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Contents 1 Note 2 German flag for V-2 launches. 3 Ma-333 ? 4 A-4b(A-9)

[edit] Note

None of the lanches listed meet the inclusion criteria at WP:TLS. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 21:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Some of the newer ones do, but two or three do not. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 12:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 16:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German flag for V-2 launches.

Whilst I acknowledge that post-war Germany was not directly involved in these launches, the rockets were of German origin, and therefore the German flag should appear next to them. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 19:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

This is totally inappropriate. Allied-occupied Germany had nothing to do with these rockets. That flag cannot be used here. Rmhermen (talk) 20:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Where were these rockets designed and produced? --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 23:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly my point. They were not designed or produced in post-war Germany. Rmhermen (talk) 16:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

They were designed and built in Germany. The year is irrelevant, it was still Germany. The flag at the time of launch should be used rather than the flag at the time of production, in order to avoid serious confusion elsewhere. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 18:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

What was the citizenship status, at the time of the launches, of the experts conducting the launches? Were they not at that time citizens of Allied-occupied Germany? (sdsds - talk) 00:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

The largest numbers would have been American servicemen, smaller numbers of American scientists, and a smaller yet number of Operation Paperclip personnel - some of whom were almost certainly American citizens by 1952 when the last launch happened. However the equipment was built by the Nazis with replacement parts and add-ons built by the U.S. - nothing to do with post-war Germany. Rmhermen (talk) 18:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

• It was a German rocket, designed by German engineers. / would be acceptable to me as a compromise. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 23:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The post-war flag is what is wrong. They were not built by the post-war Germany. If it has to have a flag it should be the Nazi one. Rmhermen (talk) 03:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The flag of Germany had changed by then, so as I explained earlier, the flag of Germany at that time should be used. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 06:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Germany as it was at the time of launches had nothing to do with the rockets - it is far more than just a change in flags. So there is no reason to include its flag. Rmhermen (talk) 13:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Where would you propose to draw the line? Should current Soyuz launches display a Soviet flag? --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 15:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Current Soyuz capsules are made by the Russians - not using old Soviet material and Russia clearly has everything to do with the rockets, the personnel and the launches. Allied-controlled Germany had nothing to do with the V-2 launches - no government support, no industry involvement, no official personnel - no reason to use that flag. Rmhermen (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

But it was the form, at that time, for the country of origin. --GW_Simulations_{User Page | Talk} 20:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Why German flag should be used at all? The rockets were property of the USA and the USSR and no inter-government agreement was in force between these countries and Germany. And of course, using German post-war flag is a nonsence, it makes false impression that the launches were in cooperation with post-war German government.--MathFacts (talk) 08:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No it doesn't. That flag is clearly indicated to refer to the country which designed and produced the rocket. It would be misleading to suggest that the V-2 was developed elsewhere. --GW… 08:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It does. My first impression when I came to this article was that it intends to say the launches were in cooperation with post-war Germany.--MathFacts (talk) 08:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think you just misinterpreted the table. Out of interest, what would be your proposed "solution" this this? --GW… 09:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I prefere no to include German flag at all as the launches were not international projects. For example, USS DeKalb (ID-3010) is labelled with US flag, not German one (despite being constructed in Germany). Who made V-2 is well known and written in the respective article. But this list is not about rockets, it's about launches.--MathFacts (talk) 09:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

That field is about the rocket. The nationality of the design is valid information. --GW… 12:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ma-333 ?

What is Ma-333 ?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.232.124.81 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 29 June 2009

• The designation of that flight. --GW… 09:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] A-4b(A-9)

Including of flights of A-4b(A-9) need.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.232.124.81 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 29 June 2009

• No. They didn't reach space. --GW… 09:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)