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Alpine constructed one formula one (or in fact 2 as the Renault F1 prototype was an Alpine chassis) but none was raced. Ericd 20:00, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

Abarth did not race in F1~, it was associated in Cisitalia design. Ericd 20:04, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

There was a project in 1968 to build a 3.0 V12 engine from the sportscar 2.0 V8, but nothing came out of it. --Pc13 19:07, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I think they built some 3 litre prototypes powered by a V8 but no F1. Ericd 00:44, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Can we get dates for at least some of these constructors.

[edit] Bugatti

While its founder was Italian, Bugatti was a French, not an Italian constructor, isn't it?

Bugatti was a French make in Formula 1. Bugatti was first based in France, than Italy and also once in Germany. When Bugatti raced just the only one race in Formula 1 it was a French marque at the time. --Andreasu 07:32, 01 Oct 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scuderia Italia

Should Scuderia Italia not be listed as a team that never constructed their own chassis? At present they are listed as a constructor, but for most of their existence they ran Dallara designed and constructed chassis, and one final season with a disastrous Lola design (albeit not as bad as Lola's Mastercard effort). The official F1 site lists the constructor as Dallara. 4u1e 18:02, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes definately a constructor only running mainly Dallaras as you've said here. --Jsydave 22:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prodrive

The heading for this page does imply that teams planning to enter F1 should be included, so I would think Prodrive should be in, but does anyone have a view on how it should be done - simply as a new team with a brief note in brackets or a footnote maybe? --Jsydave 22:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

New section added to the page with the heading "Future Constructors" Jsydave 12:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider Prodrive a constructor, actually. Dave Richards has admitted he's planning on using some other team's chassis and engine, alledgedly McLaren-Mercedes. That makes Prodrive a competitor, but not a constructor. On the other hand, doesn't the FIA consider any competitor a 'constructor' while referring to a car designer/builder as a 'make'? Lustigson 15:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You're right of course; if Prodrive use someone else's chassis, then they won't be a constructor. I think a few of us (at WP:F1) have probably realised that listing Prodrive in a section labelled "Future constructors" is, strictly speaking, incorrect but haven't bothered to change it, perhaps in the knowledge/expectation that the whole article will probably need an overhaul once "customer chassis" become legal (again) in 2008. My guess is that some of the editors who have contributed to this article over time haven't fully appreciated the distinction between "team/entrant" and "constructor" (a forgivable error, considering that the terms have been effectively synonomous for at least 10 years). -- DH85868993 03:39, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Entries

If a team enters two (or more) cars for a race, does this count as one entry? The total entries for Arrow (368) implies yes, but I feel that number of entries should be the (total) number of cars entered. Whatd do people think? Tompw (talk) (review) 12:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The fifth column in the table is the number of races the constructor has entered, as opposed to the total number of cars entered. Both numbers can be useful/relevant, depending on the situation. If you're considering the number of pole positions or wins a constructor has scored, then the number of races is perhaps more relevant, since only one of their cars can win or score pole position in a particular race, regardless of how many of their cars are entered. On the other hand, if you're considering how many podium positions they've scored, then the total number of cars entered is perhaps more relevant, since more than one car can score a podium position in a given race. DH85868993 (talk) 06:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Privateer Teams

The list of privateer teams is very incomplete. There are other many privateer teams, for example: Brands Hatch Racing (in 1980), Horschell Racing Corporation (in 1950), and more... Moeover there are many drivers who entered with their own names as, for example, Peter Whitehead in 1950. Stanza13 (talk) 01:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

There are indeed many entrants missing from the list. However, I think to claim that many of them were "teams" is pushing things a bit. Horschell Racing Corporation was, for example, just Harry Schell, his brother and a mechanic, as was Ecurie Bleue. Similarly, Ecurie Maarsbergen was just Carel Godin de Beaufort. This is precisely why I dislike the term "team"; it doesn't really mean much pre-1980. I think, if you wanted to do a proper job, you would need to create a second List of non-constructor Formula One entrants, or similar. I know how long this table took to compile and I'm not mad keen to delve into that particular can of worms, but if you want to do it then go ahead. Pyrop e 02:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Jordan Grand Prix Nationality

Any reason why Jordan's nationality is marked as disputed?

They ran under an Irish racing licence, and the Irish national anthem and flag were used in any podium events. Laylaholic (talk) 17:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

You're right. Fixed. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 01:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

But, notice this British flag at this picture: http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/690 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.80.191.190 (talk) 09:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

A photograph with a garage in the background is not a reliable source. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Eagle, Penske, Shadow and Wolf Nationality

Could anybody resolve problem of nationality of these teams ? I tried to find it out but I found no convincing evidence of their nationalities. It would be the best if someone has some video from races which were won by these teams to hear what national anthem was played for winning constructor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.102.31.100 (talk) 15:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

No it wouldn't, that would be original research. We need references that explicitly state these teams' nationalities to comply with WP:V. Finding them is the hard bit, which is why they are listed as they are. Pyrop e 14:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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