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[edit] Conjecture on Piazza incidents, error in shutout number

"Clemens threw at and hit Piazza in the head with a pitched ball." "Clemens threw a piece of a shattered bat at Piazza"

These statements are conjecture. "Throw at" implies intent. I happen to believe Clemens did not "throw at" Piazza, he was probably trying to buzz him high and tight, but wasn't intending to hit him.

I also believe he did not throw the bat at Piazza, he just flung it away in disgust, and it happened to pass in front of Piazza. If he'd truly thrown the bat at him, you'd have seen an even more outrageous spectacle.

But, I don't know this, and neither do you. Only Roger knows whether he tried to throw either object at Piazza, and Wiki is no place for either of our conjectures. State the facts only, please.

"During that time they were shut out eight times."

The actual number is nine. (TNM)

I agree...I have read numerous articles on clemens's point of view of the piazza incident, and for one he says, "Everybody remembers the concussion. But nobody remembers that the ball hit the bat before it hit him in the head". Also, he says, "...So I fielded what I thought was a ball, but then threw the bat away in disgust." NOT TO MENTION the fact that the ball had obviously gone foul, and Piazza was running towards first base. "Why was he running to first?", Clemens questions.

[edit] What and Why for Where

In response to Where, the item about carrying luggage was repeated twice in the article. I deleted one of them, and moved the Korean/Japanese comment to "Controversy," rather than "Personal." I also trimmed the June 2006 comeback info; although Clemens' game last night is of current interest, the article is supposed to take a long view. I'm not even sure the result and opponent matters in the context of Clemens' career, but what the heck.

[edit] Free Agent

I don't understand what "per agreement with the infoboxes" means. This is the reason given to remove the fact that he is a free agent along with a source from the prose and the infobox. Is there some policy, guide or essay somewhere that says if someone is a free agent it isn't listed in their article? A new name 2008 (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

There was a huge issue at WP:MLB regarding this. The thing is MLB.com doesnt update its players bios, if you notice here it still says Craig Biggio is a free agent and he retired last year. [1]--Yankees10 00:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is another example John Olerud retired after 05 and he is still listed as a free agent, they clearly dont update there site after the player is a free agent for a while or retires.[2]--Yankees10 00:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Toronto Contract

According to http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/1998/12/03/1998-12-03_clemens_demands_trade__yanke.html Clemens signed a 3/$24.75M deal with Toronto. I also remember the same number from watching the press conference at the time. I think the 4/$40M is off. Philname1 (talk) 16:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Chin Music" and "Dirty Pitching"

It should be mentioned, in any article on MLB pitching, the "tightening" of the strike zone- throwing close pitches to keep a batter off the plate was part of the game for decades. Any pitcher who entered before the 2001 season had to alter, sometimes radically alter, their pitching to account for the new "tighter" strike zone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.245.45.97 (talk) 21:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)