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[edit] Examples

I guess we should discuss what cars should be listed as examples. I mean, cars in the list should not be selected spontaneous, but rather be classic examples. Also examples should come from different markets (US, Europe and Japan minimum, adding Australia and Korea when possible) to represent the worldwide picture. Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Microcar

Smart Fortwo is an ideal example, but I'm not sure about Aixam? Maybe there's an example that is better known? Maybe BMW Isetta? Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] City car

Fiat Nuova 500, Renault Twingo, VW Fox - the list looks fine, but since Fiat 500 is a halo car, may be we should use a more mainstream Toyota Aygo? Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Subcompact car

Hyundai Accent, Opel Corsa, Suzuki Swift. Nice examples, but these models are not best-sellers in the class. How about Volkswagen Polo and Ford Fiesta to represent Europe? Not sure about models from Korea and Japan, but I suspect that there are models that are more popular and have longer timeling compared to Accent and Swift. Are there any US-designed subcompacts? Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Compact car

Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Opel Astra, VW Golf. Hm, there are no doubt VW Golf should be listed - it started the whole class. Focus, Civic and Astra are pretty popular. But how come the list does not include the best-selling car in the history - Toyota Corolla? We have to replace either Civic or Astra with Corolla. I suggest replacing Astra, as we already have another German model in the list (Golf). I love Astra and even hope to have 2009 Astra Twin Top as my next car, but we cannot add or keep all the cars we like. And how about adding a native US compact? We need a model with most establish history, so I don't know what to pick. Dodge Neon, maybe? Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Large family car

Ford Mondeo, Opel Vectra, Toyota Avensis, VW Passat. Very nice list. The only problem it does not lists models from US. Are listed models popular enoug in US? Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Compact executive car

Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, Mercedes C-Class. Ideal list. Germans have almost monopolized luxury segment, so adding Alfas or Caddys would be fanboyish. Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Full-size car

Chrysler 300, Holden Commodore. The problem is Chrysler is a premium (and some even say luxury) brand. How about replaсicng Chrysler 300 with classic Impala or Caprice? Don't know what to pick. Affordable full-size car is American phenomen, but one notable European example, Opel Omega, should be included as well. Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mid-size luxury car

Audi A6, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes E-Class. Ideal list. Germans have almost monopolized luxury segment, so adding Alfas or Caddys would be fanboyish. Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Luxury car

Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Mercedes S-Class. Ideal list. Germans have almost monopolized luxury segment, so adding Alfas or Caddys would be fanboyish. Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mini SUV

Daihatsu Terios, Mitsubishi Pajero iO , Suzuki SX4. Suzuki is notable for their mini SUVs, but SX4 is a crossover, not a SUV. How about listing Suzuki Jimny instead? The poblem here is all models are Japanese. Do other countries produce notable Mini SUVs? Maybe, Jeep Wrangler? Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Compact SUV

Audi Q5, Honda CR-V, BMW X3, Ford Kuga, VW Tiguan. Too many examples, too few notable ones. Audi Q5 is not even on sale yet, not to mention a fact its only purpose is providing an alternative to BMW x3. The same is true for Ford Kuga. How about adding morepopular and established models such as Toyota RAV4 and Ford Explorer? Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mid-size SUV

BMW X5, Jeep Grand Cherokee, VW Touareg. Well, really nice list. Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Full-size SUV

Audi Q7, Cadillac Escalade, Chevrolet Suburban. Hmm. :-/ Why doesn't the list include Range Rover and Land Cruiser, while listing Audi Q7 which is actually an unibody crossover? Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coupé Minivan

I believe Coupé Minivan section should be deleted. See, Coupé Minivan is not a part of size classification. Coupé Minivan is not even a recognised body style. A single model is not enough to form a class that can be listed here. Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crossovers

Crossovers are different from SUVs. If US or EU vehicle control organizations distinguish between two, we got to add crossovers separately. Netrat (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template usage

This should be a useful, noteworthy template, but at the moment it is a piece of guesswork. Car classification needs sorting out before this is pasted everywhere, and by sorting out, I mean it needs to be encyclopaedic with references to show who says that one car fits one category and not another and that something like A-segment exists as a defined term. At the moment things like Compact executive car are unsourced, opinionated articles that some editor or other has made up. Fine as long as you also include categories like Ugly cars, Nice cars or Big cars in your template. Not fine if you want to build an accurate cross-referenced template. At the moment I think this template easily satisfies points 1 and 4 at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion, but it could be such a useful template that I think it deserves a chance to improve. Mighty Antar (talk) 23:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Sources are easy to find. For example, here are few for Compact executive car: [1], [2]. For all other terms: [3]. For segments, my immediate link would be [4], but there are a lot of other sources. Interestingly, yopu didn't challenge American classification, but only European one. Anyway, I'm sure you should ask for sources in the articles' discussion, not the template that summarizes these articles. Footnotes would make template messy. Netrat (talk) 10:49, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

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