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Contents 1 HSBC 2 State owned oil companies 3 Possilby missing companies 3.1 State owned 4 Others 5 Where is Ahold? 6 Tata Group?! 7 Japanese keiritsus 8 ExxonMobile Employees 9 commented companies 10 Wesfarmers??? 11 Why the $40 bn cutoff? 12 HBoS 13 Allianz

[edit] HSBC

States on their Wiki page that they are the worlds largest company according to Forbes Magazine - their assets, revenue and employees in the table would indicate a higher ranking that they appear (67th). Can someone correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.234.98 (talk) 13:51, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] State owned oil companies

Is there any reason why generally exclude state owned oil companies from the list? There may be problem with finding proper sources (and conversion from nonconvertible currencies), but i do not think that is reason to exclude them generally. I will try to compile 40+b list and i will include them to article, if no objections. --Jklamo (talk) 20:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

• Saudi Aramco - 199,756 - 2006 - Saudi Arabia^[1] added
• Petróleos de Venezuela S.A. - 109,342? - 2006 - Venezuela added
• Pemex - 105,548 - 2007 - Mexico [1]added
• National Iranian Oil Company - 90,795 - 2006 - Iran^[1] added
• Kuwait Petroleum Corporation - 59,403 - 2006 - Kuwait^[1] added
• Petronas - 50,987 - 2006 - Malaysia^[1] added
• Iraq National Oil Company - 45,036 - 2006 - Iraq^[1] added

[edit] Possilby missing companies

[edit] State owned

• Sonatrach - 4,222,746 DZD^[2] (0.01362 rate)= 57,513 - 2006 - Algeria
• Pertamina - 352,840 (0.0001112 rate) = 39.2 - 2006 - Indonesia
• Abu Dhabi National Oil Company - 30,811 - 2006 est - United Arab Emirates
• Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation - 29.9 - 2006 est - Nigeria
• National Oil Corporation - 28,715 - 2006 est - Libya
• Qatar Petroleum - app. 21,413 - 2005 (or 17,902 2006 est)- Quatar
• Japan Post - 9,921.6 billion yen JPY (0.008702) = 135,13 - 6 months April 1, 2007 to September 30, 2007 - Japan
• State Grid Corporation of China - 85,452,374 mil ?? ^[3]
• European Investment Bank - 14.051 eur ^[4] = 20.7

[edit] Others

• Sparkassen-Finanzgruppe
• Nippon Life Insurance Company
• Kohlberg Kravis Roberts
• Carlyle Group
• Norinchukin Bank
• Rabobank
• Blackstone Group
• Texas Pacific Group
• Permira Advisers
• Gunvor International B.V.
• Glencore International AG
• Vitol

[edit] Where is Ahold?

According to Wikipedia, Ahold has a revenue of $44.872 billion. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.90.219 (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

• on 114 place --Jklamo (talk) 23:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tata Group?!

Tata Group had revenues of US$62.5 billion in 2008. [2] It definitely deserves a mention here. --Enigma Blues (talk) 11:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• 2008 is not over, i found 28.9 bil for 2007. --Jklamo (talk) 23:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
• Tata should really be on here.

[edit] Japanese keiritsus

I believe keiretsus are roughly the same structure as a conglomorate if that is agreed upon then there will be atleast 4-5 entries in the top 10.Mitsubishi group has revenues of over USD 400billion for instance.toshiba,hitachi,kawasaki and sumitomo are similarly very large entities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.8.198.65 (talk) 10:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Do them have separate legal entity and accounting? If yes, they can be included. Some of them (or its companies) are now in the list, like mitsubishi corp., mitsubishi ufj fin, toshiba or hitachi. --Jklamo (talk) 23:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ExxonMobile Employees

This list says ExxonMobile has 80,800 employess when the article for ExxonMobile says 106,100. Which is correct? Cpyder 17:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

The one sourced. Employess numbers are not main scope of this list, so they can be outdated a bit. Feel free to correct them those. --Jklamo (talk) 23:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] commented companies

I accidentally deleted those bottom 25 companies, but now started to think about all commented comanies. Article is now long and also its size (69K) is becaming to be problem. WP:SIZE give advice "Probably should be divided" for this size (and i have problems editing this page while working on notebook). But from other side, these data even incomplete and bad sourced can be helpful, for example for 2009 updates (mostly those near 40 bil). What do to with them? Leave them there, delete or move somewhere (this talk page, thist talk page subpage or somewhere else)? --Jklamo (talk) 23:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wesfarmers???

with $225 USD revenue at the current exchange rate, which is low, and climbing, Wesfarmers is right up there, please add it to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmw2508 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

WILL SOME ONE ADD IT!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmw2508 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Revenue number on Wesfarmers was incorrect, i fixed it. Real number is 33.5 AUD, thus not qualify into list. --Jklamo (talk) 13:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why the $40 bn cutoff?

It seems that this list would be much more useful it the cutoff was lowered considerably. Why choose 40? It seems pretty arbitrary.--ragesoss (talk) 02:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

The reason is size. Even with the $40B limit, the list is already 70KB, larger than recommended in WP:SIZE. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

But this is a list, not an article. The limit is primarily an editorial suggestion, and for lists it doesn't make that much sense. If pageload time is the main issue, it could be broken up into several pages, but I don't see why we shouldn't collect a much large number of companies here. Some lists maintained by others (e.g., Forbes) go to 2000.--ragesoss (talk) 22:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] HBoS

HBoS, no. 45 on the list, no longer exists as an independent company, it has been taken over by Lloyds Bank. Maproom (talk) 09:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Allianz

It is an SE as far as i know and not an AG. --87.78.20.19 (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)