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[edit] Usage

Run a what links here. and one for Organizational learning, self-organization. We'll see what shows up. That might build enough context to create plenary context. I personally do not think average people like the word pedagogy because it reminds them of being put to sleep in class. But I don't see how academia can discuss scientific topics without this term or one like it. Definately this article has plenty of headroom. Quinobi 8 July 2005 15:25 (UTC)

It's interesting that this word has just come into existance. It appears that it was not used before 2000 when it suddenly started appearing in textbook reviews and was added to the American Heritage dictionary. I'll do some more research to see what I can find and return.

It's been in widely accepted use at least since 1970 in Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed. On-line American Heritage Dictionary suggests "pedagogue - A schoolteacher; an educator" was in use as an Old English word, and a quick search on Amazon showed it used by Booker T. Washington in the late 1800's (http://amazon.com/gp/reader/0252005295/ref=sib_books_ref/002-6052067-9864849?ie=UTF8&keywords=pedagogy&v=search-inside) 69.116.61.10 01:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)GW

I doubt on the definition given here. Pedagogy is a more broad term, not for just teaching but also for education and child upbringing and the social conditions in which. See also the german, French and Dutch interwiki's. The term is more common in those languages. My English is not good enough to correct it. --Joep Zander 21:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe this is, in fact, a significant difference in meaning between English and the other languages you list, especially German. (In fact, the French article looks close to the English meaning, and is a better-developed version of roughly the article I think should be here). In English, the word "pedagogy" definitely and distinctly means "teaching." Take a look at Britannica or dictionary.com. In fact, I've doubted in the past the need for a separate article here and one on education. This is a short and stubby article compared to that one, but it's definitely on the right subject, teaching as opposed to child development more broadly. -- Rbellin|Talk 21:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Definitely Pedagogy is not the same as "education"; being the latter the subject matter of the former. At the moment, I am working in expanding this article adding a more precise definition of pedagogy that clarifies the boundaries between pedagogy and other disciplines. Unfortunatelly, as I do not have much time this may take a month or so to be finish. This expansion is being made in my pedagogy sandbox. Feel free to check it and make any suggestions or comments. Gabo Xandre (talk) 18:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] stray content

this: "Dave Weiss' definition- The art or science of teaching(.)" was in the article, doesn't belong there, but perhaps someone knows what it refers to? Brassratgirl 04:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference to Greek tradition

A claim, that "paidagogos" was bringing slave children to school is possibly not correct. If some interpreters say that he brought slave children to school, this should be refferred to. I have information that it was just an old slave who carried child's things (musical instruments etc) on the way to school and looked for him/her, because he didn't do for other work any more, but this child has not to be slave at all. --84.50.147.158 13:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I rewrote the whole section on the Greek tradition, since it was entirely wrong. Jefkakk 22:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lojban

I noticed someone keeps removing the language reference to Lojban. Although I know nothing about it, it does point to a legitimate page and although there are a ridiculously tiny group of speakers it seems a legitimate link. Please discuss here before deleting it again! Thanks! Alex Jackl 05:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge/redirect?

The article indicates that pedagogy means roughly the same as education. The education theory section of education forwards to pedagogy as its main article; this seems strange, considering the lack of meaningful content on this page so far.

What justifies having a second article? Perhaps it would be better to just forward to education? --Andrew Robertson 00:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Pedagogy and education are not the same... Can you point out where in the article it indicates that? Pedagogy is rather the art or science of educating- it is the framework that defines the instructional methods being used. If you use a different pedagogy you might educate differently, take different actions, teach different facts, use different processes, and measure different things in the process of education. Pedagogy certainly deserves its own article! Alex Jackl 04:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

In terms of language at the practical level, virtually the same. It's a very different academic field, though. Pedagogy is the study of teaching itself. Generally, it overlaps with philosophy dep't at the university setting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.68.20.12 (talk) 03:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Greek translation

In the third line of the first paragraph, when the Ancient Greek etymology is given and then dissected, there is an inconsistency between the Greek and the English transliteration. The dissection of the Greek word παιδαγωγέω is shown as παίς + άγω. παίς is transliterated correctly as país, but άγω is transliterated as ági.

If the Greek is correct, then the English should read ágo, but if the English is correct (that is, the Greek word for the verb 'to lead' is ági), then the Greek should read άγι. I don't remember much of my Greek vocabulary, but from what I do remember, the dictionary form of most verbs ended in ω, meaning the English transliteration should be changed.

Can someone please confirm this? If the Ancient Greek verb 'to lead' is άγω, can we please change the English transliteration? I would do it, but again, I don't remember enough of my Greek grammar and vocab to be certain on this. Thanks. Jclu (talk) 19:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The correct transliteration is, indeed, "ago". The reason for this mistake presumably lies in the fact that modern Greek pronounce the Greek letter omega as "i". 195.80.106.39 (talk) 13:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just for fun: a new term

Surely there are times in every teachers career when your students drive you crazy. But, you must keep your head above the water and preserve your calmness. Now, here is this new quasi Ancient Greek word nobody ever heard that matches your thoughts well. Just think of it, and smile mysteriously...

Q: How would we name art or science of being a teacher to very hard learners?

A: Onodagogy, from the Ancient Greek ὅνοδαγωγέω (onodagōgeō; from ὅνος onos: donkey and άγω ági: lead; literally, "to lead the donkey”)

[edit] Where's Psychopedagogy?

Where's the article about Psychopedagogy in English Wikipedia, an important pedagogical study nowadays? (See Psicopedagogia.) --Roberto Cruz (talk) 20:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Teaching

Just a quick FYI note - I changed the redirect on Teaching to point to this article. It was pointed at Teacher, and a user had expressed some concern that they're really two separate subjects; Teaching is about what is done, and Teacher is about who does it. The user had suggested Education. I agreed with him/her that a change should be made, but felt Education was a bit broad, covering both the teaching and the learning sides of the coin, so I picked this article instead. I also added links in this article to both Education and Teacher, to kind of make sure everyone gets to the right place. Applejuicefool (talk) 14:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes it's better to redirect here than there. --AaThinker (talk) 12:43, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of the concept of pedagogy

This section seems to be almost entirely an explanation of the Sudbury model of education, and its inclusion seems inappropriate, especially as it is far longer than the actual explanation of pedagogy. Surely such an explanation should be on the Sudbury model page, rather than here. 77.99.163.40 (talk) 11:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

After consideration, have deleted this entire section and its associated links as it is neither on the subject of pedagogy, nor does it actually make specfic criticisms of pedagogy. 77.99.163.40 (talk) 08:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] didactic transformation

It may be helpful to have a discussion of didactic transformation at this page. 132.70.50.117 (talk) 10:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

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