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[edit] Scouting in Northern Ireland

I have started the process of rewriting the UK County articles with this one. It covers both SA and SI in NI, but not Guiding. I do not know whether there are any traditional Scouting Groups there. Do you? I'll probably see how this goes and then flag doing Wales. It is a big job. --Bduke (talk) 05:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's going to be quite a job. I know that we have Groups over there, and will ask for some extra details on them and any other Independents active there. DiverScout (talk) 16:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that. There is a need for that information on the NI article. I have now started the process for Wales. The Area articles are tagged for a merge. The discussion is at Talk:Scouting in Wales. That points to User:Bduke/Sandbox2, where I am drafting the new article. We need some information on traditional Scouting in Wales too. I have just heard of one Group but it closed. I do not the name of it. --Bduke (talk) 00:41, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not aware of any active B-PSA Groups in Wales, but will email to find out if there are/were any. The new pages are looking pretty good. Much easier to use. DiverScout (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UK Region Scouting articles

"Scouting in East of England" is now pretty well drafted at User:Bduke/Sandbox4 and is nearly ready to be put into place. It is the only one so far with any B-PSA content. Are you happy with the way I have dealt with that content? Can you add more about the B-PSA East Anglia District. How many Groups, etc. are there? Can you mention other Distrcits in the region of East of England? I have dealt with Camp Sites separately as they are not always just TSA. Some are run for Scouts and Guides by a Trust. Many are open to many youth organisations. I am not completely happy with it. What are your thoughts? Other regions need the Campsite section cleaning up a bit. Can you add B-PSA material to any of the other regions? The last three are close to being put in place and six already are, plus Wales and NI. --Bduke (talk) 22:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

That looks good to me. Once it's up and running I'll add the other camp sites that I know of. There is also one site which is independently-owned, but available solely to Scouts and Guides (plus other similar youth groups), d7o you feel this would this be appropriate to add here?
BPSA Groups usually keep their heads down, if you want to know the full reasons we can chat by email. Fakenham Lancaster is the only group in this region willing to list itself on the net at the moment, but if this changes so can the format here. I'll slowly see what I can do about the other areas, but it is a bit tricky... DiverScout (talk) 11:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Good. I will put it in place when I have time. Yes, add stuff about camp sites that B-PSA folks use. I have altered all the campsite section to be more neutral mentioning TSA when it is appropriate. I will email you but in a while as I'm tied up. --Bduke (talk) 12:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting and Guiding in Norfolk

What should we do with this article? It was a useful idea but we have now followed a different line. Nothing links to it now I have changed the redirect from Scouting in Norfolk, and its brother with no capital letter, to be in line with how all such articles now redirect to Scouting in East of England. Some material could be merged. I am not inclined to merge the number of Groups in each SA District, as this is rarely backed by reliable sources and gets altered by original research. The stuff on the British Boy Scouts is interesting and should be merged, but it needs a source. Do we have one? Since it deals with Guiding as well as Scouting making it a redirect is not the answer. I'm inclined to delete it and I could do that as a speedy delete if you requested it as sole author. What do you think? All the English regions are done now and I'm working on Scotland. --Bduke (Discussion) 23:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

This mentions the 1st Norwich, but not the other BBS Group. --Bduke (Discussion) 23:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi Brian. I agree that this page has now served its purpose, so am happy for it to go. I'll try to find a reference for the second BBS Group, other than the email that I have from the BBS! May be best to refer it as "operated groups, including 1st Norwich" until I can do so. DiverScout (talk) 12:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I have deleting it after moving in the stuff about the BBS as you suggest. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

OK. I'll sort that out sometime. On your current edits, why not put the early Norfolk Groups under History where I put the old Suffolk Groups. After all they were neither B-PSA or TSA back then. I think that is appropriate. The stuff on other associations is great. I wish we could get that sort of info on all region articles. --Bduke (Discussion) 23:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments! I've moved the history stuff to the right location, and will add more detail when I find it. I've also started to add some graphics - badges at the moment. Some are not fantastic copies, and will need to be upgraded in the future, but I think that they add to the user-friendliness. DiverScout (talk) 14:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Badges

Wherever you're getting the wonderful badge images from, can you procure Guernsey Anguilla Montserrat Turks and Caicos British Virgin Islands Saint Kitts and Nevis ? Thanks, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do, but no promises! I've started collecting virtual badges for a feature on my Group's website, and some of these are ones sent by other Groups on request. DiverScout (talk) 16:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WFIS World Jamboree

See WT:SCOUT#WFIS World Jamboree- images. I'm hoping we can create an article on WFIS World Jamboree with enough information on each jamboree to be able to retain the images. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

That would be nice, but I'm afraid that I have no idea where information for that is likely to be found on the 'net. If I find anything I'll link it! DiverScout (talk) 23:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jamboree 2008 (Northumberland)

You appear to have just removed the AfD notice form this article. That does not remove it from AfD and you are not supposed to do that. Interestingly nobody has commented yet at the AfD discussion. --Bduke (Discussion) 11:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Brian, I have removed it as a malicious edit, which I am entitled to do, based on Jergen's refusal to give justification for his deletion request. I am happy to discuss issues, but do not like high-handed actions. DiverScout (talk) 11:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Regardless, removing the notice does not remove the article from the AfD process and can be considered disruptive editing. Looking at the entry at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jamboree 2008 (Northumberland), Jergen put it up for deletion based on notability. The article does not currently have any third-party references that demonstrates notability. Your proper response should be to expand the references and demonstrate proper notability. If you participate in the AFD, I heartily recommend that you read Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Ed, the article cites external references, more than a large number of Scout articles on Wikipedia, as has been agreed by Brian on the talk page. It did before it was nominated. Failure to include enough external references is not, by the way, acceptable as sole justification for deletion under Wiki policies. Yes, I know policy too.
Jergen's justification was that it was not notable as it was a "regional event". It clearly was not, unless, for example, Portugal has magically become part of North East England. Jergen's nomination for AfD is, bluntly, based on a lie.
Jergen attempted a six-day speedy deletion, and when this failed rather than engage in communication he has simply tried another tactic to delete the page. Notability, on several counts, is contained within the article - and is now included in bullet points in the talk page. DiverScout (talk) 00:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Please calm down about this article. There is no SA plot. Nobody from the SA has, as far as I can see, even commented on this, let alone proposed it for deletion. Jergen is not SA. He is from Germany. Now it is getting some "keep" arguments. The more third party sources you can add the better. Yes, there are SA articles with no or few third party sources. We need to work together to fix them. --Bduke (Discussion) 00:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. I have never even mentioned the idea of Jergen being from the SA. I have complained about his high-handed attitude, which implies that this is somehow his site and he has no need to engage in discussion with others over content. DiverScout (talk) 09:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Apologies. I read this - "I guess that it's going to be my duty to mark a LOT of Scout stuff on Wikipedia for speedy deletion under the exact same criteria." as being against SA stuff, wrongly. That is still a bit pointy. Everybody except Jergen is trying to help to keep this article. I understand some of the points Jergen is making, but not the overall thrust. In particular he should have discussed his concerns more widely in the Project before putting it to AfD. Mostly we can sort stuff out internally without going to AfD. --Bduke (Discussion) 11:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it could be seen as a bit pointy, but I am a firm believer that what goes for one goes for all - and if his argument is valid for attempting a speedy delete, and now AfD, on this article, it has to apply equally to all similar articles! My argument against Jergen's actions, however, is his refusal to enter discussion before tagging AfD, so you don't need to worry about me behaving in like manner. :) As I hope is evidenced by my log, I'm far more likely to try to add external links and content to help Wiki articles. DiverScout (talk) 11:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Milhist!

[edit] Heritage station infobox

Drat! I was thinking about doing that for a while and then never got round to it and eventually forgot. :) Good job.

Simply south (talk) 21:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! Glad it is of use! DiverScout (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BPSA template

Please review, edit and use: {{Scoutorg BPSA}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 10:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. This will be/is already a great help! DiverScout (talk) 23:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
You are welcome. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 00:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Girl Scouts of Jamaica

Thanks for the help and support. YIS Lavinia--Girlscoutsjm (talk) 00:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bronze Lion Award

Can you write an article on this? I think it would be most interesting! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do, but it would be hard to properly third-party reference one at the moment, so it would probably just be a paragraph on the WFIS article. DiverScout (talk) 11:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Norfolk

Hi

I am talking to a couple of people at the moment about checking through Norfolk articles and reworking bad ones/filling in missing ones.

Do you have any interest in this > I notice that a lot of your work is on Scouting, but if you could spare some time please let me know

Thanks--Chaosdruid (talk) 16:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. I've been meaning to have a go at a few, and have added a few missing RAF pages and a couple of village entries, but have not had enough time to blitz many. Let me know, and I'll see what I can do! DiverScout (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting in East of England

I removed the badge heading deliberately as I did not think it was needed. I also removed a sub heading for the Scout Network which I also thought was unnecessary. Now the editor who added the Scout Network stuff is complaining on my talk page that the Scout Network is under a badge heading. I have left the badge heading and have moved the Network stuff further up, but it is not ideal. The badge stuff dominates this section too much. Cheers, --Bduke (Discussion) 23:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Brian, if you note each County section has the same heading as part of the common format that has been there since the pages were adapted to meet the Fair Use agreement - also the title is there as it is the section written about District badges! Removing the title waters this down and could lead us back to the stage where the badges are ordered to be deleted. DiverScout (talk) 11:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand that, but I do not think we want a lot of sub-headings. Most sections should just be a single sentence and they should not have headings. My view on the images is different from yours and the majority. I would not care if they were removed. I think we are developing a free encyclopedia and we should not have fair-use images. I also have never shared the general Scout passion for badges. Of course I am not going to do anything as a result of my view. I do not have a consensus. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
That's fair enough, we're all different! I see badges as a way of including images, which are taken to be an important aspect of good content on Wikipedia, without having to worry about child-protection issues. I'd love to see the result of trying to gain consensus for removing all badges, but that is probably just my evil side! DiverScout (talk) 01:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
No, it is'nt going to happen unless ALL fair use images are removed from wikipedia. Have you seen the battle on Intelligent design to remove some fair use book covers. The attack on them is relentless. I suspect you are going to have work harder in the future to keep badge images. Me, I'll just keep my head down. --Bduke (Discussion) 07:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

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Barnstar search rescue.png Hello, DiverScout. Based on the templates on your talk page, please consider joining the Article Rescue Squadron. Rescue Squadron members are focused on rescuing articles for deletion, that might otherwise be lost forever. I think you will find our project matches your vision of Wikipedia. You can join >> here <<.

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[edit] Welcome to the Article Rescue Squadron!

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I am not sure that the use of the template on Abbey Gates Primary School was a very good idea. Such primary schools are almost never notable, and the template is more effectively used only on articles where the work has a reasonable possibility of being effective in saving the article. DGG (talk) 17:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
That particular school had been used in national education training, which suggested to me that it might get past the predudice shown against Primary schools on Wikipedia. DiverScout (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Wizzard!

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Oh all right then, here you are. pablohablo. 21:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Cheers! XD DiverScout (talk) 00:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Well it's a bit unusual but who am I to argue with the closing admin? pablohablo. 12:08, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks on Norwich School (educational institution)

Thank you very much for noting your concerns about this article at the copyright problems board. I have removed the extensive runs of text duplicated from the article and left a note at the article's talk page explaining to interested contributors how to verify permission to use this information, if they so choose. I'm watchlisting the article for a time, as it seems possible that this one may be a problem with reintroduction of infringement. Anyway, just wanted to let you know that your diligence is noted and appreciated. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Response to: Old Norvicensians

Please note that I intend to revert you good faith edit as it does not reflect common practice on Wikipedia. See Gresham's School, List of Old Greshamians,, Eton College, etc. Regards, DiverScout (talk) 09:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing this, not much room to comment but sometimes I have problems editing articles primarily of relevance to the UK since I know a lot more about United States practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BeBoldInEdits (talkcontribs) 11:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mid Norfolk Railway

Hi. Sorry, haven't been ignoring your request, just haven't had time to look at the article. I wouldn't be able to officially rate it as GA anyway, just give you some pointers to address to help you get there.

Your next step is probably to request a Peer Review. Whether that means getting other UK Railways editors to review it, or just some other editors, I don't know (I've never done it). (Have a look around the help pages for clues.) The idea is that you'll get input from impartial reviewers to help get the article into the right structure. Then you'll need to go through the GA review process (again, you'll need to look in the help pages for more...) But the article's well on the way, I'm sure...

Best of luck. EdJogg (talk) 00:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

On the 'Allo 'Allo! Episode which was filmed called A Fishy Sendoff not Sand Trap. Mr Hall of England (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] An edit to the Norwich School article

Hi - you engaged in a debate a while back with someone who wanted to remove me from a list of notable ex-pupils of Norwich School. Honestly, I don't believe I merit the reference and I would prefer not to be listed. Tom Coates (talk) 10:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Trouble is that you have an article about you, meaning that you meet Wikipedia notability standards and, therefore, end up getting listed. Guess that that is the problem with being a public figure. DiverScout (talk) 10:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I understand that I have no criteria by which I could protest being in there. I'm just a little unsure that there's a particularly good reason for inclusion either. Compared to the other people listed, my contributions to the world are utterly trivial. A lot of people in the technology industry get listed in Wikipedia. They scrape in at the bottom of the notability scale, but because they're notable to an audience that are heavy Wikipedia users they get listed. As it stands, given that I'm still alive as are many people I went to school with, that reference is just sort of embarrassing. Tom Coates (talk) 22:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I can see what you mean, but I'd certainly argue that you have made more of a contribution than, say, Becky - and the most famous ON there only went to the school for a couple of weeks, so is hardly an ON. I'm not keen on removing you on the basis of Wiki notability and impartial editing, but I'm hoping to add a lot more people (if the school has anything like as many notables as other independents) which will make you less obvious. As a favour, though, I'll accidentally miss it if someone else edits you out (until the list is improved and other living notables are included). With regard to those who you went to school with, I'd just laugh at their jealousy! DiverScout (talk) 07:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting in the UK

Pleas see the discussion at Scouting in the UK#Issues. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ed. Not sure which discussion you are flagging as there is no Scouting in the UK#Issues entry and no discussion I can see on the stub article Scouting and Guiding in the United Kingdom. Could you give me a pointer about where to look? DiverScout (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
<facepalm> Here is the link :Template talk:Scouting in the UK#Issues and here is a pointer. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Cheers, and great Pointer btw! :) DiverScout (talk) 08:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Notable rail crash - County School 1915

By all means add the crash again if you think it important, but be prepared to see others revert it again. There are at least three or four bumper-crunchers on the railways every year in Britain resulting in no casualties, and there were probably far more every year in the past. A trawl through the documents listed by year in The Railways Archive gives some indication of the volume. If all these were deemed notable, the article might well become unmanageably large. It is also unfortunate that this trifling (with regards to loss of life and injury) incident is immediately adjacent to the disastrous Quintinshill crash, the worst in British history. HLGallon (talk) 11:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:WyDFRAC charter at Fakenham 1979.jpg

Hey, sorry, are you Chris Milnes? It's not made clear from the image description... J Milburn (talk) 12:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No, Chris does not have a PC that can do this - that is why it's been listed using the Wikipedia upload instructions for third-parties rather than the first-person one. DiverScout (talk) 23:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for clarifying. May be worth adding an explanatory line (mentioning who Chris is- a friend of yours?) to the image- that's the kind of thing that could wind up deleted, and may stand in the way of an article becoming good/featured, if it's not clarified. Thanks, J Milburn (talk) 16:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Test your World War I knowledge with the Henry Allingham International Contest!

Henry Allingham in 1916.jpg

As a member of the Military history WikiProject or World War I task force, you may be interested in competing in the Henry Allingham International Contest! The contest aims to improve article quality and member participation within the World War I task force. It will also be a step in preparing for Operation Great War Centennial, the project's commemorative effort for the World War I centenary.

If you would like to participate, please sign up by 11 November 2009, 00:00, when the first round is scheduled to begin! You can sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here!
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[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIV (October 2009)

The October 2009 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
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[edit] WikiProject Scouting elections

You are receiving this notice as an active member of WikiProject Scouting. To change your status as a member, please edit Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Members.

Rlevse is retiring as our lead coordinator; see Stepping down as ScoutingWikiProject Lead Coordinator. Election for a new coordinator will be held after the new year. If you are interested in nominating yourself or another editor, please add the name to Project coordinator election.

Yours in Scouting
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)




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