking in tongues — per WP:NC, article title should be the most commonly used and recognized, for which readers are most likely to look, and to which editors will most naturally link. Ἀλήθεια 19:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Waste receptacle → Receptacle — * There is no disambiguation page for just the word receptacle. Changing the disambiguation title to receptacle would be more general than using the word under a specific term. I've tried to move the disambiguation page to the new title, but there was a article using the word. So I changed the name of the article to a specific title that had a better fit since there is more definitions related to the word receptacle. Rent A Troop (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Inaccuracies in The Da Vinci Code → Criticisms of The Da Vinci Code — This was the original name. While other names have been suggested, consensus is that the current name is inappropriate. It was changed by one editor unilaterally at the beginning of this year with no prior discussion. It would have been changed back long ago had this been a simple act, but it seems that a longstanding name can be changed with no discussion or consultation, but changing it back, in contrast, is a chore. Consensus at the AfD debate was clear. Paul B (talk) 19:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Interdict (Roman Catholic Church) → Interdict — This is the only article which could be referred to by the noun "Interdict." "Interdict" may also be employed as a verb to refer to other articles, but nouns normally take precedence for the same reason that article titles should be nouns and not verbs. The disambiguation page can be linked via a hatnote on this article. Surveying the incoming links to Interdict, the concept in Roman Catholicism is the most commonly intended meaning anyway. Neelix (talk) 15:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Kraków - Stare Miasto → Kraków Old Town — This name would make more sense (per Warsaw Old Town). The article seems not to be about the administrative district Stare Miasto, but about the Old Town neighbourhood of the city. (As is further evidenced by the Polish WP article to which it is linked.)--Kotniski (talk) 11:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Thocomerius of Wallachia → Thocomerius — An article's name must be recognizable and precise. The first requirement would be met by the suggested name (Thocomerius), and the second one is not satisfied by the present one (Thocomerius of Wallachia). The reliable sources cited in the article suggest that he was not a ruler of Wallachia, therefore the present name of the article is misleading.Borsoka (talk) 19:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Sperm whale family → Physeteroidea — The text of page is about the Physeteroidea superfamily and all of the included taxa, however the name implies that all species are in one single family instead of 2 separate families with several basal species. --Kevmin (talk) 15:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Harder ... Faster → Harder.....Faster — * Proposing this move due to the fact that both the album cover and the official website list the album in question as 'Harder.....Faster' as opposed to the Wikipedia article which lists it as Harder ... Faster. I would perform the move myself as there is no opposition to the move, however the five dot title is apparently title blacklisted. Glandrid (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Euphony Bree → Bree BBC — My reasons are already stated here, so I just repeat that we usually prefer the club's official name as the article's name, not the sponsor name which is changed more frequently. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 11:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Base Oostende → Basketball Club Oostende — Base Oostende is just the sponsor name, the club's official name is, as the article and the website state, Basketball Club Oostende or short BC Oostende. The sponsor's name is only used in the article's name if it is part of the club's name, for example Telekom Baskets Bonn or Brose Baskets, but that's not the case here. The same applies to Euphony Bree (officially Bree BBC), while Union Mons-Hainaut seems to have officially adopted the name Dexia Mons-Hainaut (not 100% sure, though). Anyway, I don't see a reason why sponsor names which aren't part of the club's official names should be part of the articles' names of Belgian clubs, while we consequently use official names in all other cases (for example, Victoria Libertas Pesaro's sponsor name Scavolini Pesaro hasn't changed since 1975, and the club is much better known by its sponsor name, but we correctly use the official name nevertheless). --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 11:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Louis de Saint-Just → Louis Antoine Saint-Just — Saint-Just was named "Louis Antoine" and was throughout his life known as "Antoine" (first to differentiate himself from his father "Louis" and then when the name "Louis" became very unpopular), so it makes no sense for his wiki page to refer to him by a name he did not use. Furthermore, he did not use the "de" in his name during his most recognisable period - the Revolution - and it makes no more sense to refer to him as "de Saint-Just" as it would to refer to "de Robespierre" or "d'Anton" --216.165.61.231 (talk) 02:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Jin Yong → Louis Cha — "Jin Yong" is Cha's pen name and not his "official" name. To Chinese-speaking communities, he is better known as Jin Yong, but to Westerners, he is better known as "Louis Cha" instead. Anyway, this is English Wikipedia, so I think it might be better if he's addressed as "Louis Cha". If I did not remember wrongly, Cha mentioned in an interview or something that he prefers to be addressed as "Mr. Louis Cha" instead of "Mr. Jin Yong" or whatever. I can't remember where I read that from. Anyone would like to help me find the source for that claim? --_LDS (talk) 08:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Cafres → Cafre — * Uh yeah partly for that reason I think this should actually get moved to Cafre since that's what it's actually about; that's the word people use there for what's described in the article for the most part. Like it says on, A la Réunion, contrairement à d'autres pays ou régions du sud-ouest de l'océan Indien, le terme y est d'un emploi courant. Il désigne "tout individu dont le phénotype renvoie plus ou moins aux origines africaines ou/et malgaches", comme le décrit le sociologue Paul Mayoka dans son essai intitulé L'image du cafre.*: Moringue should maybe be moved to Culture of the Indian Ocean Islands- why that's a single article anyway rather than several separate ones I don't know - as well as some info on it being at Réunion. Munci (talk) 14:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Kraft Dinner → Kraft Macaroni and Cheese — I've read the comments of the editors above, but I remain unmoved. The Canadian market is less than 10% of the market for this product [though perhaps they do eat 20% of the product :-) ]. More importantly, NOWHERE on the Kraft Website do I see this product referred to as "Kraft Dinner". I'm not doubting that that's how it's sold in the GWN, I'm just saying that 90% of the world calls it Mac & Cheese, not KD, and therefore that's how it should be entitled here. Unschool 17:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
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