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[edit] November 6

[edit] Hurstpierpoint College

Is the fact a pupil of Hurstpierpoint College was killed on the railways in January 2009 sufficiently noteworthy that it should be included in College's article? Tradgey, yes, but of encylopedic value.. i don't think so? I don't want to remove it myself however for fear of upsetting anyone. 80.47.247.250 (talk) 03:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I've removed it. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:30, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Firefox Display issue

For some weird reason, the appearance of Wikipedia just radically changed in Firefox several days ago. Any ideas? The side bar (interaction, toolbars, language, etc., along with the search box) no longer appears next to the main page, but below it, which makes the main page far, far less useful, since you now have to page down several times to get to the search box, which is what I mostly use, though I like to look at the main page to see random articles, too.

AFAIK, nothing changed in FFox, I don't have any add-ons that ought to alter it that I know of, and it continues to look proper and unchanged in Opera.

Java and Javascript are both enabled, and I don't see any setting in the main FFox options list that should control/constrain this. It's like it's no longer interpreting the style/CSS info correctly or something. I just see no setting anywhere in FFox which should control or affect this

I suppose it's possible that there was a new sub-version of FFox installed, I forget. Is anyone else having this problem? Any suggestions?

24.250.216.51 (talk) 07:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I just got an upgrade from Firefox 3.0.14 to 3.0.15 and am not experiencing these problems. In WP, I am using Monobook skin - which skin are you using? Select "My Preferences" upper right, then "Appearance". --Redrose64 (talk) 08:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Works fine for me in Firefox 3.5.4, 3.6 beta 1 and 3.7 nightly. Sounds like a cache/CSS issue, have you tried a forced refresh (CTRL+⇧ Shift+R) or clearing the cache (CTRL+⇧ Shift+DEL → select "Cache")? Regards So Why 09:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Only logged in users can choose skins and other things at Special:Preferences. It also sounds to me like you have to bypass your cache. The main page works fine for me in Firefox 3.5.4, also when I log out. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] zero sum game

what is meant by "zero sum game" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.17.136.139 (talk) 10:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Try searching for zero sum game in the search box which is in the left side bar of every page. It might find an useful article. —teb728 t c 10:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Forgot my USER name

I changed laptops and forgot my user name, I found solutions about forgotten passwords, not about...user names, i don´t want to start a new account...heeeelp!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.14.136.101 (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you remember which articles you've edited in the past? If so, go to the articles, click on the "history" tab and look down until you see a name that you recognise as being your username. Bencherlite ^Talk 13:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If your account had enabled email and you have access to old mails then look for a mail from wiki@wikimedia.org. If you remember pages you have edited then try clicking the "history" tab on those pages and look for your username in the page history. If you have an idea what the username starts with then you may be able to find it at Special:ListUsers. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

On this note, there is bug 13015 – Ability to retrieve forgotten usernames, which I submitted in February '08. It's just sort of sat there ever since. I'd fix it myself but I never knew how to make patches. • Anakin ^(talk) 15:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Le Fort Fracture 4

I was looking up LeFort Fractures. I was in the field of radiology for 22 years, I am currently retired.....I noticed in the information provided that there is information on the levels of LeFort Fractures, 1,2 and 3 which I have seen numerous times.....this is very rare, but there is a LeFort Fracture 4.....I have only seen it on 3 occasions in my career....this fracture involves all of LeFort Fractures 1,2 and 3, but in this case, a LeFort Fracture 4 involves the fracture of the Mandible as well. I have seen patients involved in auto accidents where they are projected through the windshield causing severe facial injuries and fracturing the mandible as well.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.41.96.39 (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

is lefort fractures level 4 mentioned in any good quality books? you could mention ont he lefort fracture talk page about level 4, and mention the reference, and edit the articel to have it put in. Scrotal3838 (talk) 23:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Count

What is the best website for edit counting? Mìthrandir 15:34, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

You can view your edit count using Wikipedia's official edit counter by clicking the "my preferences" button. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 16:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

If you simply want total edits counts, your "my preferences" is probably easiest. If you like more details, such as edits by namespace, edits by month, and top edited articles, this tool is helpful.--SPhilbrick T 21:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 123 to 123

I'm make links to create invidial bus routes articles in future? Help me to replace following at once example:

123 to 123

123 is original text in source code, and 123 is replaced new text so like

1 to 1
26 to 126
337 to 337
G21 to G21

Thank you.

Bus88MRT (talk) 17:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm probably not the only person reading the Help desk who cannot quite understand your question. See WP:LINK for information about links on Wikipedia. Note that "Bus route G21" is not a good title for an article because it is ambiguous. More than one city around the world might have a bus route G21. The article title should start with the name of the bus company or transport authority, to disambiguate it; see for example London Buses route 22. You may wish to join Wikipedia:WikiProject buses. Also note that if you are personally associated with a bus company or transport authority, your username may violate WP:ORGNAME. --Teratornis (talk) 21:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate Redirects

There appears to be two different redirect pages with (what I would call) the same title. One is "National statistics" and the other is "National Statistics" (second one has a capital 's'). One goes to the Chinese version, the other to the Brit. Searchers may be confused if they happen to use caps or not in their search.

Can something be done to clarify/combine the redirects into possibly a disambiguation page?

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.143.89.245 (talk) 17:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree that there should be a disambiguation page using the National Statistics title, to which the lower case version can be a redirect. Let me take a crack at it. – ukexpat (talk) 18:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I made a start at National Statistics...needs more work... – ukexpat (talk) 18:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Pages?

How do i add my own pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovekarl (talk • contribs) 19:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

—Thank you.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article. TNXMan 19:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Prose

Is there a policy or guideline or convention on wikipedia that prefers prose to lists when possible in articles? Ltwin (talk) 19:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

The manual of style has information here which may be of use. It compares embedded lists to prose and advises of when to use one or the other. TNXMan 19:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] KCKN (defunct)

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing the contribution: "KCKN (defunct)". On 11-06-09, I added four paragraphs to the last section I am building which is entitled, "KCKN Pioneers With Country Music in 1959".

Please help me SAVE this new material (entered 11-06-09) so that I may continue building this story. I do not want to have to re-write the same information.

I am dyslexic and have to work very hard in the most friendly computer situations. This is one of the most difficult/complicated web sites I have worked with -- so your help in assisting me in saving this added material will be greatly appreciated. Thank you vry much.

Jack Lester —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Lester (talk • contribs) 19:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

You can save it yourself; Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. However, another editor may find your changes do not meet policy, and may revert them. Your changes are never lost, however; they are stored in the page history. Intelligentsium 23:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Can one sort more than one column in a sorting table?

In, say, Windows Excel, one can not only sort more than one column at a time, but 2 or more. Can this be done with Wikipedia's sorting tables? Thanks.Civic Cat (talk) 20:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

If you get no answer here, you could try asking on Help talk:Sorting. --Teratornis (talk) 21:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Sortable_table#Secondary_key. You simply sort on the least significant key first, then next most, etc.--SPhilbrick T 21:57, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Virginia Fair Vanderbilt article

I have been trying to edit a small portion of the Virginia Fair Vanderbilt article. A small portion of it (two sentences) refer to the Sisters of the Holy Family and the Virgina Fair Legacy Fund. This portion is inaccurate. The following should be inserted and can be verified by the Executive Director of Holy Family Day Home in San Francisco, or by the Sisters of the Holy Family in Fremont, CA. Thank you and see the two replacement paragraphs below...

From 1906 through 1911 or so, Birdie Vanderbilt volunteered to assist the Sisters of the Holy Family (the only Roman Catholic Order of nuns founded in San Francisco) to care for children while their parents attended to the post quake crisis. Tents were constructed in many parks throughout the city and Birdie worked along side the Sisters to ensure that the children were cared for and educated.

In 1910, Birdie was the sole benefactor for the construction of a new three-story childcare center (AKA Day Home) replacing the previous facility that had burned down during the 1906 earthquake. (Unfortunately, the 1985 Loma Prieta earthquake rendered that beautiful, Italianate architecture building unsafe, and a new facility was constructed and opened in 2007. One can read more of this history at a display located in the new Day Home at 299 Dolores Street directly across the intersection from the Mission Dolores Basilica.) The Virginia Fair Legacy Fund was established in 2005 and seeks to ensure that the work of proivding quality early childhood education and care for children of working parents will continue for another century. Visit www.holyfamilydayhome.org for more information on the Legacy Fund. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.127.47.30 (talk) 21:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you just go ahead and do it? If you don't know how to add a reference, just add a note with the url on the article talk page.--SPhilbrick T 22:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Username Issue

I've used the username Master0fPuppets (spelled with a zero) online since the days of BBSes (I used Mstr0fPpts when there was a character limit, of course), and I'm trying to create an account on here - but it's not letting me. It's telling me it's too similar to another username. I'm not trying to copy someone else, I'm trying to be myself, the name I've always used online, and have on yahoo, and aim, and google, and hundreds of other sites... is there a way to bypass the warnings and use it? Please let me know.

Thanks.

Master0fPuppets (Rob) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.26.47 (talk) 22:40, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Another user has (mostly) beaten you to the name. It's User:Master of Puppets. You're not allowed to create an account that is very similar to another user's, which is why you were blocked from creating it. To see if there's anything you can do, this page is your best shot. TNXMan 22:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, you should be prepared to be disappointed. Master of Puppets is a very active editor and an administrator, so despite your good intentions it will probably be seen as unsuitable for you to have a name which could so easily be mistaken for his. AJ Cham 23:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

There is also User:MasterOfPuppets with no spaces and the letter O. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] How do you edit existing images?

How do you edit existing image like Rugby_Union_blank_line_ups.svg using external editors? JaFa 01 (talk) 23:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

You can edit vector images like the one you mention in programs such as Inkscape (free) or Adobe Illustrator (not free). You can also edit them in a text editor, but you need to be very au fait with the SVG specification to do so.

You may find some tutorials handy: TutorialsAndHelp - Inkscape Wiki or adobeillustratortutorials.com, for example. Regards, AJ Cham 23:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I got it thanks. JaFa 01 (talk) 00:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

On the image description page, there is a link to to the image file under the preview, which looks something like Rugby_Union_blank_line_ups.svg. Right click and select "Save link/target as", to save the file to your computer. You should then be able to open it in Inkscape. AJ Cham 00:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

And see Commons:COM:EIC#Inkscape. --Teratornis (talk) 03:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedic?

Usually, school cafeterias are not considered note worthy in Wikipedia articles, but because of Port Charlotte High School's unusual cafeteria setting, I'm thinking about adding a section about it (with references) to the article. Below is a draft of the section titled "Champ's Cafe" I intend to add; please commment on it.

The school cafeterias in the public schools of Charlotte County are known as Champ's Cafe. Port Charlotte High School's Champ's Cafe is unique in that it is setup like a food court similar to those in shopping malls. There are ten lines each offering different menu items. The menu items are displayed on a sign also displaying the lines name and logo. Unlike mall food courts, the food served in all lines is prepared in the same kitchen, and the lines are owned and operated by the school, not rented out to private businesses. The lines are Homerun Heros (offers wrap sandwiches and salads), Powerslice Pizza (offers pizza by the slice), Red Baron specialties (offers submarine sandwiches), Slam Dunkin Nuggets (offers chicken nuggets or popcorn chicken), Hot & Spicy (menu changes daily), Main Event (menu changes daily, open for breakfast), Pirate Treats (ala carte snacks, drinks, and desserts, open for breakfast), Kick-in Chicken (offers chicken sandwiches, Champ's Grill (offers grilled chicken sandwiches), and Champburger (offers hamburgers and sloppy joes). Pirate Champ's Cafe complies with the requirements of the National School Lunch program. Certain food offerings are restricted to full price customers (students not on free or reduced lunch). PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 23:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Is this cafeteria the subject of news articles by independent sources? Are there any industry publications (for schools and such) that discuss this layout specifically? Basically, could it pass the general notability guidelines? Otherwise, I personally don't feel it would be notable enough to mention. Dismas|^(talk) 23:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Your additions do not seem encyclopaedic; some of the statements seems to be biased, and few people would be interested in the offerings of a school cafeteria. If, however, your cafeteria has significant coverage in sources, it may be notable. Intelligentsium 23:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's one link to a news article it's mentioned in, and I'm quite certain there are others. PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 23:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

(e/c x3!; [parts snipped based on redundancy]) You put "with references" in parentheses and then posted the proposed text, but if I had a choice to looking at only one to gauge whether this is a worthy addition, I'd see your references alone over the text. They are not an afterthought but the fundamental basis on which any text is built. Without them it's impossible to judge the true merits of the text.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[1] and [2] pretty much sums it up reference wise. The goal was to write it here nearly exactly as I would on the article, and I didn't want to add a reference section to the help desk. PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 23:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Google search results do not look promising. Those examples seem to be the only sources, and only the first is independent. Intelligentsium 23:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Try taking out the "'" it's often mispelled Champs Cafe. PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 23:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Champ's Cafe is featured at [3], although that's doesn't have anything to do with the proposed section. I remember articles in the newspaper about it, but they're apparently not online, or at least it would be a pain to find them in search. PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 00:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Instead of having it's own section, what if the unusual setup were mentioned in a discription of the campus? I think it's something worth some kind of a mention in the article because it's unique, I'm just not sure how to go about doing this in a way it's not going to be contested. There's really honestly nothing notable about the menu (I tried very much to keep focus on the menu to a minimum), but I've never seen anything in a school setup like the Champ's Cafe at PCHS. As far a mentions in news sources, we're talking about something that was originally designed back in the 80's; of course you're not going to see as many articles on the internet about it as you would something unusual from the 2000s or even late 90s. This was news before the days before everything being world famous online, but since Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 01:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Searching Bing show's it must be more common than I'd thought, but a lot of what I'm seeing is that a lot of the other schools that have them have recently converted a traditional school cafeteria into a food court whereas I'm of the understanding that PCHS always had a food court setup. Apparently Lemon Bay has a food court setup as well, but I don't know if there's started out that way or if it was converted. What's weird is that no other school I've seen has had that, it must be a newer concept for some schools. PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 01:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

(my 2¢) The cafeteria layout seems hardly encyclopaedic, even if it's really unique as you claim. It's bordering on indiscriminate information and advertising; who other than the current student body - and, of course, the vendors - really care about the topic? Note that being verifiable (even that looks to be in doubt) does not automatically mean the information should be included. If I were you, I would not mention the cafeteria at all if I could help it. Now if the cafeteria won, say, some sort of architectural award... Xenon54 / talk / 03:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content. See WP:N#NCONTENT for the details and links to related policies. If it helps the reader understand more about the school and is verifiable then a quick blurb could be OK. If the article is ever to be GA (surprise surprise) or even FAC it will need to be broad in coverage. Make sure you have a source discussing its uniqueness and don' go overboard with the detail and you should be fine. My suggestion would be to start a "Facilities" subjection and include this with other information about the building.Cptnono (talk) 05:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Reading the menu makes me wonder what the student body looks like. I don't know whether the content "belongs" in the article, but at least the questioner is asking the right question: "I'm just not sure how to go about doing this in a way it's not going to be contested." That's the key to everything on Wikipedia: the rules are just an attempt to help us guess what we can write that won't get removed by other editors. Ultimately, though, it all comes down to whether the editor who wants to add something is willing to risk the time to add it, if the contribution gets deleted. If even the person who wants to add some information has doubts about whether it will stick, though, it sounds like a high-risk edit to me. But only the questioner can decide how much risk to take. Another sneaky option with a better chance of sticking would be to draw up an SVG graphic of the cafeteria floor plan, with everything labeled. I think that would be less likely to get deleted than a prose description of a bunch of food stations. The prose is kind of annoying anyway, but a graphic of the floor plan could look cool. --Teratornis (talk) 06:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You can also photograph everything you like in the cafeteria, as long as any copyrighted artwork appears only in a de minimis kind of way, upload your photographs to Commons, and make a gallery page there. On Commons we can document things photographically to a degree that doesn't really work in Wikipedia articles. For example, if you like wind farms, you could upload dozens of different photographs of the same wind farm to Commons and put them on a gallery page. That's allowable there, even though you would not get away with stuffing all the photos into a Wikipedia article about the wind farm. Commons doesn't mind having redundant photos of the same subject because it provides more options for all the different Wikipedias to pick and choose. You can link a Wikipedia article to a stockpile of related photos on Commons with {{Commons category}}. --Teratornis (talk) 07:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

This does seem encyclopedic enough to be a headed section in the school's article. To the question "who else cares" I should think that would apply to the school itself more than it would to this unique cafeteria. In addition to branded and unbranded food vendors likely interest would come from school planners, school districts and nutritionists, not to mention students at schools with run-of-the-mill cafeterias. Will this become a new paradigm or is this a lone exception? In either case, it would seem to be noteworthy. (Though I seem to recall hearing about a school somewhere with an actual little KFC in the cafeteria...thought that was a high school, but it could be a university?) If length is an issue, I think the first four sentences could be distilled to two, and you needn't repeat the "offers" inside each subsequent parenthetical; the "Pirate" seems uncalled for in the second-to-last sentence, as it's not in the first sentence. Abrazame (talk) 23:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 7

[edit] Problem with images

Hi,

I have a problem. I uploaded 2 images, and both have been deleted, I need help to upload them again, there are pages of a comic book, I see many of them in wikipedia and all are permited. Please, help me doing that so I can create more and better pages on this topic.

Thank you very much —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.39.161.67 (talk) 01:38, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Currently you're editing anonymously (not logged in), so no one here will be able to figure out why the images were deleted and therefore help you fix your problem. Could you please tell us either the username you used to upload the images or the names of the images (preferably both)? Xenon54 / talk / 03:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Now I'm logged in. my user name is Arussom. The images were deleted because the copyright, but I see, in Wikipedia, much of pictures like this, pictures or images of comics. When I see this pictures, them say "This image is from a comic strip, webcomic or from the cover or interior of a comic book" and they are perfectly permited, but mine were deleted. I supouse that I uploaded them wrong or something. Can you help me? Thanks!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arussom (talk • contribs) 03:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You uploaded the image to Wikimedia Commons instead of Wikipedia. Only free images can be uploaded at Commons, whereas images used under a fair use claim must be uploaded locally, which you can do at Wikipedia:Upload. Be sure to read the policy on non-free content, and make sure the images and their intended use are compliant before uploading. Regards, AJ Cham 03:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

PS. Your account is not yet autoconfirmed, so you won't be able to upload images for the time being. You will become autoconfirmed after 01:09, 10 November 2009, assuming you have made at least 2 more edits by that time. AJ Cham 03:47, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. It was because I am not autoconfirmed... I will do the updates and I will wait until Nov 10th to try to upload the images again in Wikipedia. Thanks again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arussom (talk • contribs) 14:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] typo in title

I need to fix a typo in the title of an article. The last name of the person is not capitalized. How do I fix this?

Which article? I see no problems with titles, looking through your contribs.--Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail ^Review 05:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, it's been

Done.--Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail ^Review 05:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

~~Somebody already caught it at Frank Rusch.~~ Please sign your comments with four titles "~~~~ Cptnono (talk) 05:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Userspace draft

Hi, I created a userspace draft about three days ago its name is User/Srimm/Srimathumitha I cant access it now. I want to make it a mainspace article. I dont know where to find it.. Where is my userspace draft? Srimm (talk) 07:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

It looks like you haven't created it at all. Your only edit using this account so far has been to ask this question. It is possible that you have not saved it properly. I'm afraid you'll have to do it all over again. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 08:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The most common cause of this problem is that you clicked on the Show Preview button instead of the Save Page Button:

If you do not click on Save Page, the edit will not be kept. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Production design credits for movies

how do you add a production design credit to the credit boxes on movie pages?Dzyndoc (talk) 08:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The parameters for that box are listed here and I don't see production designer listed. The infoboxes are a template used in numerous articles about movies and are not customizable. You have a few options:

Since it may be considered an important position you might want to make the request to have the parameter added to the template (which will make it available to all of that style of infobox) but I wouldn't be surprised if there was resistance since some editors prefer to keep them as concise as possible. You can make the request here. It has come up before so you might want to review the discussions seen here
Do not add it to the infobox but make a mention in the body of the article
See if it is possible to say forget what WikiProject Films is doing and create a static infobox. I believe it is possible but do not know how myself.

Cptnono (talk) 09:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] talk page format

My user talk has displayed in an unusual manner since I've borrowed an archive box setup from another user's talk page. Is it my browser or have I effed the mark up some how? I was attempting to restrict the space the archive list was occupying on the page, so if there are alternate suggestions for that result I'd be interested. Thanks Tiderolls 11:21, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I took a stab at making it appear better by removing extra braces and using {{clear}} so that talk page posts appear below the archive box. Is that better?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that's gonna work. Thanks for taking the time. Tiderolls 13:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I guess your concern is the overlapping archive and Talkback box in this version. The "Reply" section uses {{Talkback}} which displays a full-width box with no flexibility towards the archive box to the right. The suggestion by Fuhghettaboutit creates blank space to the left of the archive box. Two ways to avoid the overlap without creating the blank space: 1) Move the archive box up so it doesn't reach the first section. 2) Change the first section so it doesn't have a full-width element. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I think one of the reasons you're having this issue at all is because you don't have enough section headers on the page so that a table of contents is present. As you'll see from many talk pages that user the archive box, the TOC and the archive box appear on opposite sides of the page in the same plane, and talk page posts will automatically appear below them. So if you allow more posts on the page (or force the TOC to appear) you might like the way that looks better and you can then remove the {{clear}}.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

See, this is what I get for not venturing from my cocoon. I do appreciate the info and education. Regards Tiderolls 13:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for comment

Hi Wikipedia-Help desk, can you please give me a brief run-down on how "Requests for comment" works? Thanks Sir Floyd (talk) 13:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Requests for comment. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

G-DayPrimeHunter! Do I ask for other Editors comment or is there more to it. Sir Floyd (talk) 14:59, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Following the instructions on Wikipedia:Requests for comment is how you ask other editors to comment. (In the six minutes that elapsed between PrimeHunter's reply and yours, did you have time to read that page?) Whether there is more to it depends on how you define "it", where "it" is presumably whatever goal you are trying to accomplish by asking other editors to comment. What goal are you trying to accomplish? The more specific you can be when you describe your problem to the Help desk, the more likely you are to get a useful answer. --Teratornis (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok! I shall read the "Wikipedia:Requests for comment" in greater detail. What I was referring to was canvassing for other editor's opinions. Is it allowed, if so what are the parameters within which to work? Sorry about the delayed response, I'm on Aussie time. Thanks Sir Floyd (talk) 01:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

See WP:CANVASS. Hint: when you know specific technical terms on Wikipedia such as "canvas", you can look up the manuals for them in the Editor's index to Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, most of the questions a user could have are questions that have come up before, and are usually addressed in the manuals somewhere. --Teratornis (talk) 18:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Phantom edits

Lately, I've been having issues with seeing some of my own edits (probably around 20-30%) over the past week or so. I'll make a change and it will be there in the preview, but when I save it, it's not there in the article or the article's edit history, yet it will be logged in my contributions list and when I click to edit the article again, the change does appear there. I'm thinking maybe it's a delay of some sort, but if it is, it's a long one. An edit I made twelve hours ago has yet to appear. Is it Wikipedia? Is it me? Mbinebri ^{talk ←} 16:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Wait, scratch that. Simply clearing my cache seems to have solved the problem, although in many many edits, that had never been a problem before. Mbinebri ^{talk ←} 16:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category Creation

Where can I create categories? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

By going to the category page you wish to create and editing the page. You may also want to look at similar category pages to see how to format it. For example, see Category:Xavier University (Cincinnati) alumni. The category will autopopulate with articles tagged with the category, but you can add the top material yourself. TNXMan 18:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean. How can I go to the "category page you wish to create" if I haven't created it yet?

Categories are a bit confusing at first. I had to read Help:Category several times when I was new to Wikipedia. You can go to any page that does not yet exist by clicking its red link. You will get a red link to a not-yet-existing category page when you add a link to that category on the page you want to categorize into that category. Categories are confusing because they work backwards from how we usually think about linking to things. You might suppose you would edit a category page to add pages to that category, but it works the other way: to put a page into a category, you edit that page. You can put a page into a category that doesn't exist yet. This will all sink in if you carefully read Help:Category. If it doesn't make sense at first, come back and read Help:Category several times over several days. --Teratornis (talk) 18:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

My third sentence might be mysterious. When you "go to a page that does not exist" you are actually going to an edit window where you may create that page. Read WP:RED to understand how that works. Note that creating new pages does not guarantee they will "stick". Other editors may delete pages that don't follow Wikipedia's complex rules. See Wikipedia:Categorization for guidelines about what categories you should and should not create. What categories do you want to create? --Teratornis (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Also note, in the first reply to your question:

"You may also want to look at similar category pages to see how to format it."

As you can tell by reading the rest of the reply, but this may not be clear to you at first, the word "it" refers to the descriptive text at the top of the category page, not to the list of articles in the category. You (the human editor) can edit the descriptive text at the top of the category page, but the MediaWiki software automatically displays the list of articles which contain links to that category. When you edit and save some descriptive text at the top of a new category page, that's when the category "exists" - that is, links to the category in articles will not longer be red. --Teratornis (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you both for all the help. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:24, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

How do I put userboxes on my userpage?--Ace Oliveira (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Simply by pasting the appropriate code on your page. You can look at my page for an example, or see this page. TNXMan 18:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Twinkle

I do not want twinkle to put users' talk pages on my watchlist when I tag their articles with speedy deletion. I put the following in my monobook.js, but it doesn't help. Any suggestions?

 if( typeof( TwinkleConfig ) == 'undefined' ) TwinkleConfig = {}; // DO NOT REMOVE THIS LINE - ALL TWINKLE SETTINGS AFTER THIS  TwinkleConfig.watchProdPages		= 	false;   TwinkleConfig.watchRevertedPages	=	 [];   TwinkleConfig.watchSpeedyPages	=	 [];   TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings		= 	false;   //END   //<pre><nowiki>   importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');

Thanks. Btilm 19:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

This is something of a guess, but I notice that the line importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); appears after the Twinkle config in your monobook.js. I'm not sure, but I would assume the Twinkle script should be loaded before the config, so try moving that line up a bit. AJ Cham 22:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I tried it the other way an it still doesn't work. Any suggestions? Btilm 00:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Tail Support

what is tail support —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.133.141 (talk) 19:59, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. TNXMan 20:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy tag

Resolved.

How or where can I see who added the speedy to this article? Jeremy Parzen Off2riorob (talk) 21:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Well it was there but it has been totally removed by the creator of the article..it was here ? Off2riorob (talk) 21:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

See Help:Page history to learn about how to view previous changes made to pages Spitfire^Tally-ho! 21:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, talkpage history, but speedy tags added are not recorded in the talkpage history, I had a good luck already, is it possible to see who added the speedy or not? Off2riorob (talk) 21:38, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

As near as I can tell, no one ever added a db tag to the article. The author added a {{hangon}} tag when no speedy tag was present, then deleted the tag. I don't know what you're referring to in your comment about the talk-page history, but all the edits to the article itself are shown on its history page, and I don't see any speedy tagging there. Deor (talk) 21:47, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The speedy deletion nomination does not appear in the page history, because that version of the page was in fact deleted. (See log), and has since been recreated. However, the author was notified by User:Pseudomonas using Twinkle, as shown here so they were almost certainly the nominator. Regards, AJ Cham 21:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thank you, that is totally correct. The author panicked and added the speedy hang on, and the page was also recently deleted, thanks, I know where to look now. Off2riorob (talk) 22:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Websense

how to by pass websense —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.247.243.196 (talk) 21:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Websense. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. TNXMan 21:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

How do you change a picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charmedguy1998 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

This depends on what specifically you are looking to do:

To replace an image on a page with an alternative image available on Wikipedia or Commons, just edit the page and update the file name to the new one. See Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for more info.
If the replacement image is on your computer, you will need to upload it first. Be sure that it complies with our image use policy and is not a copyright infringement.
Or, if you want to edit an image on Wikipedia, you will have to download it. Right click the link under the image preview on its description page, and select "save link/target as". You can then open the image in an image editing program on your computer.

You may find Help:Contents/Images and media useful. If you want more specific help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Regards, AJ Cham 22:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect and eliminating a page.

When I created a page yesterday the last name was not capitalized (Frank rusch). That was fixed by someone else. Thank you. But the incorrect page still existed. In an effort to eliminate the incorrect page I tried to redirected Frank rusch to Frank Rusch, except I did that wrong. So now I have totally screwed the page up again. Please help me to fix the title and totally eliminate the incorrect page. Thank you.Mdavis789 (talk) 21:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)Mendy

It's been moved back. TNXMan 21:55, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.Mdavis789 (talk) 22:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)M

Will Frank rusch appear in addition to the correct page when that name is searched? It goes to the correct page, again thank you, but appears as an option. (Now that I have made the mistake it is driving me nuts!)Mdavis789 (talk) 22:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)M

Clicking on Frank rusch will take you to Frank Rusch. This is a redirect, which causes some pages to point to other articles. TNXMan 22:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

If someone does a search for Frank Rusch, Frank rusch, frank rusch, etc the only page that will show on the search results will be the main article - not the redirects. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Nev version of File

Good day, im make the new version (better) of this fili: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dubcek.jpg your cant find him at: http://img156.imageshack.us/i/dubcek3.jpg/ Please, upload it as new version of file "Dubcek.jpg" Many thanks --77.48.153.172 (talk) 22:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your work with that picture - I have uploaded the new version. However, in future, Commons:Picture requests may be a better place to make such requests. (We also have Images for Upload on Wikipedia, but this is perhaps inappropriate for requesting changes to images on Commons.) Regards, AJ Cham 23:59, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks - as help wit upload, as to gibt me a tips for next times... --77.48.153.172 (talk) 00:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki redlink murder

Xqbot just removed an interwiki link to a non-existing page. This is inconvenient, since the German Wikipedia is much more restrictive wrt stubs. Could someone please point me towards the applicable policy? Usually I know where to find what I look for, but this is a slippery one. Paradoctor (talk) 22:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The policy is at Help:Interlanguage links#Links to pages that do not exist. --Mysdaao ^talk 22:59, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Paradoctor (talk) 23:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Los Angeles public library photo archive

What license would you give to the picture on William Bonin's article?. I found it here [4] and it says "Image Credit": Los Angeles public library photo archive. --FromSouthAmerica (talk) 23:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

It depends on factors such as when it was taken and under what licence it was released by the photographer/owner. Most state-owned photographs, however, are not copyrighted or provide lenient terms of usage. Intelligentsium 02:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 8

[edit] Add user group

Is there any way to add a user group at a site like wikkii.com? Btilm 01:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Sure, the mediawiki software lets you do that, but the Wikimedia Foundation does run not that site, so you would have to ask the people who do run it about any changes. Prodego ^talk 01:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by "user group"? The MediaWiki software has a specific technical meaning for that term. See mw:Manual:User rights. If that's not what you mean, please clarify. In any case, what you can or cannot do on a particular site is up to the site's administrators. It looks like wikkii.com is a free wiki hosting service. If I understand that correctly, it means you could probably create your own wiki there and set it up any way you want. If you are interested in doing that, read everything linked from WP:EIW#MediaWiki. You might also want to set up your own Personal wiki running on the MediaWiki software so you can experiment with the setup and so on, without the added complication of trying to navigate someone else's server. See mw:Manual:Wiki on a stick. If you run your own wiki on a server, you need to maintain your own local backup copy anyway, in case the server dies. As you know, any site on the Web can vanish at any time, taking all your work with it unless you have maintained a working backup copy. --Teratornis (talk) 18:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for all the help... I made some major changes!

how do you think my page looks now? User:Theultravisitor/enjoythezoo Theultravisitor (talk) 02:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

This is not the place for reviews of draft articles. You need to go to Requests for Feedback -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Box in top right corner with basic facts/picture

In most articles, like Stephen Harper for example, have a box with basic facts and a picture of the topic. How do you do that? Pinkswimgirl98 (talk) 03:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Some variant of {{Infobox}}. See WP:INFOBOX for details. Intelligentsium 03:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) They are called infoboxes, and they are a special form of template. There is one for pretty much any topic imaginable. The infobox on the article you give as an example is called Template:Infobox officeholder. Infoboxes are added to an article by going to the infobox's page (which are always titled "Template:Infobox [TOPIC]"), then copying the code to the article by using the browser's clipboard function. Once you do that, it is only a matter of filling in the appropriate parameters by following the instructions in the green box. Xenon54 / talk / 03:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Editor Review

Would you please review me at Wikipedia:Editor review/Btilm? I have been waiting for over two weeks. Thanks. Btilm 04:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Look, I've been waiting for probably over a month now. You can wait...--Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail ^Review 04:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Check that. Make that over 2 months.--Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail ^Review 04:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

There is a backlog on the reviews. I have done a few reviews recently (so far, the oldest request I have dealt with was just a smidgeon under 3 months old!) - but may I suggest to both of you that you review one or two of the oldest requests?

I realise it takes time (as you need to look through the user's contributions (not just the log, but also some of them in more detail), talk page and archives, edit counts, any previous reviews, etc and then think how to phrase the review (I think my average on the reviews I have done has been about an hour) - but the more editors who review others, the more chance that the reviewed editors will then review others!

I intend on doing a few more reviews over the next week (starting with the oldest unreviewed request on the review page - I'm not going into the archives! - which means that unless someone else does one before Monday/Tuesday, I'd do Unionhawk next - 10 weeks old - then (if no one else does any) 11 more, then you Btilm! (2 weeks ago), but between Wikipedia and family commitments, there's only a limited amount of time! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Using images from other Wikipedias

Is it possible/desirable to include images from other language versions of Wikipedia in articles in the English version? If so, how? If not, how does one go about copying an image across? 86.134.9.157 (talk) 04:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Any non-copyrighted (i.e. freely licensed) image can be uploaded to Commons - then it can be used on any Wikipedia. If you see a picture on another Wikipedia, chances are it's uploaded to Commons and thus will appear under the same name here. Xenon54 / talk / 13:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

If for some reason it is not on commons, have a look at the licensing shown on the file at the other Wikipedia. If it is compatible with that required for Commons (see Licensing on Commons it can be copied to Commons. If it is 'fair use' it can't be, and I'm not sure about uploading such an image to Wikipedia - if you gave us a link to a particular image, then we could give a definite answer! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

See WP:MITC. I like to use the Push-for-commons tool to search for images on a Wikipedia that are appropriately licensed for Commons. I have some notes in User:Teratornis/Notes#Move some images to Commons about some of the images I have moved. If you want to move images, you will need to create an account and preferably unify it so you can use both the source Wikipedia and Commons via a single sign-on. --Teratornis (talk) 18:34, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. In my question, I had in mind the possibility of leaving the image in situ in the foreign-language Wikipedia and simply referencing it, or linking to it, from the English Wikipedia. It seems from the replies that this isn't an option. Is that correct? 86.133.245.83 (talk) 22:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Phantom edits, revisited

As I said the other day: I've been having issues with seeing some of my own edits (probably around 20-30%) over the past week or so. I'll make a change and it will be there in the preview, but when I save it, it's not there in the article or the article's edit history, yet it will be logged in my contributions list and when I click to edit the article again, the change does appear there in the text/code. I'm thinking maybe it's a delay of some sort, but if it is, it's a long one. An edit I made twelve hours ago has yet to appear.

That said, I withdrew the question after clearing my cache seemed to solve the problem. But now it's back after only 24 hours. Does anyone know what the problem could be? Mbinebri ^{talk ←} 14:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It still sounds like your cache. See Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. You should only have to press a key combination to see the current version of the viewed page. If it annoys you then look for your browser settings to disable caching permanently. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why is my image not searchable and why can't I add it to the Vesuvius page ?

I recently added a really beautiful picture of Mt. Vesuvius taken from Sorrento under the file name: SYMVESUV.jpg

I can find it by going to "my contribs", but if I use the search box in wiki to search for its file name it can't find it. Also, if I try naming it in an addition to Mt. Vesuvius it can't find it.

Wazzup ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.103.28.57 (talk) 15:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

You need to search for it as a file: File:SYMVESUV.jpg. You need to add a copyright tag per the link on the file page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Problems with a users signiture

Resolved.

This user is haveing trouble signing..he says that.."when I type four tildes it merely adds a static signature Jeremy Parzen 3:22 pm, Today (UTC+0) he is I think using a mac? What is going on with him? I have been discussing this and trying to help him here Off2riorob (talk) 15:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Did he check the signature box in his preferences? I would bet that he has the info pasted in there with the box checked. TNXMan 15:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) Tell him to go to his preferences and take the checkmark out of "Sign my name exactly as shown". I think that will fix the issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I have asked him to look at that, it looks like that would cause the problem, thanks very much for your help. Off2riorob (talk) 16:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is working now, ta. Off2riorob (talk) 17:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I am using a firefox explorer in a library, can't see chinese chracters on wikipedia

Is there something fonts or supporting language pack that I can download in order to show the characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.18.17.45 (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Does the text look like "Buchstabensalat" ("letter salad", garbled and random characters) or boxes? If that is the case, then there is probably nothing you can do. Public computers only include basic software and probably do not have the software required to display Chinese correctly. To prevent viruses and such from infiltrating the library's network, you probably are not allowed to install software. Sorry. Xenon54 / talk / 18:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It's the letter salad like you described, I will have to ask the library about this, thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.18.17.45 (talk) 19:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Help:Multilingual support (East Asian) tells you what you need, but doesn't address your library's policies on installing software on its computers. You would have to find out who is in charge of the computers there, and ask them to follow those instructions. --Teratornis (talk) 18:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] November 9

[edit] Issue with the Beta version

I'm using IE 7.0 for editing, and in the Wikiepdia edit windows, I get some really funky behaviour: clicking in the edit window will bring me just about anywhere but near where I was clicking; double-clicking will actually prevent me from editing any further (it starts highlighting text around the window!). Using the auto-sign feature will add my signature at a random location within the editing window... all rather unpleasant. Has anyone else reported this kind of erratric behaviour?--Ramdrake (talk) 00:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I sometimes use IE 7.0 for wiki editing, but never have had that behavior. Have you tried launching a "clean" (no add-ons, etc.) version of IE and seeing if the same behavior occurs? To start IE in No Add-ons mode:

Right-click on the blue IE desktop icon and select Start without Add-ons; or
Start | (All) Programs | Accessories | System Tools | Internet Explorer (No add-ons). --4wajzkd02 (talk) 01:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

In addition, on the off-chance you have a security issue, you could try running this: Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool --4wajzkd02 (talk) 01:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, try purging the page cache and bypassing your browser cache.--Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail ^Review 01:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] CE vs. AD

What's the consensus regarding changing "CE" (presumably meaning Common era, but could also mean Christian era, which, somewhat confusingly, redirects to Anno Domini) to "AD"? The difference between the two seems unimportant to me, in terms of encyclopedic use. I do think it is important to have a consistent style between and within articles, and also to not have unnecessary edits made (e.g., changing British English to American English). Cheers, --4wajzkd02 (talk) 01:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no official stance towards CE/AD or BC/BCE. Full guidelines regarding this topic, including when and how to use the abbreviations, can be found at WP:ERA. Xenon54 / talk / 01:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! --4wajzkd02 (talk) 01:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Help

http://ro.wikipedia.org is down —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.119.224.159 (talk) 02:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

It works for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Linking where a page does not exist

I would like to link "Elfin MR5" in an article to a relevant page. There is no page named “Elfin MR5” but it is described in the page "Elfin Sports Cars". How should I link this please? Elfin MR5 or Elfin MR5. Can you also tell me where this issue is covered in Help please as I can’t seem to find it? GTHO (talk) 02:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I have redirected Elfin MR5 to Elfin Sports Cars. You should link the whole name.--Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail ^Review 02:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)