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1 (discussion on title Zurich vs. Zürich)

1 Cleanup
- 1.1 Links to English or German website-versions?
- 1.2 Pronunciation
2 Clarification on the number of German citizens
3 Bot report : Found duplicate references !
4 Zurich or Zürich?
5 New Stadtpräsident
6 Not a National Capital
7 Zürcher
8 "Most livable city"
9 Way too much useless statistics in introduction

[edit] Cleanup

ok, the "sights" and "clubbing" sections need to go. Wikipedia isn't a tourist guide. Rewrite as prose summary, export to Zurich nightlife (and see if it's deleted as spam), or just delete. dab (&#55304;&#56435;) 20:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Please don't remove it, I just came to this page to find that information. It's called "culture" and is worth mentioning in an encyclopedia.

I just looked everywhere and couldn't find where it said the main languages of the city. If it has been written, I don't think it's very apparent Canking 19:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

according to 2000 statistics, first languages are distributed as follows: German 84.8% (Swiss German: 65.1%, non-Swiss German speakers 12.6%), Italian 4.7%, South Slavic 2.4%, Spanish 2.2%, French 2.1%, English 1.8%, Portuguese 1.6%, Albanian 1.5%, Turkish 0.9%. dab (&#55304;&#56435;) 12:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links to English or German website-versions?

Several times I stumbled upon links to the German version of a website although they have an English version as well (e.g. Theater Spektakel, Official Website of Zurich). In my opinion the English Versions should be preferred because this site's language is English and the information linked to will be comprehensible for everybody visiting this Wikipedia-article. Or should the possibility be given to link to both the German and the English version because the German version of a website (e.g. the above mentioned) usually contains more detailed information than the English one? Jack-72 (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Why are all of the variants of the city's name in the beginning of the article accompanied by their respective pronuntiations, but for the english one?? This is rather annoying. Can anyone add the English pronunciation, whatever it is?

See approximately six inches up the page. There are at least three ways I might pronounce it in English, depending on my mood. 62.136.137.152 15:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Which page? I can't find anything about this either in the discussion page or in the main article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.141.25.253 (talk) 00:49, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

we usually do not give pronunciation information for English because readers of the English language encyclopedia are expected to know English. In the case of proper names, of course, pronunciation information may be given in ambiguous cases, but you will need to provide a source for the information you add. dab (𒁳) 13:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but one can know English without knowing how to pronounce proper names like this. Dictionaries don't contain this information usually, so unless one has heard it prononuced how can you know the correct way, even if you know English? And this is indeed an ambiguous case. For example, is the first Z pronounced as in zebra? And is the final "ch" pronounced as in "chair" or is it a k sound? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.218.51.9 (talk) 00:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

For almost all English speakers, Zurich rhymes with Munich. Similarly for French, Spanish and many other languages, though the rhymes vary.

--Rumping (talk) 00:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course I would have guessed it rhymes with Munich, but the question remains of how Munich is pronounced. Is it ending with a 'ch' (as in 'chair') or a 'k' (as in 'cat') sound? And is the first 'Z' of Zurich a voiced 's' as in 'zebra'? Or is it a 'ts' sound (like in German) or a 'th' sound (like in Spanish)? From what I've heard it seems that it is pronounced like /zurik/, but my point is that there's no way to find this out unless you hear it (which isn't reliable anyway), and it's a bit inconsistent to have the pronunciation in other languages but not in English. Someone said that this isn't necessary because readers are expected to know English, but the fact is that one can be proficient in English and yet don't know how to pronounce proper names like Zurich, since this information is hard to find. Wicktionary doesn't contain it either. By the way, I don't think Zurich would be pronounced in English the same way as in Spanish; in Spanish you would say 'thurich', with a soft 'th' sound (as in 'think') and ending in 'ch' (as in 'chair').

Forget about the last post, I've noticed the English pronunciation has been finally added, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.115.50 (talk) 18:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification on the number of German citizens

While reading the article I found this part ambigous:

30.6% of the registered inhabitants of Zürich do not hold Swiss citizenship, which is 115,379 people.[9] German citizens make up the largest group of foreigners in the city with 22.0%, followed by immigrants from Kosovo, Albania, Italy.

Is 22% from the total population or 22% of the foreigners?

Thanks, nyenyec ☎ 17:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the source (and using my somewhat rudimentary German) it is 22% of the foreigners. I've clarified this in the article. the wub "?!" 23:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

"mercer" :
- {{cite web | url=http://www.mercerhr.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1173105 | title=Worldwide Quality of Living Survey | accessdate=2007-07-17}}
- {{cite web | url=http://www.mercerhr.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1173105 | title=Worldwide Quality of Living Survey | accessdate=2006-12-11}}

DumZiBoT (talk) 06:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the notice. :) the wub "?!" 10:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Zurich or Zürich?

In English, is the city written with or without the u-umlaut? My spellchecker prefers it without the umlaut, but the article uses it with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.143.18.23 (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC) Yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.75.129.183 (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Both are in use in respectable publications. Read the talk archive for details. --dab (𒁳) 20:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Stadtpräsident

The Mayor seat is vacant right now. There are two ladies competing for it, Kathrin Martelli and Corine Mauch.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/news_digest/Zweiter_Wahlgang_fuer_Stadtpraesidium_Zuerich.html?siteSect=104&sid=10303235&cKey=1234109728000&ty=nd

Nomajeen (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Not a National Capital

This has to be a national capital to be on the "top" list. Not even Los Angeles or Istanbul are there! Here is the list: National Capitals Wallie (talk) 14:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Zürcher

Is this really pronounced with a full [e] and trilled [r]s? (Just checking.) kwami (talk) 22:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

not necessarily. The IPA is just a phonological transcription, not a narrow phonetic one. --dab (𒁳) 12:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Most livable city"

The article said Zurich was the most livable city from 2006-2009 but the reference states that in 2009 it was not the most livable city. I changed it to say 2006-2008.Air.light (talk) 20:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Way too much useless statistics in introduction

The introduction should provide a quick overview and also contain the language, the history, the location, the climate, in a very short form... Some statistics can be mentioned like "belongs to the most livable, wealthiest and most expensive cities of the world" but saying

Zürich is also ranked the sixth most expensive city in the world. In 2008, Zürich was ranked ninth. The city ranked behind Hong Kong and ahead of Copenhagen. It is the third most expensive city in Europe and second most expensive city in Switzerland after Geneva.

is definitely too detailed (and useless) information in the introduction. This might be mentioned later on. However, since these "rankings" differ from study to study and year to year we should not provide absolute numbers here that refer to a particular subjective evaluation of a particular year, in which Zurich is now 0.1% better or worse than some other city. Zurich has a 2000 years history, provide stable information! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.74.106.187 (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

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