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[edit] Les plaisirs du goût, Maison Française d'Oxford, 13 mars 2009

Cher Andrew,

Puisque vous résidez en France et étant moi-même français, je me permet de vous écrire en français. Alors voilà: je suis chercheur au CNRS, en philosophie ancienne, et actuellement en poste à la Maison Française d'Oxford où j'organise une journée intitulée "Les plaisirs du goût/The Pleasures of Taste" le vendredi 13 mars 2009 et j'aimerais beaucoup que vous puissiez y participer. Je sais m'y prendre bien tard, mais je joue de malchance avec les conférenciers prévus… La journée devrait comporter 5 à 6 conférences de 30' à 40' et se conclura par la projection du film "le festin de Babette". Il y aura un exposé sur les Épicuriens et les Cyrénaïques (Jean-François Balaudé, Université de Nanterre), un autre sur la notion de modération chez Aristote (par moi-même) et aussi un autre sur les plaisirs de la table dans le cinéma français. Je recherche actuellement quelqu'un qui pourrait présenter quelque chose sur cette question au XVIIIè (peut-être un collègue d'Oriel). Si donc vous étiez libre et intéressé, sentez-vous absolument libre de votre sujet!

Bien cordialement, Jean-Louis Labarrière Maison Française d'Oxford

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[edit] indefinite schoolblocks

Hi, Andrew. I noticed a thread posted to the Administrator's Noticeboard on indefinite schoolblocks that might be relevant to the blocks you put on 75.147.24.106 and 75.147.24.105 at Vicipaedia. Would you please consider unbanning these addresses. If problems should recur, a finite block, perhaps corresponding to the school year or semester, might be more appropriate. The school to which these addresses belong requires Latin of all its students. Perhaps one or two at some point will make a positive contribution to your project. At the moment no student, however well intentioned, may edit or create an account from these address. Aramgar (talk) 16:54, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Good point. Thanks. I have de-obstructed these addresses. Andrew Dalby 17:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Aramgar (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Diocletianic Persecution

Could you have a look at this article, and comment on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Diocletianic Persecution/archive1. I'm not as up on the details here as I thought I was, and while it passes my minimal "will not be a public embarassment" test, it could probably use detailed criticism. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] a quick look?

Dear Andrew: PMAnderson suggested you might be in a position to take a quick look at this FAC WRT content. PMA has had a preliminary inspection, but will not be around much for a week. Tony (talk) 14:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: la:Canada

Thanks. I was just browsing around and saw the problem. I think I'll convert some more, if I ever get some more time. I'll just leave the sections requiring knowledge blank for now. Thanks, The UserboxerComplain/ubx 13:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

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We're holding a preferential vote to decide what proposals should go forward to the community and narrow down the vast selection that we currently have. Since you've commented at the above discussion, I thought you would appreciate the opportunity to participate Fritzpoll (talk) 08:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonia article naming

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[edit] Salut!

Văd că cunoşti limba română.

Te invit să participi şi la Wikipedia în limba română!

Toate cele bune!--FeodorBezuhov (talk) 09:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm the editor of a Greek food magazine called Epikouria (www.epikouria.com). I was wondering if you would be interested in writing an article for us about the intersection (if any) between what the Ancient Greeks ate and what is eaten today in modern Greece. Sadly, the deadline is in a month. I apologize for this means of communication, but had no other option as there is no contact link available on your website. My email is ellen.gooch sendyne.com. Please let me know if you are interested! Kind regards, Ellen Gooch70.107.220.106 (talk) 19:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Gui d'Excideuil

This article of yours from a while back just got nominated for deletion--of course it hasn't been, but perhaps you could add an exact reference--if it's many troubadors & other poets, who are they ? .You're the best prepared person here to do this quickly. DGG ( talk ) 01:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

also Andre de France. You should have been notified, but I don't think the ed. who did it knows you're currently around, since the article was written sometime ago DGG ( talk )
These are now being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lost fictional characters

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[edit] About some deleted pages

Hy Andrew

My name is Mario Barangea. In wikipedia I use the nickname Altenwolf (is a german translation of my name). Some time ago (sorry for my english language dominion status)I introduce myself in Wikipedia. The romanian page was deleted but still remains the oc and lat pages. It was an amusement and a lamentable way to promote myself. I really regret that. My e-mail adress is barangamar@yahoo.com. My wish is that those pages on wikipedia who referes to my person to be deleted. I'm sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Altenwolf (talkcontribs) 21:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, Mario, I understand. Thanks for explaining. I have deleted the page on the Latin Wikipedia (where I am an admin) and I have suggested on the Occitan wikipedia that they do the same. But I looked at some of your articles on Ziarul Financiar. Interesting ... Maybe your name will return to Wikipedia one day! Andrew Dalby 06:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Earl of Clare - I would be interested in your input as to the Medieval Earls of Clare on the discussion page for the Earl of Clare. Thank you. 64.148.59.168 (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC) Mugginsx (talk) 16:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

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To the Etruscan Poets

Dream fluently, still brothers, who when young Took with your mother's milk the mother tongue,

In which pure matrix, joining world and mind, You strove to leave some line of verse behind

Like still fresh tracks across a field of snow, Not reckoning that all could melt and go.

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It was actually posted as a comment below the WSJ article reviewing one of your books and I "borrowed it". :) I was thinking of its significance more in terms of your work on languages and language extinction (and more broadly as a commentary on the art of writing and publishing itself), but it does seem rather apt in capturing the sometimes ephemeral quality of Wikipedia article writing. Which of us are the Etruscans and which are the Latin speakers (is that what superceded Etruscan? Was it the Romans? Not my area of expertise I'm afraid).
I enjoyed reading some excerpts from your book on Wikipedia on your website. I found them provocative and had lots of ideas and follow-up questions. :) I liked that they seemed to capture the inspiring and often beautiful collaborative magic that happens here, while others gave a sense of the pettiness and gaming that pervade. The good the bad and the ugly I suppose? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

How is the book tour going? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:08, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Ha! Book tour! I've never done one yet. I mean, no one's ever suggested ...
Which is good, because I would hate it. I love travelling, but not in a different anonymous hotel room every night. Two months ago I visited the Getty Villa at Malibu, stayed for a week at Santa Monica, met nice people, talked about ancient food, modestly spread some press releases about the Wikipedia book. That's OK. Next week I go to England to make the acquaintance of my new granddaughter and I'll spread the word again. That's fine. I know people who've done book tours: it didn't make them any happier. Look at Oscar Wilde. Look at Julius Caesar. Andrew Dalby 12:48, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Cover art for Dictionary of Languages.

I love your Dictionary of Languages --

I recently got s copy of the book Color by Victoria Finlay, which uses exactly the same cover art as your DoL.

I am interested in the subject of the picture. Unfortunately, neither of you makes any mention (that I can find) as to what the image is, where it is from, or anything like that.

Can you tell me anything about the cover art? With no sense of scale, I can't tell if it's a building, a dollhouse, a picture of a painting or what.

Avjewe (talk) 17:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

You're right, I'm afraid. The book doesn't credit the image fully (only naming the immediate source of the illustration). I, too, have seen it used on another book. But where does it come from? If I remember correctly, I didn't know the answer at the time. I was a bit exhausted by the effort of finishing the book to a deadline (more or less) and I simply said, yes, that's a nice picture. I afterwards learned ... what? I think it's a wooden screen in a building in Istanbul. But I don't have any idea where to verify this, and my memory could be at fault. If you find out any more, please tell me. If I remember any more, I'll add the information here. Andrew Dalby 18:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:The World and Wikipedia.jpg

Hi Andrew, I removed File:The World and Wikipedia.jpg from User:Andrew Dalby/The World and Wikipedia, as a fair use image, its use is only permitted in articles in the manspace, per Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Further to that, it can only be kept if it is used in an article, and the only article that it could be used in is The World and Wikipedia, which doesn't exist. Unless the article is going to be written in the immediate future, the image should be deleted (as it is orphaned, and NFCC criteria 7 is its use in at least one article), and uploaded again if in the future the article is written, but my Google News search for "The World and Wikipedia" came up with nothing, suggesting that at this time, any article written will not meet the General Notability Guidelines, or the book guidelines. I am not sure what your plans would be for an article about the book....--kelapstick (talk) 18:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, Kelapstick.You're quite right, certainly not notable yet. If it becomes so, I might re-upload. We'll see! Best wishes Andrew Dalby 12:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] User:Andrew Dalby/The World and Wikipedia/Editors whose work is mentioned in the book

Hi Andrew,


I found out about this book through a Wikipedia-related blog. I've made a few edits to User:Andrew Dalby/The World and Wikipedia/Editors whose work is mentioned in the book, but I can't figure out who User:Julila is supposed to be; it's definitely a typo for "Julia" but I can't be sure which user is meant.

I'd be interested in obtaining a copy of The World and Wikipedia, but since I'm blind as it says on my user page, I wouldn't be able to access the print version. Graham87 06:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Aha, "Julila" wasn't a typo after all. I checked the user's deleted contributions and found nothing, so I just assumed that the user never existed. From your comment about him still being active on the Latin Wikipedia, I figured out that the article he spammed across multiple wikis was Artur Balder. The creator of the Artur Balder page on this wiki was Starwar25, and the article was deleted here because of this deletion discussion. But you probably already knew that. :-)
Thanks for considering my request to have the book in an alternative format. I'd be happy to obtain it electronically, in a text or HTML-based format (e.g. a Microsoft Word document, a PDF file, an HTML file, etc). Another option I have is trying to scan it using optical character recognition, but I shudder to think what the software would do to some of the Wikipedia usernames. Graham87 14:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Of course. Why didn't I think of that? No need to go the OCR route. I will get a final PDF version from the publisher and send it on to you. This will take me a couple of days as I am travelling right now. Send me an email, and you'll get the file from me as an attachment.
Yes, you have the story about Julila now. I used it as an example of cross-wiki spamming. I suspect Balder actually succeeded by this method in getting some foreign editions of his Curdy books published: briefly his Google results were pretty impressive. Andrew Dalby 17:57, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks very much; you've got mail. Graham87 01:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (File:The World and Wikipedia.jpg)

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Thanks for uploading File:The World and Wikipedia.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. kelapstick (talk) 16:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

As discussed above. Cheers. Also, you ever consider archiving your talk page? 240 kb is pretty big.--kelapstick (talk) 16:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Your book...

seems to be rather difficult to get. I've ordered it from a major book retailer, but it's on backorder... LadyofShalott 22:17, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Since my work on bacon mania is noted in it, the high demand should come as no surprise. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
No comment on that ... please keep on asking :) It's published in Britain but it does have a US distributor, and the distributor seems reasonably good at responding to demand and encouraging retailers to stock it. Demand will result in supply! Andrew Dalby 09:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, after posting this, I got an email last night saying my copy was on its way to my local store. (Yesterday afternoon, they could not tell me anything beyond still on backorder.) LadyofShalott 15:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Did you want me to sign it for you? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I'll let you know if I decide so... LadyofShalott 23:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re: myself in World and Wikipedia

I disagree with your assessment in the extract given that the rules supported its inclusion; the existence of several Wikipedia articles are known to be not because of adherence or allowance by the rules, but because their existence is supported by people who don't follow them. I've been trying to reduce the number of "criticism of..." articles, especially about politicians, to avoid political bias. With that said, do you mind if you e-mail me anything relating to me, or the article? I don't really have the financial means to buy the book just yet (ah, the joys of being a university student), but I'm interested to read what you've written about me :). Thanks, Sceptre (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The deletion of criticism is censorship. How anyone can argue that criticism of Bush or other office holders at that level isn't notable is beyond me. And the suggestion that it's been merged elsewhere is silliness. "Public perception" or whatever it's called. Absurd. This has been enormously damaging to the encyclopedia and made it much less comprehensive. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:02, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
We're not deleting criticism, we're displacing it to places where it's more encyclopedic. But enough of this; I don't want to argue on someone's talk page. Sceptre (talk) 02:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I'll reply on Sceptre's talk page. In general, I'm happy of course to tell people what I've said about them -- and I hope they will think that I've been fair, but who knows? -- but since I live by writing I need to sell books. Please remember, if you can't afford it yourself, you can afford to ask for it at a public and/or college library! Andrew Dalby 09:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] oldest recipe

I've just been working on some Wikipedia articles on some certain queer fish, and I've come across the (stub) article you started on Mithaecus. Supposedly, he wrote the first recorded recipe, this being for, as the article put it, "Cepola rubescens." Cepola rubescens is an obsolete (junior) synonym (biology) of Cepola macrophthalma, the fish I started an article about, and was a name invented by a Victorian Englishman. It is thus unclear if recipe in question actually refers to C. macrophthalma. I can't make any more headway, as Mithaecus lacks inline citations, so none of the statements there can be paraphased to the article on macrophthalma. If you can provide inline cits there, that would be great, and I'll probably be able to get macrophthalma in the DYK on the main page. Thanks, innotata (Talk | Contribs) 18:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That should be enough to improve the bandfish page, which I'm going to copy to my userspace. As for Cepola rubescens, it was described by Linnaeus: I was confusing it with another synonym. innotata (Talk | Contribs) 14:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
At Mithaecus, you state that Sicily "was rich and highly civilized." Not only that, it was known as Magna Graeca, big Greece. Surprised at the omission. innotata (Talk | Contribs) 15:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
More precisely, not Sicily alone but Sicily and southern Italy together were given this name. There's no reason not to add the information if you want! Andrew Dalby 16:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
The point was, it was thought to be part of Greece. Blame my little geographic error on Norman Davies's maps. innotata (Talk | Contribs) 17:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I don't think I would accept "it was thought to be part of Greece". At least, I would want to see an ancient source for what ancient people thought about that. It might be like saying "New England" was thought to be part of England ... Andrew Dalby 12:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which, we're trying to get some coverage of Guanti, (Assisi) Bastoncello, (Calabria) Scaddateddi, Zeppole Spignesi, Chiacchiere, Lattughe, Cenci, Donzelle, Bugie, Crostoli, Fritole, Ciambelli (Cocullo, Abruzzi) and Bomboloni as part of the Doughnut Days: Drive for the Next Decade event. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

As for Sicily, it is worth remembering that there was no Greece exactly at the time, but an area where people spoke Greek incl. Asia Minor, I suppose. And Sicily was more Greek than modern Greece. Anyhow, Cepola macrophthalma has been rolled out and probably will be accepted with a caveat for DYK. Why don't you take a look at it? There is a lot more to this fish than a taste that Sicilians thought went well with cheese! All sorts of interesting behaviors, and I've only started the article. innotata (Talk | Contribs) 22:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Greetings (regarding your book)

Hi. In case you ever write an updated version, or even just for your own interest, I would like to draw your attention to this. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll have a look right now ... Andrew Dalby 16:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)



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