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[edit] Poland law's - not really trueIn Poland it is an offence to advertise totalitarist reigimes, like the Nazis or the USSR. The law is also a bit of a dead one, as people don't wear symbols of Nazims rather culturally (though some skinheads do) and symbols of the USSR are quite common on clothing, as everywhere else. Nazi symbols have no special status The up to 2 years is for advertising nazism/communism only. Poland's laws are so liberal that Poland's biggest auction portal (won't advertise it here) is the main marketplace for Nazi stuff, even present day "replicas" - something not possible on ebay for instance. The "Nigdy Więcej" (Never Again) foundation is working to change all this, but at present you could walk through Warsaw with a dangling swastika on your neck and have no problems what saw ever. The Polish law part, based on a strange article from a non-Polish newspaper with a lot of mix-up is just misleading. Or presents some wishful thinking of Never Again activists. I'm not saying such a ban would be bad in a country like Poland, but this is an encyclopedia, not a blog, so it should be accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.145.93 (talk) 11:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC) [edit] hindu/hitler centric introductionI was linked to this article by someone who believed the swastika was INVENTED in india and indeed, although this article mentions much lower the ancient aryan-persian/hittite/celtic use of the symbol, why so much focus on 2 extremes of the symbols use (hitler & hindus)? I think the pre-hindu origin of the swastika which was imported to india by the aryans should be at least as important to the article as hitler and the hindus using it. I know that attributing the swastika to the same ancient aryan/persian group Hitler did may be taboo and some may want it censored, but its origins are really scarcely related to hinduism or india though its use is and the article seems to be pushing that "good hindus invented it, bad hitler stole it" urban legend. Can we have some further mention of the heavy use in celtic culture for example? I am able to scan some photos of swastika-clad ancient celtic shields but the quality is low and I'd like to find some better ones online possibly. Cold polymer 17:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
the significance of the symbol in prehistoric times is unknown. We cannot do much more than state that it occurs all over the place, but not as a rule in a context suggesting particular importance. Images of "swastika clad Celtic shields" really do nothing to help us here. For all we know, it was just an ornament. What we are lacking is a clear link to or evolution out of the sun wheel, a symbol which quite clearly does have cultic importance in Bronze Age Europe. I note that we are missing crucial documentation of the first instances we can clearly demonstrate religious significance of the symbol. This development appears to take place in the 3rd century or so in Buddhist the Mauryan Empire. I would be interested in the earliest unambiguous link between the term svastika and the gammadion symbol, and the earliest unambiguously Buddhist context. Apparently, the swastika is "Buddha's heart" in at least the 10th century China, but there is quite a gap between the 3rd c. BC and the 10th c. AD. dab (𒁳) 14:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] CometsBkobres (talk · contribs), the article Comets and the swastika motif is essentially a rehash of your book. Without, it may be noted, citing a single review that would add credibility to the publication. No source cited post-dates your 1992 thesis. Even Sagan's 1985 proposal found no wide resonance, but it is at least notable enough to mention here. I see no reason to go into "bird-comets" on this article, unless some mainstream review of the concept is presented. Comets and the swastika motif itself needs to be reviewed for notability and OR issues. dab (𒁳) 12:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I haven't read any of these books, and am not planning to. But I am more careful than you seem capable of noting: If Clube&Napier have drawn the Swastika connection, we have no reference to that. So far, the article only states that they "reproduced a portion of this silk atlas and suggest that some of the comet drawings were probably related to the breakup of the progenitor of comet Encke and the Taurid meteoroid stream", no mention of swastikas. This whole thing is precariously close to Catastrophism, a topic we justly file under "pseudoscience". dab (𒁳) 14:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
http://www.lemangue.com.br/arquivo/agosto2003/piersonbarreto.pdf http://www.symbolanalyse.de/pdfs/bibl1.pdf http://bagdasarovr.narod.ru/swastika.htm Bkobres 21:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I have correspondence from August last year (2006) with R.N. IYENGAR who is actively researching and publishing on comet related observations in ancient Indian literature (JOUR.GEOL.SOC.INDIA, VOL.67, MARCH 2006, pp 289-94). He indicated that he is working on material related to the bird/comet relationship:
A published idea is not always picked up on right away and the accuracy of a published idea or observation is not determined by popularity! The notion of celestial bird foot-print is not out of the blue, as I've stated:
bkobres 12:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC) Bkobres, you seem to completely misunderstand what Wikipedia is about. "A published idea is not always picked up on right away and the accuracy of a published idea or observation is not determined by popularity!" -- this is the classic crank position. This may or may not apply to the "bird-comet" thing, but per WP:TRUTH, Wikipedia in fact reports on popularity (viz., in academia), not "truth". You merely succeed in convincing me further that all this falls under WP:FRINGE. dab (𒁳) 13:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
EIN ALTORIENTALISCHES SYMBOL BEMERKUNGEN ZUM SOGENANNTEN "OMEGAFORMIGEN SYMBOL" UND ZUR BRILLENSPIRALE BY: ILSE FUHR, 1967, pp 36-39, OTTO HARRASSOWITZ; WIESBADEN Bkobres 16:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC) I do not think "my opinion" is superior. I am asking you to cite sources for your assertions. What is the problem with that? Don't throw random book titles at me, build a coherent case based on references. I was asking you for a reference that Clube and Napier mention the swastika. You dodged the question by posting some more rambling. Now you deign to let me know that "Clube and Napier point out" that the comet-swaskika connection is due to Ilse Fuhr (1967) -- why thank you! Considering that you could have posted that in a single edit a couple of months ago, I find it hilarious that you should think I have wasted your time. Now, pray, what is it Fuhr tells us on page 36-39 of her 1967 opus? Or would you like to prance around for another week before you let us in on that? dab (𒁳) 08:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
As for your comment regarding Clube and Napier (1982); I said that they included the swastika like comet image but did not refer specifically to it. What they write under the illustration after describing where and when the silk paintings were found is:
I doubt that they knew of Fuhr's work in 1982 but they did give her credit in their 1990 publication: The Cosmic Winter, Basil Blackwell Ltd. I apologize for not making that clear above.
http://www.varchive.org/cor/fuhr/index.htm If so you will need to include quite a few people--including Sagan! http://diglib.princeton.edu/ead/eadGetDoc.xq?id=/ead/mss/C0968.EAD.xml I've never accepted the ideas of Velikovsky and did not enter into this area of research due to his publications. My focus was and still is on encouraging an Earth defense system as well as accelerated space resource development. Research that I have done on past impact events has been based on the prior work of others who have studied various subjects related to this. I've avoided the publications of Velikovsky because his premise of Venus zooming around as a comet is absurd! In general Velikovsky has caused problems for this area of research and obviously still does. I had been circulating the Bronze-age paper by mail to encourage archaeological research when SIS got wind of it and offered to publish it. I saw no harm in this because the article is clearly about standard comets and asteroids:
Vacano, W. O. von. Die Etrusker. Stuttgart 1955. Virolleaud, C. La deesse Anat-Astarte dans les poemes de Ras-Shamra. (Revue des Etudes Semitiques 1937.) Virolleaud, C. L'Astrologie Chaldeenne. Suppl. 33. Voelkl, Lugwig. Zusammenhange der antiken und fruhchristlichen Symbolwelt (Das Munster. 16. Jahrg. Heft 7/8) 1963. Der Wandteppich yon Bayeux. Phaidon 1957. Ward, W. Hayes. The Seal Cylinders of Western Asia. Washington 1910. Watzinger, Denkmaler Palastinas. Leipzig 1933.
http://books.google.com/books?id=QvQeAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA145&dq=astika+bird+foot&as_brr=1#PPA145,M1 http://books.google.com/books?id=QvQeAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA145&dq=astika+bird+foot&as_brr=1#PPA329,M1 Putting searchable books online is another cause that I've been engaged in for years because it allows earlier ideas and observations to be preserved and available: http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/sw/ http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/rmenu.html
Fyl-fot. The Teutonic name of the Svastika or cross with feet, Greek gammadion or "crooked" sign (see Count G. D'Alviella, Migration des Symboles, 1892). This sign, found from Peru to Cornwall, is called Fuel-fut, Fujel-fot, and Fyl-fot, among Aryans, and identified with Thor's hammer, being found on dolmens in Cornwall, and, as a charm against thunder, on bells in Yorkshire (see Bells). It appears to signify the "fowl's foot" (German Vogel "bird"), a "flying foot," alluding to the whirl of the Svastika wheel (see Svastika) It was everywhere a sacred emblem. The Aryan root Plu signifies "to fly." The symbol is also the croix cramponee, or "crook cross," of heralds. Eagle. The Vfthana, or vehicle, of Vishnu and many other and heaven gods (see Etana), suitably chosen by Christiana also, arry the Logos or Word of Life. It was the emblem of Zeus, ring his thunderbolt, and that of Indra (the Vajra). It slept on the sceptre of Zeus, and plncvil ejfgs in hia lap, recovering his ring, and giving him his darts. It was carried on the standan Imperial Rome, denoting the sky spirit (see Hawk) and messenger Jove (see Rivers of Life, i, p. 134, fig. 53). The eagle stole garments of AphroditS, in aid of Hermes (a dawn myth), and connected with the griffin. The marvellous Saena bird of Zoroastna symbolising wisdom, and the Persian Simurg (in the Bundahlsh) " the ever blessed, glorious, and mighty bird whose wings dim the v sunbeams." As Garuda it is the power of Vishnu (often two-head and the destroyer of serpents. It is also the Arab Rukh (or the Ro but Skandinavians and Franks, when Christians, regarded it as glooc and demoniacal. It has a long mythical history among Turao Hittites, and other tribes from Central Asia, connected with o* and Svastika crosses (see Academy, 18th August 1883). Christ replaced it in brazen beauty in their churches. [The double-head eagle surmounts an Akkadian text at Tell Lolj. It occurs as Hittite sign at Boghaz Keui and Eyuk, in Asia Minor, with Sphynx. It was the ensign of the Seljuk Turks, found in sev cases in Armenia, and also the Garuda bird on coins of the Arsaci in Parthia. The Hittite double-headed eagle supports a pair deities, and seems to be the emblem of Tammuz and Istar as twins of day and night.—Ed.] http://books.google.com/books?id=OJsYAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA385&vq=svastika&dq=svastika+bird+garuda&as_brr=1 Svastika. Swastika. The name of this emblem is derived from the expression Su-asti, or "be thou well." It is a cross with feet, but may have three legs instead of four (see Fylfot). The four-legged emblem is very ancient, being found on the Hittite monument of Ibreez in Lycaonia, at Mycenae, on the pelvis of a naked female image at Troy, on rocks in Cornwall, and in many other ancient ruins. It is a symbol of the sun, of fire, and of thunder—the hammer of Thor. The Hindus also apply the name to a man standing with legs and arms extended; and this likewise is an early Hittite and Phoenician emblem. The sign seems to represent the wheel of the sun (see Ixion, and Sun); the Hindu parent marks it on the breast and forehead of his babe at birth (see Bombay Rl. Asiatic Socy., iii, 1893); and a Svastika is formed of wheat ears in the natal chamber; the sign (or Kunku) is made with red powder in honour of Ganesa, and Hindu writers place a red Svastika (or Sri-vatsa) at the beginning and at the end of MSS. and books ; it is also sketched in flour on floors, and on garden paths, at wedding fetes. In the ordinary form i-f,, which is called " male," the feet follow the direction of the sun's course in heaven ; this is the Greek Gammadion, the " Croix Cramponee," or Crux Ansata, the Tetra-skele, sometimes formed by two letters S at right angles. The opposite emblem rf is the " female," or Sau-svastika, which is sometimes of evil omen. The Tri-skele (" three legged "), or Triquetra, is a similar emblem with only three legs, and is common on Sicilian coins, as well as in the Isle of Man. This sacred cross was known among Mexicans, and apparently to the mound builders of Ohio in N. America (Prof. Wright, Quarterly Stat. Pal. Ex,pi. Fund, October 1894), and also in Peru, where it occurs on early pottery. It was probably of Turanian origin, but is widely spread, on Indian coins and in Skandinavia alike. In India it is often drawn with long crooks, so as to suggest that originally it was a circle divided into four by cross lines, and representing the sun. Among Buddhists it was made into a Chakra or " wheel of the Law " (see Buddha), and by Tibetans it is called Yun-drun, or " path of life." It is found in Greece, Krele, Cyprus, and Rhodes, and was the emble of Artemis, and of Athene. It occurs in Thrukia, and in Maga. Grecia—or S. Italy—on fibula: from Cumre, on a Samuite tomb,: Ca-re, and at Capua. It was used, apparently by Christians, in tl Roman catacombs, on garments of priests, and of the " Good Shepherd It was a charm on bells in Yorkshire, and on vases, and arms, Switzerland, and among Saxons and Kelts ; on Gaulish coins from tl 3rd to the 6th centuries AX., and on Roman tombs at Algiers ; on 0 coins of Parthians and Sassanians in Persia, and on old Phoenician seal as well as in Belgium down to our 14th century. Count d'Alvicila (Migration of Symbols, p. 81) traces this wide spread and ancient symbol from Troy and Mycenae down to the 9l century ax. in Ireland, and finds it in Persia, China, N. Africa, u Skandinavia, in Tibet and Japan. The introduction into Amerii appears to have been due to the Buddhists of our oth century. J Thrakia the Svastika has a central circle, and is accompanied by tl letters MES in Greek. This coin was discovered by Mr P. Garde* and appears to have belonged to the city Mesembria, named from U " midday sun." A Lycian coin of the 6th century ac, also bears tl Triquetra, or three-legged emblem. The Svastika is found throughout Europe, as at Bishop Island on the Oder, or on a vase froi Reichorsdorf, or all round the pulpit of St Ambrose at Mil* There are 1000 instances in the Roman Catacombs, and others on tt walls of Pompeii: on a Keltik urn found at Shropham in Norfolk ; an in the Roman villa at Beading in the Isle of Wight; on Atheoi* Mid Corinthian vases; on coins of Leucas and of Syracuse ; on a mosai in the royal garden at Athens. The Skandinavian S form occurs o the Ogbam stone at Pen-Arthur, in S. Wales, as well as on the alu frontal of the cathedral at Valentia said to have been sent from 01' St Paul's in London in the time of Henry VIII. It is common oi Persian carpets, and found in both Hungary and Ashanti, as well • in Yukatan. The Japanese may still be seen stampiug this embko is the ancients did in Egypt, or in Cyprus. Mr Aynsley regards tbi Sammadion on the tomb of St Agues in Rome as an " old Christian cross." The Triskele at Eryx in Sicily is older than 400 ac. The Svastika on the stones of the Buddhist stupa at Sar-nath (in Banans) may be yet older. It occurs twice in the cells by the " red gate of the mosk at Jaunpur, and used to be seen at Granada; but Moslems disowned it, saying it was placed there by the devil. Hindus often decorate the Svastika with leaves, flowers, and gold. It is recognisd as representing the two lire sticks (see Arani), as Emile Burnouf noticed long ago (see Mr Hewitt, Jorvmal Rl. Asiatic Socy., April 1889, p. 189); and in this connection it has a phallic significance, as remarked by Dr J. G. Miiller (see also Mr R. Sewell, Indian Antiq., July 1881). In S.W. Asia the feet seem to be turned indifferently to right or left {Indian Antiq., April 1886). See Triskelion.
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[edit] QuestionIs it true that in some countries they can arrest you for using a Swastika in public? Any information about this? Thanks.
They can't arrest you for using the old right facing Hindu or Janist symbols, but they can if it resembles the Nazi symbol where it is turned diagonally. FinalWish 02:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
It is true there are non diagonal swastikas [1], although diagonal is clearly the preponderance. I wonder how many were mistakes, or done on purpose; snd if done on purpose what was the intention (protest?) of the artist. Geo8rge 17:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC) Neo Nazis use the wrong swastikas because they are just to stupid to realize what the real nazi swastika symbol looked like so they have been spraying buddhist and hindu symbols everywhere.162.84.136.156 02:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC) [edit] Censored Swastikas in GermanyDoes anyone know where I can get a clean picture of the censored swastika logo? It's like a diamond divided into four diagonal squares. I think one could also be included in this article. Here's some Hellsing cosplayers wearing it : http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs21/300W/f/2007/239/f/8/OVA_Cosplay_by_Haruka666.jpg.:Stirb Nicht Vor Mir:. 09:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC) No they are the only ones, sine they are morons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.231.93 (talk) 12:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC) I'm confused. Does this mean the Argyle pattern is illegal in Germany? Or does it mean that these are an allowed variant of the traditional (forbidden) design? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.111.233 (talk) 20:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC) [edit] Maintainers of this page might be interested inNavy to mask Coronado's swastika-shaped barracks http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/fairenough/latimesC16.html Radiator badge of the 1913 Krit automobile (National Auto Museum, Reno NV): http://www.flickr.com/photos/bstrong/292792682/ Geo8rge 15:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC) I remember Microsoft to apologize for having a Swastica in one of their character sets and revoking it, see for example [2] and [3]. Apparently they released Office 2003 with the Swastica ([4]), see picture at [5]. Hence the Swastica at decimal 126 was replaced by a square dot. – Fritz@Joern.De —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.143.105.35 (talk) 16:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC) -is there anyway to get the symbol back? it would be great for a project on WWI to have it crooked like that instead of just these 卍卐 Somebody2D (talk) 19:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC) [edit] Sentence RemovedSince World War II, most Westerners have known the swastika as solely a Nazi symbol, leading to incorrect assumptions about its pre-Nazi use in the West and confusion about its sacred religious and historical status in other cultures. Really? I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people I've come into contact with (I live in New Zealand for what it's worth) are aware that it's an Eastern religious symbol that predates WWII. Having said that, they would certainly associate it primarily with Nazi Germany. In any case, it's a sweeping unfounded statement. I've removed it. Dissimul 20:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC) Actually I would agree with the (deleted) sentence completely, though I speak from an American prospective. It was only when I met someone from Nepal that I learned about the modern use of the symbol (and use before Nazis) Epthorn 12:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC) I also agree with the sentence. Okay, awarness of the older use of the swastika is increasing but strong association with the Nazis continues; see this New Zealand article over a swastika symbol on a roof. ['swastika' causes offence] Alisterb (talk) 01:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC) [edit] Other statement removedI deleted a sentence that said something to the effect of "Some critics" believe that a runway pattern resembles a swastika. It's not sourced, other than a photo of the runway pattern and doesn't seem to add anything to the topic at hand.Epthorn 12:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC) [edit] Greek geometric eraWhile this page does touch on the use of the Swastika in Greco-Roman art I think it should be pointed out that the Swastika's biggest moment in Greek art was during the Geometric era, where it as well as other geometric designs dominated over pictoral designs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 16:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC) [edit] Swastikas in AfricaSwastikas are prevelant on raffia textiles from Kuba,Congo.They are also attributed to mirrors. [6] [7] [8] They are also mentioned in Congo Sculpture "Of special interest are the swastika-like scarifications on her shoulders at back" [9] Also in Burlington Magazine 1909 [10] 210.50.132.47 08:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC) [edit] Reorganization of subheadsWell, I'm not really into this article, but I'd like to propose some reorganization of the subheads: We now have: 1 Etymology and alternative names 2 History 2.1 Origin hypotheses 2.2 Archaeological record 2.3 Historical use 2.4 Reintroduction of the swastika in the West 3 Geometry and symbolism 4 Art and architecture 5 Religion and mythology 5.1 Hinduism 5.1.1 In the news 5.2 Buddhism 5.3 Jainism 5.4 Abrahamic religions 5.5 Other Asian traditions 5.6 Native American traditions 5.7 Pre-Christian Europe 5.7.1 Baltic 5.7.2 Celtic 5.7.3 Germanic 5.7.4 Sami 5.7.5 Slavic 6 Nazi Germany 7 Taboo in Western countries 7.1 United States 7.2 Germany 7.3 Brazil 7.4 Satirical use 7.5 Bona-fide use causing controversy 8 Contemporary usage 8.1 Finland 8.2 South Asia 8.3 Tajikistan 8.4 Neopaganism 9 See also 10 Multimedia 11 References 12 Notes 13 External links I would suggest: 1 Etymology and alternative names 2 History 2.1 Origin hypotheses 2.2 Archaeological record 2.3 Historical use 2.4 Swastika in the West 3 Geometry and symbolism 4 Art and architecture 5 Religion and mythology 5.1 Hinduism 5.2 Buddhism 5.3 Jainism 5.4 Abrahamic religions 5.5 Other Asian traditions 5.6 Native American traditions 5.7 Pre-Christian Europe 6 Contemporary usage 7 See also 8 References 9 Notes 10 External links Merge the sections of Nazi Germany, Taboo in the West and Reintroduction to the West into a single "In the West" , with main articles on "Western use of the Swastika in the early 20th century", "Use of the Swastika by Nazi Germany" and "Contemporary use of the Swastika" --Cheers, ŴôôDéļf 04:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The BirdsBob Kobres is yet again insisting on promoting his pet theory that Swastikas are representations of bird claws, by adding this material into the lead of the article despite its extremely fringe nature. At best it deserves a sentence or two later in the article. I strongly suggest that this material contravenes WP:SYN, since essentially Bob is adding as notes any books that come up with a trawl of Google Books using keywords. In many cases the references are very old (Katherine M. Ball) or do not say what he is using them to support. Thus we have Hewitt's 1907 argument that swastika derives from "su astika", which is then spun into a claim that this links to birds because the "main focus" of "astika" is a bird in Maharbarata. And yet the word "astika" has no connection with birds of itself. This is an elaborate chain of linkage and is therefore OR by reason of synthesis. Paul B (talk) 15:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC): Bob's text:
The earliest archaeological evidence of a swastika-motif dates from the late paleolithic period (~10,000 BC). It appears on birds carved from mammoth tusk and the motif is etched at the spot where the bird's feet should be. This carving is depicted on page 117 of Joseph Campbell's, Flight of the Wild Gander: Explorations in the Mythological Dimension (2002 ed). An ancient symbol, it occurs in numerous indigenous Asian, European, African and Native American cultures; sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol. It has long been widely used in major world religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.
Paul there is no debate about the motif being related to birds because it is directly associated on recovered artifacts such as the paleolithic bird carving depicted in Joseph Campbell's book. I've been researching this subject since the early 1980s due to learning that the motif was identified as a comet on an ancient Chinese silk unearthed in 1978. This Chinese artifact trumps any prior speculation about the motif because it unambiguously refers to the swastika-like comet as a long-tailed pheasant star (Di-Xing). Much of what is taken as fact in the Wikipedia article seems to come from Wilson's paper, which I placed online in 1999: http://web.archive.org/web/19991019003638/abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/rmenu.html The Swastika The earliest known symbol, and its migration; with observations on the migration of certain industries in prehistoric times. By Thomas Wilson, (1894) Curator, Department of Prehistoric Anthropology, U.S. National Museum. J. F. Hewitt (author of: Primitive Traditional History: The Primitive History and Chronology of India) was the Commissioner of Chutia Nagpur and so lived with the Indian people. I think that his opinion regarding the history of the motif as used in India should carry considerable weight. Katherine M. Ball (Animal Motifs in Asian Art) is still in print and used authoritatively so I do don't see where you derive your authority to dismiss these works as fringe. Bkobres (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
We? The motif on the paleolithic carving has been described as a swastika in journal articles as well as by Campbell. Wikipedia is not a dictionary--the article is about the motif; not the term: swastika. Bkobres (talk) 13:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
The carving depicted on page 117 of Joseph Campbell's, Flight of the Wild Gander: Explorations in the Mythological Dimension (2002 ed) is indeed visible--just scroll down or use the navigation arrows from page 116. I ask that you also read the accompanying text. Bkobres (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems odd that Google would vary the preview pages by area, but perhaps they do. Did you try searching for -swastika- within the book? Bkobres (talk) 20:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The artifact is also shown here:
Loewenstein construes the carvings as goddesses rather than birds but still refers to the motif as a swastika. I know of no evidence that the artifact was tampered with for propaganda reasons. The strongest evidence I've seen thus far that the swastika motif was associated with birds in India is provided by Hewitt's observation on page 145 of Primitive Traditional History: http://books.google.com/books?id=QvQeAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA145&dq=peacock+foot+tracks+su+astika+flying+star+bird&as_brr=1
As I have stated, my interest in this motif stems from its direct (via artifact) association with a comet and the motif's suspected relation to sky-gods in several cultures. The Chinese artifact actually displays drawings that could be considered related to other motifs such as the menorah or celestial tree. Such displays in the sky would be visible to most populations but not necessarily, or likely to be, interpreted in the same fashion. The depiction or stylized drawings of these celestial displays however should be similar and so works of art (particularly that related to religious themes) are apt to be more candid in revealing comet influence than mythological depictions of sky-gods. As a person interested in art and religion perhaps you might have some thoughts about these compositions which are widely separated in time yet seem to retain a common theme: http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccpuzzle.html
Additional info: http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/seasia/bangkok/bnm03.html http://www.gurjari.net/ico/Mystica/html/rahu_ketu.htm http://www.srividya.org/slokas/Navagrahas/navagraha.htm Bkobres (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC) [edit] Pre-Christian Europe?The phrase "pre-Christian Europe" is used several times in this article. Is this a valid description? It seems sort of POV to me, based on the assumption, for instance, that Europe is or has ever been uniformly Christian. Opinions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.247.73 (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] East AngliaThe following is a verbatim quote of Davidson (1965:83):
It would be nice to get independent confirmation of this, as well as additional details. Is the "Cambridge Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology" in Cambridge, England, or are we talking about the Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology in Cambridge, MA? dab (𒁳) 11:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Could this design be an anglo-saxon swastika? 131.111.8.97 (talk) 05:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I received more information from the museum via correspondence. I was told that there are at least 14 objects in their Anglo-Saxon collection with the swastika. I was given some more examples: "We have one large Anglo Saxon pot (Museum ID/ACCNO number 1948.2475) on display which is decorated with large swastika symbols, and also on display are 2 circular bronze brooches (1948.1320) with swastika decoration." Further: "Cambridge University Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology, its new name (2007) is Museum of Archaeology & Anthropology, and it is one of Cambridge University's museums, based in Cambridge, England." I asked for a specific date and was told that it was probably in the 1960s though they would check up on it. :bloodofox: (talk) 12:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Literature searchUntil Paul's next visit to the BL, here's what I could find online:
From this I conclude that the hypothesis that the swastika represents Thor's hammer, especially in Anglo-Saxon England, has sufficient backing to be mentioned as a serious academic opinion. here, however, is evidence for controversial debate on the question (Thomas Wilson, 1894)[17]
This is interesting also to the co-existence and interdependence of Viking Age (pagan) "Mjolnir" and (Christian) cross pendants. dab (𒁳) 10:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC) [edit] drew-sokoly?This term, used in the article's introduction, seems to be some sort of vandalism (google "drew-sokoly" and you'll see). I removed it. A new translation of the Sanskrit svasti is now needed, if the term is indeed valid. Jperrylsu (talk) 14:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC) [edit] Hakenkreuz vs Swastika as the Nazi symbolMy understanding (this is based on various Indian college texts, so maybe biased POV) was that the Nazis always referred to the symbol in German as the Haukenkreuz 'hooked cross'. The sanskrit 'Swastika' was adopted much later, after the British noticed the similarities between the hindu Swastika used by the brown-skinned natives of their colony in India and the one used by the rapidly growing Nazi movement in Europe. It initially came to be used as a sort of derogatory term by the British (and allied powers) to mock the Nazi movement by associating it with Indians. Later on people like Heinrich Himmler who were part of the minor undercurrent within the Nazi movement fascinated with occultism, re-appropriated the Swastika and other perceived linkages Asia and India to support their theory of pan-Aryanism. I don't know much about wikipedia, but this is mainstream history as taught in India and probably should be mentioned somewhere as an opposing view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.17.179 (talk • contribs)
The gist of Indian college texts tends to fluctuate with the government currently in power (NCERT controversy: it's like Wikipedia edit-warring in print). Hakenkreuz is just the German term for the symbol, much like the Greek term is gammadion. It may be worth noting that Hakenkreuz as a term in heraldry is attested in Adelung, pre-dating the formation of the Nazi party by more than a century. If we can get a precise citation of this alleged Indian textbook nonsense, we might indeed make mention of it both here and at Education in India, if only as a reminder just how important a role Wikipedia fulfils in some places. dab (𒁳) 17:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Something missing?What about the Theosophical Society? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.100.250.228 (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC) [edit] Splitting and forkingThis article is rather long, does anyone else think some sections should be forked into separate articles? --ErgoSum88 (talk) 07:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC) [edit] Top image is poorThe original top image used to be just a hindu swastika. It now includes the nazi swastika. I don't feel that addition was appropriate, or adds anything meaningful to the article. If you are going to do that, then you may as well include every single other variation of the swastika at the top. The nazi variation is not representative. 65.41.92.123 (talk) 22:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC) Not necessary. They need the full version of the article for reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.100.107.246 (talk) 05:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC) [edit] Image copyright problem with Image:BiharSeal.jpgThe image Image:BiharSeal.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
The following images also have this problem: This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --12:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC) [edit] Does the statuary in the Art and Architecture section show a swastikaThe image shown in the Art and Architecture section, does not appear to show any swastikas, but rather shows simple cross-motifs. I've looked it over quite closely and don't see what is being referred to. Since it is unclear (at best) form the entire picture where the swastikas are, I would like to suggest that someone who does know what is being pointed out create a derivative image that shows the exact location referred to.  -Fenevad (talk) 11:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The Swastika symbol and TaekwondoPlease see the world Taekwondo website. The poomsae Ilyeo is represented by the symbol of the swastika in a mirrored form. This is the pattern for 9th Dan and represents "oneness" and the perfect harmony of the body and mind. The movements are played out on the floor in the shape of the symbol.
[edit] artefact/artifactthere have been a few edits back and forth, so why don't we discuss which is better to use on this article? Lihaas (talk) 14:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] About the Neolithic India partShouldn't that be mentioned a litlte higher in the article? I mean when someone comes to this article shouldn't that be mentioned pretty fast? Why is it so low? I mean the start of the article talks about how it came from the Neolithic period. Well why not just say India in that sentence? I mean later in the article does it mention India. But why so low? ARYAN818 (talk) 00:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Joseph Campbell isn't a serious source. I am aware of swastika symbols in the Indus script, dating to the Indian Bronze Age, but the "Neolithic India" claim so far remains unreferenced. --dab (𒁳) 11:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC) [edit] SymbolismDoesn't the swastika also represent seasonal change? I thought that that was why the Nazis used it during WWII, as a symbol for change. Could anyone verify this? Fruckert (talk) 19:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bangali SwastikaCan anyone know the use and origin of other symbol which known as swastika in Bengal? I look like a stick figure of human. Tnaskar (talk) 17:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I am a Bengali Hindu; and we here use this symbol along with swastika only in Bengal as far as I know (I asked lots of my friends). Moreover it is more common than swastika. Unfortunately, Bengal lost her history and whatever remains are mythology and rituals. So, I did not get any proper answer. Tapan (talk) 05:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes, we call it as 'swastik' and even 'swastika' which I mentioned in my earlier post. Hinduism followed in Bengal is different than rest of India. This enter into Bengal as diffusion of culture unlike rest part of the country where it was ruled. I am not telling that Bengal never have Hindu King but this was very short lived. So when people talk about history of India they generally talk about Aryandom of India ruled by Hindu emperors. Most of the existing historical text are not written in Bengal and have no or very little mention of this place, since these literatures were written to praise the King or queen of that kingdom, and it was obvious why they will write about region which was not a part of their kingdom. In addition to these this region are very prone to cyclone, flood and river movement. Also faced famine many times and human migration. All these causes people of Bengal to forget the past. Tapan (talk) 19:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC) The given photograph in the left show the image of Swastika use in Bengal.  In prehistoric time human draw the figures of their game on the caves, but in spite of the fact they are good artist they did not draw their figure. This is because they fear that any evil spirit may use their figure and try to harm them. So the human figure in the cave painting are symbolic. Like human figure in Baja Cave, California. Bengali Swastika is one of such human figure.See Rock painting of human figure Tapan (talk) Having spent time in Bengal, the "stick-figure" Swastika is indeed widespread. I looked high and low for books which addressed this variation but even in Bengal I found none. It is my opinion that being that this is a folk practice (as many practices in Bengali Hinduism are, I see this as a positive thing), there is not as much of a "paper trail" as one would find with the more "Sanskritized" streams of Hinduism; but being a folk tradition does not make it any less worthy of inclusion. I feel that if this falls within the scope of "original research" and is thus objectionable, then this particular issue exposes a glaring flaw in the wiki's model; the loss of common knowledge precluded by only that which is recorded by the academically literate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.65.81 (talk) 05:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC) [edit] Merger proposalI've proposed merging Gammadion into this article. "Gammadion" is just the Greek word of swastika, which is already mentioned here. Steve Dufour (talk) 20:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Wider article?I said re "Merger proposal" immediately above "two topics", and i thus deferred discussing a third parallel one not under discussion, and probably not calling for a third article -- tho the almost certain cultural independence of the 3rd type of swastika may be a good reason for a third article that discusses what the three types have in common.
) has more to do with much of the information processing needed to see them being also valuable for spotting bilateral symmetries (note that images with strict bilateral symmetry with respect to at least two intersecting axes have some kind of rotational symmetry). [edit] Origins versus speculation versus huh?Regarding: In Life's other secret, Ian Stewart suggests the ubiquitous swastika pattern arises when parallel waves of neural activity sweep across the visual cortex during states of altered consciousness, producing a swirling swastika-like image, due to the way quadrants in the field of vision are mapped to opposite areas in the brain.<ref>Stewart, Ian. ''Life's Other Secret: The new mathematics of the living world'' 1999 Penguin</ref> [edit] Estimated age.While there's obviously no definitive date for the origin of the swastika, would anyone have a reliable source for the estimated age of the oldest known instance(s) of the symbol? "Neolithic India" suggests 12,000 to 7,000 BCE, but a more precise date would be much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.59.92 (talk) 04:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC) "Neolithic India" was completely unsourced, and an apparent driveby-addition. The oldest attestation the article is aware of is from the 5th millennium BC Vinca script. --dab (𒁳) 11:39, 5 November 2008 (UTC) [edit] SlavicSwastika was used in Polish army as well as by normal people, for example writers, explorers etc. More information about this can be found in Polish Wikipedia together with references and even photos of swastika usage in Poland. --Krzyzowiec (talk) 21:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC) [edit] alt codeWhat is it? 24.188.131.228 (talk) 23:29, 21 October 2008 (UTC) [edit] Article deteriorationThe article has deteriorated badly since I've last seen it. We may want to review past revisions, and perhaps revert to the featured version. --dab (𒁳) 11:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Part of the problem was that the ToC structure was completely garbled and unintuitive, encouraging the addition of random trivia in random parts of the article. I hope that my recent edits have solved this. The ToC now proceeds in logical and chronological steps from
I have also removed some long-standing unreferenced stuff. One of the main problems of this article is that people keep on inserting random trivia related to the countless instances of Western use of the Swastika in the early 20th century. Such additions should be either reverted or moved to the dedicated article on sight in the future. --dab (𒁳) 10:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC) [edit] Baltics?In the article it mentions that the swastika is widely used in the Baltics. While that is true, the article only refers to Latvia which isn't explicitally stated there. The only way I knew that is because I am Latvian. Does anyone familiar with Lithuanian culture want to write a quick bit about how it is used in Lithuania? Bigbobo1 (talk) 22:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC) [edit] Steven Heller on the redemption of the SwastikaI think Steven Heller's book on the Swastika has a significance which A10203040 may have overlooked. First, Heller is one of the foremost experts on graphic design - see Steven Heller (graphic design) for his biography. Second, his book is one of the very few which is devoted to the use of the Swastika itself, in all its manifestations. It comes top of an Amazon search by relevance, for instance. It has been published by a mainstream publisher in the US and in Europe, and has gone to a second edition. Finally, the idea that the Swastika is beyond redemption is its central argument, not just something put in incidentally in one section. In light of that, I have put the mention back in because it adds something significant to the article; it may be though that it is better not in the title. Sam Blacketer (talk) 20:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC) I think it should be out of the article altogether. Opinion on a topic is no justification for personal inclusion in a topic. Even if said person has published a number of books on said topic. DavidApi (talk) 22:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] The ultimate meaning of the swastikaEvery Internet site describing the swastika states: “The swastika encompasses the entire mystery of the universe and its hidden meaning is unknown”. Researchers of many countries have given various interpretations of the swastika. For example, the swastika has been interpreted as the symbol of the unity of the 4 fundamental interactions of the modern theoretical physics—gravitation, electromagnetism, weak interaction and strong interaction. Another hypothesis identifies the swastika as the symbol of the principle of complementarity of Niels Bohr while another states that the swastika is the root of the genetic code. None of them has been able to precisely define the ultimate meaning of the swastika as they are far from the nature of the swastika. The actual secret of the swastika in its inner nature. In Khovd aimag (province in Mongolia) where I was born, the only cave in Asia preserving 20,000-15,000 years old upper Palaeolithic rock paintings presevres the first ever image of the swastika. Swastika is an abstract symbol encompassing the entire movement of the universe. The basics of the movements of the micro, macro and mega worlds projected onto a 2-dimensional plane is the swastika. Thus, the 4 larger arms of the Milky Way Galaxy connected to the galactic nucleus depicted as straight lines turn into the swastika. Every particle of the universe exists in a continuous motion and each particle is a combination of a clockwise and counterclockwise rotations. This point is depicted in details in my book “Сансарын ээж аавын явдлыг ухаарахуй” (“Understanding the deeds of Sansar’s mother and father”). The symbolic form of these two movements is the swastika where the clockwise turning swastika (right-handed) is called “the masculine swastika” and the counter-clockwise turning swastika (left-handed) is called the “the feminine swastika”. Thus, the swastika depicts the motion of each particle in the universe. The internal nature of the swastika is in its nucleus, or centre, and the 4 arms are the result of a combination of the centrifugal and centripetal movements. The essence of the 4 arms forming the nucleus at their junction is the directions of their motions. Therefore, the direction of the movement of the masculine or right-handed swastika and the direction of the movement of the feminine or left-handed swastika explained separately will represent the secret of the swastika ultimately unveiled. The two main directions of the right-handed and left-handed swastikas are clockwise and counter-clockwise, and therefore, we shall examine these two opposite rotations. Once the secret of the swastika is in its centre or in itself, the two opposite rotations of the swastika are in an integral unity as the swastika symbolizes these two turbulences. Therefore, if one of the directions of rotation is interpreted then the explanation for the other direction should become unveiled. Because the hub of the swastika is a merger of the centrifugal and centripetal rotations, one of the two directions of rotation—clockwise and counter-clockwise—should be centrifugal and the other should be centripetal. Centrifugal movement leads to loss of energy while centripetal movement leads to accumulation of energy. This is yet with considerations that the Universe is a closed system with unity of its beginning and end because the greatest is simple and unique. Therefore, we shall first examine the direction of the rotation of the right-handed swastika which is the clockwise rotation. Under the principle of the greatest being simple, the simple phrase “rotating clockwise” encompasses the entire essence of the clockwise motion and therefore, we shall search for the meaning of this phrase. Clockwise rotation is a movement following the sun. However, it is not the Sun but the Earth rotates according to the universal principle of relativity. The Earth, however, rotates counter-clockwise. Furthermore, under the principle of the greatest being simple, the Earth does not escape the Solar System, and therefore, as we see, the direction of its centripetal movement around the Sun is counter-clockwise. THIS IS A UNIQUE DISCOVERY. This is described in the beginning of my book as the third of the 4 principles that have never been expressed before anywhere else. Put differently, EVERY PARTICLE WITH HIGH ENERGY IS HAPPY AND, IN CONTRARY, EVERY PARTICLE WITH LOW ENERGY SUFFERS. In order to accumulate high energy, it is necessary to move towards the centre and, therefore, to move counter-clockwise. In contrary, clockwise movement results in loss of energy. This is a GREAT DISCOVERY, which wasn’t made by any scholar, by any guru of any religion, by any enlightened being, by any civilisation, by any planet or by the entire humankind before. Finally concluding, the direction of the rotation of the left-handed swastika, which is the counter-clockwise direction, is centripetal and is the essence of the entire positive (+ or good) energy of the Universe. In contrary, the direction of the rotation of the right-handed swastika, which is the clockwise direction, is centrifugal and is the essence of the entire negative (+ or bad) energy of the Universe. In other words, the root of turning the “merciless and suffering world” into a “merciful and happy world” is the counter-clockwise rotation or the direction of the left-handed swastika. The ultimate secret of the swastika unveiled by: Head of the National White Swastika Movement of the Mongols, Head of the “Eternal Mother Sun” Group of the Mongols, Shaman Ih Hoid Munkhtuvshin Ganbold 22 September 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tulga11 (talk • contribs) 06:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC) [edit] Too many imagesI agree with dab above that this article suffers from bloat and is deteriorating in quality. Not too long ago I removed a bunch of images and put them into a gallery so they would not stack in higher resolutions. Now it seems the problem has returned and even the use of such galleries is questioned. I think galleries should stay, at least people can add their images without cluttering the article... because nobody uses the commons anyway. But that is a whole 'nother discussion. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 18:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC) we already have a gallery-building effort, at commons:Swastika. People interested in this should work on that page. There is absolutely no need to reproduce the same thing here. --dab (𒁳) 12:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC) [edit] This article should not be objective.When the author claims: "It amuses me that the Germans were goose-stepping under Polish symbolism during the second world war. They have unbeknown to themselves bowed to Polish cultural superiority. Most people who have suffered from the excesses of the Nazis will relish this finding!" It is clear the author has an objective view on this subject. Wikipedia is about non-objective fact finding. We need to remember this and keep our feelings about academic subjects to ourselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.181.80 (talk) 19:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Krzyż SwastykaThe person criticising my article on the SWASTIKA (CROSS OF SWASTIK) and criticised me for being OBJECTIVE has confused the concept of OBJECTIVITY and SUBJECTIVITY!!! Please!!! Objectivity is precicely what is reqired!!! My article is indeed OBJECTIVE as it should be!!! The source of amusement at the German unfortunate circumstance is not unfounded. The Germans as a result of their arrogance had been made fools of in a horrible way. The NAZI party is a secret SATANIC organisation that the Germans, or indeed the world, don't understand and which was used to exploit the Germans ability at war, to kill people. These are facts. My understanding of this symbolism is indeed valid but new and the critic of my article has understood nothing. The end result is that the whole article on the KRZYSZ ŚWIATOWIDA (SWASTYKA) is a childish twaddle, I appoligise for the strong language. It is obvious that the symbol is European based, Hitler would not have borrowed it from the Indians if he wanted to enguage in his superiority twaddle! Unfortunately neither he or his satanic backers or anybody since has any real concept as to what is involved. I hope that my insights which I have passed on will in spite of everything start to throw some real light on the whole matter. The business of quoting existing literature is no doubt a safety factor for an Encyclopedia and helps introduce stability into the articles. It is however also a severe limitation. It means that the Encyclopedia in some cases takes on a naiive or invalid stand and as a result is never cutting edge knowledge. Unfortunatively it also means that the Encyclopedia can take on a stand that is invalid in the face of new knowledge. By the way my view was the traditional one such as yours, some dacades back. Then on touring Poland I had the good fortune to view some archeological findings where this cross figures prominantly. The presence of this cross in Polish archeology made me very angry, but the archeologist assured me that the symbol was indeed Slovonic! I did'nt believe him. It is only as I started to study the matter later and after I became interested in the Slovonic faith did I get a deeper understanding and was able to cofirm his decleartion. The link to India does not surprise me. A lot of the Indian Gods are Polish!!! This is also a long story, so we will leave it for later. Regards. Antone1 (talk) 17:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Antone1, it is unclear what you want here. Please note that this page is dedicated to discussions pertaining to the improvement of Wikipedia's Swastika article. Postings without any perceptible relevance will be removed, per WP:TALK. Judging from your comments above, you could learn a lot by actually sitting down and just reading the article as it stands at present. Edits such as this one are utterly unacceptable, already because they ignore WP:CITE. Whatever it is you want to add to the article, make sure you have a quotable source you can present first .--dab (𒁳) 16:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC) [edit] Pre-Nazi German UsageThe documentary Den blodiga tiden states that the swastika was the symbol of Lanz von Liebenfels from whom a young Hitler purchased some of his first racist pamphlets; however, Weimar paramilitary groups#Freikorps indicates that Marinebrigade Ehrhardt was the first to use the swastika, implying that they were using it long before the Nazi Party. This photo appears to confirm this, but I am not certain that this (1) is actually a picture of Marinebrigade Ehrhardt or (2) when the photo was taken. Here's another photo claimed to be from the Kapp Putsch (You can see a swastika on the side of the truck.) A third supporting photo is also available. Swastika#As the symbol of Nazism suggests several additional possible prior German uses, such as "a symbol of German völkisch nationalist movements (Völkische Bewegung)"; "its use by the Thule Society"; by the "Order of the New Templars"; by the "Reichsbund Deutsche Jägerschaft (German Hunting Society)"; etc. Does anyone have any additional information? I feel this would make a valuable addition to this article. Squideshi (talk) 03:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC) [edit] Heard that FYLFOT is suppossewd to be the "GOOD" Swastika Good Luck etcHeaard that the so called FLYFOT Swastika is suppossed to be the more fortunate Swastika.Also, seen in mystic supplies materials four right angle lines either inside a Circle or Diamond Forming a Swastika illussion is this aa genuine Swastika symbol? Thanks!Andreisme (talk) 23:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC) please read the article. --dab (𒁳) 12:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC) [edit] Theosophical SociotyThere is no Aum in the symbol for the Theosophical Socioty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.247.42.23 (talk) 05:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC) perhaps you should tell the Theosophical Society about this, as they clearly assume there is.[19] --dab (𒁳) 12:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC) [edit] Additional merge proposalWhile there's already a mergal proposal, I suggest we also look at merging the Sauwastika article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauwastika As most of it's info is already covered in the Swastika article. If the decision is to not merge, then all information in the Swastika article that is about the Sauwastika symbol should be removed and placed in the Sauwastika article, and vice-versa. 24.190.34.219 (talk) 16:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Washington Charcrete Co. Swastika logoThe image is of a logo from the Washington Charcrete Co. taken from a concrete utility sink. The logo is an oval 8" by 4 1/4" featuring a 2 1/8" swastika in the center that was apparently stamped into the concrete. The upper part of the logo contains the text "WASHINGTON" along the inner curve of the oval border. Also following the inner curve of the oval beneath the swastika is the text "CHARCRETE CO". The text "TRADE" and "MARK" appear on left and right of the central swastika defining a horizontal line through the axis of the oval. The sink is from a house in Seattle, state of Washington, USA. The house was built in 1910 but was probably moved to its current foundation sometime before 1938. File:WashingtonCharcreteSink.JPG —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnfravolda (talk • contribs) 20:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC) please take this sort of thing to Western use of the Swastika in the early 20th century. --dab (𒁳) 11:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC) [edit] Finnish swastikasWhile the article widely tells about the modern use of swastikas in general in Finland, it doesn't mention that Nazi swastikas are strongly resisted, like all the Nazi symbolism. For example, there is a country-wide moral panic in newspapers if anyone shows any type of Nazi flag, with or without swastika. (For example: [20][21]) The swastika as a geometric shape, however, is not the problem with nazi symbolism, but nazism itself is the reason of these moral panics. There is a swastika in the presidential flag and air forces flags, for example, but morally and culturally that is a totally different symbol than any nazi symbol. So Finland is similar to other Western countries in its attitude towards nazism and nazi symbolism, but not similar in its attitude towards non-nazi uses of swastika. This should be somehow mentioned in the article so that Finland is not represented in misleading way. Tuohirulla puhu 09:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Revised InformationThe picture of Matilde E. Moisant alleged that Werner Voss was a German-Jew. This is just wrong. I cannot put it anymore bluntly than that. Any Great War aviation enthusiast has heard statements that Voss was a German-Jew, but no evidence has ever been produced to confirm such claims. Hence, I have removed it from the caption. If anyone would like to talk about this further, I suggest they visit The Aerodrome and search the forum archives for this info. Fritz Beckhardt we KNOW had Jewish roots. The information regarding their paint schemes is otherwise correct, however; there's a well-known photo of Voss, for example, painting his Albatros D.III (making a white outline around the red heart with a swastika clearly visible just aft of it). 65.255.147.8 (talk) 01:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] IsraelWhat is the legal status of the swastika in Israel? --88.78.238.243 (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC) [edit] Kuna Yala FlagThe Kuna Yala flag a province in Rep of Panama have a swastika. a comment to that will be very good —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayeco (talk • contribs) 08:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC) [edit] sourse 33This is supposed to be a Reliable source? It's utter BS written by a crazy RuSSian nazi. What do you think about this: "The picture of Oleg's shield is on the left below" And no picture to be found anywhere. This fkn idiot doesn't prove his own claims: "Sanskrit used by modern Indians (Sic!) descended from the Ancient languages of Slavs-Aryans" He thinks that Russian verb "tikat'" is etymologically linked to "Arctic" and mystical. "Slavs have been using swastika through all their existance, according to the last data it's not less than 15 thousand years" "People in Tibet and India are still saying that swastika was brought to them from behind the northern mountains by white teachers-Slavs" Isn't it all too much crap for a "reliable source"? This guy obviously needs to have his head examined —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.69.249.229 (talk) 15:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC) Categories: Wikipedia former featured articles | Featured articles that have appeared on the main page | B-Class Version 0.5 articles | Social sciences and society Version 0.5 articles | B-Class Version 0.7 articles | Social sciences and society Version 0.7 articles | B-Class Hinduism articles | High-importance Hinduism articles | B-Class Jainism articles | High-importance Jainism articles | B-Class Jewish history-related articles | Unknown-importance Jewish history-related articles | B-Class Buddhism articles | Unknown-importance Buddhism articles | Selected anniversaries (September 2007) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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