Contents 1 About WP:WTAF on Comparison of usenet newsreaders 2 Table 2.1 Table 3 Wrong kind of slash 4 khtml -> webkit presumption(s) 5 note to my own 6 Gopher Template 7 BitTorrent client 8 Proposed deletion of ELinks 9 IE7 should be in Historical Web Browsers table because it runs on WinXP 10 Comparison of BitTorrent Clients 11 Template:SVGSeries edits 12 Acid Tests 13 Windows Mobile Standard software 14 AfD nomination of List of plugins 15 List of web browsers 16 Amaya (web browser) 17 TfD nomination of Template:Standard support 18 Groundhog Newsreader 19 Netscape 20 FTP Clients 21 Scintilla (editing component) 22 Comparison of web browsers 23 Article layout 24 FTP links 25 Template:EDonkey 26 MIRCStats 27 BT clients 28 IRC articles 29 AfD nomination of Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients 30 Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf 31 Speedy deletion of Template:Latest stable software release/Linkinus 32 Speedy deletion nomination of Hina-Di 33 Speedy deletion nomination of User:Mabdul/sandbox2

[edit] About WP:WTAF on Comparison of usenet newsreaders

Hi! On this page: Comparison of usenet newsreaders you have removed all records whose software names were red (ie not linked to a valid article). While noble, i'm not sure how valid your reasoning is. Isn't the point of having a comparison so that you can compare different newsreaders and select the one that suits your needs? Then, I ask, why remove a lot of useful information? The idea behind WP:WTAF is that useless lists with unlinked keywords are prevented; not to cripple a perfectly good article. If anything, IMO you should have edited the red links to point not to internal wiki pages but to their external websites. --Styck (talk) 13:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Table

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			Gecko	WebKit	KHTML	Presto	Prince XML	Amaya		Adobe SVG Viewer	Batik	DENG	Renesis
SVG	1.1	Tiny (SVGT)	Partial	Partial	Partial	8.0	Partial	Partial		Partial	Partial	Partial	Partial
		Basic (SVGB)	Partial	Partial	Partial	Mostly	Partial	Partial		Partial	Partial	Partial	Partial
		Full	Partial	Partial	Partial	Partial	Partial	Partial		Partial	Mostly	Partial	Partial
	1.2	Tiny	No	No	No	Partial - 9.5a	?	?		No	Partial	?	Partial
sXBL			No	No	No	No	No	No		No	Yes	No	No
XBL 2.0			No	No	No	No	No	No		No	No	No	No

[edit] Table

Sorry I couldn't find a solution. You can shrink it by putting padding: 0; into the style but you still can't control the width. x42bn6 Talk Mess 23:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Changing the width works fine here on Firefox; though, there's no way to get it below 2px wide as there's a left and right border that cannot be removed. Also, you have to remember that padding: 1px; is the same as setting a padding of 1px in every direction. So you get a total width of 3px (width+padding) for the background color and an additional width of 2px for the border, meaning you get a border that actually is 5px. Note that, while you can't change the width of or remove the border you can change the color of the right one, for example border-right: red; works. --Execvator (talk) 16:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong kind of slash

Hi; you used the wrong kind of slash in this edit; it broke the template. Be sure to use the forward slash "/" rather than the backslash "\" when using the same ref in multiple places. Whistling42 (talk) 20:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

thanks; i made it not by copy and paste and sometmes there are msitakes if i didn't rev my own edit :rolleyes: Mabdul (talk) 00:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] khtml -> webkit presumption(s)

Your edit in the graphics comparison makes false presumptions, imho. You can't take any khtml features and say webkit gets them automatically. khtml uses "KParts", part of KDE for image rendering anyways. I think apple did NOT port that. Also, for a long time khtml supported more selectors (correctly) than webkit, as their codebases are not identical. So I wouldn't make presumptions based on the "inheritance" unless that feature is part of khtml (not any other part of kde) and was in before the webkit fork. This points to the issue that one of the tables lists "khtml" instead of "kparts". This example shows (imho) that KParts is clearer. --Grey (talk) 20:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] note to my own

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[edit] Gopher Template

Nice work on the gopher template, I've mentioned it on the Gopher mailing list in the hope that it will motivate some of the subscribers to come and create articles for some of the various bits of Gopher software that currently do not have articles here. --Thefrood (talk) 09:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

thankyou I subscribe the list and in a few days i will post some mails... mabdul 0=* 20:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BitTorrent client

Thanks for taking the initiative to help with the article. That comparison chart is a great split. Look forward to building this with you and the rest of the editors. ^{XF Law} _{talk at me} 03:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I saw you removed the comparison link that we (you) created. Is that in the template? Hate for that hard work to go unappreciated. ^{XF Law} _{talk at me} 11:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Replied at talk page. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 18:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Replied again. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 05:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion of ELinks

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[edit] IE7 should be in Historical Web Browsers table because it runs on WinXP

IE7 should be in Historical Web Browsers table because it runs on WinXP, the "Operating system support" table is supposed to be referring to the most recent version of the said OS at this moment in time, in this case--Windows Vista. Therefore without placing an IE7 row in the Historical table you are missing valuable information.Spitfire19 (Talk) 19:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

so, IE7 would only be placed on the list after IE8 is released (&not beta)?

[edit] Comparison of BitTorrent Clients

Hi,

Splitting the comparison section back out of BitTorrent client was a bad idea, and unfortunately not one which I caught in time. because of this, for the last six weeks editors have been working on what is now a useless stub (BitTorrent client, which says absolutely nothing except "A BitTorrent client is a program used for accessing BitTorrent") and a comparison which has moved from Comparison of BitTorrent clients to BitTorrent client and now to Comparison of BitTorrent Clients (note the wrong capitalisation on the current title). This really needs to be re-consolidated with the article on clients themselves, as there is very little reason for having a standalone article on that subject - there simply isn't much to say. I'd appreciate it if you could see what you could do on that front. I was about to just revert the lot to the version at the start of October (which would properly preserve the now-mangled page history) but if this can be done elegantly that would be better. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I've now crudely re-merged the latest verson of both articles, and will move the whole thing to the comparison page. If you then want to split out an overview of what a BitTorrent client is from there (not something I think is really worth doing) then this can be done without leaving a significant amount of edit history in the wrong article. Give me a shout if you have any questions. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:SVGSeries edits

Please see WP:R#NOTBROKEN. There is no point in piping links which work via redirects: doing so simply increases the size of the template code. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Acid Tests

Sorry, I didn't notice it there...

Nonagonal Spider (talk) 04:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Windows Mobile Standard software

"Windows Mobile Standard" is the name that Microsoft uses to describe what was formerly called "Windows Mobile for Smartphone". The category I created was for software that runs on Smartphones. See the naming conventions from the Windows Mobile article here. Thanks. Brianreading (talk) 04:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of List of plugins

An article that you have been involved in editing, List of plugins, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of plugins. Thank you. GreyCat(talk) 08:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] List of web browsers

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on List of web browsers. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. JCDenton2052 (talk) 02:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you. JCDenton2052 (talk) 14:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Amaya (web browser)

please read teh articl again and mark which fact do you want to cited, when I will search. There is nothing to cite! and I will remove the notability-sign for that article, because this browser IS important enough to have its own article!

Hi. Please read the maintenance tags again. Articles need to cite published, reliable, secondary sources (WP:V) and need to show how their subject is notable (normally through the general notability guidelines). At present, the article only cites the software's homepage (a primary source) and makes no assertion of notability. Please don't remove the notability tag until you have read and understood that guideline. Thanks, Marasmusine (talk) 15:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

More specifically, if Amaya has had any significant coverage/reviews in magazines (either paper or online), or discussed in any scholarly papers or other reliable news sources, then that nails both WP:V and WP:N. I hope this helps. Marasmusine (talk) 01:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Any magazine reviews would be good for a "critical reception" section, and to provide additional citations for the existing material. I figured by "on the page" you mean Amaya's homepage, and I can see that there is a "Press Book" section. I might be able to use some of the online publications listed. Do you happen to have any of the paper magazines listed? Marasmusine (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Standard support

Template:Standard support has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 23:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Groundhog Newsreader

Hi. I noticed you just reverted my edit adding the Groundhog Newsreader for Android to the list, saying it's "vandalism". You should start thinking about doing a little more research like for example using Google before reverting other people edits and marking them as vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juanjux (talk • contribs) 21:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Netscape

The 0.4-0.6 releases have their release dates in the about box. The 0.94-0.96 releases have the date in the modified date in the read me. All of the others I found sources on the internet.  єmarsee  • Speak up! 17:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] FTP Clients

You killed a lot of free FTP clients on the FTP client list based on a comment that links were not there? I don't believe I saw any dead links to FTP clients that are not on the list. I believe you read this WTAF article literally. First it is only advisement. Second, it only speaks to dead links, not information that doesn't have an article. "Wikilinking those entries to articles that do not exist; the result is a red link like this one." There is no linking to the entries you killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WTAF

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_FTP_client_software&diff=257486048&oldid=257483374 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.133.192.1 (talk) 17:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

you might be right, but in other software comparison is the same behaviour. I was also confused the first time, but now I have the same opinion: WP:WTAF: "Because of this, editors are encouraged to Write the Article First." mabdul 0=* 21:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Scintilla (editing component)

What's the tie-in for Scintilla as an HTML editor? I don't see any direct connects between the see-alsos and the items in the template. (I'd assume an "HTML editor" provides live previewing - something that Scintilla doesn't do by itself, otherwise most text editors could be regarded as HTML editors). Tedickey (talk) 11:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison of web browsers

You are not wrong by saying that Firefox is included in some distros. I left the reference, the only change was "Included" to "Yes", it is compatible with Linux, but it's not included in linux itself.
If you really want to show "Included", there is the option to create new entries like Fedora, Mandriva... Daemorris (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article layout

The formatting you changed here [2] is intentional and is per WP:LAYOUT (see this section) which is part of the WP:MOS. Tothwolf (talk) 16:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, you're right. I found another way to prevent for extra lines. thx for that link. mabdul 17:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The extra whitespace is suppose to exist. There should be space between the navigation template and external links and there should be visible whitespace between the last section or navigation box and the first stub template. Tothwolf (talk) 17:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] FTP links

Hi, I noticed your comment on Comparison of web browsers. Just use the {{Cite web}} template for FTP links. Despite the name, it can be used for anything online. RP9 (talk) 10:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Template:EDonkey

I reverted your revert because the fact remains that DreaMule is a whole different story to eMule Plus which you mentioned. eMule Plus has been developing indipendently for more than four, probably five, years. It actually forked from eMule after the 0.30 releases and did not aim to merge onto all new major features ever since. Some have been added - like support for bigger files - but the case is a lot different with DreaMule. DreaMule is nothing else but a regular mod. It is still based on a recent version of eMule and despite not having updated to 0.49c it has been updated to newer version of eMule in the past.

I kept eMule Plus in the template because it really forked and is not just a mod like any other. You can argue that eMule Plus should also be removed based on this and I would not object this but if you object the removal of DreaMule I will feel free to add other more relevant mods.

This brings me to another important thing about DreaMule... relevance. DreaMule is a eMule based client targeted for the Brazilian market which has no noticeable user base anywhere else. In fact, eMule Morph and eMule Xtreme (which DreaMule is also based on) still have much more relevance in regard to eMule being the two major modding projects at the moment.

I hope this settles this argument. If you still wish to talk more about it please mail me at Stulleamgym at gmx dot net

Regards, Stulle 77.64.138.60 (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] MIRCStats

Hi, I was wondering how you stumbled upon the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MIRCStats for the article MIRCStats. I'm just curious as to whether or not you invited to participate in the discussion by a member, and if so, through what means the invitation was sent. Thanks Corpx (talk) 08:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm a member in the wikiproject irc. mabdul 10:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] BT clients

I don't know if you watch this page anymore, but there is currently a discussion which might interest you on red links and inclusion (Wikipedia:Write the Article First). While I realize that you may hold the opposite viewpoint from me, I welcome your participation on the page.

Incidentally, I partially subscribe to WP:WTAF (in spirit), and I agree on the deletion of the said clients (aside from maybe Aria), but not for the sole reason that they are red-linked or that red-linked by default means "NN", which is why I'm arguing against. I feel that doing so would set a bad precedent. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 02:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] IRC articles

Hi, I have seen you take part in the WikiProject IRC. Some IRC clients/bots/bouncers/servers were recently suggested for deletion. Would be nice if you can have a look at IRC alerts or AfD page and share your thoughts, thanks! :) 83.254.210.47 (talk) 15:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients

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[edit] Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:Latest stable software release/Linkinus

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[edit] Speedy deletion nomination of Hina-Di

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[edit] Speedy deletion nomination of User:Mabdul/sandbox2

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