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[edit] YogiismsWould anyone look here first (for "Yogiisms"?) Otherwise it should be moved to the Yogi Berra page itself, shouldn't it? --User:justfred an (apocryphal) sign outside the hippy- counterculture Oregon Country Fair shows Jerry Garcia with a line drawn even with the top of his head. It's captioned, "You must be this high to enter." [1] --Ed Poor Maybe it should be mergered..on the other hand with al, due resopect to Ed Poor, what the heck dos the Jerry Garcia thing have to do with this article? Antonio Cover Girl Martin It is funny when Yogi says these things. It is scary when President Bush says things like them. Kingturtle 05:14 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
There are a lot of quotes official by the Yogi Book, comented by himself, you don't allow in the page. Ok, put a subsection of quotes attributed to him. [edit] Simpleton"Berra was often portayed as a simpleton". Who portrayed Berra as a simpleton ? Jay 07:35, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
[edit] QuotesShoudn't most of the quotes be moved to Wikiquote? Ausir 00:23, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
Why did he say them? Was he stupid or just funny? lysdexia 10:12, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Yogi Berra quote or Bob Hope quoteHis wife Carmen asked where he would like to be buried, and he said "Surprise me!" This is also on Bob Hope's page. Did they both say it?
[edit] All Over AgainIn Yogi Berra's autobiography he claims he never said some of the quotes attributed to him, including the infamous "it's like deja vu all over again". Untrue. The Yogi Book, by himself carries that quote. More corrections. The Yogi Book describes the origin of "You can observe a lot..." in a different situation. The quotes about check made to "Bearer" and "that hot yourself", are not given verbatim. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deep Atlantic Blue (talk • contribs) 08:00, August 20, 2007 (UTC). "You can observe a lot" has different origins in the Yogi Berra Book and in If You Come To a Fork in The Road, both written in the first person. Those of us that love Yogiisms would like to see a list as complete as possible and not just examples. "We made too many wrong mistakes", "You don't look too hot...", "I didn't say...", etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deep Atlantic Blue (talk • contribs) 15:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC) [edit] Bush photoIs there any reason that the photo of Yogi with George Bush is on this page? Bush is clearly the eye-grabber in that photo and Yogi is looking away from the camera. Surely we should replace this photo with another that features Yogi more prominently. Phiwum 02:02, 1 September 2005 (UTC) [edit] SimilaritiesIt's actually kind of funny to read that a famous former player like Yogi Berra is known for his "yogiisms". In Holland there is an almoust identical situation, former football (soccer) star Johan Cruyff is well-known for his "Cruyffisms", wich are very similar. 1) Journalist: "I don't understand what you're saying, Johan." Cruyff: "If I wanted you to understand I would have made myself clearer." 2) "I am hardly ever wrong, because in practice I find it really hard to make mistakes." 3) "Before I make a mistake, I don't make it."
[edit] StuffCan somebody specify? Yogi's credited with most World Series games by a catcher. How many? He played in 14 series for a total of 75 games. Also, about the lawsuit: shut up. It was a commercial. About "Sex in the City". How serious can it be? Trekphiler 01:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC) [edit] On purposeDoes anybody know if Yogi ever said a Yogiism on purpose? (Those scripted for advertisements and such don't count.) - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC) [edit] Mulla NasrudinYogi Berra is a prime candidate for the contemporary American version of the Middle Eastern joke figure Mulla Nasrudin, who may not have physically existed, but who is the center of a corpus of jokes that was also used for Sufi spiritual training. Some of them have become common jokes in the West as well, and they all have deeper content than simply jokes.
A watchman asked: 'Why are you out this late?' 'I've lost my sleep and I'm searching for it.'
'Good thing I wasn't riding it when it vanished or I'd have gone missing, too!'
[edit] Yogi BearDoes this article really need to mention *three times* that Yogi Bear was named after him? Once while playing golf he teared his pants. He was using Yogi Bear undershorts. Well-documented. [edit] Yogi-ismsHow about some information on Yogi-isms? I don't mean a list of quotes, but just some information about the fact that, aside from baseball, he's also known for these sayings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.129.30 (talk) 12:23, 16 March 2006 Berra, who quit school at age fifteen, is also quite famous for his tendency toward malapropism and fracturing the English language in highly provocative, interesting ways, even though---by his own malapropping admission---"I never said half the things I really said" Is this right, or is it (as at Yogiisms) "I never really said half the things I said"? Flapdragon 13:07, 18 March 2006 (UTC) The quote verbatim is "I didn't say everything I said." -Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 23:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC) [edit] Funny or just dumb?Lysdexia mentioned this above with no reply: did Berra intentionally utter these malapropisms or did he, like George W. Bush, have no idea that what he said was funny? If anyone can give me an answer, I think it should be included in the article.
[edit] Team player?Regarding this comment: (does anybody really beleive that yogi was the single greatest team player in the history of team sports. ?? Cause Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky and Joe Montana all say hello.) The New York Yankees, of which Yogi was an important member, won a large number of World Series. There is little doubt that Yogi's performance in a crucial position was a big factor in the team's success, the numbers speak for themselves. His were big performances under big pressure for a long period of time. Also he had a long run in the team, if he was not worth it they would have found somebody else. To say he was the greatest team sportsman of all time is a little fanciful, it is a daft concept anyway, but Yogi has as strong a claim as anybody. Then again, he was a top manager too, different contribution to the team, same outcome. Guy 15:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Says baseball authority Bill James (in The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract, p. 505) "Yogi was the only catcher in baseball history who could catch 145 games a year, hit cleanup, and never have an injury or a bad season." Given the importance of the catcher to the defense and the fact that Yogi routinely batted .290-.300 with 30-40 homers and 100 RBI, he was a pretty good starting point for building a great team. WHPratt (talk) 02:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC)WHPratt [edit] Background on Yogi-George feudI noted yesterday that Larsen's perfect game was recreated on Yogi Berra day, and celebrated Yogi's return the stadium. Is it worth noting the reason for the feud with Steinbrenner? (He was p*%#^d about being fired 16 games into the season in 1985, after being told he would be the manager for the entire season. Or perhaps this should be an external link? Here's one account from Everything2 ... 3rd to last graph.: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=157373 I have corrected information I previously posted regarding Yogi Berra Day; it was not the first perfect game since Larsen's, as David Wells pitched one the year before. Also added the background on Steinbrenner-Yogi feud. That may be removed if it detracts from the flow the article. --Drstrnglv64 22:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC) bit much to call Larsen's perfect game the most notable feat of 3-time MVP Yogi's career, so I switched it to "day."
[edit] Threw / throws?the mans not dead yet and he does still throw right (he throws at least one opening pitch a year) so shouldn't the artcle say throws and not threw? I can understand saying batted and not bats but I am willing to bet he play catch with his grand kids. --SelfStudyBuddy 08:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC) [edit] Encyclopedic commentI received a comment on my User Page concerning "quote lists." The quotes by Berra were authentic, from various books which I have now, and some were from Baseball Digest magazine, circa 1963-64. I'm not sure what you mean by "encyclopedic content," but I will cite the book or Baseball Digest if that's what you wanted... [edit] Encyclopedic comment--erratumPardon me--I should have added my colophon to that last item. Dougie monty 09:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC) [edit] Biography label?I don't see a date of death. If he is still living, shouldn't there be statement that the article must conform to the policy regarding living persons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.197.12 (talk) 00:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC) [edit] I removed the two AFLAC commercial quotesI removed the two AFLAC commercial "quotes," which are obviously not Yogiisms -- the second one definitely not. If more quotes are desired for that section, get them from the Wikiquote list linked in that section. Softlavender (talk) 04:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC) [edit] More referencesI added the "refimprove" tag. I just don't think 3 references are enough for a player who apparently deserves so much mentioning in the history of baseball. We should do this article justice. Keith Galveston (talk) 14:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Accuracy of WikiThe examples of Yogiisms, two years later, still are unreliable, containing several errors. As I reference Wiki very frequently, it pains me to see the lack of accuracy permitted here. Two years ago, I tried to get it better, but my contribution, even at the time, was deleted. Just going through the listed book "The Yogi Book: I didn't say everything I said" would remove most of the errors. - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 00:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] A list of accurate quotes (mostly from the Yogi Book)In what follows TYB refers to ISBN 0-7611-1090-9; (April 1998) The Yogi Book: 'I Really Didn't Say Everything I Said'. - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 23:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC) "Thank you for making this day necessary." TYB p 10 "You can't hit and think at the same time." TYB p 13 "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." TYB p 16 "The only reason I need these gloves is 'cause of my hands." TYB p 20 When asked the time, Yogi replied: "You mean now?" TYB p 33 "If you ask me a question I don't know, I'm not going to answer." TYB p 38 "Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel." TYB p 47 "If I didn't wake up I'd still be sleeping." TYB p 60 "If you can't imitate him, don't copy him." TYB p 63 "I'm as red as a sheet." TYB p 77 In the book there are other quotes, I didn't use. - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 23:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC) “When you come to a fork in the road, take it.” giving instructions over the phone to his friend Joe Garagiola on how to reach his house. The route had a fork but both ways led to Yogi’s. TYB p 48 “You can observe a lot by watching.” yelled to players in the dugout annoyingly not paying attention to the game TYB p 95. In a different book, Yogi says he gave that answer to reporters when asked if he could coach. Asked by the press what makes good managers, he replied “Good players.” TYB p 14 “You don’t look so hot yourself.” at a ceremony when the New York Mayor’s wife told him he looked cool. TYB p 54 “Don’t get me right, I’m just asking!” negotiating a new contract with the Yankees. TYB p 92 “It was hard to have a conversation with anyone, there were too many people talking.” explaining why he had been mostly silent during a White House dinner. TYB p 42 “We’re lost, but we’re making good time.” on a trip to Cooperstown with his wife and kids. TYB p 51 “Always go to other people’s funerals, otherwise they won’t go to yours.” TYB p 73 “Steve McQueen looks good in this movie. He must have made it before he died.” while half asleep, watching Papillon. TYB p 74 “Never answer an anonymous letter.” TYB p 93 “I really liked it. Even the music was good.” after seeing the opera Tosca, when his wife asked what he thought. TYB p 79 “I wish I had an answer to that, because I’m tired of answering that question.” when given a hard time by the press. TYB p 83 “Nah, I had to get up to answer the phone anyway.” on the phone, when a Yankee public relations apologized for calling very early, and asking if he had awaken Yogi. TYB p 85 After a radio show in St. Louis, Yogi was paid with a check made out to ‘Pay to Bearer’. Looking at it, he angrily says “You’ve known me all this time and you still can’t spell my name.” TYB p 89 “Pair up in threes.” to the players in Spring training. TYB p 88 “Wow, Yogi! What a beautiful mansion you’ve got here!” said to Yogi, his friend Phil Rizzuto visiting Yogi’s new house. Answered Yogi “What do you mean, Phil? It’s nothing but a bunch of rooms.” TYB p 57 In the Spring choosing fitting sizes in apparel someone asks “What size cap do you want, Yogi?” to which he replies “I don’t know. I’m not in shape yet.” TYB p 107 “Yogi, you’re ugly,” someone told him. “So? I don’t hit with my face.” TYB p 112 “Slump? I ain’t in no slump… I just ain’t hitting.” TYB p 41 Asked if Don Mattingly had exceeded his own expectations, Yogi reply was “I’d say he’s done more than that.” TYB p 98 “I knew the record would stand until it was broken.” in a congratulatory telegram to a fellow player who had broken a record held by Yogi. TYB p 91 “It’s déjà vu all over again.” when Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris were delivering home run after home run. TYB p 30 “We made too many wrong mistakes.” after losing the 1960 World Series. TYB p 34 “It ain’t over till it’s over.” when the Mets in 1973 were nine games out of first place. The team rebounded and won the division. TYB p 121 “You’ve got to be careful if you don’t know where you’re going ‘cause you might not get there!” TYB p 102 “The future ain’t what it used to be.” TYB p 118/119. Sometimes this quote appears with “nostalgia” instead of “future”, but it is a modification. “A nickel ain’t worth a dime anymore.” TYB p 19, a statement easily understood by anyone considering cost of living and monthly budget. “Little League baseball is a good thing ‘cause it keeps the parents off the streets and the kids out of the house.” TYB p 116/117 “We were overwhelming underdogs.” when reminiscing about the 1969 Amazing Mets. TYB p 24 “The other team could make trouble for us if they win.” TYB p 26/27 Logically, if they lose that’s not a problem. “If people don’t want to come to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?” when ticket sales were in a slump. TYB p 36 “I’d see if I could find the guy that lost it, and if he was poor, I’d give it back.” when asked by a reporter what he would do if he found a million dollars. TYB p 59 “I usually take a two-hour nap from 1 to 4.” TYB p 61 “90% of the game is half mental.” TYB p 69 When his elementary school teacher told him “you know nothing, don’t you?” Yogi replied, “I don’t even suspect anything.” This probably was attributed to him by Garangiola. When asked if he wanted the pizza cut in four or eight slices, the reply was “Four. I don’t think I can eat eight.” TYB p 80 This is probably an attribution though quoted in "The Yogi Book". Today it is told as a blondes joke. “In theory, theory and practice are the same; in practice they differ. ” attributed to him, but the origin is in doubt. “I really didn’t say everything I said.” When questioned if the many quotes attributed to him, were really his. TYB p 9 “If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.” TYB p 52 Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 21:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC) All quotes and respective origin accounted for except two. - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 23:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Another AutobiographyCirca 1962, titled YOGI: THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER. I got a copy as a kid. Co-author was, I think, Ed Fitzgerald. WHPratt (talk) 02:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)WHPratt One chapter of this was reprinted in SPORT magazine. I believe that in the book, he was already dismissing ersatz yogiisms, including one wherein, on the street, he bumps into a man carrying a grandfather clock and says, "For Pete's sake, why can't you just wear a wrist watch like everybody else?" WHPratt (talk) 14:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)WHPratt
I've been meaning to get back to this, though I did feel a bit dispirited by the changes in the actual page. The list should be transferred to "Quotes" of course, perhaps with a category "In all likelihood from jokes" added to it. WHPratt do you think you could do a rundown of quotes from the book you own, like Baseball Bugs did below? I would then integrate them into the list (when I can come around to this). Thx. Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 18:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Another bookI have a 1974 book by Phil Pepe, The Wit and Wisdom of Yogi Berra (Belmont Tower Books, ISBN 0-505-51141-X-150), which is more than a joke book, it's a biography with some stories interlaced. I'm looking through it and will add any interesting ones as I come across them.
Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Clean Slate for Yogiisms Verified and with Qualifications(please do not edit before discussing in next section) [edit] SourcesTYB ISBN 0-7611-1090-9; (April 1998) The Yogi Book: 'I Really Didn't Say Everything I Said' by Yogi Berra WYC ISBN 0-7868-6775-2; (May 2001) When You Come to a Fork in the Road, Take It! Inspiration and Wisdom from One of Baseball's Greatest Heroes, co-authored with Dave Kaplan. PPWW Phil Pepe, The Wit and Wisdom of Yogi Berra (Belmont Tower Books, ISBN 0-505-51141-X-150) SHSY “So Hank says to Yogi… The best baseball stories ever told” by Kevin Nelson; Chamberlain Bros 2005 ISBN 1-59609-014-6 [edit] Verified Yogiisms with Qualifications1 At a dinner in his honor on The Hill in St Louis "Thank you for making this day necessary." TYB p 10 2 In 1946 when playing with the Newark Bears, and being struck out in three pitches: "You can't hit and think at the same time." TYB p 13 3 About the trendy Ruggeri’s restaurant in 1959 St Louis: "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." TYB p 16 4 "The only reason I need these gloves is 'cause of my hands." After an argument with his wife about gardening. TYB p 20 5 When asked the time, Yogi replied: "You mean now?" TYB p 33 6 "If you ask me a question I don't know, I'm not going to answer." TYB p 38 7 "Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel." TYB p 47 8 "If I didn't wake up I'd still be sleeping." TYB p 60 Possibly influenced by a 1964 Cosby joke. 9 "If you can't imitate him, don't copy him." To Ron Swoboda for trying to crowd the plate like Frank Robinson did. TYB p 63 10 "I'm as red as a sheet." For failing his lines in a Touch of Mink with Cary Grant and Doris Day TYB p 77 11 “When you come to a fork in the road, take it.” giving instructions over the phone to his friend Joe Garagiola on how to reach his house. The route had a fork but both ways led to Yogi’s. TYB p 48 12 “You can observe a lot by watching.” yelled to players in the dugout annoyingly not paying attention to the game TYB p 95. In a different book, Yogi says he gave that answer to reporters when asked if he could coach. 13 Asked by the press what makes good managers, he replied “Good players.” TYB p 14 14 “You don’t look so hot yourself.” at a reception when the wife of New York Mayor John Vliet Lindsay, told him he looked cool. TYB p 54 15 “Don’t get me right, I’m just asking!” negotiating a new contract with the Yankees. TYB p 92 16 “It was hard to have a conversation with anyone, there were too many people talking.” explaining why he had been mostly silent during a White House dinner. TYB p 42 17 “We’re lost, but we’re making good time.” on a trip to Cooperstown with his wife and kids. TYB p 51 18 “Always go to other people’s funerals, otherwise they won’t go to yours.” TYB p 73 19 “Steve McQueen looks good in this movie. He must have made it before he died.” while half asleep, watching Papillon. TYB p 74 20 “Never answer an anonymous letter.” TYB p 93 21 “I really liked it. Even the music was good.” after seeing the opera Tosca, when his wife asked what he thought. TYB p 79 22 “I wish I had an answer to that, because I’m tired of answering that question.” when given a hard time by the press. TYB p 83 23 “Nah, I had to get up to answer the phone anyway.” on the phone, when a Yankee public relations apologized for calling very early, and asking if he had awaken Yogi. TYB p 85 Possibly inspired by a 1964 Cosby joke. 24 After a radio show in St. Louis, Yogi was paid with a check made out to ‘Pay to Bearer’. Looking at it, he angrily says “You’ve known me all this time and you still can’t spell my name.” TYB p 89 25 “Pair up in threes.” to the players in Spring training. TYB p 88 26 “Wow, Yogi! What a beautiful mansion you’ve got here!” said to Yogi, his friend Phil Rizzuto visiting Yogi’s new house in Montclair, NJ. Answered Yogi “What do you mean, Phil? It’s nothing but a bunch of rooms.” Recounted by Phil Rizzuto. TYB p 57 27 In the Spring choosing fitting sizes in apparel someone asks “What size cap do you want, Yogi?” to which he replies “I don’t know. I’m not in shape yet.” TYB p 107 28 “Yogi, you’re ugly,” someone told him. “So? I don’t hit with my face.” TYB p 112 29 “Slump? I ain’t in no slump… I just ain’t hitting.” TYB p 41 30 Asked if Don Mattingly had exceeded his own expectations, Yogi reply was “I’d say he’s done more than that.” TYB p 98 31 “I knew the record would stand until it was broken.” in a congratulatory telegram to a fellow player who had broken a record held by Yogi. TYB p 91 32 “It’s déjà vu all over again.” when Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris were delivering home run after home run. TYB p 30 33 “We made too many wrong mistakes.” after losing the 1960 World Series. TYB p 34 34 “It ain’t over till it’s over.” when the Mets in 1973 were nine games out of first place. The team rebounded and won the division. TYB p 121 35 “You’ve got to be careful if you don’t know where you’re going ‘cause you might not get there!” TYB p 102 36 “The future ain’t what it used to be.” TYB p 118/119. Sometimes this quote appears with “nostalgia” instead of “future”, but it is a modification. 37 “A nickel ain’t worth a dime anymore.” TYB p 19, a statement easily understood by anyone considering cost of living and monthly budget. 38 “Little League baseball is a good thing ‘cause it keeps the parents off the streets and the kids out of the house.” TYB p 116/117 39 “We were overwhelming underdogs.” when reminiscing about the 1969 Amazing Mets. TYB p 24 40 “The other team could make trouble for us if they win.” TYB p 26/27 Logically, if they lose that’s not a problem. 41 “If people don’t want to come to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?” when ticket sales were in a slump. TYB p 36 42 “I’d see if I could find the guy that lost it, and if he was poor, I’d give it back.” when asked by a reporter what he would do if he found a million dollars. TYB p 59 This is probably an old joke as it is an unlikely question to ask to a baseball player or manager. Or it can have occurred in casual conversation, recounted with an appropriate but false setting. 43 “I usually take a two-hour nap from 1 to 4.” TYB p 61 44 “90% of the game is half mental.” TYB p 69 45 When asked if he wanted the pizza cut in four or eight slices, the reply was “Four. I don’t think I can eat eight.” TYB p 80 This is probably an attribution though quoted in "The Yogi Book". Today it is told as a blondes joke. 46 “I really didn’t say everything I said.” When questioned if the many quotes attributed to him, were really his. TYB p 9 47 “If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.” TYB p 52 Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 01:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC) [edit] Yogiisms still unaccounted forA. When his elementary school teacher told him “you know nothing, don’t you?” Yogi replied, “I don’t even suspect anything.” This probably was attributed to him by Garagiola. B. “In theory, theory and practice are the same; in practice they differ. ” generally attributed to him, but the origin is widely disputed as “theory”and “differ” do not seem to be words of common usage. C "It's tough making predictions, especially about the future". This actually belongs to Storm P. D "It's not the heat, it's the humility." E On the Yankees leaving Yankee Stadium for the final game: "I'm sad to see it go. I really do.” F When asked about his relationship with George Steinbrenner, he responded: "We agree different.”
Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 01:27, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Joe Gariagola told one on the Johnny Carson show. In it, Yogi (a sixth-grade dropout) complains about his kids asking school questions he can't answer. Joe suggests "Why don't you get them an encyclopedia?" Yogi replies "Listen: I walked to school, so can they!" This may have made sense in the days when "velocipede" was another term for "bicycle," though it pretty much fails today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WHPratt (talk • contribs) 14:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC) I recall one more. Allegedly, Yogi spots Jimmy Dorsey in a restaurant. He says to his guest seated opposite something like "Don't look, but there's someone famous right behind you. You know those bandleader brothers -- one of 'em is dead? I think that's the one who's still alive." WHPratt (talk) 03:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC) [edit] Progress LogSetup of Clean Slate - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 23:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC) TYB The Yogi Book verification rundown. - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Examples of Yogiisms from the current Yogi page reviewed. - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 01:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC) [edit] Discussion of Clean SlateI have several comments about the PPWW book. Please give me some time. - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 23:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC) The rundown of WikiQuotes on Yogi will be harder than anticipated. The biggest problem is that none of the quotes comes with a source. - I'm done for today! - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 01:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC) I left the work unfinished for a few days and the quotes were edited. Is it any use to try to get everything right before moving the final text to the page? At least an acknowledgement of the editing should have been done here. It's called collaborating. I wonder if it's any use to work on this if everyone pushes its own way. - Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 23:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Rundown of the examples in Yogi pageSome of the DONE quotes contain errors corrected in the list of the Clean Slate. § As a general comment on baseball: "Ninety percent of this game is half mental." DONE § On why he no longer went to a popular St. Louis restaurant: "Nobody goes there no more, it's too crowded!" DONE § "It ain't over till it's over." - After Berra's 1973 Mets trailed the Chicago Cubs by 9½ games in the National League East; the Mets rallied to win the division title on the next-to-last day of the season. DONE § When giving directions to his New Jersey home, which was equally accessible via two different routes: "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." DONE § On being the guest of honor at an awards banquet: "I'd like to thank all those who made this night necessary." DONE § "It's like déjà vu all over again". Berra explained that this quote originated when he witnessed Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris repeatedly hit back to back home runs in the Yankees' seasons in the early 1960s. DONE § "You can observe a lot by just watching." DONE § "It's tough making predictions, especially about the future". This actually belongs to Storm P. UNACCOUNTED § "Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours." DONE § On a trip to Cooperstown, to attend a dinner, Phil Rizzuto commented to Yogi, "I think we're lost." To which Yogi responded "Yeah, but we're making great time." DONE § When told by a queen visiting New York on a particularly humid day that he appeared "quite cool," Yogi innocently responded "Thanks; you don't look so hot yourself." DONE § When asked if he wanted a personal pizza cut into 4 or 8 slices, Yogi responded with "Better cut it into 4, I don't think I could eat 8." DONE § "It's not the heat, it's the humility." UNACCOUNTED § "They could make trouble for us if they win" on the American League situation DONE § "The future ain't what it used to be." DONE § "We made too many wrong mistakes." DONE § "If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." DONE § "I usually take a two hour nap from one to four." DONE § "Know anything? I don't even 'suspect' anything!" UNACCOUNTED § On the Yankees leaving Yankee Stadium for the final game: "I'm sad to see it go. I really do." UNACCOUNTED § When asked about his relationship with George Steinbrenner, he responded: "We agree different." UNACCOUNTED Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 01:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC) [edit] Restoring some YogiismsRecently the entire list of Yogiisms was deleted by an editor citing WP:NOT, presumably intending to indicate the section of that guideline discouraging "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics". But that guideline goes on to state that "there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contributed to the list topic." And this is certainly true of the Yogiisms. I do think, however, that the list had grown disproportionately long for its purpose in the article. There was an ignored comment among the items on the list--<!-- Add quotes at http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yogi_Berra - not here: these are a selection of examples, not an exhaustive list. -->. Exactly. The exhaustive list belongs at Wikiquote. But surely a short representative list is not out of place in this article. --ShelfSkewed Talk 05:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC) [edit] Popular Culture (Again)In the film It Happens Every Spring, a 1949 release, Paul Douglas plays "Monk Lanigan," a roughly-hewn big-league catcher who seems hopelessly naive, but is fundamentally wise. Do you think that he was based on Yogi? Berra was just emerging as a star about that time. Or could it have been another ballplayer who fit that model somewhat earlier? (By the way, Douglas would go on to play a bewildered manager in Angels in the Outfield (1951), and does a cameo at the end of Rhubarb (1951), as if he were already the personification of comedic baseball.) WHPratt (talk) 16:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC) [edit] The dificulty of verifying quotesSomeone left a note in my talk page about the "we're lost, but making good time" quote. I don't know who put the note, but I'll go to Yogi's page to check. I do not remember deleting the particular quote but I may have changed it. In the Yogi Book, Yogi says that that happened with his wife and not Phil. I wasn't aware of Phil's claim. Yogi's reply is really a classic. Maybe Phil was trying to look good though it didn't happen with him? Why would Yogi tell the story with his wife, if it had happened with Phil? We are aware of the difficulty of ascertaining the exact circumstances of each quote as many were used by different people on several occasions. For instance he said to Phil that his new house "was just a bunch of rooms" to use that same line a few days on a radio interview. He also said to players "You can observe a lot by watching" as a catcher asking companions to pay attention, but he also gave the same line years later to news reporters when asked if he was qualified to coach. I had thought of reviewing with qualifications a more complete list of Yogiisms, but attribution and the exact circumstances are exceedingly difficult to determine. Back in the day nobody anticipated the intense scrutiny these issues would have with us here in Wikipedia. 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