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This template is within the scope of the following WikiProjects:

WikiProject Food and drink / Wine / Mixed Drinks / Bartending / Cheeses task force / Herbs & Spices task force / Spirits / Pubs task force

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This template is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of food and drink related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.

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This template does not require a rating on the project's quality scale.

Related taskforces:

	This template is supported by the Foodservice task force.
	This template is supported by Desserts Task Force.
	This template is supported by WikiProject Soft Drinks.
	This template is supported by the Coffee & Tea task force.
	This template is supported by WikiProject Beer.
	This template is supported by WikiProject Wine.
	This template is supported by WikiProject Mixed Drinks.
	This template is supported by WikiProject Bartending.
	This template is supported by the Cheeses task force.
	This template is supported by the Herbs & Spices task force.
	This template is supported by WikiProject Spirits.
	This template is supported by the Pubs task force.

WikiProject Wine open tasks:

^{edit · history · watch · purge} This list is transcluded from the tasks page, to edit this section click here.

Here are some tasks you can do for WikiProject Wine:

Article request: Andy Beckstoffer, Charles Krug, Gaja (wine), Georg Scheu, Gimblett Gravels, Global warming and wine, Maltese wine, Moroccan wine, John Patchett, Tunisian wine, Uruguay wine, Viña Errázuriz, Vine training systems, Vinexpo, Wine critics, Wine ratings.

Expand: any of the ~1000 wine stubs, particularly the region and "miscellaneous" ones

Improve: Canadian wine, Greek wine, Vitis vinifera, wine serving temperature, West Australian wine, other Start class articles

Articles to GA: Wine, Australian wine, Bordeaux wine, Burgundy wine, California wine, Champagne (wine), Chianti, Dessert wine, French wine, German wine, Grenache, Italian wine, Merlot, Pinot gris, Pinot noir, Rioja (wine), Sauvignon blanc, Spanish wine, Sparkling wine, Syrah, Tempranillo, Winemaking

Articles to FA: Cabernet Sauvignon, Riesling

Cleanup: Table wine, Wine competition, Wine tasting. Also, see this prioritized list of articles needing cleanup.

Peer review:Tempranillo, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a wine guide, Alcohol in the Bible

Copyedit: Aligoté, Cabernet franc, Chenin blanc, Malbec, Robert M. Parker, Jr., Pinot blanc, Rioja (wine), Tempranillo

Photo request: Just about all of them! Any pictures of wine regions, grape varieties or wine would be useful. In particular we need wine region maps that can be licensed for Wikipedia.

Collaboration: Operation stub-killer, Nominations for top level importance

Infobox: Template:Infobox grape variety, Template:Infobox Winery

Other: Comment on the grape article template and on the grape infobox. Not sure if this is the right place to add this but if anyone would like feel free to help build wikiquote page for wine:[wine]

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[edit] Bug report 1

This template is broken; it does not display the importance ratings of articles. --EncycloPetey 20:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Not so much broken, just primitive. :-)) I'm another one who's been nugged about that ever since my assessment marathon of September 2007. But I've now changed it to use Template:WPBannerMeta, which is a template for making templates. :-) Although it does constrain us a little bit, it does mean that you have half a chance of understanding what's going on, and adding new features should be much easier - full instructions are on the WPBannerMeta page. Leave a note on my Talk page if anything major has broken as a result. FlagSteward (talk) 14:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bug report 2

The template is further broken in that it does not display the commentlink correctly: "(If you rated the article please give a short summary at [[{{{commentlink}}}|comments]] to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)" - d'oh! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 15:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems to work for me, I tried from the Talk:Beef and it took me to a new sub page Talk:Beef/Comments which is what I would expect. Where did you try it? GameKeeper (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Tasks

I added Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink/Tasks to the collapsible section, and it worked fine until it was transcluded (which is all templates do, so it's kinda big). The template then wouldn't stop, and encompassed everything on the talk page. Here is the edit [1], if someone who knows a tad more than me about templates wants to do it properly, have at it. I'll leave it be. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 09:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed! It was a style error in the task list. JohnnyMrNinja 09:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Beer cat

This template places the talkpage of an article in the main beer cat when someone adds beer=yes to the template. I tried removing the main beer cat section from the template, but that doesn't seem to stop it. Only by removing the beer=yes from the template on the talkpage can it be stopped from adding the talkpage to the cat. Does someone know how to stop this template from placing talkpages in the main beer cat? SilkTork *^YES! 19:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Fixed --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 12:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "=yes"

Why does the explanation not say to add "[child project]=yes"? I can't find the word "yes" here at all. This should be made as clear as possible to everyone. Badagnani (talk) 07:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

You're right. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, continuous improvement--the key to the genius that is WP. Badagnani (talk) 07:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bug report 3

This template appears to leave whitespace above itself. 70.51.8.75 (talk) 10:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It has extra white space when 'nested=yes'. For example. Could an expert fix this? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 19:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe that was fixed. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 20:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bug report 4

This template is putting too much "tan-space" above and below. I saw it at Talk:Tim Horton, it looked fine here until I ?purged it, now it's broken everywhere :) Change in the meta-template? Franamax (talk) 19:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, to make it weirder, when I purge it, sometime it has the tan-space. When I just look at it {{WikiProject Food and drink}}, it looks fine. It's still broken at Talk:Tim Horton though. Franamax (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid it appears to be your computer and not the template. It looked fine in IE7, FF3, Opera 9.5, Chrome and Safari when I tried at it. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 20:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Well that's odd. I saw it at home XP2/IE7. Now I'm at a Vista/IE7/auto-updated PC and see the same problem, anon and logged-in. I'll wait a while to see if it goes away, then start looking at the HTML. Franamax (talk) 21:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

That is still the same browser, have you looked at it with a non-MS browser? --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 02:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] needs-photo

The documentation page for the template says that it supports a "needs-photo" parameter, but that parameter isn't implemented -- it doesn't add the article to any categories for articles needing images. Should it be removed from the documentation, or did someone mean to implement this and never get around to it? Tim Pierce (talk) 11:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Done Yeah, I meant to get to it and hadn't. I just took care of it on 6 April 2009, so it is all set to go. --Jeremy (blah blah) 19:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] need-photo 2

Any objections to changing the destination to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of food so that it matches existing requests and naming conventions of reqphoto? Traveler100 (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I have no problem with it as I have been overseeing the categorization of this stuff. There is category:Food and drink articles needing photo also that is part of the project tag ({tl|wpfood}} that appears to be overlapping this one. --Jeremy (blah blah) 19:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a note, since the category for photos has been changed on the template, the "needing photo cat" needs to be changed to a cat redirect to the "requested photographs" cat. I'm going to change that now, just wanted to let you guys know the reason why. --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I would have preferred him to go through and change them when he changed the category. --Jeremy (blah blah) 21:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, go through and change which? If there's some other bookkeeping that needs to be done around this change, I'll be happy to take care of it. Tim Pierce (talk) 21:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

If Jeremy is referring to the fact that the person who changed the template should have also realized that the deprecated category needed to be redirected, of course, this would have been preferable. However, it didn't happen that way. There are many "orphaned" categories out there, just take a look Category:Underpopulated categories (3100+ at last count). Hopefully, Jeremy is not implying that the task should have been left undone until the original person took care of it (or not). --Funandtrvl (talk) 06:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I am just saying Traveler should have taken the time to change categories on the articles that were still under the old cat after he made the change to the template. Leaving it to others is kinda inconsiderate. I would never say he must do it, and until then no one else should - I wouldn't do that even if I had the power as High Lord Wikia... 8-) --Jeremy (blah blah) 07:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, I am the one who changed the template, not Traveler100, so please don't blame him. :-) I don't understand what you think should have been done. The change to the template means that the category changes happen implicitly -- it's not necessary to update each article individually. There was a period of time where the articles continued to show up under the old category because Wikipedia had not exhausted its cache, but that doesn't require additional changes from editors (and, AFAIK, it can't be hurried either).

If there is something else you think needs to be done, please let me know and I will take responsibility for cleaning it up, but I think that with the category redirect (thanks Funandtrvl!) this should be all set. Tim Pierce (talk) 15:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thanks Twp. Wouldn't it be advisable to tag the deprecated category for deletion, now that the articles have migrated over to the current category? BTW, "High Lord Wikia"?? That's pretty funny, must add it to a sub-category of Internet addiction disorder. (just kidding) --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Yup, thanks for the reminder, I'll do that. Tim Pierce (talk) 16:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Done: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_May_14#Category:Food_and_drink_articles_needing_photo. Tim Pierce (talk) 16:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Order of parameters

The order in which the parameters are input in this template make a difference to the categories which talk page is place in. It appears to only work as intended if the sub-project tag is first in the list. As example see last two test edits of Aladdin's Eatery --Traveler100 (talk) 12:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] bug 2

If two sub-projects are added only one request photograph category is created. See for example Talk:Bristol Cream --Traveler100 (talk) 08:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)\

that is not a bug, it is deliberate.--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

why?--Traveler100 (talk) 06:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bug 3

It also appears to be case sensitive. See example Talk:Hünkar (restaurant)

[edit] Size

Please reduce the size of this banner. It is taking up far too much space on talk pages. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:56, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean? I just undid all of the changes I have done in the past week and is still the same size. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 07:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Here are the changes I have made in the past week:

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and

 |B_CHECKLIST         = yes   |b1={{{B-Class-1|{{{b1|}}}}}}   |b2={{{B-Class-2|{{{b2|}}}}}}   |b3={{{B-Class-3|{{{b3|}}}}}}   |b4={{{B-Class-4|{{{b4|}}}}}}   |b5={{{B-Class-5|{{{b5|}}}}}}

I have removed them from the template and the size has not changed. I have also looked at several other templates and they are all the same width. Are you sure this is the fault of this template? --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 07:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The linkbox you added was stretching the banner vertically. At a glance, I'd say the oversized task force icons are part of the problem too. PC78 (talk) 11:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

When I looked at other unrelated boxes on unrelated pages, they were all the same width on multiple computers and browsers. This link box was copied from another template and it doesn't have behave as you say it does. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 01:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually it does -- look again. All project banner are the same width; we're talking about height here. PC78 (talk) 02:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Ach, now I zee... (said in a bad German accent), that would be no big deal to fix. Why didn't you say that in the beginning! 8-)--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the issue is with the height of the banner, mainly caused by the huge taskforce icons. When there is more than one taskforce, the size is ridiculous. If you want to keep those, perhaps we can put the taskforces in a collapsed box? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Go for it... You can also rest the size on the images if it is proper. I want to put back the stuff I removed, though. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 06:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Task force parameters

Judging by the various task force parameters in this banner, can I assume that the following banners are now deprecated and replaceable with this one: {{WikiProject Spirits}}, {{WikiProject Beer}}, {{WikiProject Wine}}, {{WikiProject Mixed Drinks}}, {{WikiProject Soft Drinks}}, {{WikiProject Ice Cream}}? PC78 (talk) 11:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't assume anything. The reason this supports those other tags is in cases where there is significant overlap and we can avoid using several templates.

--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 01:34, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Why use seven banners when one will do? PC78 (talk) 02:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Territorialism. Though Ice Cream, Soft Drinks (with the Coffee and Tea TF) and Mixed Drinks (with the Bartending TF) should be demoted to task force status as they are pretty much inactive. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

If they're inactive, that seems like all the more reason to consoliate banners. PC78 (talk) 12:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

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