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Contents 1 Marianne Faithfull 2 Possible bisexuality and relationship with David Bowie 3 Lead 4 citing sources reliably 5 Article downgraded to C-grade 6 Recommendation for Intro

[edit] Marianne Faithfull

shes a huge part of micks life and needs a mantion in is personal lifes section so please stop deliting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killerqueenn18 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

She will get it, and properly sourced (but probably not mentioning the apocryphal Mars Bar incident except in passing); however, her presence at the filming of "Ned Kelly", leading to the song "Wild Horses", will be there. I'm listing this article for some TLC. Rodhullandemu 00:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Possible bisexuality and relationship with David Bowie

There seems to be some POV editing at work here, in which references to Jagger's possible bisexuality and relationship with David Bowie get cut frequently without explanation. If Jagger and/or his friends, family or PR people are cutting these refs to save reputation that is a serious case of bad faith POV editing. The fact is that this isn't an idle rumour. There is a lot of souring on the net about the Bowie relationship and Jagger's sexuality. He even commented on it himself in the 1970s. He also issued a denial relatively recently, in response to Ms Bowie's book. All should be included and sourced fairly and accurately. WP is neither a rumour mill NOR a public relations outlet. I'll wait a few days for an editor to sort this out - if there is no explanation and/or nothing gets done after that I'll put a POV tag on the article to try to get this issue resolved. Thanks, Marlinnspike (talk) 07:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

if you're referring to my recent edits: i didn't remove the reference to the alleged relationship with Bowie, i simply moved it to the paragraph about various people he's been "romantically linked" with. if you want more on that subject, go ahead and add it (citing reliable sources of course). Sssoul (talk) 08:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Angie Bowie's book I do not think can be regarded as a reliable source; not only does she have an axe to grind, but it's full of inconsistencies and her account of the "bed scene" isn't evidence of anything other that Jagger and Bowie "possibly" shared a bed. Well, so did Laurel and Hardy and Morecambe and Wise. Not good enough, and the fact that there is "a lot of souring on the net" (how appropriate a typo!) leading to denials merely shows that this is, in WP:RS terms, a dead duck, forty years ago, and only used to denigrate both Bowie and Jagger, and that's assuming that anybody cares about that sort of thing any more. Rodhullandemu 00:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lead

per WP:LEAD, I've expanded this to 4 paras as an overview of Jagger's life and career, and picked out what I think are the salient points to be dealt with in the main article, which still needs work. It's always difficult to encapsulate nearly fifty years in four paragraphs, so if you think it can be improved, I won't argue with you. Lest anyone should worry that it's unsourced, well, it's all in the article or in The Rolling Stones or can be sourced quite easily. Rodhullandemu 23:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] citing sources reliably

i just removed a snippet of contentious and rather outdated gossip from the article, since neither of the sources cited actually support the allegations. please see WP:BLP - thanks Sssoul (talk) 20:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article downgraded to C-grade

I have downgraded this article to C-grade, because a three minute cursory examination found the following unacceptable omissions and biases:

• it inadequately outlines his relationship with Marianne Faithfull
• it does not mention alleged rumours about a bisexual relationship with David Bowie
• it displays, as his only photograph, what is surely the most unflattering photo of him on the internet. --Geronimo20 (talk) 13:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

LoFL! i like the photo! grading the article C makes sense, but those aren't very compelling reasons. his relationships don't need to be "accounted for" - outlined, maybe, but not "accounted for"; and unless you have a reliable source to verify that allegation about him and Bowie, then WP:BLP#Non-article_space requires that it be removed even from the talk page. seriously, you really should add "rumours about" and/or "alleged" to that - thanks Sssoul (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops. I changed the relevant qualifiers to "outlines" and "alleged rumours about". --Geronimo20 (talk) 14:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Recommendation for Intro

I feel the intro needs work. I am here to help and want to discuss this first before any changes- and I am glad to let someone else make the changes. I only want the subject to get the credit he is due. Jagger and Richards have been one of the two greatest songwriting duos ever (along with Lennon/McCartney). The Stones are one of the top rock bands of all time. Jagger is the lead singer for and lead co-writer for the Stones. He co-wrote 53 of their 59 top 100 hits (worldwide). Surely these things should be mentioned in the intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougmac7 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks for using the talk page. i agree that the WP:lead needs work – and see Talk:Mick_Jagger#Lead, above – but please propose some specific wording, sources, etc. i'm sure you already know that (regardless of anyone's personal opinion of the subject/the Stones) what you've written above is too WP:peacock-ish for an encyclopedia. Sssoul (talk) 07:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)