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[edit] On Samo

however, modern historians and archaeologists debate this, citing the probable Slavic origins of the name Samo among other supporting factors.

Samo is derived from Germanic language :same = M.E. (Old Saxon), O.N. samr,sami Goth. sama. German language Samen (Semen)= English seeds.

Other samples; Samland , Prussia, Sami or Lapps in northern Europe etc.

That is one theory. Since at least the 1970s, there has been a lot of scholarly debate on this. There may be no relation at all to the German Samen. Sometimes words in different languages are identical, but may not be related. One of the leaders of the "Samo was a Slav" argument is in fact a German scholar.

The Slavs who came into Germania also took over many German/ic words and often adapted them.

Krol for example means king in Slavic. It is derived from Karol(us) ,king/emperor Karl der Grosse or Charlemagne, who ruled over the land. user:H.J.

Samo ruled teritories probably more south from Moravia, some say that he ruled Pannonia.

However it would worth mentioning later state of Great Moravia, which was destroyed by Hungarians, and which destrouction allowed to creating states of Poland and Czech szopen

Nothing of above is true. Samo was trully primarily a Frankish merchant in a province Senonago, as it is mentioned in the article (Fredegarii Chronicon circa 658), but he had no Frankish roots. He was indeed a Slav. Moreover, according to some sources (well known Conversio Bagoariorum et Carantanorum) he was a Karantanian and therefore he was a Slovene. Although this source is some 200 years subsequent than Fredegar's chronicle but it is epitomized from an older records in Solnograd (circa 873), we should nevertheless infer that this is better source than a faraway Frankish one. So Samo (623 - 658) was a king of one of the earliest Slavic states. (See more in Karantania article). Because Samo had hindered Frankish merchants or Frankish influence a war striked out with a Frankish king Dagobert I, Merovingian (603 - 639), who went over Samo's army with all powers of Austrasia (Avstrazia). But in 631 at Wogastisburg (probably Forchheim in Frankish territory) he lost the final battle. This union of states under Samo's goverment is the most important state formation of Slavs at that time. Best regard. -- XJamRastafire 18:53 Sep 4, 2002 (UTC)

LINGUISTICALLY it's 4 to 1 in favor of Slavianophils:

The word-root 'SOMO-' is Indoeuropean \See 'A Dictionary of Selected Synonyms in the Principal Indo-European Languages' by Carl Darling Buck\ and not just 'Germanic'. The meaning of this root (C.D.Buck) is "itself related to others for 'together'".

The ending '-O' is the standard vocative ending for the first names in modern Ukrainian (a Slavic language).

The most popular Ukrainian word of all times is 'SAMOSTIYNOST' ("Independence") as opposed to Russian 'SAMOSTOYATELNOST' ("independence"), both having the connotation "self-standing".

So, linggguistically speaking, it's 4 to 1 in favor of the Slavianophils.

And also take into account that the "Germans" and the "Slavs" in the 7th century were less apart from each other in their languages and in all other aspects of everyday life than it has been depicted in the course of recent 800 years.

So much for the "Frankish merchant" who could be just a Slavic 'merchant trading with Franks' as well as the treacherous Frank committing treason of his country and the king.

Blahspeak by G.N.Boiko-Slasten

on this 29 day of November 2003. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.247.44.100 (talk) 22:21, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Moravian language, wait & see

"The Moravians speak Czech dialects..." ---Judging from the way dialects mysteriously become languages the next day, expect to see a Moravian language article in the future. Alexander 007 23:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll look it up for you.--86.25.52.233 04:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation from de:Mähren

As per Wikipedia:German-English translation requests

Article: de:Mähren
Corresponding English-language article: Moravia
Worth doing because: German has more info, esp history and geography
Originally Requested by: --Tydaj 18:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Status: In progress - Valiantis 20:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Other notes:
Supported:

I've now completed the translation. I've also added some additional info in the section People from de:Mährer re: those who consider themselves to be of Moravian nationality. I have removed the comments re: the Moravians (religion) as this group is already referred to via the disambiguation marker at the head of the page and although they originated in Moravia they do not live there now. Valiantis 17:36, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] On the Sources section

Added as a new reference - the Constantine Porphyrogenitus treatise - not touching the paragraph talking about Moravia's history. Later, maybe, I'll be back in order to add a sentence or two, based on this reference, trying not to damage the existing text which looks great to me already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.5.121 (talk) 01:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People

Can we really say that Tomas Masaryk, was born in Moravia to a Slovak father ...? (mater semper certa est) Cepek 21:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Czech language spoken in Moravia

I have undone the last edit by User:Juro ... because Literary Czech is closer to older Czech and Moravian dialects have preserved more of older Czech language than Bohemian Czech. This is not true. Typical Czech endings like mlejn (for mlýn) can be traced to medieval times so you cannot claim Moravian dialects to preserve more of older Czech. Talking about Moravian and Bohemian dialects we can say, that common Czech as spoken in Bohemia is more or less homogeneous today but there is still a larger variety of Moravian dialects. To claim, that Moravian dialects are closer to literary Czech is naive. Anyway, such a discussion belongs to the excellent article Czech language. --Cepek 07:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It is not naive, but a well-known scientific fact. But write what you want, as far as I remember (I am sorry if I am wrong) you are one of those "name-of-the-Czech-Republic-ists", so any discussion is pointless. Juro 19:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Czech names in English

Last edit by Qertis changes (apart from others) Thaya to Dyje. Whatever I do not like the German name of the river (because the Czech name sounds better to me), we cannot force usage of Czech names in the English language. It seems that the name Thaya has been accepted already.

Also I cannot understand why Jewish-Austrian neurologist and psychiatrist Sigmund Freud ... was changed to Viennese neurologist and psychiatrist.... Freud vas a Jew, he was an Astrian, his books were not burned by Nazis because he was Viennese neurologist. --Cepek 13:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Informations to the "Lager Hodolein" near Olomouc ("Olmütz") in 1946

For an article in the german Wikipedia I'm looking for informations to the Hodolein-camp near Olomouc (in this time called too Olmütz). Which persons where in the camp? Normal members of the german "Wehrmacht", normal people called "Sudetendeutsche", or members of organisations of Konrad Henlein oder NSDAP-members? Any information is warmly welcomed. Please inform me in the german" Wikipedia, under member "Nup". Thanks!

Nup (talk) 10:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dialects

We are as Moravians nation and we are not speaking Czech dialects, but Slav and German dialects. R —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.240.1.251 (talk) 06:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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