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Smaller with bigger letters!--Alexignatiou 21:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Where did 'Birds of a Feather' come from? Are there any sources validating this? RMS Oceanic 09:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new section

should this template be exclusively for theatrically released Pixar films? Should the DVD-exclusive shorts (Mike's New Car, Mater and the Ghostlight, etc) be removed or seperated out into their own section? My opinion is they should be removed and this should be strictly theatrically released films. SpikeJones 00:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I think it's handy to have all of Pixar's films summarized as it is. This said, I think the DVD exclusives could comprise a third part of this template. RMS Oceanic 08:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Section for Pixar People?

I see templates like those for Disney and Apple have a section highlighting relevant people to the respective companies. Would it be viable to do something similar for this template, adding John Lasseter, Ed Catmull, Brad Bird, Joe Ranft and so on? RMS Oceanic 00:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I can certainly see why individual pages for the principles makes sense, but not for the two most recently added items to the template, Peter Sohn and Joe Romano. I don't see where every single Pixar animator needs to have their own individual page (at this time, perhaps later) -- should they be on a single "Pixar Animators" page instead until there is enough info to break them out separately?SpikeJones 20:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Correct. I propose we restrict the list to the following people: John Lasseter, Joe Ranft, Brad Bird, Andrew Stanton, Pete Docter, Lee Unkrich, Steve Jobs and Ed Catmull. I'm not adverse to other employees getting their own page, but I don't think they should be on this template. RMS Oceanic 07:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

So aside from removing the animators from the template, what do you propose is a good idea for handling their individual pages currently?SpikeJones 13:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

How about making a list of animators and linking the list from the template under "people" or "see also"? --Butseriouslyfolks 17:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I oppose to the list of animators how about a list of notable Pixar employees. There are many animators (per film) so i dont see how tht is possible. The page could have directors, ceo types, animators, notable voice actors, storyboard articts, notable dead employees, short film directors, producers etc. Martini833 00:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SProtect

I've ~~SProtected~~ not SProtected this template for now because it has been a persistent vandalism target of late. --Butseriouslyfolks 23:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Animators

I deleted two people from the "people" section. they were two animators who voiced some characters from Pixar films but werent notable enough to be on the list. I did leave Glenn McQueen because he was a lead animator (but he is dead) so should he still be there? I also added Darla K anderson and grouped them in order of importance first John Lasseter the Ed Catmull then Steve Jobs then the directors in order of their films (pete docter m. i. andrew standon f. n. ...) and then co director lee unckrich and producer darla k anderson tehn jan pinkava then jonh ratzenberger and joe ranft then glenn mcqueen. Martini833 22:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template Guidelines

I have decided to step in and clean up the mess in the people section of the pixar template. I decided that animators storyboard artists voice actors etc. shouldnt be there but that they should be isted somwhere else (such as in Category:pixar). The only notable "people" should be john lasseter ed catmull steve jobs and directors and multiple time co directors of the FEATURE films and jhon ratzenberger (because he is named Pixars lucky charm). The producers were taken out because there were too many and glenn mcqueen and joe ranft are both dead so they shuld be added to another list. It was hard to take bud luckey out because he was a long time character designer but it would break the guidlines. Another guidline i would like to set is that someone in the list should have been working at Pixar for a good amount of time. Anyone want to oppose propose or agree? Martini833 20:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I propose the potentially unpopular stance of removing Ratz from the Pixar template as he is not a driving force in the creation of Pixar or the day-to-day operations of the Pixar corporate machine. He may have been called "Pixar's good luck charm", but his roles have been getting smaller and smaller with each subsequent feature. Also, keep in mind that using your logic, as soon as any of the listed people die, they will also need to be removed from the template. SpikeJones 20:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of notable Pixar staff

I oppose to the list of animators how about a list of notable Pixar employees. There are 700 animators (per film) so i dont see how tht is possible. The page could have directors, ceo types, animators, notable voice actors, storyboard articts, notable dead employees, short film directors, producers etc. Martini833 00:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Carter of Mars

The linked WP article explicitly says that this is not a Pixar production. If it is, then fix that article (with proper WP-allowed citations) first before re-adding JCoM here. SpikeJones 01:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

agreed and still vaild jj 17:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this should be included now as it has been confirmed to be a Pixar film BenW (talk) 22:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Houston, we have a template problem...

Is it just me, or are the two separate Pixar templates that are fighting for recognition here? I have Template:Pixar Animation Studios on one side, with the associated Template talk:Pixar Animation Studios page. And then over here, I have Template:Pixar films and it's associated talk page being redirected over to Template talk:Pixar Animation Studios. Something tells me that somebody either duplicated effort, or somebody did the move incorrectly. Looks like we need to determine which is supposed to be which and eliminate one of them. Cross-posting this over on Talk:Pixar. SpikeJones 03:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Since nobody has commented here, then I propose deleting the Template:Pixar films page. Any objections? SpikeJones 02:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete Pixar Films because it has people and change the redirect thing when you try to edit because i want to edit some of the people who a long time ago we decided shouldnt be there. We had a criteria J. lasseter Jobs and catmull and the directors and thats it glenn mcqueen and joe ranft are dead so they aent notable as current people could someone fix that?? Martini833 18:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Pixar films

Template:Pixar films has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — SpikeJones 02:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just a reminder, citations please

That ALL new Pixar films that people would like to have included in the template can only be included after a non-blog, reputable 3rd party WP-approved source has confirmed this information. See WP:NOT a crystal ball and WP:CITE for details on what constitutes valid WP sources. Until such references exist, films such as UP will be reverted from the template.SpikeJones 02:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] short films collection

does the short films collection need to be included, considering that the shorts are already listed above? SpikeJones (talk) 18:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name of template

since 1906 is confirmed to be live action, we need to change the name of this template from "Pixar Animation Studios". Suggestion? SpikeJones (talk) 15:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1906

You said "1906 is a CO PRODUCTION only FUNDED by Pixar, so it's not Pixar canon, it is Warner Bros". We agree that 1906 is a co-production between Pixar and a different company. Toy Story was a co-production between Pixar and Disney, yet it is accepted as Pixar canon. You tell me what the difference is between the two. SpikeJones (talk) 03:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Toy Story is a different... story. 1) Disney owns Pixar and it's products (characters, films), Disney does not own WB 2) Toy Story is a Disney/Pixar film like ALL the others while 1906 is a Warner Bros. film co funded by Disney/Pixar as a whole. It fits under the cat. of BL of Star Command and TAoA&WB because it's not wholly owned or produced by Disney and/or Pixar. P.S. The article says the film will be out in the winter of 2009, i believe. 70.156.165.35 (talk) 06:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll address your points one by one. (a) Disney owns Pixar. They didn't when TS was created. TS was a co-production between the two companies, and it was possible that if Pixar was purchased by a different company that Disney could have lost the rights to use the TS characters in the parks. (b) 1906 is a Warner Bros. film co funded by Disney/Pixar. Yes, this is similar to the LION/WARDROBE films being a co-production with Walden Media yet still be refered to as Disney films. As for your PS, not one article has confirmed a definitive release date for the film. They may be aiming for a specific year of release, but until a date has been announced, it remains "TBA". SpikeJones (talk) 12:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Still we know Toy Story is canon, you can't argue with that, and the bottom line is it's a Disney/Pixar production, there's no if, ands, or buts anymore. I do realize Pixar was purchased in 2006, but that is almost the same because if you look on the DVDs they are all branded Disney... Pixar (in different ways but all retaining the same meaning). Now all of them are Disney/Pixar brand no matter what while 1906 isn't, and THAT is why. And I'll use your logic, we had release dates for TS3 before it was even announce so what makes 1906 different, wikipedians ought to know it'll most likely come out winter 09 as of now.70.156.165.35 (talk) 14:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Nobody is questioning TS as being canon or not. It was created as a Disney-Pixar production, and if Pixar started partnering with other companies, it would still be listed as a Disney-Pixar production under "Feature Films" in the template. All Pixar productions are branded Disney-Pixar per the purchase agreement, regardless of who is distributing the DVDs. 1906 is a Pixar-WB production (and therefore, a Disney-Pixar/WB production), making it no different than the way the original TS was handled, as mentioned above. And "ought to know it'll most likely..." is not enough proof to definitively provide a release date. Since you seem passionate about Pixar, please register an account name and join us in maintaining (with proper citations, of course) all the other Pixar articles as well. SpikeJones (talk) 16:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright so, I don't know why you don't understand the difference between Disney/Pixar and WB/Disney/Pixar, its IS different, WB doesn't own Pixar, that's the key factor, if you go to the DreamWorks Animation template, the Aardman features are listed separately for a good reason, they are not the norm, also the traditionally animated films are listed separately. The difference is clear, not accepting it is a different story. By the way, you do realize saying that "if Pixar started partnering with other companies, it would still be listed as a Disney-Pixar production" is complete speculation, this isn't about if, it's solid facts, and IF it did happen, they would most likely have a different category, as we see in the DreamWorks template. Also when you say that nothing has been solidly confirmed about the date, you do realize the release dates of Up and Toy Story 3 are both liquid as well so "what's the difference". About getting an account, I have one but am lazy so I hate logging in, and I AM passionate about Pixar. 70.156.165.35 (talk) 01:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

After thought, I propose we keep it in related works until we get an official announcement "straight from the source" about how the production will be divided and THEn make an official decision? Sound good? 70.156.165.35 (talk) 02:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

We can make it real easy and remove ALL references to 1906 from Pixar and this page until official announcements come out that say that Pixar is doing more than co-financing the film and providing computer graphic work, if that would make you happy. I'm all for it -- your job (after you create a username and proper login, please) will be to keep all the Pixar fanboys from continuing to add it back in. SpikeJones (talk) 03:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Change of template

I went ahead and made an Upcoming Films section, similar to what Dreamworks has. I think it works better like that. If there are any objections, please list them, but I think it makes the template plenty better. -- Frightwolf (talk) 17:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John Carter of Mars & 1906

Since these two movies are the biggest issue facing this template right now, I suggest we redirect all discussion about them here. I do believe they should be added under the upcoming films list. As you can see in this video, a man who is most definitely Brad Bird states that he's working on 1906 and "staying at Pixar". I think this is good enough proof that 1906 is, definitively, a Pixar film. Here's a nice little page concerning John Carter of Mars. It doesn't specifically state that it's a Pixar film, but it is being created by Andrew Stanton and Mark Andrews, two Pixar veterans who have shown no signs of leaving Pixar as of late. These two films, while not officially, officially announced, are most definitely existent in some form and are undeniably related to Pixar, so I really think they should be part of this template. I'm going ahead and adding them to the Upcoming Films list. If someone feels they fit better in a different section, feel free to move them. --The Hams (talk) 01:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Due to the continued addition/subtraction of JCoM in the template with no solid consensus either way, I propose that the template be locked to all edits until a discussion and consensus is reached via the talk page here. SpikeJones (talk) 20:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

This template has been semi-protected due to the continued addition/deletion of the JCoM entry. Instead of continuing to delete/add it --- as there appears to be a lot of confusion surrounding its inclusion, and as Martini is now officially a Pixar fansite blogger --- we should try to settle this once and for all as to how it should be handled here. Who wants to start? SpikeJones (talk) 15:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

My feeling is Pixar might create a banner for their live action films, or just release it under the WDP/Touchstone/Miramax banners. Worth considering as a reason to exclude from this template until official details are announced in the trade papers or elsewhere. Alientraveller (talk) 17:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Removing it from the template won't stop people from adding it if they feel its missing (hence the current protection level). What we don't know is the level of involvement Pixar is going to have - is it to be treated like "Nightmare Before Christmas" is on the Disney template (aka 'see also' instead of 'official canon'... which brings up the non-sequitar for a different page as to how Dinosaur should be treated, as Disney calls it canon while others do not..... but I digress), or is it a complete side-project with minimal interaction of any kind beyond some SFX work where the Pixar name doesn't appear anywhere until the half-way through the end credits? If its merely SFX, then I would hate to see the template expanded to include (hopefully) every single title that Pixar ends up doing SFX work for. Similar to the non-existant ILM template, it would be a huge, huge monster of a template to have for no reason, because the Pixar fanboys would insist on including every miniscule SFX work onto the list as opposed to merely notable entries. SpikeJones (talk) 17:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, John Carter is in the template. But why would Stanton release this film under the Pixar banner? Pixar is now owned by the Walt Disney Company and effectively their San Francisco animation company (trying to think of a good metaphor here for Disney's level of control of Pixar, and Lasseter's over Disney animation). This headline also states Pixar will not become an effects studio, meaning they may not do the CG for Bird and Stanton's live projects. So for now, the two live action films may not be "Pixar" films, they could be "Walt Disney Pictures" or "Touchstone Pictures". I believe the "see also" route is best, to show, yes, these are live debuts from Pixar directors, but whatever resources they may draw from their "home" studio is unknown. Alientraveller (talk) 17:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Anything from Pixar is to be branded "Disney-Pixar" per the pixar purchase agreement. We know that "1906" is a Pixar-Warner Bros production, but the question is to what level is Pixar's involvement and how 1906 needs to be included. We know Stanton is working on JCoM... but have no idea if Stanton is doing it as a Pixar production or not. SpikeJones (talk) 17:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, article is unprotected, I put John Carter in the associated productions. Alientraveller (talk) 11:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template.

Sorry about the odd protection template placement, I put it in the noinclude section. · AndonicO ^Engage. 09:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cars 2 switches with newt

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/09/25/pixars-newt-gets-cars-2s-old-release-date/

I edited the template to adjust the release dates. -- Frightwolf (talk) 00:21, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk About Animation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.202.49 (talk) 20:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cars-Toons

Right so any plans for adding the announced Cars shorts that (i believe) are to debut on the Disney Channel? SWatsi (talk) 13:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Shorts Section Split

Should the split in the shorts section be Feature released vs DVD exclusive and TV exclusive rather than Original vs Based on a Film? I guess it doesn't make a difference now, but I would have throught that the idea of splitting that section would be to split the types of release and not the characters that are used?? Thoughts? SWatsi (talk) 20:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Awards lists

There are currently two Pixar films awards list: List of awards and nominations received by WALL-E and List of awards and nominations received by Ratatouille. Shouldn't there be another group for Awards, containing these two and in the future more?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

This page is for discussion of the Pixar template. I think you're looking for List of Pixar awards and nominations. Henrymrx (t·c) 21:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] John Ratzenberger

An IP added John Ratzenberger to the list of people associated with Pixar, and then another IP deleted it. Both are working in good faith, but I'm kinda siding with the editor who added him to the template. Mr. Ratzenberger is the only performer to appear in every single Pixar feature, and has been referred to as "Pixar's lucky charm" in interviews (although I'm trying to remember if he attributed this to himself or if someone at Pixar did first). However, I'm curious what other editors think too. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 02:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

However, Ratz is not a Pixar employee responsible for the creation of the Pixar product. His contributions to the films thus far aside, the template is for the creative staff/brain trust rather than naming every actor who has appeared in the films (he had barely one line in UP and other films; his appearance in the films has almost become tokenism and there have been other actors who have appeared in more than one Pixar film). This is an old discussion, with debate floating in the archives somewhere. The good luck charm comment is attributed to JohnL. SpikeJones (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing, that he's not really a Pixar employee. That said, he is part of what makes Pixar Pixar ... and while there are a number of actors who have appeared in multiple Pixar films (the bulk of the cast of the Toy Story series being the most obvious), no one else can claim an appearance, even if just one or two lines, in every feature release. Maybe he belongs in the "other" category, thus leaving "people" for Pixar employees. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 05:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

No, Ratz is not what makes Pixar Pixar. The creative brain trust and artists who create and direct the films are that. I wouldn't even put him in the "other" category. He may be known in Pixar circles as being in every film, but he is still "best known" for his work on Cheers. His inclusion in this template is a far reach.SpikeJones (talk) 15:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that's reasonable. I'll go ahead and remove it from the template then. Thanks for the input, Spike! --McDoobAU93 (talk) 16:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

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