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Contents 1 Integrate his non-Music Life 2 Chappelles Show 3 Move request 4 70.60.93.151 5 Finances 6 bad boys of comedy 7 Come with me 8 NPOV 9 P Diddy 10 The Lox publishing dispute 11 Hmm 12 PE 2000 remix 13 Second Child 14 Changing his name again 15 Image 16 Grammys 17 "Controversy" 17.1 2006 CMA's Awards 17.2 "Glass eye" 18 For some reason... 19 Kim Porter? 20 Create Disambiguation? 21 Manchester United 22 Details about reason behind name change to P.Diddy? 23 Diddy And His Songs 24 umm 25 Silly Nicknames 26 Lots of vandalism 27 Hip-Hop Wealth 28 WTF 29 Racoon dogs? 30 New nickname? 31 Article quality and content 32 Christian Album 33 Clean Up 34 Blog 35 Political Views 36 Pls fix 'Personal Life' section 37 Diss song 38 is this a fan club page or an encyclopedia?? 39 Criticism 40 Citation style 41 Diddy as 007? 42 There should be a controversy section

[edit] Integrate his non-Music Life

I felt a little betrayed and confused (a little), when I finished this article, had this puzzle constructed in my head, and then saw the Other section, which has crucially important info in it but has been somehow relegated to second-tier simply because it wasn't about Puffy's brief music career. This article is not about his music career--anything noteworthy in his life should be in it. (And frankly, his songs that don't hit the top 40 merely dilute the article, too.) His clothing label is one of the more noteworthy things he's done in the last 5 years, so to relegate it to a miscellaneous Other section doesn't make sense. Right now he's praised in the abstract for his work in the mid-90s, and then the last 10 years are all about crime and punishment, while in actuality, he got famous in the last 10 years after being a pop-star in the mid 90s. It's like taking an article on Madonna and putting everything past 1990s Vogue as an epilogue. -User:mrcolj 71.37.94.102 13:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chappelles Show

Someone wrote:

In Chappelle's Show, there is a Making The Band 2 skit with Chappelle as Combs, a lazy, childish, flamboyantly gay, cookie loving, milk obsessed, hilarious producer. Combs is trying to get the members to do their freestyles but they failed because of arguments in the studio. (Which did happen in the real show but the skit shows it hysterically)

This is a very poor section, and I removed it. The skit is not notable enough to Diddy's career to bear mentioning in his article. Furthermore, it is clearly NPOV and obviously unnecessary. I added a note to allude to it, but no critique of the show. L.A.F.

Let's take off the phrase "well known." The Chapelle Show is a hit in certain demographics, but isn't big enough to have anything considered "well-known." 71.37.94.102 13:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Move request

This guy's changed his stage name so often (Puff Daddy, P. Diddy, and as of two days ago, Diddy) that moving the article to his birth name seems like the only sensible course of action. Bear in mind he's no Bono or Madonna—his birth name has become quite broadly known. This has been especially true in recent years, as the popularity of his Sean John label, his various political activities, and of course all this stage name switching has led to most press coverage referring to him specifically as Combs. -The Tom 05:26, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

• Support. "Diddy" is certainly not the most commonly known name. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:53, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
• Against. "Diddy" is his name as an artist, and that's his choice...not ours. If that's what he wants to be called professionally, then that's how he should be listed. BigGuy219 19 August 2005
• Support. Every news story about him invariably uses some nickname (which varies) plus his legal name, which has not. CDThieme 05:58, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Use his real name, as his nicknames do vary quite a bit. – AxSkov (☏) 07:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Diddy is definately not the most common name. Agree with most other comments above. Jonathunder 17:48, 2005 August 21 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Please clean up the references in the article itself and the remaining double redirects (I have changed the most important ones). Dragons flight 15:05, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 70.60.93.151

Naming Names should be cleaned up. Combs should be called by his given last name. All informal nicknames or performance names such as "Puffy", "P. Diddy", and "Puff Daddy" should be replaced with "Combs" where possible.

That would be quite repetitive. Combs could be used in the first instance in each paragraph, and then the artist name of the time. --Erri4a - [[User talk:Erri4a|Say what?]] 22:36, 25 Sepember 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finances

I've heard that Sean Combs has done very well for himself, especially with his clothing line. Does anyone have info on his financials? Vicarious 16:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] bad boys of comedy

there should be some mention of his attempt to be def comedy jam--Jaysscholar 19:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Come with me

The other day I heard a different song with the same tune as Come with me, and was told it was pretty old. Any info on it? Hackwrench 15:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

It's Kashmir, by Led Zeppelin. Eixo 15:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

In the section titled : Other work.

This should be a quote of someone who is influential or simply be removed. This is NPOV " he is also one of the most despised. Some have argued that he is perhaps the worst thing that has ever happened to hip hop. " I will rephrase. Thanks.

--- This whole piece is NPOV. If you just arrived from mars, you would have no chance whatever to understand what makes mr Combs important. The first sentence gives it all away ("CEO" ? Please; get another claim to fame). I am no "hater" of this man, but if this biography was written about a company, it would not have stood for long. So if we grant the man a ceo/entrepenour status, perhaps wikipedia shoudl treat him like one in its writeup? Or maybe we should tell people that this is a popular music singer from the west coast rap tradition who is popular on mtv? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.159.198.156 (talk) 00:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] P Diddy

Combs was soon acquitted of all charges relating to the shooting incident, followed almost immediately by a break-up with Lopez. With the media circus over, Combs changed his stage name to "P. Diddy".

Didn't he change his name well before then? I believe Jennifer Lopez and he changed their names simultaniously to J Lo and P Diddy? In the meantime I'll citation it. 211.30.80.121 23:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Lox publishing dispute

Perhaps the Controversy section should include something about The Lox's dispute over publishing rights with Combs, which was recently settled, see [1].

[edit] Hmm

Not too sure Diddy is a "gay musician". Vandalism?Extenebris 11:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

lol, i think so.. how can anyone who's been with lopez be gay..

Publicity!!!!!!????????????? gav 19th august 2006

[edit] PE 2000 remix

could anyone tell me if the neptunes remix of PE 2000 was on the PE 2000 single? (can be heard here.) 23:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second Child

Why doesn't this article state that he and his model girlfriend are pregent with their second baby? Lil Flip246 16:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changing his name again

Well, in the UK at least.[2] violet/riga (t) 15:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It would be helpful if the article could cite anything known about how he chose these names. Wasn't the "puff" a reference to (pick one) smoking crack or the report of a gun, which is why he abandoned it after the big incident? --Dhartung | Talk 20:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I would say in the article we should refer to him as "Combs" rather than Diddy, since: 1) there is no one of his nicknames that is predominant across his entire career; and 2) it sounds more encyclopedic in tone. --Delirium 02:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Someone with the right software could get a free picture of Combs from Rocketboom's 2006 Time 100 at http://www.rocketboom.com/vlog/archives/2006/05/rb_06_may_09.html --Erri4a - [[User talk:Erri4a|Say what?]] 22:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Current image can't possibly be right. Maybe it's one from his youth but he still looks too different.

[edit] Grammys

The wiki indicates that he won 9 grammys, but shows only 3 specific wins. Grammy wins are important enough to be listed in completion in a biography.

[edit] "Controversy"

I don't think it makes sense to mention his minor conflict with 50 Cent, seeing as how there is nothing pertaining to the whole Bad Boy/Death Row situation, or the dispute he had with Jadakiss, Styles, etc. I realize the media was hungry for a "beef" and tried to make it seem like it was more than what it really was (which forced 50/Puff to downplay it everytime it was brought up), but still... :\

[edit] 2006 CMA's Awards

P. Diddy had a controversial reaction, when he lost a Country Music Award to Carrie Underwood. He swore many times, threw a glass of water to an operator, then a glass vase very close to him, then he finished with "and gimme the f***ing award, you country ****** *******" or something like that. This video feature has been uploaded to YouTube. It must be there at the Controversy section, because I think it made strong reactions. 86.101.211.226 16:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Glass eye"

How is his having a glass eye controversial? Ghilz 03:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont ever remember P. Diddy being crucified in the "Hate Me Now" video. I only remember Nas being crucified near the end. Although im fairly sure Diddy wasnt, someone check up on this. BishopTutu 07:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For some reason...

For some reason, whenever I come to this page, it's vandalized in SOME way. I'm going to put it on watch. If any more vandalism occurs, I'll see to it that the page gets locked. DrowningInRoyalty

Heh, I thought to myself how hilarious it would be to write an entire section on his "Proactiv Solutions" commercial. Something like "P. Diddy is a big supporter of Proactiv Solutions acne medication, and quote 'Didn't want no bumps on my face. I'm going to be straight up with you. You know what I mean?' and additionally likes it because it enables him to 'preserve my sexy, you know what I'm saying?'" Just a thought. I guess that would be vandalism though.

Even though this is kinda off topic can someone help the new list of best-selling remix albums worldwide with its structure.

[edit] Kim Porter?

Why is Kim Porter redirected to this page? Is this not the same Kim Porter from "Wicked Wicked Games" on My Network TV? Brian25j 17:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that's his wifes name.

[edit] Create Disambiguation?

As most Sun readers in the UK will know, as well as fans of Scottish football team Gretna FC, Puff Daddy is also the nom de plume of billionaire Brooks Mileson.

Should a disambiguation page not therefore be created... so that when people type in Puff Daddy they can either choose between Sean Combs or Brooks Mileson? Tris2000 17:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it true he is of somali origin? i have heard this rumour many times march 7 2007

Hell no he isn't. He is what he looks like: African American. 74.12.222.149 (talk) 00:29, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

LOL, and on what continent do you think Somalia is then, Mr 74.12.222.149??  ;-) Tris2000 (talk) 17:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Manchester United

THIS ARTICLE SHOULD INDICATE ABOUT P DIDDY'S SUPPORT FOR MAN UTD.

HE HAS CONNECTIONS WITH WAYNE ROONEY N RIO FERDINAND.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.3.20.234 (talk) 23:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Details about reason behind name change to P.Diddy?

I vaguely remember that during a larger live event a few years ago, the woman who was responsible for the booking mentioned that she had met Puff Daddy recetly, and that he would change his name to P. Diddy "because Notorious B.I.G. called him by that". Well, that's what I remember. I thought the P. Diddy name didn't sound very serious (even less than Puff Daddy :-)), and I could make out about no rational reasoning for such a name change (although tone and wording of the woman's remark indicated that it was serious). Okay, it actually happend some time later. However, I have not found any definite information about the reason behind his name change and if the claims concerning Notorious B.I.G. are true - only what I might classify as second hand rumors (and this includes my own statements and experiences). It also appears that he used the name P. Diddy earlier in works in which he participated (not sure about that, though). This article obviously tells little about this. Anyone here with some more definite information? --Klaws 21:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diddy And His Songs

I listen to diddy's songs all the time actually i think hes the bomb!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.0.230 (talk) 01:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] umm

no mention of his early career and his break with B.I.G.? 134.69.166.125 10:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silly Nicknames

If I missed it, my apologies - but couldn't find any explanation as to why a seemingly intelligent grown man would give himself such a silly, childish nickname - not once, but twice!

You haven't listened to his intelligent grasp of the geopolitics behind the high price of fuel for his jet. In that one he sounds like a retarded 13 year old. --71.102.254.48 (talk) 07:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lots of vandalism

I just spent 15 minutes cleaning up vandalism and requested temporary page protection. Most of it is traced back to 71.232.243.229 hopefully this is all. :) Yamaka122 ...☑ 20:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Just cleaned up a bit more, namely "N. Diddy", "Notorious N.I.G.", and variations of the n-word. --Patik 02:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hip-Hop Wealth

This article says that Sean Combs is both the second-wealthiest (top of the page) and wealthiest (first paragraph under Controversy) person in the hip-hop business...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.154.15.82 (talk) 22:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WTF

In various places throught the article it says N. Diddy instead of P. Diddy and its fukin pissin me off —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.194.79 (talk) 07:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Well I don't know why it says P. all over the article, it should say N. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.238.85 (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Racoon dogs?

Erm, apparently his jackets featured very real "raccoon dog" fur?

Problem is, there is no such species of dog that is a raccoon dog (as this article states). Besides, that doesn't make any sense to talk about a species of dog. Talking about a certain "breed of dog" makes sense but doesn't apply here. Imagine talking to someone about a specific species of human... jeez....

The news sites/original poster probably almost definitely meant that the coats featured [Tanuki] fur which is commonly referred to as "raccoon dog" and is a fairly common animal in Asia / Japan. It is neither a raccoon or a dog (but it is a canine). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.97.30 (talk) 02:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New nickname?

This article says he denies changing his nickname to Sean John. If so, why has everything been changed to Sean John?68.166.37.220 (talk) 07:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article quality and content

Recent edits, especially placing reference-needed tags, will show that concerns have been raised over this article with respect to the policy on biographies of living persons. Interested editors would be well behooved to address the style of this article, and also to provide references for many, many statements. There is a limited timeframe to address these concerns, maybe two weeks at the most. Following that, large portions of this article are at risk of summary deletion. Articles on living persons need high-quality citations, which in this case should be easy to find for those who are interested in maintaining the article. Thanks in advance for your help! Franamax (talk) 05:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Album

i read somewhere that diddy released a gospel album. is this true and if so should it not be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.131.8 (talk) 00:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

It never materialized, as I recall. Gimmetrow 00:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clean Up

umm, someone apparently vandelized the page. im gonna try and delete the more obvious stuff (like sexual relations with 50 cent) but could someone please go over again and make sure nothing subtle was changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.57.1 (talk) 05:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blog

Please do not start a revert war, the blog is legit, factual, and vital in this individual. It is obviously important enough to be on his website. Lajolla2009 (talk) 06:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Why should we report on what some celebrity says on his blog? Is it central to his notability? Have reliable sources reported extensively on his blogs? And finally, when you restore disputed texts, do not revert every other change made to the article. Gimmetrow 06:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

There is no need for image protection first of all. The reliable sources are obvious as seen in his video, it is Diddy, Sean Combs talking. He also advertises about the blog site in the video. The section is a vital update to his life. Lajolla2009 (talk) 06:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

No. It's almost entirely irrelevant to what he is known for. Has CNN or BBC reported on Combs' blogging? And please explain why you reverted everything else in the process? Gimmetrow 06:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

No. CNN and BBC are not the only reliable resources. His blogging is factual, official, and he wants it to be known. The other reverts are accidents as you can see that I didn't revert to your newest changes. Lajolla2009 (talk) 06:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

There are multiple issues here. First, are Combs' video blogs about politics of any significance? That would be demonstrated by some reliable source like CNN or BBC mentioning Combs' video blogs, say because they actually contributed to political debate or something. Second, if his political views are notable or should otherwise be reported in an encyclopedia, does the paragraph accurately reflect what is said in the video blog? I would say, no: it's misleading and sensationalizes the content. Gimmetrow 07:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The politics blog is just an example of his collection of blogs. That's significant. The sentence did summed up what he wants to say in the blog, note that the other sentences set up for the example as given in his latest commentary blog. Feel free to add everything you believe is said in the blog, if you listen carefully the last sentence was explicitly stated in segments. Lajolla2009 (talk) 07:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Removed "resolved" tag. I still don't find this of any significance. Certainly not enough for a separate section. If he's endorsed some candidates, then just say that in the Personal life section. I also think the blog section still misrepresents what the vlog says, but since I don't think the section should be there at all I'm not overly inclined to "fix" it. Gimmetrow 13:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

The blog is another section that is different from the personal life section. It deserves its own section, I agree with Lajolla2009 Dreamweaver123 (talk) 22:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

The vlog as vlog doesn't seem significant. If his political views are significant, they'll be referenced in other media (BBC, CNN, etc). A separate section? Unless his political views are routinely reported in major media, a separate section would seem likely to give it undue weight. Gimmetrow 22:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

There are furthermore WP:Biography of living persons issues with the text as written that you are edit-warring over. Restoring that exact text rather than discussing it first is, in my opinion, a blockable offense. Gimmetrow 22:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Political Views

I think there should be a section on his political views. He posted a video of himself on YouTube where he says some pretty vulgar things about Sarah Palin. [[3]] has a link to that video. Apparently, he doesn't like Alaska because there aren't any "crackheads" up there; I'm not joking, he actually said that. It's pretty offensive to Alaskans, not to mention women.

I'm not going to add that to the article just yet, but I think it's worth talking about, since there isn't anything on there about his political views at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.29.155.1 (talk) 17:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

He's also "scared" of her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70wGnx_lZio 199.214.26.82 (talk) 23:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pls fix 'Personal Life' section

1) Pls put the info in order. Chance was born in July 2007 so she should be listed followed by the twins.

QUOTE: Combs has never married but is the biological father of five children and one through adoption.
2)Pls fix. Puffy didnt adopt Quincy Brown. He has 5 kids: Justin, Christian,Chance,& twins Dlila,Jessie.
Quincy is Al B Sure's son. He lived with Puffy when his Mom dated him but his Dad is Al B Sure. My proof is in the child support Kim sued 4 she didnt sue 4 Q, just Christian & the twins. My source is the public NY court papers. Kim presumably gets support for Quincy from Al.
Thx. 70.108.110.251 (talk) 13:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Adoption was changed to "association" because the he has not adopted Quincy. However, I don't think that "through association" is clear at all. I changed to the text to "the informal step-father." —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeatheadMathlete (talk • contribs) 02:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Diss song

In no part of the page there is not any kind of information that talk about the spanish song Pi-di-di-di written by Calle 13 dissing him, and the another persons/groups for which he has been dissed along his career —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.76.226.138 (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

That's because it is most likely not notable. The list would be too lengthy if we were to add every diss song about Diddy. Feudonym (talk) 00:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] is this a fan club page or an encyclopedia??

i think this page should get the

This article is written like an advertisement. Please help rewrite this article from a neutral point of view. For blatant advertising that would require a fundamental rewrite to become encyclopedic, use {{db-spam}} to mark for speedy deletion. (March 2009)

treatment. please.

[edit] Criticism

There isn't really a criticism section, is there? No one's said anything bad about him worth knowing? No accusations? No one saying he tried to murder hip-hop? Am I the only one who thinks that? And I don't mean diss songs or beef, I mean things said in interviews or reviews, anything like that. 208.81.93.189 (talk) 10:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Criticism is integrated through the article. Gimmetrow 13:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Citation style

What is the preferred citation format being used on this page? I would like to avoid violating Wikipedia:CITE#Citation_templates_and_tools. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I find manual citations easier to maintain. Since I do most of the maintenance on the article, I prefer no cite templates. Gimmetrow 00:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

So other than no citation templates do you have any preference? Plastikspork (talk) 01:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

A third opinion has been requested upon this page and another, Kimora Lee Simmons. I'd like to point out that the latter page involved three eds, so a 30 is inappropriate. I'd also point out that citations on any page should always follow the format already set up on that page, even if this means that automation is impossible. It's really up to the editor to ascertain the format in use before adding citations (and up to previous editors to be civil and not "own the page"). Other than that, the issue here is hard to fathom. Please contact me on my talk page if this comment is insufficient. Thanks. Redheylin (talk) 00:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure, but it's not clear what citation format is currently being used other than no citation templates. Some citations put the date before the title, some put the date after the title. Some include a period delimiting fields, some omit the period. Some are using bare urls. Reference 25 appears to be broken. I would love to help clean up the references on this page, but I am afraid any work that I do would be immediately reverted. I am awaiting a clarification on what edits I am allowed to make to this page. I am assuming that I am allowed to make edits which conform to the citation style, but the precise citation style is currently not clear. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 05:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Ref 25 was damaged in this edit. Citation style should be pretty clear, but this article is subject to constant vandalism anyway. Dates go after author; if there is no author, then cite starts with title and date goes after that. Gimmetrow 05:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Plastikspork hello! My MO would simply be to make a copy of the topmost reference citation and modify it. Who can blame you then? Happy edits, sorry to hear about the vandalism, hope you all liked my text edit. Redheylin (talk) 21:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

My hope is to get to the heart of the issue with the citations. So far we have established that there should be no citation templates and the rules for location of dates. It appears as though the rules used by the citation template are desired, just not the use of the template in its unsubstituted form. I have a script that fixes punctuation and formatting inconsistencies in citations by first converting them to a citation template. I could easily have it substitute the template instead if I could figure out if that is the desired effect. I did this with the first citation and my change was only partially reverted by the owner of this article so I feel I am getting closer to a solution. Plastikspork (talk) 03:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

There it is - "owner". Go ahead and run your script wherever you want, but the particular issue here is closely related to an old Arb case and is expressed in a long-standing guideline at WP:CITE. Why do you care about the "citations"? I've told you I find it easier to maintain the article without using templates. Nobody else seems to worry about nasty things in an article about a subject with more than enough financial resources to sue Wikipedia into the abyss. So, Plastik, are you going to maintain this article and deal with vandalism daily for the next few years? Gimmetrow 03:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, if owner was the wrong word. I am just trying to figure out how I can help with the formatting of the references. It appears that the format is basically what is produced by the citation template in its substituted form, with the exception of the phrase "Retrieved on" being replaced with "Accessed". Yes, I do plan to help watch this page for vandalism. The more the better. Plastikspork (talk) 04:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Here [4] it says; Each article should use the same method throughout—if an article already has some citations, an editor should adopt the method already in use or seek consensus before changing it.... Templates may be used or removed at the discretion of individual editors, subject to agreement with other editors on the article. Because templates can be contentious, editors should not change an article with a distinctive citation format to another without gaining consensus. That's it really. Not only the format but the method should be agreed first. Redheylin (talk) 19:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Diddy as 007?

They talked about this on the radio. No way that should fly I dont care how much money some one has that dosnt give them the right to distroy a saga. Diddy as James Bond is like Stevie Wounder as Hitler It dosnt make any scence. It needs to be a white british guy like alway or the series will be destroyed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.211.31 (talk) 15:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] There should be a controversy section

There are many claims that P Diddy stole songs from others. Perhaps someone could at least acknowledge these as controversies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.199.105.158 (talk) 08:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)