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[edit] Date formats after autoformattingWith the recent deprecation of date autoformatting, "raw" dates are becoming increasingly visible on Wikipedia. Strong views are being expressed, and even some edit-warring here and there. A poll has been initiated to gauge community support to help us develop wording in the Manual of Style that reflects a workable consensus. As you have recently commented on date formats, your input would be helpful in getting this right. Four options have been put forward, summarised as:
The poll may be found here, as a table where you may indicate your level of support for each option above. --Pete (talk) 18:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC) [edit] Redesign draft, redux
[edit] Date format poll confirmationYou recently contributed to a poll on date formats.[1] The option you supported won the poll but is now an option in a final poll to test support against the current version.[2] The poll gives full instructions, but briefly the choices are:
If you wish to participate or review the progress of this poll, you may follow this link. --Pete (talk) 01:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC) [edit] TER mapsChris, I already massivily modified the TER map off Nord pas de Calais. The result is Image:TER map Nord-Pas-de-Calais II.png. It took a lot more work than I anticipated, but I wanted to finish it. It was originaly a fotograph off the map in the TER guidebook. There are sufficient style and map changes to prefend any copyrigth problems. The copyrigth issue is confusing. It is a public document issued by a public authority. On some TER maps there is the SNCF logo and some such as the one off Picardie, there is a copyrigth marking. The SNCF logo doesnt necessarily imply ownerschip, because the SNCF runs most off the train services on the map. If the map is made by a professional design office, they wil take care to protect it with a copyrigth marking. I find the discussion in the common on copyrigths farfetched. Only handmade maps would be tolerated. I have looked at the rff maps, but they are off limited use as they do not show the trainservice patterns. And I am not certain that copyrigth problems are avoided. Derivatives are also forbidden. The next TER map I would need to work on is the Rhone Alpes map, because I have written a dutch article wich needs it. (The other maps dont have an article yet, so there is no urgency) Greetings, Smiley.toerist (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC) [edit] AAU reminder notice
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Thanks for your contributions to the project, Jordan Contribs 17:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC) [edit] Your report on AIVThank you for your report. However, WP:AIV is for reporting current vandalism. The IP you reported has not edited in over 24 hours, so does not require urgent administrator intervention. Please remember to check the user's contributions to ensure they are a persistent, ongoing problem before submitting your report. All the best, EyeSerenetalk 20:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC) [edit] TfD nomination of Template:Image GalleryTemplate:Image Gallery has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Neelix (talk) 16:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC) [edit] No content in Category:Station diagram template Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Category:Station diagram template, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Category:Station diagram template has been empty for at least four days, and its only content has been links to parent categories. (CSD C1). [edit] formation du territoire français sur Formation territoriale de la France métropolitaineBonjour Merci de participer à l’amélioration da le carte animée([3]) de la formation du territoire français sur Formation territoriale de la France métropolitaine([4]). Toutefois quelques-unes de vos suggestions ne me semblent pas appropriées à cette carte. Car même si la France et la corse ont été occupé par les armées allemandes, en aucun ca elles n’ont été annexé comme le fut l’Alsace-Loraine. Je retiens néanmoins les propositions suivantes :
[edit] New message You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. . G.A.Stalk 07:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC) [edit] You maybe interested in the Article Rescue Squadron
[edit] Removed referenceYou removed a reference and the refsection from Template:Infobox France station/doc. But you removed it from inside a <pre> example, leaving the actual reference. I fixed it. Debresser (talk) 13:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC) [edit] Re:New Bilateral Relations mapThanks. It's perfect.Deavenger (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC) [edit] Map sizeChris, I am concerned about the size of the maps, and ask for suggestions for improvement - however, simply reducing the size is not the complete answer. First, it messed up the rendering of the page (which I can fix, but did you look at the mess you left?) Second, the numbers of the schools and the pog now overlap, making the map look very unprofessional. [edit - I've changed the background color to partially fix this] I tried to make the map as small as I could without overlap - that size was roughly 700, once I got to that size, it seemed better to go to a full width. Again, I look for advice if there's a better way. I will look into making the pog clickable - so I can remove the numbers, but as these are my first maps, I'm still learning. Sphilbrick (talk) 18:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC) [edit] What's all this pointless removing of redirects?If you really object to [[Dauphiné Libéré]] redirecting to [[Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré]], then replace it with a piped link [[Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré|Dauphiné Libéré]] rather than removing useful links. This is tantamount to vandalism. Kevin McE (talk) 13:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Bot problemChrisbot appears currently to be replacing 'uCONTI' with 'CHRISBOT'. I presume this isn't what was intended. Jheald (talk) 16:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Ipswich to LineWell I think you or your bot should havea look at this, cos I want it exiting LEFT not RIGHT. and if your bot can't mange that in one edit, it shoiuld leave it alone. I edit very incrementally-- I have made 18 edits on this article this morning-- and don't need a stupid bot jumping in half way through. If it can't get it right then it shouldn't be let loose on Wersikipedia. I shot pageould NOT have to read your bot page-- I did not even know your bot exist until it made a bad edit. If a human editor made that edit it would be rightly undone. Yours not in particularlt good mood SimonTrew (talk) 12:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Why does it "need" to be changed (and I don't want any theoretical reasons about what is left and right)? Can you point me to an AfD or RfC or ssome other discussion that agrees the change? Admittedly I have not been very active but I would have thought something could have been posted on the project talk pages etc. SimonTrew (talk) 12:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)e Now I have calmed down a bit let me put this a little more constructively. I wanted to revise this diagram and it came to the top of my watchlist because of your bot's action yesterday so I decided to have a go this morning (I am on BST) assuming whatever the bot had done it was finished doing. I edit incrementally so to get from where it was to where I wanted it to be I do a LOT of previews and a LOT of incremental saves, however AT EACH STAGE the diagram was topologically correct even if not as lovely as I wanted it to be, i.e. at NO TIME would a reader access that page and find incorrect information. Your bot, on the other hand, INJECTS INCORRECT INFORMATION i.e. the CHRISBOT tags. You can therefore understand my frustration when I have taken great care *not* to break the article at any time and your botimmediately I've finished goes andbreaks it-- with no explanation. SimonTrew (talk) 12:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC) I didn't ask where it was approved. I asked where it was discussed. Since I am obviously not the only one (see below) it seems pretty obvious to me if you have a bot nobody has heard of, and when you go to the bot page the only comment is STOP, you start wondering what the thing is up to. These diagrams take a long long time to get right. It's not personal as such, any more than when your computer dies after you've spent hours editing a document then the backup doesn't load or whatever, but is frustrating nonetheless. I think necessarily a good editor has pride in his work and though nobody "owns" anything on wikipedia that doesn't mean a bot should TRASH it. If you can't think of a better migration route than a three-point turn during which the article is trashed, I suggest that it would have been better left as it was.ot. The fact is NO bot should go editing articles actively being edited-- they should stand off until the a conrticle has not been edited for a while. Like SmackBot does, for example (and it only ADDS info anyway). SimonTrew (talk) 12:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC) Sounds good, yeah, if there had been something in the edit summary, even justa pointer to the bot's page, that would have savesd my confusion and frustration. I appreciate this sort of maintenance does need doing sometimes, and either it was just coincidence or because it happened to re-enter my consciousness that I started editing it this morning, which is kinda in a sense rather perverse since it hadn't been touched for ages and your bot kinda made me get round to editing it! So, thanks for the bot (I don't pretend to understand why they need changing since its a straight left continuation that it changed i.e. nothing to do with up/down lines as far as I can see (f/g in german). These diagrams can be so fiddly that any unwonted change to them is bound to be looked on rather more seriously than a bot just, say, removing whitespace. You're right that I should have marked nobot or inuse but by the token that every edit I make stands on its own feet as an incremental improvement I don't really need to. That is why I encourage incrememental editing and that each change must stand on its own feet (it also allows other editors to pick the bones out of a large change much easier when it is broken into small parts each of which stands good on its own) and I was more annoyed about the bot breaking it AT ALL than the actual break itself, which was not huge. SimonTrew (talk) 13:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC) [edit] ChrisbotHi - I came here to query why this bot was replacing good icons with a blank one. I was about to shut it down as apparently faulty, but found this response you left for another user earlier. As others may also query this, I think you need to leave a note, either on the bot's user page or in the appropriate summary, e.g. temporarily changing cont icons (my italics). — Tivedshambo (t/c) 12:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC) [edit] TalkbackYou can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Go ahead old bean, restart it SimonTrew (talk) 13:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] ANPlease see WP:AN#Bot with no emergency shutdown button and comment. –xenotalk 21:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC) [edit] Another one of these
[edit] CONT icons in other projectsChris, have you taken into account that the CONT icons on Commons are used by other projects as well as en-wiki? You will need to update these as well. See for example [6] (used over 100 times just in the Catalan wikipedia). These all need to be corrected, or sooner or later someone from that project will turn up at Commons wondering why the images have been reversed. — Tivedshambo (t/c) 11:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] WP::OWNFEETChris, thanks for that, I maybe should have done it myself (there is a short essay on my user page but I presume you saw that). ut Your bot is doing good work and thanks very much for it. The railway diagrams that are under my eye I have changed to use the CONTu and CONTg symbols etc too so I think that's a bit of progress! I am not particularly a railway nut but using them a lot in my local area I know where they are wrong, of course others can look up their books etc but I know how it actually is (for example Railway stations in Newmarket came about between me and mjroots cos we found far more stations in Newmarket than we knew existed, and actually there are some lovely photos and aquatints of them in the Cambridgeshire Collection but I do not have permission to use them yet, though think I will probably get it). So keep up the good work and do not be discouraged! Yes it was a bit annoying but I think it was probably best to start at the smallest end and work up. You can imagine how many complaints you get for the main change of the CONT icons that aren't ex. I will go read OWNFEET and may make some small changes if I feel it is worthwhile but from your tone and the title I presume it expresses my own sentiment pretty much. Slightly an odd title eh but I think it puts it plainly enough. Very best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 16:45, 3 July 209 (UTC)
[edit] Icon swappingPlease note the comments I have made about icon-swapping at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#CONT icons. --Dr Greg (talk) 17:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC) cf. Wikipedia_talk:Route_diagram_template/Catalog_of_pictograms#prefix_changes re why *not* to change the prefixes. --AlisonW (talk) 22:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC) [edit] TalkbackYou can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. About WP:OWNFEET SimonTrew (talk) 14:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC) [edit] Rail Icon DirectionsYou are into the L/R/U/D/G/F kerfuffle. [edit] TalkbackYou can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. How about making it a case study as a sub-article? SimonTrew (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] midpersonsurely that would be midspouse? SimonTrew (talk) 21:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC) [edit] good jobCongratulation for your template for Lyon transport, I'm really bad at template :( I will put the correct links to the railway stations, do you think you can create the same templates of tramways (T1, T2...) and express buses (C1, C2...) of the french wikipedia ? Regards Lulu97417 (talk) 19:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC) [edit] Commons rail icons aren't just for English WikipediaI just happened to find this: hu:Shrewsbury–Chester-vasútvonal. The exCONT icons are all wrong, and I'm afraid it's your fault! --Dr Greg (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC) [edit] Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBotSuggestBot predicts that you will enjoy editing some of these articles. Have fun! SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. Your contributions make Wikipedia better -- thanks for helping. If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please tell me on SuggestBot's talk page. Thanks from ForteTuba, SuggestBot's caretaker. P.S. You received these suggestions because your name was listed on the SuggestBot request page. If this was in error, sorry about the confusion. -- SuggestBot (talk) 01:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC) [edit] What else?So Pietersburg and Warmbaths are definate english names, but what about the rest of SA? Butterworth in the EC has been changed to Gcuwa (thats real life and wikipedia), does that need to change back? And this is also the case with Stanger in KZN (now KwaDukuza)? But there is a whole list! I am not for change Mafiking to Mafekeng, or chaning Phutnaditjaba back to Witsieshoek, but I am for some name changes. Other names are that have been renamed since 1994:
Should we change these too? --Bezuidenhout (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC) [edit] MapSalut ! I wrote 90% of the article on francoprovençal language over the years, and originally created almost all of the images. (Some Wikipédians have recopied my maps and images, and now have their names on the files, but I don't really care ... I put them in public domain, but for the record, I made them first.) However, the point is, please do not put that map I made with francoprovençal place names with historical duchies and provinces back on the francoprovençal page. The article in in English, and maps should show place names used on English maps. (Wikipédia does not show maps of India in Hindi, nor does it show maps of Russia in Russian language on English Wikipédia, either.) -- If you like my francoprovençal place name map, put it in the Vouiquipèdia in the arpitan language. Note: I encourage you to write more articles for this encyclopedia as well. It needs your additions, since you are an expert. Bien amicalement, Charvex (talk) 08:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC) [edit] MoveSalut ! Thank you for your message. Regarding your proposed move of the Franco-Provençal language article, personally, I am strongly opposed to it. I do not know of any scholarly or serious books on linguistics or language history in English (or Italian, where most speakers live) that uses anything except « francoprovençal », « Franco-Provençal », or « Romand ». The only things I have seen in our French language with the neologism « arpitan » are published by passionate small groups, not by Stendhal University where most serious academic study is conducted on the language now in France. (I do not know what has been published at University of Neuchâtel. Perhaps you know?) -- When I first started working on the article, there were passionate speakers who thought the article should be called « Burgundian language » (in English). Horrible. This was a 1960s fad. There also seems to be disagreement, even on Wikipédia, about whether the spelling of the neogoligism should be « arpitan » or « arpetan » ! (I notice that someone forced through the spelling with the « e » for the InterWiki links on the left side of all Wikipédia articles. -- A horrible decision. I have never seen this spelling used anywhere - even the so named « arpitan » blogs. Who makes these decisions?) --- If you can provide some good scholarly English language books with that use the name « arpitan » rather than « franco-provençal » (even Italian or French), PLEASE let me know about them. (I will order them at Amazon.com, of course.) -- So, no change for now. -- Thank you! Bien amicalement, Charvex (talk) 23:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC) [edit] ReplyThank you for your well researched response! If I might reply: The book by Hervé Abalain (published by Gisserot) is a skinny little paperback book - very nice to become acquainted with subjects the first time. The one and only reference in it to « arpitan » reads: « Le francoprovençal est quelquefois appelé arpitan aujourd'hui » is not a strong endorsement of the name, you must agree. --- The book by Lodge published by Routeledge - a nice popular work for students - does not make any mention of the word « arpitan » at all via the Google search inside. --- The book by Kloss published by Université Laval in Québec is an excellent quality source. (Thanks! I had not seen this work.) I am certain that the sections about our francoprovençal language were written by Manuel Meune, who is originally from Ain. (You may know him. He and his mother Josine are the ones who translated the Lucky Luke and Tintin books into Bressan.) I believe Manuel is still a professor there now. The format of the book is similar to the one produced by Observatoire Linguistique in 2000 under the direction of Mr. Dalby, don't you think? --- The book « Geneva » published by ICON uses the term « Arpitans » with an « S » at the end. FYI: In response to your question: "now where did they get that from?": The word Harpitania (or Harpitanya) was the very first form of the name « arpitan » (or WikiLink spelling « arpetan »). It was originated by a group of political organizers and protesters (I have heard they followed Chairman Mao's Little Red Book for their principals) in the Valle-d'Aoste in Italy during the 1980s, rightfully seeking more recognition for our language. (I very briefly mentioned this in the Franco-Provençal language article under the section « Origin of the Name ».) Again, thank you for your links to 2 of 4 books in English that use the name « Arpitan », and one that uses « Arpitans » with an « S ». It is nice to know they exist, but they are not convincing. There are 130 years of scholarly journals and books that use the term « Franco-Provençal ». I do not think we should throw-away the traditional name in English which has a such solid basis for the Wikipédia article title, for a term that has not reached any consensus to its orthography, is not used in scholarly journals (except the single one you identified), and was born in the 1980s. With my best regards to you, Charvex (talk) 22:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] BSicon CONT mess you made: either revert ot bot fixI see several people in the page warning your renaming has disrupted diagrams in non-en articles — have you noticed it? You must either revert your renamings or do them properly — by renaming exCONTl to exCONTr etc. in all articles of all language versions of Wikipedia. And quickly, because this is messed up for 3 months now. Tuvalkin (talk) 02:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Redirect of Champagne-Ardenne to Champagne-ArdennesHello Christopher- I nominated your redirect for deletion. While we write "Ardennes" in English for the geographic region, and French does the same for the department name, the correct name for the region is "Champagne-Ardenne". See here: the article on the French Wikipedia. Eric talk 14:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC) Hi again Christopher- I started moving the page back to its original name, but had to ask an admin for help (see here). You might want to look at Wikipedia:Move, especially the second section, before you move another. Eric talk 15:15, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia:Books/Rail infrastructure in France Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and the page that you created has been or soon will be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard. If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding [edit] AWB on nl:Hi, I do not recollect not allowing you to use AWB... Please just reapply. Note though: as a bot without bot status on nl.wikipedia you are only allowed 1 edit every 60 seconds. Niels? en | nl 17:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC) [edit] Requesting a fade railmap icon for another use?Hello Chris. I was using some of the railline icons on Wikipedia for a project on Wookieepedia. They seem to work well with trade routes. Upon searching around, I found one you had designed and wondered if you had this going straight up-down instead of left-right. We could use it for the ends of routes that do not terminate at planets. Your help is greatly appreciated and you will receive credit for the new icon. :) -- Riffsyphon1024 (talk) 12:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC) [edit] SVGHi Chris, You may not remember me we had some fum with railway icons earlier in the year, and made WP:OWNFEET. I am wondering if you know anything about SVG format, or anyone who does. My basic problem is this. I have traced maps of Hungary for the counties, which are NUTS-3 in the NUTS of Hungary, as vector graphics in SVG. I traced one for each segment of a border as a path, that is, for each line between triangular vertices where three counties join, so for example Pest County is made up of border sections with each of the counties it borders (Nograd, Budapest, etc). This is at quite a good resolution for WP, i.e. about 8 to 10 times the resolution of any likely rendering device, but not of geographical quality. I realised early on that there was a small problem because, er, a border has two sides, so how to name those two sides. I hit on naming them using a "winding" algorithm so that if the border would make up part of a polygon (e.g. county) if it were drawn clockwise, the name of the county comes first, the bordering county (or other element e.g. country) comes second. So I am tickety-boo for nomenclature. Now, my intent was this. I can grab a load of borders and whack them together into a polygon, and ta-da I have a county that I can fill or title or whatever. I can take the borders a different way and whack them into, say, NUTS-2 categories, or indeed the whole country. All nicely in vector graphics. So far so good. BUT, here is the crux, seems simple: I don't know how to combine paths into a polygon. I know I can do it by editing the XML and copy-paste, but that is not what I want. I want it to use the same data and then join it together. I appreciate that because some kinda go anticlockwise (cos they are clockwise in the bordering county) I have to reverse the order of lines. I know I can do this with a bit of script. I was hoping, though, that I could, within the SVG grammar, tell it to stick a pile of paths together and treat it as a polygon, where the endpoint of one path would join up with the startpoint of the next. Any ideas? If you don't know, can you suggest who to turn to? Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 00:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC) 
Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 16:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC) [edit] TalkbackMessage added 19:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. You are quite right in all respects about the SVG Si Trew (talk) 19:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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