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[edit] Shortening/Reorganization

I think it would be best to cut down on ethnic stereotypes by cutting down on the info of ethnical stereotypes that have separate articles already, to quite possibly 1-2 sentences. Ethnicals are really hogging up all the space in this article, and if need be, might as well just take out all the individual sections on specific ethnicities, and just have one main section for ethnic stereotypes, with a link to the ethnic stereotype article.

We could also place etymology of stereotypes on top, as it usually is in other developed articles. Zanibas (talk) 06:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Globalisation template

Added globalisation template. Many of the references and perceptions are related to a US centric view. Examples include the primary stereotype of 'blacks' being focused on African-americans, and the stereotypes of white Americans including very little of outsiders perceptions. Stereotypes of Americans from poorer, middle eastern and asian countries are probably worth including Clovis Sangrail (talk) 02:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The white stereotype section should be removed

Not a single stereotype it mentions is racial. The stereotypes it mentions are either national or based on something like hair color. Unlike the stereotypes of blacks or asians those stereotypes don't applie to the entire white race. Those should be consider national stereotypes.YVNP (talk) 04:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed the white stereotypes section

Of course there are stereotypes of nations that are mostly white but that isn't a stereotype of white people. Are "Jamaican" stereotypes black stereotypes? Are Ethiopian stereotypes black stereotypes? How about Nigerian stereotypes? If we did this for every race it would be overloaded. Even worse listing every stereotype of every white ethnicity/nationality/hair type/subculture shows there aren't any white stereotypes. How can you be stereotyped by race if people acknowledge you for non-racial characteristics? I also notice little if any reliable sources. YVNP (talk) 01:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The section has been reinserted. Maybe we could rename the section to stereotypes by nations or national stereotypes, and put white stereotypes in a separate section. Cenarium ^Talk 15:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Long list of racial and ethnic stereotypes

The section, "Racial and ethnic stereotyping" is huge and will only grow larger as more examples are added. Rather than listing all the stereotypes that can be found in human cultures, I think this would be a stronger article if it focused on general principles of stereotypes, and the way they form and change over time. I propose that we move the content of this section to a new article called Racial and ethnic stereotypes or perhaps List of racial and ethnic stereotypes. Then we can begin to work on the article Stereotypes by clarifying issues, inserting relevant research from sociology and psychology, etc. Any opinions? --Jcbutler (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sex/gender stereotype section

This section needs serious expansion... way to short and shallow to cover such a contentious and important issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajcslr22 (talk • contribs) 05:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "English Rose" section

Katie Price glamorous? Seriously? 62.24.202.164 (talk) 18:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Positive english stereotyping

Are there any positive cases of British stereotyping or are we just known as colonialist, business obsessed bastards (to put it politely)? There has to be some good case of stereotyping! For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 17:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's one: all British accents are sexy. 31dusk (talk) 03:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)31dusk

[edit] Review the perspective

This article is seriously long, is seriously overlinked and links out of the context of the article (WP:CONTEXT). If trying for a encyclopaedic perspective there would seem the need to pull back and review what is looking to be done if you are looking for an effective and an article that is going to be read. From my quick scan it is not a matter of more content on this page, it is more about relevance and brevity. -- billinghurst (talk) 15:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] is this NPOV?

"Everyone should be considered an individual who is not burdened with the problems of others involved in a stereotype"

If I understood it correctly, I do agree with that statement, but it doesn't sound very neutral to me. Rncyclopedias shouldn't tell people how to behave, right? --TiagoTiago (talk) 00:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Stereotype of Soviet People

Stereotypes of soviet people are very popular in a movies about War World 2 or Cold War. Add some details about this? Also please add some details about Kazakh people because a lot of people seen movie Borat?

TOVARISH Za matushu Rassiu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.142.54.66 (talk) 05:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Stereotypes about russian people LogicMagic (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Swearing Stereotype of the Scots

Should it not be mentioned that Scots have a swearing stereotype, quite possibly emphisised by the likes of the almighty Billy Connoly and Gordon Ramsey? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.214.222.47 (talk) 22:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

What about the stereotype around red heads having bad tempers. You know the simplistic notion that because the hair on their heads is the colour of fire red heads must logically have fiery tempers. Swering is misspelt, it's swearing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.61.125 (talk) 18:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Can anything be done to rescue this article?

This article is getting larger by the day, yet remains largely uncited and full of POVs and facts verging on personal anecdotes. It starts off well and has some good material at the start, but most of the later sections reads badly, with lots of 'Also' sentences. I'm going to have a run through it shortly and do a radical cropping on all the dubious and trivial stuff that is uncited. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 11:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more. I think we should delete all the "examples of stereotypes" and require references for everything else. Otherwise the article is completely unmanageable and a constant invitation for people to add their versions of every stereotype known to humanity. As it is, the article is full of garbage. --Jcbutler (talk) 15:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I've begun with a pass through the lower sections cropping out a lot of stuff to abbreviate things. I don't think anything of value has been removed. What's left still needs a lot of work, but it's a start. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 23:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that the examples need to be culled if they're not going to be edited. Stereotypes differ according to who's telling them (obviously), e.g. here and here. Perhaps if there are sources, a few examples could be collated and put in as "US stereotypes" or something similar; perhaps it could be spun off into a US humour article. The point being atm the article is just a bucket for everyone to empty their own views into. 118.90.61.58 (talk) 21:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The examples section probably needs to be deleted. It is crammed with original resarch and has just become a general spot for people to add their own personal opinions on what is or isn't a stereotype. If it was removed this article would be a lot shorter, but it would make it a great deal more encycopedic. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 00:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I've done a further removal of the uncited sections. There are still a few sub-standard sections in there, but at least they have cites. I also removed what appeared to be an attempt to racially group the stereotypes, which seemed to me to be stereotyping in itself. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It is a great improvment. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 03:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, great work! II | (t - c) 04:00, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Where is Canada?

Where is the Canadian Stereotype section on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.153.243 (talk) 02:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

As usual, it's hidden in the shadow of the USA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.52.218 (talk) 22:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

wow get over yourself —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.102.251 (talk) 22:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] English Steriotypes

Can I ask where are the English Stereotypes? Every single American movie/TV show you see that has an English person in it speaks like the Queen or with a Cockney accent. You would have thought with the import of shows like Red Dwarf and Monty Python would teach that there is a huge variety of accents in the UK, we are not limited to just two.194.81.189.20 (talk) 15:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

no you don't only see those kinds of accents in the media and we don't think you all speak that way. that's just yet another example of a stereotype —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.102.251 (talk) 22:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] East Asian Stereotyping as Effeminate

Every country I have lived in Europe or have been to in Europe and North Africa negatively stereotype East Asian men as being all effeminate and conformist like robots. Egypt, Libya, Greece, Denmark, France, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, Scotland, England, Germany, Malta and Belgium, it is a commonly held stereotype in all these countries I have been to that the men of China, Japan, Thailand or anywhere in East Asia are very feminine and quite sexless, very conformist to the point of being easily controlled like robots. This stereotype may not exist in America but it is widely held in Europe and North Africa.

[edit] Irish Stereotypes

The first paragraph of the "Irish stereotypes" section about irish/english stereotyping each other as 'others'. This feels very inacturrate (how ironic). Can somebody consider revising? fabnt (talk) 21:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC) "Benign in comparison to some of the more vulgar generalizations " seems inappropriate, it's not for someone else to call stereotyping benign. Can we rewrite this?

[edit] English prejudice in 1796 was fundamental?

What does that even mean? Fundamental to what? That picture doesn't even show stereotypes from what I can tell, it's just a bunch of people defacating. And the English figure is the most grotesque of all, so I don't see what the point of that image and caption is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.203.166 (talk) 15:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It's stupid and ought to be removed in my opinion. The Squicks (talk) 02:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Atheist Stereotypes

What about atheists being stereotyped as obsessed with making ownage videos on Youtube, and harboring Marxist viewpoints? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.21.245.98 (talk) 08:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Western European stereotypes

I've noticed the long section on stereotypes of white North Americans (obese, gun obsessed, etc) popular amongst white Western Europeans, I just wondered if a section of the stereotype in the opposite direction across the Atlantic might be in order? Such as this from the Bullshit episode Mount Rushmore:

“There's also the other worry that you have no patriotism, sort of your soulless, so you don't really believe in anything or you don't think there's anything unique about your culture that's the kind of feeling that makes you want to move to Europe."

And so on. I must say these Eurotrash stereotypes seem a lot more bigoted than the “fat American” stereotypes. Is there really no place for them in the article? And maybe that might have a link to the proposed anti-atheist stereotypes popular in the US too like this and this and this all taken from the SAME website. There's another page on that website I can't find with a Naziesque cartoon of atheism as “the opiate of the morally corrupt”.

So maybe a section on atheistic Eurotrash stereotypes too? --Simpsons contributor (talk) 18:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Anti-atheist bigots --Simpsons contributor (talk) 18:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Stereotype

YOUR STEREOTYPE INFORMATION IS WRONG.COMPLETELY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.4.96 (talk) 17:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

....ok.... hey where's the british stereotype? I love reading about "how we are" lol. Lu-igi board (talk) 20:07, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

where is the drunken irishmen sterotype? Lu-igi board (talk) 18:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Information on stereotypes in the article need to be cited. Preferably from a good reliable source that discusses the stereotype, rather than just casually uses it. This article has had problems in the past with people just filling it with negative opinions of other nationalities, genders, minorities, etc, with absolutely no evidence that they are notable or verifiable. The article needs to be more than just a random collection of examples of bigotry. It needs to actually discuss the nature of stereotypes, not just be a list of them. So adding "drunken Irishmen" as yet another example, particularly when it is uncited, adds nothing of value to the article. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Not All Stereotypes are bad

Hey all, I think that the page's presentation of stereotypes is far too negative and lacking some degree of neutrality. Stereotypes are a very useful organization tool. Example: Children like to play. That is not a negative use, but a positive use that provides efficiency when communicating.
Daniel McMullen (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Is that really a stereotype? It seems more like a fact to me. C Teng ^[talk] 13:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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