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Fix issues from GA review: It's poorly sourced for it's length, only 16 citations in a article that is about 50 KB in length. There are whole sections that are completely unsourced Poor prose throughout, many grammar errors and one sentence paragraphs. Merge or remove the Ranking in heavyweight history subsection, unless it could be expanded more than a sentence (was expanded) The Ali in the media section should be converted into prose The last sentence of in retirement should be moved to the personal life section Needs a bit of a trimming his biography section, needs more info about his legacy (which is poorly sourced anyways). Lead needs to be expanded per WP:LEAD Needs a strong PoV check, parts of the article is written from a fan perspective, sentences like "Cassius Clay indeed "Shook up the world!" as he promised." should be removed. Add "a.k.a. Cassius Clay" to the list of documentaries (1970) Explain why Ali was stripped of his title in 1964, this is currently mentioned in the list at the end without any reason being given Add the final decision of the Supreme Court on Ali's refusing to serve in the military. Several court decisions are mentioned but the final conclusion is missing completely! Properly format all references. Update Antonio Inoki from being a "kickboxer" to a "catch wrestler" - he was trained by Karl Gotch in shoot style wrestling. Mention the fact that Ali called Frazier an "Uncle Tom" and "a dumb gorilla," both of which were widely reported in the press at the time. Add information about his darts match with Alan Evans (see his wiki page)

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day... section on June 27, 2004, June 27, 2005, June 27, 2006, and March 6, 2008.

Muhammad Ali was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: July 29, 2007

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[edit] Broken reference

reference 57 has Muhammed instead of Muhammad, so the search fails. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.197.82 (talk) 10:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reach

What is mean with Reach 2 M ? Was his reach 2 metres?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.80.236.182 (talk) 14:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Inoki

Although I'm pleased with much of the recent cleanup of this article (10-11 thru 10-12), I feel that at least some mention of the Inoki exhibition should have been retained. It received a lot of media attention in Japan, of course, but it also received a fair amount of publicity in the United States [and the UK, too (albeit not always complementary(!)) - Autochthony Writes; Feb 2009) when it occurred. The removed text follows:

Ali's next match after Dunn was a June 25 exhibition against the Japanese wrestler Antonio Inoki. ^[1]Although widely perceived as a publicity stunt, the match would have a long-term detrimental affect on Ali's mobility. Inoki spent much of the fight on the ground trying to damage Ali’s legs, while Ali spent most of the fight dodging the kicks or staying on the ropes.^[2] At the end of 15 rounds, the bout was called a draw. Ali's legs, however, were bleeding, leading to an infection. He suffered two blood clots in his legs as well.^[1]

Is there any support for re-integrating at least some of this information back into the article?

— Myasuda (talk) 01:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

A Brit who laughed at, - and enjoyed - the UK coverage of that event says "Hell, yeah!". It should be in! Autochthony Writes; Feb 2009.

[edit] Who is Fred Stoner?

At the beginning of the article there is a mention of Ali's other trainer at junior level, but no reference. Fred Stoner is mentioned on numerous occasions in Ali's autobiography 'The Greatest, My Own Story.' The first time is on page 55, where Ali describes encountering a boxer from Stoner's gym and is beaten. He then visits Stoner's gym where he notices that 'the boys from Stoner's gym were better boxer's than those at Martin's.' (page 55 'The Greatest, My Own Story.')

Lukeyo784 (talk) 19:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested alterations

The following text "However, Ali won a more important victory on June 28, 1971, when the Supreme Court reversed his conviction for refusing induction by unanimous decision in Clay v. United States." which can be found under the title The Fight of the Century should be edited and placed at the end of Vietnam War.

The following text "In 1964, Ali failed the U.S. Armed Forces qualifying test because his writing and spelling skills were sub-par. However, in early 1966, the tests were revised and Ali was reclassified as 1A. This classification meant he was now eligible for the draft and induction into the U.S. Army. This was especially important because the United States was engaged in the Vietnam War. When notified of this status, he declared that he would refuse to serve in the United States Army and publicly considered himself a conscientious objector. Ali stated that "War is against the teachings of the Holy Qur'an. I'm not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger. We don't take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers." Ali also famously said in 1966: "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong ... They never called me nigger."[7][8]" can be found, literally the same, under Religion and Vietnam War. There is only one sentence between those two identical texts. --Afopow (talk) 12:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] correction

Stance Orthodox I guess that Stance Islam,..... ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donquimico (talk • contribs) 23:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "recent photo"

Page is locked; I can't edit. There's a photo with a caption "... recent photo ..." Wikipedia standards indicate that there should be a date (a year would suffice) instead of the more vague "recent". "A 2004 photo of Ali", for instance, would be an improvement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Minor point - but I do agree. Autochthony Writes; Feb 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.223.75 (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad Ali's fight to beat Shane Buckley

As a young boy muhhamad ali trained his butt off to beat Shane buckley of oceanside new york. He was a fourteen year old who was THE MAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.117.244.62 (talk) 00:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC) People say he was gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.36.135.186 (talk) 17:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] locked

would someone unlock this page so i can edit it. I'm a boxing historian and the boxer i know the most about is Ali. i'm not autoconfirmed yet though.--Krasilschic (talk) 20:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Trimming bio section

The GA review states that the bio section needs trimming. What content, and how, can it be trimmed to improve the article and avoid vandalism? The legacy section also needs to be expanded.

It would really help if you (Rumble74) would quit editing the article. --DreamsAreMadeOf (talk) 05:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I would ask the reviewer Jaranda (talk • contribs • logs) to make a more specific recommendation regarding trimming the article. This GA review took place more than a year and a half ago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muhammad_Ali/Archive_3#Failed_GA), and some of the comments made at that time may no longer be pertinent. Myasuda (talk) 03:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

He is Irish American and this is stated on his mothers page, can someone put this up please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.75.155 (talk) 16:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC) ==Liston vs Ali== hello everybody The fight between Ali and Liston went 6 full rounds befor it was stopped befor the 7th round ever started but on the main page it is listed as having gone 7 rounds.I was unable to get into the article but thought someone might change it thank you comment by Frosty87

[edit] Neutrality dispute

Can anyone explain why the article is tagged 'neutrality is disputed' (January 2009)? I can't see any discusison of it here. thanks. --hippo43 (talk) 01:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ali vs chuck wepner

when ali faced opponent chuck wepner, ali did recieve a punch from wepner however the only reason he fell to canvas was because he was off balance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.200.195.95 (talk) 04:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually as Ali was moving backwards Wepner stood on his foot.This was a little trick Wepner picked up from Sonny Liston —Preceding unsigned comment added by Callingdogsofthunder (talk • contribs) 08:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Career Milestone Deleted

This article used to contain the fact that Clay/Ali was the youngest boxer ever to take the title from a reigning heavyweight champion, a mark that stood until the mid 1980s (Mike Tyson broke it). Prior to Tyson, Patterson was the youngest heavyweight champ, but he won the title during an elimination tournament (following Marciano's retirement) by defeating Archie Moore, the light-heavyweight champ at the time. Taking Liston's crown at age 22 was no small achievement. --NameThatWorks (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ireland

Can somebody put the name, Abe Grady, of Muhammad Ali's Irish ancestor from Ennis in Co. Clare into this article? Here's a link: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0807/1224252149374.html This story is all over the news in Ireland as Muhammad Ali is due in Ennis on 1 September. The media has routinely been playing excerpts of his last visits to Ireland and showing pictures of him playing Hurling back in the 1960s. 78.16.10.27 (talk) 10:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thrilla in Manila

Please view the video of this fight here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdKlL01b9V4

Our article says that Frazier's eyes were "swollen closed". This is not a true statement. Watch the video and look at Frazier's face at the end of Round 14. His eyes are puffy (right eye more so) but they ARE NOT swollen closed. I'd say his eyes were "swollen and puffy", but I do not agree they were "closed". Mike Tyson's left eye in the Buster Douglas fight was a much better example of a swollen eye. 216.153.214.89 (talk) 05:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

True, Ali was a great boxer- great reach, foot speed, good dancer, hand speed and a hard hitter, however, he was also one of the dumbest and dirtiest fighters I ever saw. A boxer's body has many targets to hit; Ali was always just a head-hunter. What else do you call someone who has can see 6 or 7 primary targets (or 8,10 or even 12 like Rocky Marciano saw) and only aims at one- Dumb. Ali was also a very dirty fighter and from the very beginning, part of his successes were a result of continually holding an opponents head while he hit and always hitting on the break; both infractions worthy of losing a point in a round. Referees then never called these infractions on Ali. Maybe the referees then were all white and were afraid to call Ali for these infractions for fear of being called a racist. I think my critism should be included in the main article to best describe all of Ali's "talents" and to better understand why Ali succeeded.Dcrasno (talk) 03:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

1) See WP:NOTAFORUM. 2) All statements must be backed up by reliable sources --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 03:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I have no access to the films or other reliable, plentiful media about Ali's fights. Handball Champion Jimmy Jacobs, (one of the co-"owners" of Ali's contract back then) owned the best, most complete catalog of boxing films then. I read that Jacobs' wife inherited the collection after he died; what's happened to it since then? Probably sold to Sony or other big-time film distribution group.

I think any type of info about Ali should be included in this article. good for the Goose- good for the gander. I can't get the films- can you?Dcrasno (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:45, 26 November 2009 (UTC).

What are you talking about? Nothing should be added to the article without being backed up by reliable sources. If these are not available then you're kind of out of luck. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:28, 26 November 2009 (UTC)