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Contents 1 nepal 2 Background information box 3 What Message Appears After a Speedy Delete Request? 4 Moving an Article 5 Citing sources 6 No Move Tab 7 Draft to article 8 Question 9 What does this tag mean? 10 how do i edit 11 can someone look up then update the page 12 New Guy 13 feedback 14 New Article, help. 15 blackberry 16 Admiral Dudley North RN 17 How do You Create a new Page? 18 Multiple Album covers 19 adding photos 20 Minor company name changes and headers 21 No Move Tab... 22 Still no "move" button 23 avoid article deletion due to copyright infringement 24 Rabin festival 25 Editing Pages 26 Name confusion 27 Johnny Depp Article 28 Draft article 29 How to link Formal learning and Formal Education and Non-formal learning and Non-formal Education? 30 enhanced 'Random article' function 31 No Move Tab 32 editing page with no edit tab 33 Disambiguation link 34 Cecil Williams, former Texas County Commissioner 35 I need a favor 36 my article 37 I don't have the "move" tab 38 temple page 39 citations needed, seriously? 40 Infobox fail 41 need help adding a photo to a page 42 Do i meet the Notability guideline for music? 43 Need feedback for my article "Steel Abrasives" 44 Why Cant I safe my Book permanently? 45 Help for creating new article from my Sandbox 46 Pilates- did he study Yoga suthra of Patanjali? 47 may i translate existing page? 48 Claim anonymous changes 49 Please help with moving my article and references... 50 Please help with moving my article and references... 51 Donations 52 first article 53 Help! 54 inserting an external link that does not take you where it sould 55 Contributing Bird Sounds 56 No move tab? 57 email notice of changes to article 58 New article help

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[edit] nepal

dear sir

i am one of the hotel management student from nepal which is affiliated to preston university USA so called by the school. the school provides 2 and half years diploma from AH&LA which i don't have any problem but the article about preston's unacredited university i am curious to know that is this college's degree of preston's bachelor degree worth? does it ha a value in the market? or is it just making fgool to its students please reply with full detail thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.199.177.56 (talk) 10:30, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Background information box

you know the background information box? how do you create that? Scahyadi (talk) 12:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess you are referring to infoboxes which are a form of template. See Help:Infobox and Category:Infobox templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What Message Appears After a Speedy Delete Request?

I would like to request a Speedy Delete of my first article The Bangellame. What I would like to know is:

1. How do I do this?

2. Is it possible to convey that the request for deletion was made by the author?

Something like: 'This article has been deleted at the request of the author'.

I am a newbie and have made several mistakes, I don't wish to make any more. Thanks in advance. --123flamenco (talk) 15:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit the page and add {{db-g7}} to the top. That will request a speedy deletion of the page under criteria for speedy deletion G7, "Author requests deletion". --Mysdaao ^talk 17:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and put the G7 tag with a comment confirming that you requested deletion out of good faith.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 17:41, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for helping me out. --123flamenco (talk) 18:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Moving an Article

Howdy, I'm a new user and I don't have a move tab to upload a biography I have written. I could use your help. Thank you. It is under user:Thetruthaboutmoviestars/new article.Thetruthaboutmoviestars (talk) 20:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Please read our Conflict of Interest guidelines. Intelligentsium 21:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Citing sources

How would you cite information gained from personal correspondence? Or is that just not something that's done because it's not verifiable? Ekillian (talk) 23:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

You are correct: See WP:NOR. Intelligentsium 23:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] No Move Tab

Hello, I have created a new page

User:Barratta/Ventana Wildlife Society Template:Userspace Ventana Wildlife Societydraft

But I'm unable to move it, as it is less than 4 days old. Can you help? Thanks Alison

Barratta (talk) 03:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Done Sole Soul (talk) 05:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Draft to article

Hey there I cannot for the life of me find how to publish my draft page into a proper article. I'm sure it's simple, but I seem to be failing! Thanks in advance Letty

Zeppyloo (talk) 22:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Y Done here. Hope that's what you wanted. Tim1357 (talk) 22:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I want to buy 100 animals and spend $100 chickens .50 pigs $2.50 cows $10 how many of each do i buy.216.145.77.115 (talk) 01:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the New contributors' help page. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems. Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 01:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What does this tag mean?

I had my article, Mobility as a Service reviewed by one of the wiki editors and the article got tagged as an advertisement. Is an "advert" tagged article eligible for speedy deletion. The message sounds little confusing. Can you please confirm?

Since this is my first wiki article, can you please also help me identify few sections/lines that sound like an advertisement. I would like to use your expertise in revising my article to meet the wiki standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.76.135.254 (talk) 08:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about speedy deletion, the tag on the page is just a way to help users identify, and hopefully fix problems within the article. It also helps readers to know when certain parts of an article might be incorrect. A speedy deletion tag looks more like this: Template:db (follow link).

As for the second part of your query, I recommend contacting Orangemike, the user who added the tag, and politely asking him what his reasons for doing so were so that you can try and fix them. To me it looks like on of the main problems is the format of the article, if you study the layout of a different article on a company, Halfords for instance, and then build Mobility as a Service up around the same basic layout it should be improved greatly. Remember that the article should be completely unbiased, providing the reader with a well rounded view on the subject, and that all statements must be attributed to a reliable source. Kind regards Spitfire^Tally-ho! 10:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] how do i edit

i do not know how to edit and i really want to know —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.22.241 (talk) 20:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Go to any wikipedia article and simply click the edit button (rather like you just did asking this question), from there just change the code and click save. For more see Help:Editing. Remember that all contributions must met our policies and guidelines, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 20:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

This help page actually has a link saying "Click here to ask your question about editing Wikipedia". Articles and most other pages only have links saying "edit" at section headings and a tab at the top saying "edit this page". PrimeHunter (talk) 14:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] can someone look up then update the page

hi i am not really good on computers but i was looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SP-KP/ToDo/salvage2 and i noticed that "cock rock" was missing from the list please feel free to look it up your self but here is a link to what i am refering to http://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfcat_aus/2523703263/ as i am not that interested in getting to know the internet that well can some one please do this for me. thanks Adrian

Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 21:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New Guy

I am new and do not yet have a Move Tab. My ID is Knight1971 and I need help moving my draft User:Knight1971/A Deal in Ostriches. I formally requested a move for my first article and was notified that this request method was more appropriate. Can you help?Knight1971 (talk) 23:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I would, but I have concerns that too much of the article is plot summary. Consider revising with content you would find in an encyclopedia.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 23:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] feedback

How do I get feedback on suggested changes.

Irvdiamod (talk) 01:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, the idea here at wikipedia is that users should be bold in their editing. Go ahead and make the changes, and don't worry about making mistakes, all mistakes can be undone if they need to be. The article's talk page is a good place to start if you want further feedback. Tim1357 (talk) 02:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

See more at Wikipedia:Talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New Article, help.

Hello Wikipedia community,

I recently started work on an article I wish to put out at some point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Krakaet/Tommyknocker

• I was wondering if anyone could look over it and give me some tips for improvement.
• How do I actually put it up as its own page once it is finished.
• It seems there is already a page with the Tommyknocker name, what do I do in this situation?

--Krakaet (talk) 05:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The page called Tommyknocker is a redirect to Knocker (folklore). (To get to the redirect page after you're redirected, click on the link on the "redirected from" note at the top of the page, and there you are.) Since the word is an Americanized version of a Welsh / Cornish folklore creature, it probably isn't significant enough to be the primary entry. So I recommend replacing the current redirect page with yours, and putting a "hatnote" pointing to "Knocker (folklore)" at the top, for which you can see an example in the existing Knocker article, and copy/modify from there. You don't have to rename or move your page, just copy and paste from edit box to edit box. As for the state of the article, it looks close to acceptable. I'll let others comment on whether it meets notability requirements. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 16:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Before taking the above advice, you should address the copyright issues on the image you used. Just click on the image to see the issue.--SPhilbrickT 16:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not good with editing that, exactly what do I click on in order to add my fair use rationale?--Krakaet (talk) 18:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok so I ditched that picture in place of another one that is under creative commons so that settles that. However, I'm still not quite getting this disambiguation thing. . . what are the list of steps I need to follow to get my article off of my user page, set it up as its own, and have it linked on a tommyknocker disambiguation page? and will that take an inordinate amount of work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krakaet (talk • contribs) 20:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] blackberry

how to unlock black berry cellphone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.9.56 (talk) 05:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Miscellaneous reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Admiral Dudley North RN

The current Wikipedia item seems inaccurate in one respect. He is listed as commanding the battleship HMS NEW ZEALAND during World War I, but I have a book of his with the flyleaf inscribed: "Dudley North, Comr. [i.e. Commander], HMAS AUSTRALIA, 2nd Battle Cruiser Squadron, Grand Fleet, Decr. 1918". He could not have commanded any capital ship in a rank lower than Captain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.151.103 (talk) 09:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I would encourage you to look for verifiable sources that confirm what you have found. Unfortunately the source you have is not acceptable for Wikipedia, so in general you should not change the information only on the basis of what you have. However, I see that the article you refer to, Dudley Burton Napier North (it would have been helpful if you had included a link to the article) has no sources at all, so perhaps an appropriate action would be to remove the information which you are contesting. If you do so, it would be a very good idea to add a section to the article's talk page explaining what you have done and why. I see that one contributor is already asking for help there, so perhaps you can work with that person to find some sources and improve the article.

I must confess that I don't follow your reasoning: I don't know anything about naval ranks, but I don't see how your information is inconsistent with what is in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the OP's point is that if North was still only a master and commander in December 1918 as per his book flyleaf, then he couldn't have been a full post captain (a higher rank) earlier, during WWI, and if that was so then he couldn't have been in command of HMS New Zealand during that conflict as battleships are commanded by captains, not commanders. I see his logic, although I can't say whether he's right. (Were there special war provisions for command? Was North temporarily promoted in some special way, or an exception made during war? Did North have a fit of amnesia the day he inscribed his book?) The book is an interesting clue, but more solid sources are needed to clarify the article. Karenjc 16:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] How do You Create a new Page?

How do you create a new Wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookieandfrankie (talk • contribs) 13:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard. —Thank you.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 13:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Writing an article for Wikipedia is harder than many people realize. Over 99% of all articles submitted by someone with no other editing experience in Wikipedia are deleted. Even professional writers find that the format and style needed for a good encyclopedia article are different than what might be appropriate for other venues. You could:
* Get someone else to do it—If your only goal is to make sure that an article is added to Wikipedia, you can request that someone write an article on the subject.
* Start by editing other articles—If you are interested in becoming an editor at Wikipedia, our experience demonstrates that it is better to start by improving existing articles, which will help you get a sense of how this place works, and then writing your first article from scratch. A good place to visit is the Wikipedia backlog, where there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles needing help from editors. Find an article in a subject area you know, and add a source, or a reference, or simply help write it better.
* Go ahead and try—If you do decide to write an article immediately, please read our policy on conflicts of interest, then read our guide to writing your first article, which will repeat some of the good advice above. Then please use the Article wizard, which will help you through the steps. I urge you to accept the option to save your first draft in your user subpage, which will reduce the chance your work will be deleted before it is ready.SPhilbrickT 13:09, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple Album covers

I've started a discography of record albums for a singer - one page for each album. On my first album, the album had three different record covers (by three different record companies). I've been able to show the 2nd record cover as the alternative (found the code on another artist's page) but I've been unsuccessful with the coding of the second alternative cover (#3). Duplicating the code for the first alternative didn't work (nothing shows) and I haven't seen another singer who has 3 covers listed. Can anyone help me? OscarTango (talk) 22:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I see you use {{Infobox album}} at There Is a Breeze. Maybe you duplicated the wrong part. Don't include | Misc = in the duplicate. Add another {{Extra album cover 2|...}} after the first so they are assigned to the same Misc. The two uses of {{Extra album cover 2|...}} can have different parameters. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

When you two covers have the same illustration, the use of the second is often challenged. Cover art is copyrighted, and is used at Wikipedia under "fair use" rules, and must demonstrate a need to show the alternate cover for identification. If a different colour frame is the only distinction, it is better to just describe the second cover. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Problem solved with the help from PrimeHunter. OscarTango (talk) 13:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] adding photos

I have an aerial view of the Del Rio Tennessee photo that I would like to add to the Del Rio page. How do I go about it? Can I delete or replace an existing photo, or choose where the photo will be located on the page?

Please notify on my talk page

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"docsledge" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Docsledge (talk • contribs) 01:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

You should take a look at Wikipedia:Uploading images, it describes the process. But baisicly, you would go to the Commons Upload Page and upload it from there. Please be sure, however, that you own the copyright, or have explicit permission to use it. Good Luck Tim1357 (talk) 04:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Minor company name changes and headers

I have recently edited a companies profile who have changed their name to an acronym of their former name. Does this mean an entirely new article has to be written with the new heading or can the name be changed? Presumably links to the header title need to be relinked? is there any way this can be done automatically —Preceding unsigned comment added by • contribs) 12:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

We never create separate articles for alternate names. If an article should be retitled, we move it to the better title, which preserves its page history. When there are other titles that a person might search for, we create redirects from those alternate names to the title. With a redirect in place, prior links to the old name of a title that has been moved will still work fine. However, when you do a move, you should always fix all double redirects. Please note the naming conventions at WP:NAME. Note especially that we use the common name for a subject, even if it is not the official name.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] No Move Tab...

Hi everyone!! I am theultravisitor and I need help moving a draft that I did called User:Theultravisitor/enjoythezoo. I have read that since I am a new contributor I don't have the move tab yet, so I was hoping someone can help me. Thank You all very much for your help!! Theultravisitor (talk) 23:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I am reviewing the page in question now. Intelligentsium 00:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC) Reviewed, results below:

Firstly, you are to be commended for starting the article in your userspace. Most users would have started it in the mainspace, where it would have undergone harsh scrutiny. Though I am unable to judge whether or not the article will ever meet our inclusion criteria, as it stand now I see several places where our inclusion guidelines for bands are not satisfied. These include: Coverage in self-published sources, Trivial mention in what only seems to be a reliable source, link to MySpace, YouTube, and official website (the first and last probably meet guidelines for external links, but cannot be considered as references), and generally no claims of importance or significance. While I cannot judge whether or not this article will ever be ready for inclusion, your request to mainspace this article as it stands 00:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC), is N Not done for now. If you have any questions, you are free to ask me on my user talk page. Intelligentsium 00:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Still no "move" button

Hello,

I registered a week ago and created a draft page which I would like to go live now. I still don't have the "move" button available, obviously due to the fact that I haven't made 10 edits yet. It seems unreasonable to make further edits to the page just for the sake of reaching a total of 10 edits, so would it be possible for you to move that page out of the draft status?

Thank you, Yatsenassociates —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yatsenassociates (talk • contribs) 03:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Someone could move the page, but it would be immediately deleted or moved back for being an advertisement for the company, instead of an article about the company. The difference is that a true article is based on the content that can be found in reliable sources that discuss the company, instead of on promotional material that the company has published itself. Also please note that you are strongly discouraged from writing about your own company. If you can rewrite the page to make it not sound like an advertisement, and cite multiple reliable sources to assert notability, then I'm sure someone will move it for you, or you will be able to move it yourself. But the best advice for this situation is generally to do nothing. If your company is notable, someone else will write an article about it in time. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Also notice that the success rate of new contributors in creating new articles is extremely low. If you are interested in improving Wikipedia (as opposed to only interested in promoting your company, which intention would not be welcome here), then I strongly urge you to do some edits elsewhere. Choose some articles you have some interest or knowledge in, and see what you can do to improve them. Once you have worked on other articles, and particularly interacted with other editors who may not necessarily agree with your stance on these, you will be much better placed to write a successful article of your own. --ColinFine (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] avoid article deletion due to copyright infringement

Please let me know how I will be able to publish my article but quoting references to a external website hosting exhaustive information about the same. Basically I have written an article citing information about the usage and benefits for the usage of the product which is officially belonging to a different owner. --Rtruser (talk) 06:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Rtruser--Rtruser (talk) 06:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Chummer, you've got bigger issues here. Wikipedia is not for advertising what-so-ever. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Stop... at a WHAMMY!!)} 08:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rabin festival

Recently, the above term is used in Israel by the Right to describe the annual Rabin's commemoration day [1] in which, according to many right wing representatives, the Left is busy in intensive propaganda and de legitimation against the Right and in casting collective guilt for the assassination on it. Actually, this term was coined by the left wing journalist Gideon Levy in regard to Rabin's commemoration day which seem to last for a month each year, much more than one day. During this month TV and newspapers are busy with the figure of Rabin and wuth left wing agendas. I can see that there is no reference for it in Rabin's article, so I was thinking to start a new article-as certainly this issue have high publical and political significance in Israel.--Gilisa (talk) 13:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Such information would go into the existing article, under Yitzhak Rabin#Commemoration. Please be cautious and observe our rules about reliable sources and neutral point of view. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

NPOV is exactly the reason for which I'm thinking on a different article, not to mention how controversial the issue is in Israel. I can't see how just mentioning this in Rabin's article would aviod edit wars or soap boxing. --Gilisa (talk) 19:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say that mentioning it in Rabin's article would prevent edit wars or soapboxing; just that the article about Rabin is the most appropriate place to put information about any actual controversy (as opposed to mere ideological blather by Israeli equivalents of Ann Coulter or Jerome Corsi). --Orange Mike | Talk 03:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Pages

I have added a blurb to the Sun Peaks Page about the company who did the planning for the mountain resort. I still do not understand why I can't reference their website. I am not sure if I referenced it wrong or if I am not allowed to tell people about their website.

As well, it was mentioned that I should add to the Wikiproject_Ski page, but again was blocked. It looked like the ski equipment sites where advertising. But my page on Ecosign was blocked. They are a planning company and have done most of the ski resorts listed and I can't even add a blurb about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heypalmer (talk • contribs) 19:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

'Blurb' is defined by Wiktionary as "A short description of a book, film, musical work, or other product written and used for promotional purposes." (emphasis added). Promotional material is not permitted in Wikipedia.

A statement, backed by reliable sources, that a particular company planned a resort would be acceptable; but not a blurb about the company.

A link in an external links section to the official website of the resort which is the subject of the article will normally be acceptable; but links to companies that happen to be mentioned in the article will not without a very good (encyclopaedic, not advertising) reason. See WP:EL. --ColinFine (talk) 23:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Name confusion

Shrappers (talk) 01:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)You have a page for the British actor John Shrapnel (note the one ell). This is causing some distress to a New Zealand actor/director John Shrapnell (note the double ell) These are real names and the two people are not related.

Would you entertain a page for the NZ John Shrapnell? His validity can be verified by looking at <http://www.nzonscreen.com> and doing a name search. Shrappers (talk) 01:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

You can feel free to start the article yourself (See Wikipedia:Your first article) if you can provide an assertion of notability, and ideally multiple reliable sources. The {{Distinguish}} template can then be used on both articles to eliminate the confusion. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Johnny Depp Article

I have had my edit on Mr. Depp's Fear of Clowns removed three times. The last time I cited a BBC program where Mr. Depp was interviewed in Jan 2000. What must I specifically do to have my edit remain on the site? This is a seemingly well documented fact about Mr. Depp and one he has frequently commented on.

Thank you

Digby scallops (talk) 03:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The sources you provided (IMDB and a fansite) are not considered reliable sources. I didn't see a BBC interview, btw? You need to provide appropriate reliable sources for this, and it'd be better to raise this issue at the article's talk page and ask for some input from other editors there. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 03:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons has stricter requirements than other types of articles, especially for potentially negative claims. A person may risk being ridiculed or taken less seriously for alleged fear of clowns so I would call it potentially negative. Before allowing such a claim it would be good to have:

1. A reference to a reliable source itself and not an unreliable source quoting what a reliable source allegedly said.
2. The reference not appearing to be humorous - alleged fear of clowns is sometimes used in humour.
3. The reference actually using the word coulrophobia or at least phobia. If a source only uses words like "fear" or "afraid" then it may be inappropriate to call it a phobia.

If it's properly sourced then there is still a question of whether it's worth mentioning in the biography. You can discuss it at Talk:Johnny Depp. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Draft article

Victoria Sekitoleko was born in 1953 in Jinja, Uganda. She became the first female to be elected member of Parliament for Butembe in 1989 under the movement government that came to power in 1989. She was also appointed Minister of Agriculture, Animal Husbandry and Fisheries at the time. In March 1994 Sekitoleko was elected to the Constituent Assembly where she served until she resigned in November 1994 to take up a new job at the UN FAO in Harare Zimbabwe. In 2005 Sekitoleko was named FAO representaive for China, Mongolia and the Democratic Republic of China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Banalya (talk • contribs) 05:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

It looks like you were suggesting a new article. I have created one for you at Victoria Sekitoleko. You're very welcome to develop the article with reference to published sources: see your guide to writing your first article for full advice. Gonzonoir (talk) 14:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] How to link Formal learning and Formal Education and Non-formal learning and Non-formal Education?

How to link formal learning and formal education and non-formal learning and non-formal education? and shouldn't there be any links back? Who's the best team to look at that? -- SvenAERTS (talk) 07:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• Using #redirect seems a good idea! I nominate SvenAERTS as the best team to create any back links that may be needed, but note that we do not create links to redirect pages. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] enhanced 'Random article' function

Hey,

Would it be possible to have a 'random article' function on a specific level - e.g. on the Technology Portal level? This would be nice for someone wanting to learn more on a certain topic over a certain time. Sorry this question is not posted where it should be, but I didn't know where to put it. Thx! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dasmich82 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I am not aware of any such function, however, you can suggest it at the Wikipedia:Village pump. — QuantumEleven 10:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] No Move Tab

Hello I'm LDMuellerSP and I need help moving a draft that I did called User:LDMuellerSP/Senniger_Powers. Because I'm a new contributor I don't have the move tab yet so I was hoping ypu can help me. Thank You!LDMuellerSP (talk) 15:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I am afraid that at the moment it is not ready to be moved - it reads like a press release, promo piece or directory entry, all in violation of WP:SPAM. Also your user name appears to indicate that you have some connection with the firm - if that's the case please read WP:COI. – ukexpat (talk) 17:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] editing page with no edit tab

I'd like to edit the French Revolution page but there is no edit this page tab. How can I contribute to it? ClioFR (talk) 16:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The page is semi-protected. You can post a message to Talk:French Revolution with a description of what you want to change, along with the template {{editsemiprotected}}, and somebody will look at what you want to change, and do it if they think it should be done.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 16:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Can I also just submit 10 edits on other pages and get access to semi-protected pages?130.253.174.39 (talk) 22:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Or that, but you would have to be logged in first...--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 22:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation link

Good morning. After practicing several edits and reviewing the intructions and guidance on articles, I submitted my first article, Martin Fillmore Clark, Jr. (author). The article is now up but has not been "reviewed" and thus is still in a "new article" template. There are three other "Martin Clark" entries and a "Martin Clarke" as well. Following Wikipedia's instructions, I added the (author) so as to distinguish this article from others in the encyclopedia. However, when I enter "Martin Clark" in the search function, this name/ article does not appear in the drop down and can only be found by typing in the exact, full name. My first question is: How do I make this appear in the search function? More important, perhaps, is that my Martin Clark is listed as a notable alumnus of Davidson College (under the subheading "Writers, Journalists and Publishers") but this Davidson link goes to the snooker player Martin Clark. Also, my Martin Clark is listed as a notable resident of Stuart, Va, but there is the same link problem. How do I correct this? I read the info page on this, but as a beginner, I don't want to mess up a big page like Davidson College. My best guess is to put Template:Redirect2/location/other location at the top of my new page. If so, what exactly do I put in the "location" spot? Sorry for the trouble, just afraid I might make a mess. Please notify me on my talk page as well. Eddland1 (talk) 17:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the page needs to be moved to a simpler title, either Martin Fillmore Clark or Martin Clark (author) depending on which name he is commonly known as. If to the latter then we can create Martin Clark (disambiguation) or use hatnotes to distinguish between the Martin Clarks. – ukexpat (talk) 17:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I moved this one to Martin Clark (author), since that is how his name appears on his book; and created a disambiguation page for him, the footy players, and the snooker player. Who was the fourth Martin Clark? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cecil Williams, former Texas County Commissioner

Cecil Williams (July 4, 1927-July 11, 2007) was a Texas politician, educator, rancher and philanthropist. He was born in Huntsville, Texas on July 4, 1927 to Lusters Williams and Maggie (Sowells, nee) Williams.

Williams served as the first elected African American county commissioner in Walker County, Texas since Reconstruction, serving from 1987-1996 for precinct 2.

Huntsville, Walker County, Texas County Commissioner Cecil Williams will be remembered as a mentor and a trailblazer. But most of all, those who knew him say his memory will live on through the countless lives he touched during his more than 50 years in education. Graduating from Prairie View A&M University (cum laude/Phi Beta Kappa) after serving in the Army during World War II, Williams went on to become an educator in the Huntsville Independent School District (HISD), starting as an agriculture teacher and ending his career as vocational director for the entire system.

For nearly 36 years, Williams worked his way up in the HISD, and after his retirement remained active in the education of young people, signing on as a board member of the Gulf Coast Trades Center for 15 years. Along with serving as a Texas county commissioner, board member and educator, Williams ran a successful ranching operation up until his death.

Williams was a member of Pleasant Grove United Methodist Church in Huntsville, Texas. He is survived by his wife, Bernice Grace Williams of Huntsville; a son, Barry (Cynthia) Williams of Chappell Hill, TX; and two daughters, Cecilia Perkins of Roundrock, TX and Marcia Williams Cromer of Chicago, Ill.

It looks like you are trying to create a new article. Please see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:Article wizard for guidance on how to do this. — QuantumEleven 10:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Except that this is almost certainly a verbatim copy of a newspaper obituary, so that it would, in its present form, be deleted as a copyright violation. Deor (talk) 15:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I need a favor

I'm a veteran editor on leave from Wikipedia for school reason and would really rather not have to log back in to the site because if I do then I fear I will be compelled to edit here, and that would detrimentally effect my school grades.

I would ask that someone post this reply on the talk page of TheFarix (talk · contribs); as his page is currently semi protected, and the WP:ANIME talk page is likewise protected, I have no means to communicate with them in this isp form. The message is as follows:

(==)Re: Gundam Admirals(==)

First, please accept my thanks for the notification of the prod. As you know, many editors do not take this step and as such many contributors learn the hard way that their material was axed without there input. I am glad to see that some still go the extra mile and notify, and I am grateful for it.

On the matter of these two articles: I think that there is room to merge these characters into one article, perhaps a list of characters page. I am reluctant to see them go because these characters are essentially the UC counterparts of the Zabi kids, each of whom held a flag rank and mostly went unseen during the show. I grant that the material is fanbased, but at Milhist we hold that an officer of general/admiral rank may meet general notability guidelines, and I would like to see the articles expanded or considered for a merge before they end up axed. If you have attempted to expand and were unable to, or if you really cannot find a place to add the material, then I will not stop you from deleting the articles, but please to try to save them first. Thanks in advance, 129.108.66.140 (talk) 01:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Link to here, posted to user page. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 02:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate it. 75.41.167.148 (talk) 06:47, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] my article

I just want to know why was my page deleted? I had everything that it needed. I saved it. It just told me it was deleted. Can you tell me why?

coolIlike —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolIlikeu (talk • contribs) 05:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

We have a guide to this: Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. I hope it will answer your question. — QuantumEleven 10:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the general article linked above, any page deletion generally comes with a reason. However, I've looked at your contributions history, and I don't see any evidence that you've edited anything other than this page. What was the name of the article? --SPhilbrickT 15:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

OK I see, the Camille McLean article. Look on your talk page to see the reason.--SPhilbrickT 15:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I don't have the "move" tab

I would like to use the "move" tab to publish my userspace draft(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gkuehl1/Ralph_James_Mooney), but I don't have access. My profile shows me as a "user", but I'm not sure what level of access that gives me. Thanks! Gkuehl1 (talk) 19:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)Gkuehl1

Moved it. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Please note that the image on that page has a possible copyright problem. You weren't notified becasue it was uploaded by someone else. Simply click on the image to see the problems.--SPhilbrickT 22:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

It has a definite copyright problem as it is lifted directly from http://www.law.uoregon.edu/faculty/jmooney/ and that's why I tagged it for speedy deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 22:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] temple page

Is there a temple page I can use so I don’t get blocked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weaverlgeorge (talk • contribs) 23:57, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this is what you want but you can make test edits at Wikipedia:Sandbox (where others will overwrite it) or User:Weaverlgeorge/Sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] citations needed, seriously?

I added a section on formation in the article about boogers, copying half of it from the nasal cavity article and then common sensing the rest. Very quickly the section received a 'citation needed' warning box. According to the rules, "All direct quotations, statistics, and facts whose accuracy might be challenged require citations." The part I took from the nasal cavity article didn't appear to require a citation there, and the rest is common sense enough that I don't really think anyone would challenge its accuracy, unless that person was attempting to control the article.Neptunerover (talk) 08:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I can see why this seems counterintuitive but yes, seriously. The stuff you copied from Nasal cavity may not have had citations, but it ought to have them (it's just that no one's got round to adding them there yet either.) As a reference work, rather than an authority in our own right, Wikipedia's central principle is verifiability, not truth (here's an essay to that effect). Part of the trouble is that common sense is less common than you think. Something that seems perfectly obvious to you might be obscure to me. Happily, really common-sensical stuff is often easy to cite: there should be ample sources you could refer to. Our citations guide shows you how. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox fail

Howdy, In trying to brush up Lipa Schmeltzer I added an infobox and I can't figure out what is wrong with it. I also added a bunch of sources on the talk page that can be used to flesh out a very sad little article. I've got to get back to work or I'd do it myself. Thanks, Joe407 (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

The ibox has been fixed. The problems were twofold: parameters are case sensitive; and you can only use the parameters that are coded into the template, you cannot add your own - they will not be displayed. – ukexpat (talk) 16:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] need help adding a photo to a page

need help adding a photo to a page. uploaded the image already but when i add it to the Wiki page only the name shoes up, not the image.Davemaul (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)Davemaul

If you are referring to Image:FloridaGators.png, please read WP:NFCC - the addition of the image has been reverted twice because its use does not comply with the non-free use policy. – ukexpat (talk) 18:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Do i meet the Notability guideline for music?

This Warning has appeared on a page i created.

"This article may not meet the notability guideline for music. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged or deleted. (October 2009)"

I have used newspaper articles as my references, so i don't know why the sources are considered not reliable. Toronto Star, Calgary Herald are my sources.

what should i change?

thanks burgtheburg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgtheburg (talk • contribs) 05:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

The article, Matt Masters needs cleanup, but does not appear to have a notability problem. You should ask the person who added the notice, on his user talk page, what needs to be done. You can find who added it by looking at the article's history. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 06:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up: I converted most of the external links to citations and removed the tag. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 17:05, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Need feedback for my article "Steel Abrasives"

Hi,

I have written an informative article about Steel Abrasives. The draft is currently under my user account Kzerrin (talk) 12:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC). Before publishing

(1) Can you please give me some feedback about the article and inform me if it is okay to add a producer name for these abrasives?

(2) Can you help me upload a picture since I want to use a photo of an atomization process for steel abrasives and I have the permission of the company to use their photo. Is it okay to put it on wikipedia and what is the process for this?

3) Eventually can you help me move the article?

Thanks very much for your help!

The draft is currently at User:Kzerrin/new article name here. I will review in a moment. Before you upload, please look at the instructions set out at WP:IOWN for the process of confirming permission to use the image on Wikipedia. Once that is in process, the image can be uploaded at WP:UPLOAD, but your account must be autconfirmed before you can upload. We don't need to wait for the image upload to move the article, so if it looks OK after review, I will move it for you. – ukexpat (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I have reviewed the draft and moved it to Steel abrasives. There are a couple of issues, however. The article has references but no in-line citations - please see WP:CITE for help with that. Also, you need some additional references from reliable sources to support the notability of the subject matter. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 15:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why Cant I safe my Book permanently?

Why Cant I safe my Book permanently? I made more than 10 Edits and I had a log on now for more than 4 days. What will I have to do to activate the fucntion to safe mu wiki book for my next log in? Pitshanger (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "safe my Book" but your account is not autoconfirmed yet. It is currently 3 days and 22 hours old [2] so it becomes autoconfirmed in 2 hours. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. I just logged out and in again, and my book was still available under "special pages". I say "safe my book" because I want to safe articles, and I read that after 4 days the option to safe your book permanently would be available. Until today every day I was on wiki i had to create a book all over again, but there seems to be an end to that now. Cheers. Pitshanger (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Help for creating new article from my Sandbox

I created my first article in my sandbox as instrucuted and then moved the article (again as instructed) so as to make it visible and live online. However, I wish to create a new article again using my sandbox and find that I cannot do so without altering my new, live, first article, as the two pages, that is the Sandbox and the first, live Article are linked. I cant seem to find a solution to this problem. Please advise me what to do. ThanksHappyboy1 (talk) 23:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Redirect#Navigating redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pilates- did he study Yoga suthra of Patanjali?

Because many of his ideas seem similar to the Yoga system, could he have studied and got his ideas from the Yoga treatises?Pradhangeorge (talk) 04:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Pilates. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:57, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] may i translate existing page?

Hello! It took me hours to find a place to ask this question. I found the "Crithmum maritimum" article very interesting, so i wish to tranlate the Spanish version into Greek, and if possible add some notes of mine. In other words, i m not trying to upload a new article or edit an old one, just add my own language page to an existing article. How can this be done? Thank you. my email: roundATholDOTgr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.210.166.82 (talk) 09:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi there: it looks as though the Greek language wikipedia indeed has no article on Crithmum maritimum, so we'd be delighted if you would produce a translation. To do this, you need to create a new article on the Greek language wikipedia (at http://el.wikipedia.org). You can use the es:Crithmum maritimum version as your model and translate its text into Greek: if you do so, just place a note on the page confirming that you have done so. I can't read Greek, so I can't confirm this, but it looks as though el:Βικιπαίδεια:Μεταφράσεις has full details of the procedure for doing this on the Greek wikipedia. Does this answer your question? Gonzonoir (talk) 09:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Claim anonymous changes

Hi.

Is there any way to "claim" some changes that I made anonymously by mistake (forgot to log in)? IonutBizau (talk) 16:21, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You can make a null edit with an edit summary that claims the changes. However, this will link your username with your IP address (which isn't really good or bad, but simply a consequence). TNXMan 16:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought null edits were not recorded, in the the user's contributions, page history, or recent changes? Intelligentsium 03:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

You're right of course. I meant to say dummy edit, the section just above null edit. TNXMan 03:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Please help with moving my article and references...

Hello, I have created a new page User:Theultravisitor/enjoythezoo

But I'm unable to move it, I have seeked much advice and help on making my article up to wiki standards. (Which I believe I have). The only think I am iffy on is my references, I am not sure if I did them properly... If so, can I please have help moving my article?

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theultravisitor (talk • contribs) 01:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Please help with moving my article and references...

Hello, I have created a new page User:Theultravisitor/enjoythezoo

But I'm unable to move it, I have seeked much advice and help on making my article up to wiki standards. (Which I believe I have). The only think I am iffy on is my references, I am not sure if I did them properly... If so, can I please have help moving my article?

Thanks!

• Sorry for the duplicate, I forgot to sign my name. And I dont know how to erase this one.

Theultravisitor (talk) 01:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Looking at your article, the format and layout are good, but if it's moved into mainspace now I am concerned that it may well be quickly nominated for speedy deletion. The basic difficulty is that nowhere in this article does it assert how this band is notable enough to warrant an encyclopaedia article. Have you had a look at WP:BAND? This sets out the criteria by which the notability of musicians and bands is assessed. Going through the twelve numbered points, and looking at the info you've supplied on the band, I can't find even one of the points that the band would unambiguously satisfy. They are an unsigned act with no commercial recording credits, and the refs you supply are self-published or listings, for the most part - nothing that would qualify as the "multiple independent nontrivial coverage" Wikipedia looks for. It's obvious that you're putting a lot of effort into abiding by the guidelines in order to get your article right, and that's greatly to your credit - many people don't bother, which is the reason so many first articles are speedy deleted within minutes of appearing. But unless you can show how this band is notable under Wikipedia's definition of the term, any article you create about them will almost certainly be nominated for deletion. Karenjc 11:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Donations

To Whom it may concern

How do I go about asking for donations for a project in South Africa concerning children in a hospital

Kind regards

Val Earp-Jones <phone number redacted> 41.5.96.64 (talk) 05:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Val. The Wikimedia Foundation supports a number of its own projects (see here), including Wikipedia, but is not a grant-making body for external charities. The purpose of Wikipedia is to build an encyclopaedia, so I'm afraid it's not really the right place for an appeal of the type you wish to make. Best of luck, however. Karenjc 10:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] first article

if I am creating a new article do I do it using a subpage and then is there a way to make it live after I edit it? also is there a tutorial on how to edit specifically using the tools provided?Mel45 (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I think starting on a user subpage is a good idea.

You can find a tutorial here

Once you've checked that out, the Article Wizard is a good way to start, and will even let you start a page as a user subpage.

If you are not yet autoconfirmed when you think your article is ready, just ask here and someone will move it for you.--SPhilbrickT 01:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

Hello. I am one of the "newbies" you mention. First, allow me to say that the layout of material on edting in "Wikipedia" seems unduly complicated. Frequently,I find I am totally mystified about how to handle a problem. I plan to read more of the introductory material/tutorials..to try to unravel just what is going on here, but my initial impression is that this is a counterintutitive set-up.

One question..

I have noticed at times..e.g., in the article on Lee Oswald, a bracketed note that a passage requires a date. Yet, when I click "edit," and the page comes up again, I see that someone HAS already inserted a date. How come the originally encountered form does not show the date supplied? Incidentally, in the example cited, I see that the date supplied is off by one year..as plainly shown by the date of publication of a source shown way at the end of the article. Does this qualify as a "minor edit?" How about correction of clearly improper English usage and poor punctuation usage? (aside from quotes, of course)

I have been finding some material in the articles to be terrifically slanted. I assume my "correction" of this would be to add my own paragraph after the offending one, with proper attribution? If so, then, how do I add a superscript number (and then get all the other citations to "fit in" with the addition)? THANKS.

Doc 23:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I do not know where my "talk page" is. And, I would prefer that people email me, frankly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zounds456 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Your talk page is right here. If you see a tag^{[like this one]} whose concern has been addressed, you may remove it. Most tags are added manually, and must also be removed manually. Correcting grammar and poor punctuation is a minor edit, as is correcting an incorrect date, and can be marked as such. However, "slanted" (I assume you mean POV) material should be removed, but only with an informative edit summary, or some users may mistake your removal for vandalism. Superscript numbers are added by using <ref> tags: simply type <ref>Insert footnote text here</ref>, and "Insert footnote text here" will be inserted at the bottom of the page (see WP:REF and WP:FOOT). The superscript numbers are added automatically. For example, if I type the text before, it produces^[1]

.

Intelligentsium 00:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! When trying to figure out how Wikipedia coding works, it's often helpful to look at the code of existing articles. You have indicated you already know how to do this. I've probably learned most of the coding by looking at some odd feature in an article, wondering "how did they do that?", and then clicking the "edit" tab to see how it was done. You can always copy from coding in other articles as an example. Hope the reply from Intelligentium above was helpful in explaining references. If you need more help, just ask! --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 16:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] inserting an external link that does not take you where it sould

I an trying to add our website to the name of our roller derby league,section under Canada,Okanagan Shuswap Roller Derby Association this is the website http://osrda.webs.com/ but once it is inserted in the text it takes the user on a diffrent page, how do I fix thisOopzy (talk) 16:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

It sometimes works and sometimes doesn't - I would blame the web page/server. You could add the page name to stop relying on the server fixing the link for you - i.e. http://osrda.webs.com/index.htm. You should note that the page renders differently in Firefox3.5 to IE8.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I dont understand why my link to my website was rejected when all the other roller derby teams have links to their web sites, it's all the same, we are a non profit organisation and we do not sell nothing on our site. Is it because we are using a free web hosting site? www.osrda.webs.com The Okanagan Shuswap Roller Derby Association is a new Canadian roller derby league. We are skater owned and operated and are a non profit organization under the Canadian Derby Association. Can you put my link back up? Oopzy (talk) 23:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

That link doesn't work for me - it just shows up page not found. The basic reason for it not working is because it's hosted on a free web server - we have a bot that automatically removes links like that. That's what left the message on your talk page. Can you give me a better link? Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 00:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

List of roller derby leagues is really not what a Wikipedia list should look like. I understand you added the link considering the lead (which is completely inappropriate) and the huge number (343) of existing external links. But adding your own site is actually against Wikipedia:External links#Advertising and conflicts of interest. The list desperately needs a huge cleanup. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

74 of those 343 external links are to MySpace. Wow. This is one of the biggest link farms I have seen in Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it beautiful?  :-] I missed the myspace ones somehow but I saw at least one facebook link. Have fun! Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 01:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Oopzy - As for having a mention of Okanagan Shuswap Roller Derby Association, if your league exists and a reliable source for it can be found (e.g., mainstream press coverage specifically about the league), then it can be in the list of leagues. You'll need to provide a citation to the press coverage, and include the year it was founded. By being listed, your league will help the list fulfill its objectives of supplementing the history of roller derby article and summarizing the growth of roller derby as an organized sport, with minimal bias. The list is not there to help you self-promote.

As for having a link to your league's site, that's different, and I apologize if the list's lead/intro misrepresented the situation. First, your link was hosted on an anonymous free hosting service, which is generally discouraged, if not outright banned, from being linked to from Wikipedia. Second, unless you're the subject of the article you want to put your link on, then you really shouldn't have a link to your site at all. Third, with that in mind, all the individual league links will be going away sooner or later. The fact that other leagues in the list have (or had) links to their sites is irrelevant; that's not what the list is for. All of those links were to what we call "primary sources" (firsthand, self-published info), and as such are low-quality references. They aren't useless, though; many have portals to or archives of press coverage and other info which can be used for verification of the league's existence and ascertaining their notability, and it's our mission (it can be yours, too!) to replace the links with proper citations of such press coverage. So, the links are only temporary stop-gaps that we handful of maintainers have been allowing, until we have time to prune them and get better references. It's a big project, and it's unfortunate that time is taken up dealing with discussion like this instead of more constructive conversations with people who are interested in the sport and who aren't just out to get another "barnstar" for heroic deletions. Given our limited time and energy, replacing links with newspaper citations to satisfy these easily distracted bureaucrats really is not that important in the grand scheme of things. Getting creation dates for all the newer leagues is more important, as is discussing stricter criteria for getting listed, and getting more people on board with an interest in the topic and who aren't just trying to self-promote.

PrimeHunter - As for the existence and content of the lead, originally there was no lead, just the discussion page which nobody looked at before adding their MySpace links. To try to address this, a lead was added, and this is entirely within reason because WP:LIST and especially WP:STAND#Lead and selection criteria encourage creating a lead which has unambiguous, explicit info about criteria for the list, when the criteria isn't obvious (as it didn't seem to be). I started with a verbose lead, and its appropriateness was discussed last year at Talk:List of roller derby leagues/Archive 1#Links and lists. That discussion led to a paring down of the text quite a bit. If it needs more work, please raise the topic on the current discussion page.

On that note, if anyone would like to help those of us with a genuine interest in the roller derby content on Wikipedia formulate a stricter notability policy for sports leagues in general and for roller derby leagues in particular, then please, let's get that ball rolling again in the appropriate venues! But until then, I'm more concerned with just keeping incoming additions manageable while we pick away at the low-hanging fruit. A lead which gently reminds people that notability & verifiability require them to cite a newspaper seems to be harmless, although I admit it hasn't been very effective (new contributions to the list from newcomers seem to be just as bad as they were before the lead was added, the OP being a case in point). Nevertheless, I'd like to see some real discussion and participation in making lists like this one better, rather than purely bureaucratic deletionism without regard for the consequences thereof. —mjb (talk) 06:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Contributing Bird Sounds

I have recorded calls of more than 75 species of birds in Rajasthan, India which I want to download on corresponding pages of these species on Wikipedia. How to download these sounds ? Thanks R G Soni —Preceding unsigned comment added by RAM GOPAL SONI (talk • contribs) 03:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe you mean upload. Uploading can only be done by autoconfirmed users, i.e., users with >10 edits and who have been here for four days. If you can't wait that long, Images for Upload might consider handling a request for other media types. Otherwise, there's always WikiMedia Commons. You can also request the Confirmed flag at WP:RFPERM; if you provide a valid reason, the administrators are pretty lenient about granting it. Intelligentsium 03:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] No move tab?

Hello,

I have a new draft of an article I wrote about one of my favorite authors. How do I get it moved to the main site? My account is new so I do not have a move tab. It is called Andreldritch/HP Newquist.

Thank you in advance.

Andre

Andreldritch (talk) 03:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC) AE

See WP:AUTOCONFIRMED. To prevent abuse at Wikipedia, new accounts must gain some experience at Wikipedia before using certain functions. You will automagically be able to move pages when you have been at Wikipedia for 4 days and have made 10 edits. Your wikipedia birthday is 23:47, November 9, 2009 and as of this writing, you have made 2 edits. So, after 8 more edits and after 23:47, November 13, 2009 you will be able to move. Take the 4 days to play around a Wikipedia a bit, edit some articles and get to know Wikipedia's various conventions, style, policies, and guidelines. I will leave a welcome template on your page so you can get some basic links to getting started at Wikipedia. --Jayron32 04:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] email notice of changes to article

   I would like email notice of changes to article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irvdiamod (talk • contribs) 04:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)  

Irvdiamod (talk) 04:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Your Watchlist is available as an RSS or Atom feed; links for it should be on the left side of your screen on that page. There are probably feed reader services which periodically check a given feed and email you with the updates. Someone here might be able to recommend one. A Google search for rss-to-email also reveals some candidates. —mjb (talk) 06:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New article help

Hello, will someone move my article about basketball coach Ralph Tasker - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Knr47/Ralph_Tasker - into mainspace? I am aware of the 4 day/10 edit threshold, but unless edits of my own drafts count (which I doubt), it will probably take me much longer than 4 days to get a move button of my own. Thanks in advance, Knr47 (talk) 08:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Edits to any page on Wikipedia, including your own drafts, count towards the 10 edits needed to be autoconfirmed. You have more than ten edits, so when your account is at least four days old, you'll be able to move it yourself. Would you still like someone to move the article into mainspace now so you don't have to wait a few more days to do it yourself? --Mysdaao ^talk 13:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've moved it now, you may want to request deletion for User:Knr47/Ralph Tasker, to do this simply add {{db-user}} to the page, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 13:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)