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Great job on the Abbeys and Priories of Ireland pages! Where have you been getting the names - ordinance survey maps?

Zoney 22:00, 27 May 2004 (UTC)


Lots of research and travelling! Many are not marked on OS maps so you have to go to old records. Not finished yet. JohnArmagh 09:15, 16 June 2004 (UTC)


Hi. Would Temple Cronan in the Burren qualify for your list? Are you planning to add photos for each place and to fill all the new wiki links you create :)

Fin 19:13, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)


I am investigating all placenames with 'Temple' as this indicates a likely Knights Templar preceptory - though I intend to differentiate between the tradition and the evidence.

I have visited some 400+ foundations throughout the British Isles and northern/central France with a camcorder. If I ever live long enough I would like to convert these into 3-D virtual rendering of the sites. --JohnArmagh 19:31, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Contents

[edit] Hieroglyphs

I noticed your recently-added image Image:Ba-n-neter.jpg, and I wondered if you were aware that Wikipedia now has WikiHiero, a facility for constructing Hieroglyphs live. HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 16:10, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Senta.jpg

Senta.jpg was garbled or empty or some such, so I deleted it. You might want to try re-uploading? Stan 04:14, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Kings of Svitjod

Dear John, you have created a page named kings of Svitjod. On what source do you base this list? It surprises me that I have never heard of a Norwegian kingdom by an old name for Sweden before (see Svitjod).--Wiglaf 17:39, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Hosni Mubarak

I noticed you added the Arabic for Hosni Mubarak's name. Do you know the Arabic script? Quadell (talk) 19:42, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Template:No Merge

An interesting way to respond to my merge requests, but I believe the custom is to use talk pages rather than dueling templates.  :-)
Has there been any discussion about this elsewhere? The two lists in List of leaders of Afghanistan and Heads of Government of Afghanistan seem redundant and overlapping; it's confusing trying to figure out which one serves what purpose. Why do you object to a merge? One would redirect to the other, so there would be no broken links. --Ardonik.talk()* 18:48, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] St. Augustine's Abbey, Canterbury

Do you plan to add text to that article? Because an article which only consists of a photo isn't much worth it - if you need a place where you can put photos for articles not yet written maybe Wikipedia Commons might be the better place for them. andy 15:31, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Bishops

Wow! hold your horses. Use Google to look through first to find any You've duplicated Bishop of Nottingham and no doubt several others too. I think the correct title is Bishop of Nottingham rather than List of Bishops of Nottingham. The main list is the one linked to from Bishop of Nottingham, wherever it is. Dunc| 10:50, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] See also

Hi there, I just wanted to let you know that the accepted standard for a see also section is as below:
==See also==

Dori | Talk 23:20, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Argentina infobox

Hi there, when I was creating the Template:Argentina infobox I did see your changes from President into Head of State and Head of Government that you did in the previous table that contained that info, but in Argentina the Head of State and Head of Government are the same person: the President. You might want to check the Cia factbook's Argentina entry and Head of Government. Fernández is the cabinet chief, but hasn't the responsabilities/powers that a Prime minister has. I didn't edit it because it's starting to look like an edit war or something, which isn't the case. --SpiceMan 07:43, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Take a look at this ! Template:Infobox_Countries and this Template_talk:Infobox_Countries ! That makes life somewhat easier. --SpiceMan 11:07, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Blimey - thanks --JohnArmagh 11:10, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rulers of Ethiopia

Thanks a lot for the great-looking tables with rulers of Ethiopia (and other countries). Great job, really! Since I'm a table freak myself wanted to ask you one thing: do you create all those great tables by hand or is there a program to do that? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 10:34, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. Contrary to what you might think, your reply helped me a lot. The words "word macros" are the key here :). Thanks again. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 11:08, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Join RWNB!

Hello!

I see from your contributions that you are interested in Russian topics. Perhaps you would like to join the new Russian wikipedians' notice board? It is a discussion forum for wikipedians interested in all things Russian. Also, each week we pick an unfinished stub article to improve through collaboration.

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Every week, a lacking Russian topic is picked to be the Russian Collaboration of the Week.
The current RCOTW is Vostochny.

Notice boards and Collaborations-Of-The-Week have become increasingly popular on wikipedia reciently, with Irish, British, US and many more. There is also a score board for competing collaborations! See FAC.

Isn't it about time we got articles on Russia up to standard?

Hope to see you on RWNB!

Seabhcán 12:21, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
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OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
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Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. Ram-Man (comment) (talk)[[]] 13:53, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rulers of the Fon state of Danhome

I think this should be renamed Monarchs of Dahomey for simplicity. Any thoughts? - Xed 18:24, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The reason I chose Rulers as the title was because it has generic connotation, as opposed to Monarch which, although it means sole ruler, is usually applied to Kings/emperors etc. rather than chiefs/princes etc.
I felt that the use of generic terms in the titles would make it easier to determine what it was the listing was about rather than using a plethora of different styles or titles in the heading which would make it difficult to determine the actual status of a given incumbent and compare it with the status of an incumbent in another list. This is why I have gone down the route of dividing the lists into Heads of State, Heads of Government, Colonial Heads and Rulers.
In its widest sense monarch could be also applied to any head of state, but I chose to use the term Head of State for the heads of sovereign or autonomous modern states, reserving Rulers for defunct states or modern tribal states or polities. --JohnArmagh 23:06, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)


My concern wasn't about the generic terms you're using in the articles you've created about african rulers (excellent work by the way), but more about the specific article Rulers of the Fon state of Danhome. The people in the list are almost all Monarchs (in the sense of being Kings and Queens). The wikistyle here would be to have a title with the word Monarch in (as in List of British monarchs, List of Swedish monarchs etc). Secondly, the words "of the Fon state" in the title seem unnecessary. Thirdly, Dahome is generally known as Dahomey. Would you be happy with "List of monarchs of Dahomey" or "List of Dahomean monarchs"? I just want to make thing consistent and simple - Xed 00:31, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Archdiocese vs. Province

An archdiocese is the area under the diocesan authority of an archbishop; whereas a province is the area under the metropolitan authority of an archbishop, including his archdiocese and several other (suffragan) dioceses. For example, the Archdiocese of Liverpool covers greater Liverpool, but the Province of Liverpool covers most of northern England. The Diocese of Salford is in the Province of Liverpool, not the Archdiocese of Liverpool.

[edit] Beannachtaí Lá Fhéile Phádraig

Thanks for the greeting! Enjoy yourself tomorrow!

I hope you don't mind, but I created some new headings on your talk page just in order that the table of contents displays up near the top of the page.

zoney talk 10:52, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ...and fight the Good Fight

Thanks very much for noticing my contributions, John :-) . Hopefully I can find arms for the rest of the Bishops too. Do you know if the RC Bishops have crests/arms? Thanks ♪ Craigy ♫ 08:03, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image source

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[edit] Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for your quick response on Talk:Kings of East Anglia. When I made that comment, I didn't expect to ever hear back - it's not exactly a high traffic page, nor is it a typical question. Imagine my surprise. :) I mean, sure, you've edited it, and it's probably on your watchlist, but it also lay untouched by you for six months. Good show. PS - What did you mean by "(minuscule having not been developed at the time)"? --Golbez 07:03, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] lots of edits, not an admin

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[edit] microfonts

Please do not use "small" tags to set text below 100% of the user's default - it makes pages difficult to read, for people with visual disabilities. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 18:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Did you get anywhere with this? Andy Mabbett 14:54, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Archbishop of Canterbury

Hi. You recently did a rewrite of this article's intro §; I just wanted to drop you a line out of courtesy to say that I have since done another rewrite, incorporating many of your revisions but with my own particular spin. I'm sorry if this was in any way stepping on your toes; but I'm really obsessed with refining and refining intro §s & I hope you can approve of my edits. Thanks. Doops | talk 28 June 2005 04:58 (UTC)


[edit] Kings of Kent

Hi, I see you wrote tha above page, I've just written King Arthur (opera) to fill a red link, and in doing so have made another King Oswald of Kent I see from your page he appears not to exist, was the character in the opera fictitious, or is Oswald corruption of the name of one of the known Kings, I was going to do a stub on him, but can't find any information at all. I wondered if you knew anything. Regards Giano | talk 15:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for looking, poor old Ossie will just have to remain in the red for a little longer. Thanks Giano | talk 22:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User Categorisation

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[edit] High Kings of Ireland

I've just created Donnchadh, having found it on the Most Wanted Pages list. I was wondering if you might know of any online resources that would help me fill it out (and the other Irish King stubs) a bit?

 The Land 12:18, 7 October 2005 (UTC) 

[edit] Sources for La Massana

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[edit] Bamangwato

Hi there, I've just been using your (really, really fantastic) table of Bamangwato chiefs. I've linked a few of the names to articles lurking under variant spellings, but I'm not sure I've done as you'd like because I don't fully understand the table. Am I right that the large text refers to official style/name, while the smaller text is the commonly used name? And what about the italicised bits (perhaps check sp, as surely shd be Mmaphiri, and possibly Lerraraetsa or other with double-r). Ooh, this list so useful! JackyR 21:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Templars

Btw, check out Temple Farm in Strood. THe article doesn't have much on it, but in fact all the "temple" names in Strood (Estate, School, Road) are from a Templar estate the house of which still exists amid the warehouses and industry down by the River Medway. Would you like me to feed you stuff about this as I come across it? (I'm doing bits of Medway hist.) JackyR 22:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rulers of Pate -good work, thanks!

Hi, I´m currently working on Lamu Islands, and in that connections I came across Rulers of Pate, which I believe were mainly written by you. Excellent work! Just one thing: do you have any reference of the inf. given? Regards, Huldra 02:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Categories in userspace

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[edit] Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion

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[edit] Horse Name of Guma Rulers

The article Rulers of the Gibe State of Guma you initiated uses the word horse name as an alternative name for rulers. Can you tell me what it is. I've never heard of it. Regards --Okko2 07:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New article for Barking Abbey

I have just started Barking Abbey - regards Gordo 09:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Spynie Church, Moray

John, noticed you have an image on the above in List of cathedrals in the United Kingdom. In the interest of accuracy, Spynie Church is unfortunately not on the site of the old cathedral but the stone that was in the old cathedral is indeed in this church. The site of the old cathedral is about 200 metres south of Spynie Castle where a small fragment of the wall is still existent. The stone was transported to the new church. Rgds, --Bill Reid | Talk 17:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Political Affiliations: Gambia

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[edit] G'Day!

Notice you have a little whinge on your home page about poor use of the English language.... well, at least I can't accuse you of being a WPB, because yer obviously not Pommie, whatever your accent, Mate!

I just rejigged your edits to Cathedral a tiny bit.... and now I'm gunna tellya one of my pet whinges. I can't stand blanky superfluous brackets! Here's a real bewdy! I wonder if you wrote it!

"The word cathedral is derived from the Latin noun "cathedra" (seat or chair), and refers to the presence of the bishop's (or archbishop's) chair or throne. In the ancient world, the chair was the symbol of a teacher (and thus of the bishop's role as teacher), and also of an official presiding as a magistrate (and thus of the bishop's role in governing a diocese)."

I would write those sentences with only the first set of brackets. (seat or chair). I utilise brackets in that sort of way regularly, but I hate finding them around things like "(for example, at Strasbourg)" when "such as Strasbourg" says it equally well. So.....you know what I've done (without even looking)!

Where are you busy being a Christian at? I attend one of the last bastions of Anglicanism in the Sydney Diocese. --Amandajm 11:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello Again!

John, there is a section of that Cathedral article that is just stubs. I suspect you might be the right person to complete those bits. How about it? --Amandajm 11:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry John! can i encourage you to do some more work on that article? --Amandajm 11:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cathedrals list

Hi John!

Your list of cathedrals is really good. I've just had a fiddle with it.... basically I've Wikified it by reversing the first two paragraphs so that the defintion now says what it is rather than beginning with what it isn't. And removed the first section heading because it was unnecessary and un-wiki. Plus a few minor tweaks so that it was less conversational.

So I hope you'll be happy with what I've done. Also, I read the discussion page and noticed comments about some buildings predating the CofE... well, regardless of that, the article is about cathedrals that are or were functional. These places that are listed under that heading have that current function within the CofE, so it's nonsense. If you were writing from some other historic standpoint, it would be different.

Good work! Amandajm 09:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:LitvinenkoGrave.JPG

Hi John, thank you for the image of Litvinenkos grave. Could you perhaps add some context information. I would like to know on which cemetery in which city this grave is located. Greetings, Longbow4u (talk) 06:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name change to List of religious houses in Scotland

Explain please, per your edit summery, why you changed the name of the article Lists of religious houses in Scotland back to Lists of abbeys and priories in Scotland citing (i) convention and (ii) lists specifically exclude hospitals? Could it be perhaps that the conventions are your conventions and the hospitals mention is that you've seen the proposed changes in my user space because why else why would you specifically mention hospitals that do not presently exist in the article? The title that you have now reverted to is not inclusive of religious houses in Scotland and I will change back to the inclusive name. Bill Reid | Talk 19:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply posted on Talk --JohnArmagh (talk) 20:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Noticed you added to you're original post but I'm watching football so I'll add my reply before you're addendum. You don't own articles and the present list is not inclusive and is miles out of date and no work has been done it for ages. I acknowledge that you did much good work and it will not be lost but it seriously needs updating and the approach being adopted is to develop the article in a logical manner.

Its not in your power to extend any exclusion based on your own set of rules and I personally don't favour the existing article design. I don't agree with your personal standardisation because there is no such thing as standardisation in articles or lists. An article is an article. No I don't want you to stop you're input to the list but the article was going nowhere and it needs to be moved on. Quite honestly, maybe you should consider changing the list titles that you do edit quite vigorously to something like the Scottish article title. I intend now to get the info produced by Deacon and myself (currently on my user space) out into the list as soon as possible. Bill Reid | Talk 20:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


I don't think my tone was appropriate above, sorry about that. The problem with the existing layouts is that they are not inclusive. The titles are misleading referring to abbeys and priories but the lead says that they also include friaries and "other monastic establishments". Yes I had noticed the Scottish list was dormant and that is precisely what prompted me to do something about it. I fail to understand why medieval religious houses should be limited to abbeys and priories when all the other religious houses (such as houses of knight templars, knight hospitillars and the secular collegiate houses) are ignored. I can understand your reluctance to include the others because of the work involved but that shouldn't be a deterring reason. What is being done is to build on your work and to include all medieval religious establishments in Scotland. You can see what is being prepared here [1]. I'm not familiar with the OS's Monastic Britain but if it refers only to establishments that can be plotted on a map then it will list very few of the Scottish places. I have to say that I'm not a fan of standardisation and actually prefer diversity but I may be in a minority there. The list we are working on is different in format from yours and we also use the standard WP footnote system, so maybe they could survive as separate lists. You have also defined the lists as monastic establishments whereas ours includes secular houses so there is overlap; the question is, are there sufficient differences to survive in the longer run? Bill Reid | Talk 09:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you can say that the info regarding the secular houses is not comprehensive. The book Aubrey Gwynn & Richard N. Hadcock, eds. Medieval Religious Houses: England And Wales, rev. ed. Oxford, 1972. would meet your requirements very well. There is also an equivalent for Ireland as indeed there is for Scotland and is my main source but not entirely. In fact I would be very surprised if the info on English and Welsh houses is not at least as good as that available for Scotland. So you don't need to worry about not having comprehensive information on all religious houses. It would mean only a title change to your lists and the new info added. Wikipedia is the winner with all info under one roof. Bill Reid | Talk 17:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry not to get back to you - real life intervened. Personally, I don't think there is a need for a standard format. The table styles and the manner of ordering the information are different (yours is by location whereas ours is by religious order as adopted by the three sister volumes for E&W, I and S) but I'm wondering is that a problem? I don't think there are any published references with enough detail to be of any value for listing almshouses or hermitages; not in Scotland anyway but if you've got info then why not. Bill Reid | Talk 16:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Political Affiliations: Argentina

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[edit] List of rulers of Kabul

I am curious why it ends at 3 October 1901. Have there been no rulers of Kabul since then? Kingturtle (talk) 21:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

JohnArmagh, I notice that you changed my "different to" to "different from" in two places. I can live with the change, noting that one is my customary manner of expression and the other is somewhat different to it. (If some American had changed it to "different than" I would have reversed it without hesitation.) I'm going to be terribly pedantic here and say that I don't like the change being referred to as a "correction" because it is simply your preferred alternative, and may perhaps be the one in more common use. Amandajm (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi John. There's a considerable difference between changing "couldn't have", in which the "have" is a verb and changing the preposition "to" to "from" in "different to". The use of any particular preposition in that mmanner is more custommary than grammmatical. There are certain forms which are usually observed. In this case "different from" appears to be growing in usage. Please don't treat me like an ignoramus, which is what you are doing when you equate this usage which "couldn't of".
On the subject of "St. James's", (likewise Jesus's), The use varies locally, and ought to be respected. In Sydney, St. James' Church is nearly always refereed to in that manner. However, St. Thomas's, North Sydney, is St. Thomas's. Please continue to fix real errors wherever you find them! Amandajm (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for sorting out the Anglican/CofE problem. I'll try to keep it in mind. Amandajm (talk) 13:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cathedral

I've just made additions to this article. I'm sure it needs editting for grammar, spelling, expression etc, if you would have the time to take a look at it. You might also have some ideas to contribute. Someone with detailed knowledge obviously wrote a lot of the earlier stuff, but didn't bother to reference it. It's always a pain to try to do it later. Amandajm (talk) 05:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Punctuation for the Prince of Wales

Per the changing of Charles' to Charles's: as you are not making any correction, and are instead merely replacing one acceptable style with your preferred altarnative, you should leave the long-standing punctuation mode alone until you have achieved a consensus for making any changes to it, rather than edit war. I've begun a discussion for you at Talk:Charles, Prince of Wales#Possessive punctuation. Cheers. --Miesianiacal (talk) 20:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion of List of rulers of Katanga

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[edit] Possessive form of the last name of Richard Dawkins

I've reverted your edits to Richard Dawkins after reviewing WP:MOS and Apostrophe. Specifically, I noted the following three things:

  1. Two references that appear in the article use Dawkins' in the titles of the articles: "Richard Dawkins' Follow-Up to God Delusion Sold to Free Press for $3.5 Million" and "Missing link: creationist campaigner has Richard Dawkins' official website banned in Turkey". Per the MOS, we cannot re-render those into the other spelling form.
  2. The Dawkins' spelling is predominant even in the talk page. Accordingly, consensus appears to be to use Dawkins'.
  3. Neither the MOS nor the article on apostrophe usage note a British/American variance in treatment of possessives of names. The difference is noted to be on a writer-by-writer basis. Note that the of two articles I mentioned above, one is published in a US work, and the other in a UK work.

Accordingly, I can see no reason to alter the spelling. If you think that the spelling should be changed to Dawkins's in the original text of the article—which would create a mixed-spelling situation because of the titles—I encourage you to open discussion on the matter at Talk:Richard Dawkins and build consensus before attempting to make the change again. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 14:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

If the fact that the grammar is simply incorrect does not constitute reason enough then we might as well abandon any pretence to adhere to standards of language

Consensus does not necessarily indicate correctness. It merely indicates perception. If a mistaken perception is allowed to propogate then this can only lead to an umdermining of standards - and the undermining of the high standard to which the English language has attained, following centuries of evolution, must be seen as an anathema to anyone who cares about the language.

There may come a time when it becomes acceptable in encyclopedic articles to render them in text speak. That day is not yet here (and I hope to God that I will not be around to see that tragic time), but the propogation of erroneous or carelessly perceived language usage does nothing to uphold the standard of English, but rather it merely paves the way for the inevitable deterioration of the language which non-adherence to standards will lead.

Any authority whatsoever which considers that the absence of a possessive s is ever acceptable other than where the terminating s in a noun is due solely to the noun being a plural, such authority is wrong, and whatever the authority purports its authority in thereby most certainly undermines its authority in the discipline of the English language - and probably therefore fatally compromises its authority in whatever else that authority claims authority in. --JohnArmagh (talk) 15:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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The dispute should refer to where Dawkins name came from. Dawkin had a son, that is why the name Dawkins exists, as it is Dawkin's son, though the apostrophe was dropped. What you are suggesting makes sense, unless you realise that Dawkins itself has a possessive clitic, in which case you would be effectively trying to write Dawkin's's.Ninahexan (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Proper nouns per se need not follow grammatic conventions. Hence it is quite acceptable for a place to be called St. James' Park, or for a street to be called St. Johns Street, or a commercial organization to be called Barclays Bank. The origin of Dawkins may well have been Dawkin's son, but the development of the Norse-type contruct (i.e Dawkinsson) pre-dates the introduction of the apostrophe.
Certainly the incorportation of grammatic convention into propoer nouns can cause anomalies, albeit rare: for instance one may refer to the checkout at a particular Sainsbury's store as the Sainsbury's's checkouts, whereas one should technically refer to checkouts at Sainsbury's stores in general as the Sainsbury'ses' checkouts. --JohnArmagh (talk) 18:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi I'm glad I found your page, what an excellent list of priories. Amazing how many are red-linked. I was working on the Osmund Lewry article, and tried to find out something about Hawkesyard priory, and it turned out there was almost nothing on it. I have commented about this on Wikipedia Review [2]. Previously banned user (talk) 09:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Denny Abbey, Cambridgeshire

I started editing Denny Abbey today using English Heritage's 2003 guidebook to the site. I soon realised that a huge amount of editing of the article would be required, and not being a historian perhaps I was the wrong person to do it. Would you or someone in the Wikiprojects you are associated with, be interested in buying a copy & then carrying on a re-edit? At £2.99 it's quite cheap to buy.

If anyone has questions I live nearby, and know the Curator well and I'm sure can find answers.--Lidos (talk) 22:31, 5 December 2009 (UTC)




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