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Contents 1 Apocalypsethedark 2 Need Info on Theme Music 3 Warning! 4 Sega Project? 5 Need new pictures 6 Reminder 7 Help Wanted 8 Request Protection 9 Revision Requested 10 Final Solution! 11 Comic Information needed! 12 Cartoon Info Needed! 13 Popularity Info 14 Suggestions? 15 Vandal Info Needed! 16 Information on foriegn sales Needed! 17 To all New Users! 18 Age Reminder 19 Request To underage users 20 Info On Knuckles Designer Needed 21 Toy Industry News 22 Book Industry News 23 Other Vandalism News? 24 Citation Needed! 25 Concerning Sonic X 26 New Direction 27 Knuckles Strength 28 Fair use rationale for Image:Knuckles2006.png 29 Concept And Creation 30 Cleanup complete 31 Marauders and emeralds 32 Refrence tags 33 Knux's Ability to sense stuff.... 34 Merging Knuckles the Echidna (comic character) with Knuckles the Echidna 35 sonic and knuckles brothers 36 knuckles favrite color 37 Voice Actors 38 Thought provoking.. 39 belly 40 Knuckles Super Tranformation

[edit] Apocalypsethedark

It seems that you ARE the only one left... You are just like Knuckles in that you protect this Wiki page. I will help you in any way you need, as stated below, but I warn you, I'm only thirteen. If you don't trust me, I understand, but don't worry. I'm not going to "fan-fic" the place to death.

-Friend of Knux —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.174.71 (talk) 02:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Need Info on Theme Music

Does anyone have any clue about knuckles new theme music? What is it? Please find any information you can and add it to the article as soon as possible!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Where did you hear about Knuckles 'new theme' in the first place?What game are you talking about? Do you know?--Wariodude64 (talk) 02:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Warning!

Vandalism on this page will not be tolerated! Revisions will be made to any vandalism found! To all new users review the rules before making any changes to the article. This goes for sections on this talk page as well! Meaningless sections will be removed!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sega Project?

Who and what is the sega project? And why have they neglected this article?Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need new pictures

The pictures of knuckles on the article have become outdated by a year or more and need to be replaced. People will lose interest in the article if something drastic does not happen soon!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

can we include the old pictures and get new pictures? i think the progression of knuckles' character art is relevant, but i may be wrong.Killemall22 (talk) 21:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reminder

To those still out there, I feel I need to remind everyone that new games with Knuckles come out each year and any support given to this page would be of great use! Find any relavent information that may be availble and bring it to light, make sure you have sources to back up your findings, fan sites dont count!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help Wanted

I need help making revisions to the article, I cant do it on my own! Is there any one left out there?Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request Protection

After all the abuse that happened to the Miles "Tails" Prower page it would be nice to see this page recieve some protection from vandals who ruin the page with mindless fan fiction. Am I the only one on this article who cares?Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:18, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revision Requested

The Knuckles article needs surious revisions to meet Wikipedia expectations, is any one willing to help? Most of the article is In-Universe and does not explain things properly. Could we pay attention to this and not let "Fans" destroy the article?Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Final Solution!

I would like to request that anyone caught vandalizing this page even once be blocked from editing it permenately to help in the effort to protect the hard work being put into this page!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comic Information needed!

The article requirs updates on some comic related matters, since it's been 2 years since this article has been worked with! Any information with sources will be useful to me, also I would like to know if any know comic brands or spin-Offs have developed since 2006!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cartoon Info Needed!

Does anyone out there know if knuckles has been found in any new cartoons or anime? Any Iformation will be useful! This Article needs surious updates!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Popularity Info

Since it's been awile since this Article has undergone revision it would be nice to know about knuckles popularity status, and how much influence the character has in selling games! Actual sources needed!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 00:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions?

Anyone out there have ideas about how this article can be improved? All ideas welcomed if appropriate!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal Info Needed!

Who keeps vandalizing these pages? If they wont be permanetly blocked then I at least need to know whoes doing it inorder to help protect this page!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Information on foriegn sales Needed!

How is Knuckles doing for sales over seas? Since this game is not just a United States issue, I wonder just what kind of profits sega or others are seeing from knuckles(Relavent To The Article).Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] To all New Users!

I have come across an issue that needs to be brought to light immediatly concerning the use of bad or inappropriate language in the Talk section!

All new users need to remember that the sonic universe characters mentioned on wikipedia are viewed by children who also review this talk section!

For their sake and wikipedia's all swearing found on this talk page will be edited out by me!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Age Reminder

Knuckles age will remain the same as listed on the article until proven to be different!

Further more any changes to the age without references will be reverted!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request To underage users

If you are below the age of eighteen I would kindly request that you not add your thoughts to wikipedia. The reason is because to much fan fiction has been appearing on this article and the primary source of all this is young reckless users who let their imaginations do the talking! Thank You!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know, this is a FREE Encyclpedia, and anyone is allowed to do revision and Edits. And what are you talking about? Your probably 25 and still like sonic the hedgehog!!! Saprissy (talk) 13:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Info On Knuckles Designer Needed

This article needs more info on knuckles designer(s) to maintain the article's relavence with current events! This means any artists, Project Managers, Voice actors, animation specialists,Ect!

[edit] Toy Industry News

We need information on what kind of Knuckles toys are on the market for inclusion with the article. Acomplete history would be appropriate!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Book Industry News

What kinds of books if any is knuckles appearing in?Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other Vandalism News?

What other Sonic Universe Articles are being targeted besides this one and Miles "Tails" Prower? The information no matter how vague is still relavent and all leads we'll be looked into and watched to prepair for possible attack on this article!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citation Needed!

The Articles Information needs proper citation and will be checked randomly for this every week from know on! Any information without proper citation will be deleted or change!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning Sonic X

I would like to request a separate section be made for Knuckles involvement in Sonic X inorder to provide new ideas and perspective on the character!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

YEAH COOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.197.207 (talk) 03:34, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New Direction

In order to keep crazed fans from editing this article I Suggest we give all individuals a kind of sreening test before they are allowed to make changes to the article! It may sound far fetched but if it is done correctly it might work!Apocalypsethedark (talk) 01:58, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Knuckles Strength

ok, there's an issue going with describing his strength in the section. His lifting strength hasn't really been described in any form of media and the notion of him being the strongest character physically is not true in the slightest.--Neofcon 20:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the difference between punching meteors (continuing what was said above in Sonic City section) and lifting them when the punch accomplishes the same purpose as throwing? He needs the muscle power to move those meteors and send them flying into the air several times his own body length (and into those blue box things to open them). The sheer distance he sends them flying is notable since they are obviously not moving by rolling or something like that. Also saying that Knuckles pulling a boulder out of the ground in Sonic Battle is just a gamplay element and not canon is also admiting that Shadow's overturning large trucks is also a similar gameplay element, since it has only appeared once and has gone unmentioned since (compared to Knuckles being consistantly described by offical sources as having powerful strength). I remember an offical source describing Knuckles strength as being equal to Sonic's speed, I think it was Sega's Sonic Adventure 2 website (originally located here: http://www.sega.com/sega/game/sonic2_launch.jhtml#) but that site is dead and the Internet Archives didn't save the flash elements that it was made of, so I'm still looking. As for the overall 'strongest character', you are correct that until a decision is reached on Sonic City, anything on the site shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. Cigraphix 02:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The difference is he's punching them and not "throwing" them. There's a difference in the strength of a punch and the strength to lift objects times your own size. For example, take a simple boxing match, where one boxer's punch is lethal enough to take out a person or knock them out cold. The velocity of the thrown punch times his own natural strength adds more power to the punch leading to a hard blow to the body. Lifting strength requires your own natural strength. And yes, both instances of characters lifting objects larger than their own sizes has occured once in order for gameplay boundries to be set. Many of Cream's attacks in Sonic Battle has her chao performing elemental attacks (tornado spins) and this was only featured in Sonic Battle and nothing else. The same goes for Tails's Arm cannon appearing and disappearing on the fly and the springy boxing gloves. Not to mention sonic's ability to fling shockwaves. So no I don't count that game's credibility to natural character abilities (along with that game being made by THQ as well). Gameplay elements dont equal character abilities in terms of what they have in accordence to what technical system is set for them to require those abilities. Such as (like you said) shadow lifting buses. --Neofcon 21:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)We can't have different standards in the characters, so, if you feel that strongly about such gameplay elements, by all means take that arguement to Shadow's page and try to get his 'impressive strength' thing in his abilities section deleted. If Shadow can get his 'impressive strength' listed on a single gamplay element, then Knuckles should get his listed as well. Cigraphix 04:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Who the hell listed that?

In that case, we got a deal.--Neofcon 14:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I read somewhere that knuckles is as strong as Sonic is fast. If that's true then surely Knuckles strongest character in the series. 81.98.227.10 (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Knuckles is likely said to be the strongest because of counting his Super State. He was already stronger than Super Sonic anyways, so adding the Emeralds' power just seals the deal. Not only that, but now the official Sonic City website says so. Call it into question all you want, but Wiki does prefer official sites as a main source.GrandMasterGalvatron (talk) 12:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

If he was the strongest, then why he cant beat sonic, why do have to be so stupid Grandmastergalvatron. sonic and knuckles is even match. it doesnt matter about strenght or speed,face the facts dumbo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.235.213.99 (talk) 20:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The mighty don't always have the battle and the swift don't always have the race. There are plenty of reason why Sonic, even though he is the weaker of the two, always comes out on top. Your "facts" sound like biased opinions there, mate. Also, the name calling was totally unnecessary.GrandMasterGalvatron (talk) 01:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC) well knuckels isnt stronger he really cant beat sonic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.50.243.24 (talk) 18:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Knuckles2006.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Just out of random curiousty, how many pictures can be allowed on this article? Because I was just thinking that someone should create a photo record of how knuckles has changed in the video Games, Comics, and cartoons!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Concept And Creation

I've noticed Knuckles lacks this. Without such a thing eventually Knuckles will be nominated for merging, so some research might be in order Balladofwindfishes (talk) 01:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I dont see why it should not be merged with other knuckless materials. It makes no sense that two knuckles articles should exist!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

what other knuckles srticles are there? Killemall22 (talk) 20:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup complete

I just finished touching up and updating the entire article in order to help it meet standards for the Sega Project. If there's anyhting I have overlooked, please let me know. (Indigo Rush 13:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC))

You've done good in my opinion, but I was wondering what you thought about merging this article with its counterpart from the comic point of view?Wiki Curse (talk) 00:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marauders and emeralds

I simply removed the statement that they stole the 6 chaos emeralds as it reads that the emeralds are missing but, sounds like speculation to say that the Marauders are responsible. 75.138.193.222 (talk) 00:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC) Soniccuz

Keep up the good work!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Refrence tags

Does anybody realize in the "Notes and Reference" section that there is an error on the first citation that says

"Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named jp_profile"?

I don't have much knowledge in adveanced wikimarkup, so can someone fix that? PrestonH 04:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

To answer your question I have noticed and will make the changes as soon as possible.Wiki Curse (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Knux's Ability to sense stuff....

...Could it be a reference to electroreception, an ability that monotremes(The sub-order that echidnas belong to) have that works similar to Knux's special sense? Let's not forget that it's not only used to sense chaos energy. He used it in Sonic Adventure 2 to sense the keys to the Death Chamber as well. (As for Rouge, bats use echo-location to find stuff). So, do you think this should be somewhere in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparx-1 (talk • contribs) 07:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Although you do raise an interesting point lets try to stick with the fact that he has the ability and not why he has the ability!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

i think its only a littel abilty last time he said he could find a emrald cream ended up finding it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.50.243.1 (talk) 20:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Knuckles the Echidna (comic character) with Knuckles the Echidna

Check discusion in Talk:Knuckles the Echidna (comic character). Please don't reply here. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sonic and knuckles brothers

i heard some were that knuckles and sonic were brothers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.19.117.163 (talk) 17:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Lies.Fairfieldfencer FFF 18:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

some one else had said it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.254.170.227 (talk) 14:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Well for starters it doesn't make sense. Knuckles is an Echidna and Sonic is a Hedgehog, so they couldn't be brothers.Fairfieldfencer FFF 14:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Not In this life time friend!Wiki Curse (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Weird. Don't know why domeone would say that. I mean, Sonic is a hedgehog. Knuckles is an echidna. Don't think that could genetically happen. -dark52 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.253.132.250 (talk) 22:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] knuckles favrite color

i think it is red i mean he is red

No, it's got to be fuchsia...because that's the color of the 3rd crystal thing in the 9th edition special edition comic, where he's like "Oh my, this thing is my favorite color" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.255.157.161 (talk) 22:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

We don't really need to know about that Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 13:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Can we spam this in fourms? Try IGN. _Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. ^Soul 18:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Voice Actors

Now i know we don't need it for this article. Unlike the tails one all the voice actors are in the inormation box Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 10:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The V.A. actor section is in all of the Sonic articles. It's so if new information comes up we can list it.Fairfieldfencer FFF 10:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

oh, now i see. Thanks for telling me. Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 16:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thought provoking..

Thought I might bring this to your attention:

http://www.gamesradar.com/pc/f/the-wtf-world-of-wikipedia/a-2008062510326553058/p-5 Broadbandmink (talk) 11:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

For starters, that link is incredibly old and we don't judge articles by their size. We have a lot more factual information about Knuckles than God. At least we know if Knuckles even exists, (which he doesn't).Fairfieldfencer FFF 15:54, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Funny, though. Malpass93 (talk) 20:17, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Do I see a religious bent?  :D --Luigifan (talk) 14:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] belly

has anyone else notice that the old photos of Knuckles and some comics show him with a fat torso? MidKnightHunter (talk) 20:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

How is this contribuiting to the article? _Skeletal SLJCOAAATR ^Soulsor 22:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering why old pictures of Knuckles aren't seen as relevant, is there anyway to include them kind of in the same way Shadows article is set up?Killemall22 (talk) 21:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

...What the hell? What does this have to do with anything? Where is the relevance? I have to agree with SLJCOAATR 1 on this one. --Luigifan (talk) 14:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Knuckles Super Tranformation

The following was moved here from the editors' talk pages:

Why do you keep deleting transformation info of Knuckles? He turns or turned into Super Knuckles, period, no one can change that, besides Sega, and it apeared in several games, Sonic & Knuckles, Knuckles in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles, even if they are all connected. Also we must add that he also turns into Hyper Knuckles, so two transformations happenned, and only the second one happened once. Moste people forget that Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3 & Knuckles are different, specially what concerns transformations. His transformation is also mentioned in Sonic Chronicles. If Sega wanted to wipe out Super Knuckles from existance then why don't they delete him from old games compilations? Because they exist. If we don't mention things because they don't appear again then we shoudn't mention Darkspine Sonic, Sonic the Werehog, or even characters that appeared only once like King Arthur or Black Doom or Erazor Djinn , Metal KNUCKLES etc... Super Knuckles (talk) 23:31, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The information doesn't belong in the characteristics section of the Knuckles the Echidna page because it only appears once. Knuckles in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 is only achieved thru lock on with Sonic & Knuckles so really only Sonic & Knuckles has the transformation (Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles were even supposed to be one game). There is no argument being made that it didn't exist or whatever but Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed nor is it a crystal ball trying to predict the future. One offhand remark in a second game doesn't constitute another occurrence or guarantee that it will recur. However elements that aren't recurring can go into the article for the game in which they are important (a description of Super/Hyper Knuckles, Hyper Sonic and Super Tails could go into Sonic & Knuckles, Darkspine in Sonic and the Secret Rings, Werehog in Sonic Unleashed, King Arthur in Sonic and the Black Knight, etc). CIGraphix (talk) 17:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Expansion packs are only available if you have the original game, but that doesn't make expansions uncanon, and even if they were meant to be the same game, they are not, so we have to consider, as they are, different games. While Super Tails appeared only in one game (Sonic 3 & Knuckles), Super Knuckles appeared in three and two storylines (Sonic & Knuckles and Knuckles in Sonic 2). And the offhand remark means that he was referenced, and that he exists. Even if he doesn't appear anymore, he did, and is a characteristic of him. Super Knuckles (talk) 18:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

A lot of good this was, I got 2 people to comment on WP:VG - 1 agreed with me the other bounced back and forth - and nobody else seemed to care. The 2 seemed to agree the Knuckles in Sonic 2 and 3 wasn't a recurrence since it had to be hooked up with S&K, but the editor who bounced back and forth wasn't too sure about the mention in Chronicles. So I guess a compromise is best: Hyper is out, its not a recurring element, rewrite the Super part to source it to what is written in Chronicles. I'm going to need help writing the Chronicles reference since I don't have the game. CIGraphix (talk) 13:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we should describe how it enhances his abilities like that because there is no source for that (thus it is WP:OR). Not only are the enhancments themselves not recurring (just that fact that he can transform), we should stick to what sources say per WP:V. According to a GameFaqs transcript[1] the source says: "...but anyone who combines all seven of the Chaos Emeralds can command ultimate power. Many, including Sonic, Knuckles, and Shadow, and others, can even use the power of the seven Chaos Emeralds to transform into Super versions of themselves!" So just leave it to say it gives Knuckles "ultimate power", I'd like to use this source for Sonic & Shadow also if you would help with the ref. CIGraphix (talk) 03:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess we should sitck with this too. How do you want me to help with the ref? Super Knuckles (talk) 17:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Fill in any blanks in the ref and check the source itself to confirm that everything conforms to it, I don't want to fill this info in using GameFaqs because then GameFaqs is the actual source and it isn't considered reliable - I'm specifically looking at "level" and "quote" - cite video game|title=Sonic Chronicles |developer=Bioware |publisher=Sega |date= |platform=Nintendo DS |version= |level=Codex |language= |isolang= |quote= CIGraphix (talk) 17:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I understand, but I don't actually have the game... Sorry. Super Knuckles (talk) 19:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)