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[edit] a question

A question about the article, it claims only Wells' did the voice acting, has the author of that comment seen said movie? ive got a copy of it on my hard drive and as a die hard StarTrek fan ive gotta say, that sounds like spock to me. Perhaps he and wells sound very alike i dont belive ive hear the latters voice.

Susan Blu, the voice of Arcee in the movie and post-movie seasons, has confirmed that only Wells did Unicron's voice acting. The rumor that was going around was that Wells died before his final lines were taped, so Leonard Neemoy had to take his place, hence why the last lines sound a bit different from the rest of his lines. However, considering the decidedly poor health of Wells at the time, and the nature of the lines being spoken (said in incredulous panic over being destroyed, rather than the calm monotone of the rest of his lines), it's no wonder people thought they were done by a different actor.SynjoDeonecros 08:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC) ~~

Another question is he is not on the Decepticon team because Unicron attacks them.(Optimus the F22 Raptor (talk) 08:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Unicron Toy

They did release an Armada version of the toy with some success.

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True, but Armada Unicron doesn't look all that great; a deflated orange volleyball than anything. Now the BW Neo prototype I could get behind. Looks like it has a similar transformation and robot/planet mode shape to that of the Primus toy, which is shocking, considering the time gap between the two. Maybe Takara dusted off the old BW Neo prototype mold and did some tinkering with it to turn it into Primus?SynjoDeonecros 08:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unicron Trilogy

I think we should mention that until the last ark of Armada, it was unknown to the viewers (and perhaps even the producers, it's possible that Unicron was thought of later) that Unicron played a part in the show. No one knew that Unicron created the Mini-Cons. However, after Armada, the battle against Unicron shaped Energon and Cybertron.

The same goes for Beast Wars II. The fact that the Angolmois Energy came from Unicron wasn't mentioned until Beast Wars Neo. Evan1975 20:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It needs to be cleared up whether the Unicron Trilogy is a TV or Comic book series. Gartner 23:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On his apparent "affiliation"...

I was under the impression that Unicron only held allegiance with himself. 82.46.190.172 09:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK, you're right... unless this has been changed recently. Perhaps his Transformers Cybertron toy was labeled a Decepticon? Evan1975 20:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Some of his toys has no alligance (Armada, Energon), some were Decepticon (Ttianium and Cybertron). user:mathewignash

Even [if] Unicron's Transfomers Cybertron and Titanium Toy was labeled a Decepticon, he cannot be written as "Affiliation: Decepticons". user:TX55

I agree, but what should it say? Hill of Beans 21:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Why shouldn't his affiniation be what HASBRO's toy department said it is? Mathewignash 02:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Did Hasbro actually ever clearly state that Unicron is a decepticon? The Titanium and Cybertron toys had decepticon sigil on the accessories, but not the toy itself. Unicron has also never been portrayed in any fiction as a decepticon. Takeshi357 13:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I think this is absolutely ridicilous. Unicron is definitely NOT affiliated with the decepticons. I bet the only reason some of his toys list his faction as Decepticons is because they were too lazy to come up with a custom logo for him...I vote for "none".84.250.41.125 17:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

However, it still stands that the people who MAKE THE UNICRON TOY listed him as Decepticon twice now. Are we to disallow Hasbro's opinion on the matter? Mathewignash 20:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, because he is NOT a decepticon, period. Unless some form of Transformers fiction actually portrays him as a decepticon, we're sticking with no affiliation. Takeshi357 10:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The 3" Titanium Beast Wars Megatron and Orpimus Primal figures, from the same line as Titanium Unicron, also have Decepticon/Autobot logos, respectively. Likewise, Takara's Robot Masters Megatron and Convoy toys (who were based on, and who were supposed to represent the same characters as, Beast Wars Megatron and Optimus Primal, respectively) also sported Decepticon or Autobot logos. However, the characters were depicted as Maximals/Predacons in the show, and earlier toys of the characters also had Maximal/Predacon logos. Do the Titanium and Robot Masters toys invalidate the show appearances and earlier toys? Or are the toy logos merely conveniences because the lineup is mostly Autobots/Decepticons in those lines, and Hasbro/Takara don't want to use six or seven different logos in order not to confuse buyers?--87.164.100.15 15:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking - the only reason the toys came with decepticon sigil was because a) he's a villain, and b) HasTak probably didn't wanna spend extra cash into creating a whole new logo for a stand and a cyber key that's going to be unique to just one toy. Takeshi357 16:28, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Optimus Primal was an Autobot in the Universe line. His TF template says "Maximal, later Autobot" so it's correct. Mathewignash 10:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Additionally his bio from the Transformers Collectors CLub states his affiliation as Decepticon. Mathewignash 18:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I think there's a big difference between a rule and an exception. Takeshi357 11:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Despite being an faction, the Quints sometimes allied themselves with the Decepticons, but in the end, was still going to destroy the latter, after the Autobots were taken out forever, and might l add, it was Starscream who set an nearing-death Megatron off for the latter's first and last encounter with Unicron.--Daipenmon 22:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The bio for Unicron printed by the Transformers Collectors Club, which is licensed by Hasbro and 100% official lists him as a Decepticon. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/Guyver_Ultima/Unicronians%20Quintessons/Unicron.jpg Mathewignash 17:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this is just absolutely fucking ludicrous. Unicron is not a Decepticon. He's had a few toys sold as Decepticons because they have to brand the toys with the recognizable logos so that the kids at home can tell if they're "goodies" or "baddies," but that's it. He's had alliances with Decepticons now and then, but his only true alliance is to himself. Fuck that solitary profile (which, I will bet money, only labels him a Decepticon because the Cybertron toy has a Decepticon logo on its key, which it only has because of the above reason). He's not a fucking Decepticon. To claim otherwise is just asinine, obstructionist and wrong, and everyone else except you wants his alliance listed as None. - Chris McFeely 22:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What does hasbro selling to kids have to do with the TF clubs official bio for him, which has him as a Decepticon? Mathewignash 22:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I would agree with up making up a new entry on the TF character template, which mentions both. Something like "None, later Decepticon" or "None/Decepticon". Any thoughts on this? Mathewignash 23:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

But he is not "Later Decepticon." He is not a Decepticon. His profile has him as a Decepticon because his toy's got a Decepticon symbol on it, because it has to have on for the purpose of selling the figure as a "goodie" or a "baddie." The profile is not an example of "thinking things through sensibly" - how, fictionally, is Unicron a Decepticon? EVEN IN the context of the club's story, which the profile was created to go alongside, HE'S NOT A DECEPTICON! It's just an exercise in labelling him "good" or "bad," and he's "bad." And furthermore, this article has long gone past the "three revert" rule, and the topic has been discussed on here, and everyone else says "NOT A DECEPTICON." You don't get to make the choice for everyone. Listing his affiliation as "none" or "himself" or "Unicron," with a note that he has occasionally allied himself with certain Decepticons, or has had had toys sold as a Decepticon, but has ficitonally, never been a Decepticon, is the most accurate, appropriate description. - Chris McFeely 23:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Unicron seemed to sell as an unaffiliated toy in Armada and Energon - so you can't say it was for the kiddies little brains to understand that they did it. Cybertron and Titanium were Decepticons. I agree in the movie he was an unaffiliated planet entity, but the movie isn't the end all be all of Transformers. In the Universe line the Cybertronian affiliation with Unicron are Decepticons, even if they are former Vehicons, Predacons, Dinobots or Maximals. In the Dreamwave comics Unicron makes an army of Sweeps which are all Decepticons. He seems to be a Decepticon in these stories, he's just the head of them. Mathewignash 23:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Just because he creates Transformers branded with the Decepticon symbol doesn't mean he is one (specifically, in the case of Universe, that's because there needs to be a unified "baddie" faction for the toys to sell under - and that's not a "for the kids" thing, that's just common sense).

Cybertron and Titanium are the only instances of Unicron toys being Decepticon-aligned in any way. And even then... well, now, let's look at the Titanium packaging. In the spot where every other figure has their alliance listed, Unicron's says... NONE. He just has a Decepticon base, because he has to have a base, and he's evil, so he gets a Con one, with the package even SAYING HE'S NOT A DECEPTICON. And in the case of Cybertron, he's listed as a Decepticon because he's got a Decepticon insignia on his Cyber Key - even internal to the fiction of the Cybertron storyline, he's not a Decepticon.

So, that's precisely one toy that has called Unicron a Decepticon, and even the fiction assosciated with that toy does agree with that.

Not. A. Decepticon. - Chris McFeely 00:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I've just had another thought about Cybertron Unicron. He could be sold as unaffiliated in Armada and Energon because the design of their packaging didn't change from Bot to Con. Cybertron, on the other hand, had the backing card specifically shaped to be on of the two. It would not have been good sense to create a third shape of card for one figure, who wasn't even in the show, so Unicron would have had to be placed on one of the two existing cards, and hey, he's "evil," so, Decepticon. The figure itself doesn't even have a Decepticon insignia stamped on it - the only Cybertron deluxe that doesnt have an insignia. - Chris McFeely 10:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

You know I was looking on the Takara/Japanese page for Armada, and Unicron's bio page had a Mini-Con faction symbol on it. Mathewignash 22:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

IIRC, Unicron has a Mini-con symbol is because Mini-cons were created by Him, DEFINITELY not because Unicron is a Mini-con. --User:TX55 03:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

So, umm...why does it still say "decepticon" there? Takeshi357 (talk) 22:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm changing it to "Evil God/None", since no-one has supplied any other alternatives. UNIT A4B1 (talk) 23:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Does size matter?

See Does size matter? section of The Transformers: The Movie talkpage.

[edit] Comparison to Galactus justified?

The parallel definitely exists, but is it really worth mentioning in the summary? I'm considering this line for deletion if no one wants to defend it.

Might be worth moving somewhere else in the article, but where would we move it? Gartner 00:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, and I shall remove it. I don't see why the comparison needs to be made. Gunstar hero (talk) 07:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Unicron.jpg

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[edit] Decepticon?

Since when was Unicron a Decepticon? The article explicitly states he is neither Autobot nor Decepticon. JIP | Talk 19:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you shoud read the above section of the talk page. Mathewignash (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] fact or fiction tag

the very first line reads "unicron is a fictional character"... how can it be any more clear that this page is about fiction? i suggest that tag be removed. Sato au (talk) 01:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fun Publications

I removed this section for two big reasons. The first was that it smacks of original research and fan speculation, which can't be included. The second is that the section has been tagged for sources for over two years with zero improvement. I think it's more than fine to include again, but it drastically needs to be cleaned up and sourced. I am moving the text from there to here for both historical purposes and for those who may want to improve the section so they don't have to go digging through the history for it. --13² 18:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The Transformers club comic has further developed Unicron's story for the Cybertron era, attempting to fill in the plot holes. Clarification states that Primus' chosen task in Energon was to imprison and burn away Unicron's disembodied spark within a fledgling sun. This sun was the one that was born to save Alpha-Q's world. Unfortunately, Megatron's spark, also inside, interfered and the sun collapsed, trapping Unicron's spark inside (bridging it between other universes). The black hole was born, and Megatron was freed. He used pieces of Unicron to remake his body, as well as revive Starscream, his most loyal subject. The black hole itself has begun to devour space and time, unravelling historical events and building new ones. This is the reason for the "errors" in the Cybertron animated series, as it is following a constantly reshaping universe.

A new Unicron figure was released at the end of the Cybertron toy line as a Deluxe-class figure with a tank-like alternate mode.[2] Although the character did not in Transformers; Cybertron or its Japanese equivalent Transformers: Galaxy Force, the Hasbro Club comic served to introduce this new version of the Chaos-Bringer. In this story, the black hole contains Unicron's essence and also links him simultaneously to all Cybertrons across the Multiverse giving him the potential to wipe out Primus in one fell swoop. This course is currently being held at bay by Transformers from across the Multiverse, usually consisting of characters derived from Convention and Club exclusives as well as Cybertron figures that play no role in the television series. In one issue, Soundwave was dispatched to Cybertron after Ramjet and Nemesis Prime's failure. He tosses the Dead Matrix into the black hole, releasing Unicron's spark which quickly overtakes a nearby world, converting its inhabitants into savage maniacs. With the destruction of the planet his body is reborn as a normal sized Transformer.

When Unicron eventually attacked Cybertron in the midst of the chaos caused by a Mini-Con civil war, Sentinel Maximus and Omega Prime fought him off with the help of their allies. In the end Unicron was driven off badly wounded again, this time by Primus himself.

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