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To make a change to an entry, make the change on the linked talk page. | This list is also available in a page-link-first format. [edit] November 22, 2009 - (Discuss) — Cousin couple → Cousin marriage — – Cousin marriage is the correct term for this subject: either it or the longer "consanguineous marriage" is used in practically all scientific papers. "Cousin couple" usually refers only to a specific couple, though it may be used in the press for effect. (It also comes from the Cousin Couples organization.) You can also see the lack of popular sources using "cousin couple" by just doing a Google search and comparing with "cousin marriage." Wikipedia comes to the top of the list for the former because it's the odd man out, except for the Cousin Couples organization. Khin2718 (talk) 07:38, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] November 21, 2009 - (Discuss) — Awakening movements → Sons of Iraq — Sons of Iraq is the much more commonly used name in news media, as even a cursory glance through Google or, even better, Google News reveals. Awakening movement is just awkward and not used as often as any of the many other names; at the very least it should be Sunni Awakening. Basically, per WP:COMMONNAME, we should be using the most common English-name. Bsimmons666 (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Pomerania-Stolp → Duchy of Słupsk — Duchy of Słupsk, a term commonly used in Polish historiography (and [3] on occasion in English one) is much more informative than the current name, based on German historiography, Pomerania-Stolp (which translates as Pomernaia-Słupsk). PS. I have no prejudice against the alt name of Duchy of Stolp if sufficient argument can be made for its usage (used in one publication [4]). PPS. See also the discussion at the top which discusses if the term duchy is appropriate. I acknowledge that there may be a German term that is more specific (Teilherzogtum?), as well as Polish (pl:księstwo dzielnicowe), but the best English translation is Duchy. My final argument: WP:NC - be as simple and preceise as possible. A reader looking at Pomerania-Stolp is likely to go "eh? what?", a reader looking at "Duchy of Słupsk (Stolp)" at least gets the idea of what kind of an entity we are talking about. PS. Nominator support, obviously :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:24, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Poznań-Wilda → Wilda, Poznań — The most generally acceptable solution of those discussed at WT:WPPL#Another naming question. The names in the form [City] [District] are neither the official names, nor the most common names, nor in accordance with the way city districts are normally named in English. The districts should be named with their real names, with a normal disambiguating tag if necessary (not needed in the case of Morasko).--Kotniski (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — VIA Rail → Via Rail — Per WP:MOSTM, trademarks that are rendered in uppercase as a matter of corporate policy rather than because of an underlying linguistic reason are to be converted to the same regular sentence case that any other proper noun would appear in. As such, we have articles at Telus, not TELUS; Kiss (band), not KISS; Time (magazine), not TIME, and so on.I believe the repeated use of "VIA Rail" across Wikipedia rather than "Via Rail" is a straightforward contravention of this MoS convention. Via is not an acronym, nor is the uppercasing rooted in bilingualism policy, as "Via" is a cognate and homophone in both English and French. The decision to self-style in uppercase is a matter of marketing, likely undertaken to correspond with the company's logo.Per their internal style guides, the Canadian media universally recognizes this and downcases "Via". I rounded up these examples from several different major news outlets: [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]If this move is undertaken, there will be numerous follow-up revisions to body text and pagemoves for other articles and templates that include "VIA" in their title that I feel comfortable pursuing on my own as uncontroversial. In light of the subject's notability, however, I figured it would be best to establish a consensus first on the primary article. The Tom (talk) 05:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] November 20, 2009 - (Discuss) — Museum of Science, Boston → Museum of Science — Neither "Museum of Science, Boston" nor "Boston Museum of Science" are the name of the museum, it's simply "Museum of Science". No other major science museum goes by this name. The article title should match the name of the museum. --UsaSatsui (talk) 03:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] November 19, 2009 - (Discuss) — Chronology of events of the 2009 Honduran coup d'état → Chronology of the 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis — I am well aware of the early discussions (in July 2009) regarding the title and POV issues, but I would appreciate your evaluation of the following:Since the result of the recent Request for deletion of 2009 Honduran coup d'état was "no consensus" and it appears that 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis will remain the umbrella article of Fourth ballot box, 2009 Honduran coup d'etat, and Micheletti regime, I propose that this chronology, which has grown to encompass events from timeframes covered by the above articles (up to eight months before the coup, and the machinations, negotiations, and significant notable events subsequent to June 28) be renamed to reflect this.I understand that this article was originally designed to discuss (as its lede still suggests) the events of June 28 and the immediate aftermath. The current chronology in the article, however, goes beyond the material in 2009 Honduran coup d'état and encompasses a lot of material from Fourth ballot box and Micheletti regime. I might also note that, anticipating criticism from some regarding WP:NAME conventions, that the vast majority of RSs use the word "crisis" rather than "coup" to refer to the entire situation (previous to the coup, events of June 28, and throughout the last few months), and retain "coup" to describe only the events of June 28. I suggest the above name as an analogue to the umbrella article. Moogwrench (talk) 19:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — List of people who died in public → list of actors and musicians who died during a live performance — The aim of this list, as revision history shows, it had gone away from what it originally was to being also about people dying on live television, people dying on the street and sportspeople dying in a sporting event (which a list exist for that), also this proposal aims to keep this list less indiscriminate, mainly to keep anything other than sports separate from this list and to keep this list to what it was originally was, about actors and musicians who died during a performance. --Donnie Park (talk) 19:31, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] November 18, 2009 - (Discuss) — Free deconvolution → Free convolution — Free convolution is the standard terminology in free probability theory (see e.g. the book Free Random Variables by D. Voiculescu, K. Dykema, A. Nica, CRM Monograph Series, AMS 1992) --Shlyakht (talk) 20:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Bardiya of Persia → Bardiya — This article is in an unsatisfactory limbo, after a previous move request resulted in "no consenus". In my view we should now move it to "Bardiya". As a result of previous move discussions his two immediate predecessors as monarch of Persia (Cyrus the Great and Cambyses II) do not have "of Persia" in their title, so in his case "of Persia" is superfluous. PatGallacher (talk) 16:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Alfred Tennyson, 1st Baron Tennyson → Alfred, Lord Tennyson — As stated in the article's own lede, Tennyson is "much better known as 'Alfred, Lord Tennyson,'" so that's where the article should be under our "use common names" guideline. This is also in line with WP:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#British_peerage, which says "When individuals inherited or were created peers but are best known to history by a courtesy title use that. Examples: Frederick North, Lord North (not 'Frederick North, 2nd Earl of Guilford'), Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh (not 'Robert Stewart, 2nd Marquess of Londonderry')." The new title is thus perfectly in line with both WP:UCN and WP:NCROY. Powers T 15:12, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Sky Italia → SKY Italia — The page name has been improperly and incorrectly changed with "KY" as lower-case.The "KY" letters used in "SKY" logos are upper-case,although that's a frequent error committed also by the same SKY Italia.As a proof see the corporate web pages about SKY Italia: [21], [22] --ElSaxo (talk) 14:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Fono → Legislative Assembly of Samoa — * The article about the Legislative Assembly of Samoa is currently called Fono, a Samoan word. This is misleading and wrong. The word fono in the Samoan language means any 'meeting' or 'council' small or large. it is a generic term. It's like giving the page title Meeting, which is meaningless and confusing. The page should use the English terms Legislative Assembly of Samoa, so there's no confusion. Teine Savaii (talk) 08:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] November 17, 2009 - (Discuss) — Clever Peter → Sly Peter — The name of this folk character should be presented in English. The title suggests that his ethnicity is Bulgarian (even though the article is neutral to his ethnicity) due to the fact that the name "Hitar Petar" is the Bulgarian version of this famous folk character. If we rename/translate the page into Sly Peter, the ethnicity of this character is back to being neutral, as it should be.--Sonetnoir (talk) 05:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Comparison of vampire traits → Tables of vampire traits — This would be a much more accurate description of what the article is. If someone wants to create a separate article for a prose account of comparative vampire lore, they can do so under another similarly descriptive name, such as "Evolution of vampires in literature". The two articles can refer to each other. And they can sink or swim (surviving AfDs or not) on their own separate merits. --Pi zero (talk) 01:59, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] November 16, 2009 - (Discuss) — Prashanth Thyagarajan → Prashanth — * The actor had logged in and changed it to his birth name (Prashanth Thiagarajan), so a spelling mistake is evident. It would be best to change it to what he is best known as, simply Prashanth. User:Universal Hero 18:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Tre Kronor (castle) → Three Crowns Castle — Seems inconsistent to me to translate the names of the kings here at en.WP (Charles et al) but keep a phonetic impediment such as this Swedish-language name for their Castle. Surely no one ever called it Tre Kronor when speaking or writing English about it while it existed. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — User:Afowler702/Roosevelt Toston → Roosevelt Toston — I'm currently doing research on African-American history in Las Vegas, NV. Roosevelt Toston is one of the figures included in my research and I feel that his contributions to Las Vegas broadcast journalism and tourism are substantial and wiki-worthy. --Afowler702 (talk) 03:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] November 15, 2009 - (Discuss) — Saint Lucia Giant Rice-rat → Megalomys luciae — This species is mainly known under its scientific name, Megalomys luciae, not under any of the various common names that authors have devised for it--"Santa Lucian Pilorie", "Santa Lucian Giant Rice Rat", "St Lucy Giant Rice-rat", "Saint Lucian Musk Rat", and probably more. See WT:MAMMAL#Common names for a fuller discussion of why I prefer to use scientific names for animals such as this. Ucucha 16:15, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Backlog - (Discuss) — Biased sample → Sampling bias — As seen in Template:Biases, every bias-article that has the ability to do so is in the ___ bias format, except this one. I think the unusual naming originally was a way to make it appear different from selection bias, but I've tried to rather explain the difference in the article itself, so any extraordinary name is no longer required. Mikael Häggström (talk) 16:31, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Scud FM → Radio 4 News FM — This article should be at the actual name of the station, not the nickname. The nickname was far from universal, was never popularly encouraged, and was in any case only applied later in the war (the Scud missiles were at first not familiar and had to be explained). The policy on naming conventions does not give any support to using a nickname where an official and simple name is available, and positively discourages pejorative names. Sam Blacketer (talk) 15:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Aloysius Snuffleupagus → Mr. Snuffleupagus — Only his mother calls him Aloysius. Per WP:UCN, we should use the most common name. "Snuffy" may be used more often, but it's just a nickname, so I believe "Mr. Snuffleupagus" is the proper title. It's also what Muppet Wiki uses, for whatever that's worth. Powers T 14:54, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Podcatcher → List of Podcatchers — There has been controversy as to whether Podcatchers deserve their own article as show on the Talk page of this article. Users effectively deleted it by replacing the entire article with a redirect. The main content of the article is a list of podcatchers. If the name were changed, there wouldn't be an argument that the info doesn't belong, because it would be in the correct type of page. The only reason I couldn't do this myself is that the page already exists as a redirect. --The Talking Sock talk contribs 16:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Muhammad Mahabat Khanji III → Nawab of Junagadh — He is commonly famous as the Nawab of Junagadh, he was the last ruling chief of the Princely State of Junagadh in British India. Hardly anyone knows him by his name, though he is famous as Nawab of Junagadh. He became famous for saving the Asiatic Lions from extinction, his love for Dogs and wanting to acceded his small Princely State landlocked in India to Pakistan during Partition of India --mrigthrishna (talk) 10:13, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Union of Fascist Little Ones → Union of Young Fascists (Soviet Union) — Proposing move to continue discussion there. By no means do I expect my proposal to be the consensus right now, but it is clumsy as it is, I don't want to do OR but that is almost inevitable in trivial ways in translation, i.e. one must choose the best meaning which occasionally means changing the literal meaning, and I can't see that saying "Young" or "Youth" instead of the awkward "little ones" would substantially harm the meaning, while being more natural English. Si Trew (talk) 07:10, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Edremit (District), Balıkesir → Edremit — There were other examples of using a meaninglessly equivocal and complicated title like this one -"Town name (District), Province name"- for several Turkish town/district names and by now these are modified into the pattern -"Town name, Province name"-; see history for Konak, İzmir, Urla, İzmir or Menemen. Proposing to fit Edremit (Edremit, Balıkesir, by far the most significant city under the name) into the same formula. For purposes of distinguishing between localities of the same name, a simple disiambiguation page should suffice. I will put a move request for converting Edremit (District), Van, a much smaller settlement of the same name, into Edremit, Van once this move is accepted and completed. Cretanforever (talk) 09:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — MTR MLR Train EMU → East Rail Line Metro Cammell EMU — MLR refers only to the refurbished trains, not the refurbished and unrefurbished trains as a whole. The person who changed the name to MLR Train might not have considered the unrefurbished units seen in the 1980s and 1990s. --Mbssbs (talk) 03:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Discuss) — Chilean Climbing Mouse → Irenomys — - As explained at length here, "common names" for animals such as this are not really in common use, and the articles should therefore be located at the scientific names. Usage of the genus name as the article title for a genus with a single species follows established practice in articles like Andrewsarchus, Lundomys, and Pseudoryzomys. Ucucha 02:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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