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Etymology: French prolétariat, from Latin proletarius
Petty Bourgeoisie and Middle Class.
[edit] Merge with working classI think this article should be merged with working class and turned into a redirect. As far as I know, "proletariat" is synonymous with "working class" and simply indicates the use of Marxist theory. I think that "proletariat" (or Marxist theory) could be made into a subsection of "working class" and this page could act as a redirect. Other's have suggested merging working class into social class. AdamRetchless 17:20, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] George OrwellThe section on G.Orwell eventually overgrew its relevance to the topic. IMO only the first sentence must be left here. The rest must be moved elsewhere (dictatorship of the proletariat, communist state, whatever). Mikkalai 00:20, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Sophrosune (talk) 16:24, 31 July 2005 (UTC) [edit] Latin originWhile "proletariat" is, of course, nearly always used in a Marxian context in contemporary discourse, this article needs a section explaining its use in the Roman Empire. - Jersyko talk 03:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC) Agreed. There is not even one mention of the proletarii of ancient Rome in this article. 79.146.140.241 (talk) 00:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC) Agreed again. Maybe it should be a separate article from the disambiguation page, but it definitely needs to be referenced on Wikipedia somehow. Eythan91 (talk) 23:31, 2 November 2009 (UTC) [edit] Transformative CharacterWhat about the notion that the proletariat possess a unique place in society in socialist and anarchist theory? That is the proletariat possess the the ability to see past petty advantages and therefore is in the best position to lead society. Nothing in the article about this positive aspect of the class. Could maybe cite Harrington on this, as he has a democratic defense of this aspect of Marxist theory.--Edivorce 17:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC) [edit] DefinitionIt surprises me that the definition at the beginning of the article refers to "lower classes" and makes no reference to labour as a defining feature, save for the phrase "working class". Isn't the fact of surviving by selling one's labour more central than matters of "high" and "low"? --Rrburke 04:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC) [edit] {{OR}}I removed this tag because there was no related reason given when the tag was added, or in the time since.--Bookandcoffee 05:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC) [edit] {{O. Perera philospher?}}It says at the bottom "The famous Sri-Lankan philosopher O. Perera once said during a red-eclipse "Hark! See how the Chinese have captured the moon and claimed it for the proletariat!"" with no reference. A google search can't find anything about this so-called Perera...vandalism? [edit] Labour vs Labour forceIn Marxist theory, labour is not a commodity, and cannot be sold or bought. What proletarians sell is labour force, or labour power, not labour. A quick glance at Das Kapital shows that: Chapter Six: The Buying and Selling of Labour-Power Not the Buying and Selling of Labour. In fact, it is a basic tenet of Marxist theory that, in average, there is no exploitation through mere market mechanisms: all commodities are bought and sold, in average, at their value. If proletarians sold "labour" - if it was even possible to sell labour - then such labour would have to be systematically sold below its value. On the contrary, labour power is sold at its value - the exploitation does not come from the bourgeois "cheating" over the price of a commodity, but from the fact that labour power creates new value when consumed. Ninguém (talk) 00:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes. In Portuguese it is "força de trabalho", which seemed to translate naturally to "labour force". Taking a look at Marx's work, I see the correct English translation for "Produktivkraft der Arbeit" is "labour power". But proletarians definitely do not sell their labour, at least not in Marxist theory. In fact, Marx clearly intended to make this distinction very neat:
189.27.36.154 (talk) 15:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC) [edit] "evicerate the proletariat" quoteDoes anyone know where the phrase "eviscerate the proletariat" comes from? I remember hearing Stewie recite it on Family Guy and thought there might be an underlying historical context. fintler (talk) 17:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Categories: Start-Class organized labour articles | Top-importance organized labour articles | Start-Class sociology articles | Mid-importance sociology articles | Start-Class Philosophy articles | Unknown-importance Philosophy articles | Start-Class social and political philosophy articles | Unknown-importance social and political philosophy articles | Social and political philosophy task force articles | Start-Class Marxism articles | Unknown-importance Marxism articles | Marxism task force articles | Start-Class Modern philosophy articles | Unknown-importance Modern philosophy articles | Modern philosophy task force articles | Start-Class Politics articles | Mid-importance Politics articles | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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