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[edit] US bias to this articleI think a better title for this article would be "US Journalism". unsigned comment added by She 25 (talk • contribs) 07:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC) [edit] CadetsI don't know whether or not this is just used in Australia, but "cadet" is very commonly used for describing somesort of new journalist... Or something... Someone want to elaborate?
Three major international nautical companies hired a total of 26 Deck Cadets from the Univers ty of Cebu, Class of 2006-2007, October graduates. Wartsila Land and Sea Academy hired 24 Deck Cadets as fresh additions to their team. The cadets are now undergoing Chart Training Seminar, Awareness Seminar and a talk on AIDS. A training seminar on Deck Watch-Keeping is also being arranged for those who made the cut. Wartsila Land and Sea Academy provides extensive programs covering operation, maintenance and safety issues for their clientele’s marine personnel. Their apprentices will receive a monthly compensation in US dollars upon the start of their embarkation. The company, led by Capt. Helge Oliversen formerly with the NSA Philippines for almost six years, is also scheduled to visit the University of Cebu - Maritime Education and Training Center (UC-METC) on the third week of November to add 10 more cadets to the list.? The selected men will be trained in Subic Bay, where the company holds office. Another company - Phoenix Maritime - which is managed by the Japanese, visited the UC- Maritime Education and Training Center (METC) and picked a cadet for shipboard training. Deck Cadet Erlan Lanos will join the company by March 2007. Finally, Wallem Maritime Services, a firm ran by Filipinos, Greeks and Norwegians, also dropped by the campus and selected Deck Cadet Jemape Bacolod as a welcome addition to their seafaring staff. He will join the company for his apprenticeship on March 2007. When asked about the partiality of the hiring towards the Marine Transportation cadets, Mr. Robert Maluya, UC-METC Shipboard Training Officer says, "It’s probably because Deck cadets are more versatile on board." Added together with the 80 hired cadets featured in the UC Watch November 2006 issue (1st edition), these 26 cadets add up to a 15-16 percent mark of 2006-2007 graduates who now have definite employment. However, this percentage excludes the NSA, special and academic scholars as well as those who applied for employment in the local seas. Had the domestic companies’ shipboard training offerings been included, there could have been a higher rate of the employment of the cadets. Mr. Maluya was quick to add that a majority of the cadets prefer to board international vessels, citing the compensation in American dollars as a major incentive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by She 25 (talk • contribs) 08:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC) [edit] Parameters vs. values"The main activity of journalism is the reporting of events by stating the journalistic parameters of who, what, when, where, and how and commenting on the significance of the event." Shouldn't that be "stating the values of the journalistic parameters"? Prawn 15:57 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
[edit] EducationI'd like to see education oriented information on the subject, such as prominent universities in the area, etc. Kylratix 22Jul03
Maurreen 19:12, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Writing, occupation
My comments on the above: the practice of writing is too narrow - add: in the mass media, and make mass media an entry word. some people write a diary with the same pretext. journalists should have a more meaningful definition too, from DOT or similar resources. Interestingly enough journalist does not exist as an entry in DOT. See editor, or author or writer instead, such as in this: quote from http://www.occupationalinfo.org/13/132017014.html CODE: 132.017-014Buy the DOT:Download/Diskettes/CD-ROM TITLE(s): EDITOR, NEWSPAPER (print. & pub.) alternate titles: editor-in-chief, newspaper Formulates editorial policy and directs operation of newspaper: Confers with editorial policy committee and heads of production, advertising, and circulation departments to develop editorial and operating procedures and negotiate decisions affecting publication. Appoints editorial heads and supervises work of their departments in accordance with newspaper policy. Writes leading or policy editorials or notifies editorial department head of position to be taken on specific public issues. Reviews financial reports and takes appropriate action with respect to costs and revenues. Represents publication at professional and community functions. In smaller establishments may perform duties of one or more subordinate editors and direct activities of advertising, circulation, or production personnel. GOE: 11.08.01 STRENGTH: S GED: R6 M3 L6 SVP: 9 DLU: 77 apogr I wonder whether one could include similar links where the original definiton seems to be lacking depth. Apogr 09:36, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC) [edit] Full Of Crappola[edit] BloggingRenamed section from "public journalism," which has a different meaning in the industry. Maurreen 19:12, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Protection of sourcesMaybe a note about the recent case in Rhode Island in which a reporter has been punished for protecting his source?--Dupes 18:27, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] New sectionWhoever added "Objectivity and Journalism in the United States" did ag ood job. Maurreen 04:50, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) [edit] Journalism as "pursuit of the truth"
By this definition, journalism would include science, philosophy, theology, and anything else where a person seeks "the truth". This sounds like a pep-talk given at a journalism school, not a real definition of journalism. If this is to be included it needs to be in context and we need to say who made this statement. AdamRetchless 17:28, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC) Let's not forget political activism or social crusading. Too many journalists these days view themselves as social crusaders and so the factual news takes a second seat to the 'agenda' of the particular crusading journalist. Perhaps therefore 'journalism' should be reclassified as a form of fiction. Sean7phil (talk) 00:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC) [edit] Wikipedian categoryI've created Category:Wikipedian journalists. Maurreen 06:27, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) [edit] Civic journalismWhy was civic journalism removed? Maurreen 16:24, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC) [edit] Witness POVI've created Witness POV to enable the inclusion of journalist POV history analysis , and in the first instance that of Edgar Ansel Mowrer . A comparison between his writing and that to be found in the encyclopedic NPOV articles hopefully will justify the reporting of the reporter . His writing being as close to the original as teacher allows .Flamekeeper 22:41, 14 May 2005 (UTC) [edit] New WikiProject needs editorsAnyone interested in journalism is invited to Wikipedia:WikiProject Journalism. Maurreen 4 July 2005 14:52 (UTC) [edit] CategoriesSomeone has proposed Category:Journalism and a few related categories for deletion or merging. Maurreen (talk) 00:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC) [edit] publicationwould you like to publish this article? -- Zondor 22:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] the First Amendmentdoes anyone think that there should be some sort of link or at least a reference to the First Amendment? i think it's kind of important to the press, and although i don't know much about it, it should at least be mentioned.
[edit] local/national/international newsIs there a good link or article on the terms "local news" vs "national news" vs "international news", etc? I'm not asking about distribution, but news coverage. Thanks. Simon12 13:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC) [edit] Australian PageG'day everyone. I just started a page about Australian Journalism. It isn't anywhere near finished, but please feel free to contribute. Cheers. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 03:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC) [edit] Role of Journalism sectionIt says "In the 1920's, as modern journalism was just taking form, writer Walter Lippmann and American philosopher John Dewey debated over the role of journalism in a democracy. It is important to understand their differing philosphies." - WHY is it important to understanding their differing philosophies? I'd like to replace that line with something like "Their differing philosophies express two of the most important attitudes to the role of journalism (today? in the US? int eh world?) but I don't know enough about the subject to know whether that's true. Anyone? Lijil 13:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC) [edit] History of JournalismWhat this article needs is a summary of the history of journalism, and then we need to create a separate history of journalism article. Then the Role of Journalism entry can be put into context. That entry has a little too much POV, BTW. I plan to start writing this when I have time and have done some research. Anyone who wants to start it themselves, go for it. Gladmax 12:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC. The history of journalism, or the development of the gathering and transmitting of news, spans the growth of technology and trade, marked by the advent of specialized techniques for gathering and disseminating information on a regular basis that has caused, as one history of journalism surmises, the steady increase of "the scope of news available to us and the speed with which it is transmitted." Who won the US media war? women in Iraq By Steve Schifferes BBC News Online, Washington Peter Arnett on Iraqi TV Peter Arnett: Sacked after appearing on Iraqi TV The cable news networks have seen a dramatic increase in viewers as a result of the Iraq war. In the fierce battle for viewers among the competing television news organisations, it has been Fox News Channel, the cable network controlled by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, that has been the big winner. Fox News, which puts a patriotic spin on the news and became the largest cable news channel in 2002, increased its number of viewers by 300% to average 3.3 million daily viewers during the conflict. It was a remarkable achievement for the channel, which was only started in 1996. CNN was second, with 2.65 million, while rival MSNBC, which is owned by the television network NBC, had 1.4 million - the biggest gain, in percentage terms (350%), for the smallest of the cable news stations. MSNBC copied many features of Fox News, adding conservative commentators, a US flag on screen, and a special section called "America's Bravest" where viewers could send pictures of their loved ones serving in the armed forces in Iraq. Networks suffer CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite in 1973 CBS newsman Walter Cronkite influenced a president The big losers, meanwhile, were the TV network's nightly news programmes, which actually lost two million viewers - or 10% - during the same period, after an initial increase in the first few days. Only NBC, which may have benefited from cross-promotion from its cable channel, was able to stem the decline. In previous wars, viewers had turned to the trusted anchors like CBS's Dan Rather, ABC's Peter Jennings, and NBC's Tom Brokaw, to interpret the news. Indeed, it was the comments of former CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite during the Vietnam War that helped convince President Lyndon Johnson that he should not stand for office in 1968. This was reporters' war, not an anchors' war; this involved a series of very profound individual vignettes Andrew Heyward, president, CBS News But the president of CBS News, Andrew Heyward, said the new practice of embedding reporters with military units was a very important change this time around. "This was reporters' war, not an anchors' war; this involved a series of very profound individual vignettes," he said, which were upsetting to some viewers. The mainstream networks point out that they still have a total of 28 million viewers, as opposed to between seven million and eight million for the cable news stations. But this time, CBS's Dan Rather only reached Baghdad in a convoy after the fighting was over. The dilemma of the networks was reflected in their agonising - during the first weekend of the war - over whether to run 24-hour coverage of the conflict, or to show a popular college basketball tournament which might get higher ratings. Basketball, inevitably, finally won. The "Fox effect" There was also a fierce battle over embedded and other correspondents between the networks. General Wesley Clark, who later became a television commentator Too many retired officers commenting? The star CNN war correspondent of the 1991 Gulf War, Peter Arnett, who was again in Baghdad, this time for National Geographic and MSNBC, was sacked after appearing on Iraqi television. Fox News' celebrity presenter Geraldo Rivera was temporarily removed from his unit of the 101st Airborne Division for giving away their position. Meanwhile, Bush administration officials and military leaders were highly critical of the commentary provided on many news programmes by retired generals, such as CNN's Wesley Clark, as too pessimistic. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that there were too many "retired military officers" who opined on television and newspapers "that constantly, you know, blare big headlines of 'Henny Penny: The Sky Is Falling,' 'It's Just Terrible,' or 'Isn't It Awful?' " The fact that the war was so extensively covered on cable - and on the internet - has significantly shortened the "news cycle", so that coverage swung very quickly between optimism and pessimism as events unfolded. There is a long-standing tradition of middle-of-the-road journalism that is objective and fair - I would hate to see that fall victim to the Fox effect Andrew Heyward But after years in which there had been criticism - on radio talk shows and the internet - of the "liberal bias" of the media, this was the moment in which those critics moved into the mainstream, and are now being closely watched by their rivals. "I certainly think all the news people are watching the success of Fox," Mr Heyward said. "There is a long-standing tradition in the mainstream press of middle-of-the-road journalism that is objective and fair. I would hate to see that fall victim to the Fox effect." The highly partisan atmosphere of the news, and the sometimes defensive tone of the main networks, also contributed to an increase in the figures for alternative sources of the news, such as National Public Radio, a small state-funded broadcaster. 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[edit] Don't remove the linksHi, all, I don't know who removed the links to the other Wiki journalism pages or external links, but please don't do that again. They are necessary and should be preserved. Gladmax 12:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC) [edit] Prophetic ImpulseHello, I wasn't sure where to suggest a new page/topic so I picked this as the best discussion/talking page to start on. In a class I'm taking at the University of Washington, the professor introduced the concept of Prophetic Impulse as the innate motivation to record and report news, events and tell stories. When I searched for this phrase with Google, I found a few pages that referenced a character named Rickydoc but it didn't really give me any insight into how the idea of prophetic impulse and press/journalism relate. I believe there are literary materials out there that discuss this but I think wikipedia could really step in and help fill in this information gap. Thank you for taking the time to read and consider my suggestion. 167.88.201.100 01:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC) [edit] Internet journalists jailed[1] Here's an interesting article that should be incorporated somehow to mention that currently 49% of Internet journalists are currently in jail. NorthernThunder 16:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Thanks NT. After reading more thoroughly - its an interesting statistic. I'll see if it can get some kind of corroboration from any of the original sources. Any pointers will be helpful. AlanBarnet 08:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC) [edit] Straight writingHi all. This article is pretty good. I realise conjunctions can help the flow of writing BUT they can also make it argumentative:) WP recommends to avoid such writing. I think its easy enough to write it straight. AlanBarnet 04:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC) [edit] Blogsi'm reverting vandalism and sorry if the blogs section was meant to be deleted--User:Rock2e Talk - Contribs 16:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC) [edit] Need comment at deletion discussionPlease see the discussion here -- this needs more input from editors who actually work in this area. Badagnani 16:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC) [edit] possibly the worst article on wikipediabesides things mentioned above... consider that the first newspaper began in the year 1605... and yet this article mentions that journalism came to function in the 1920s...? What a joke! 24.148.118.190 09:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Template overhaul proposalI've created a reorganization of the {{Journalism}} template that appears on this article. The proposed changed template can be viewed here in my user namespace. I did so mostly to distinguish fields, like fashion and business, from genres, like investigative and watchdog journalism, but also to avoid various redirects, redundancies, and one red link. I've tried to include links to the most general, well-developed articles, because those then tend to include links to articles on various more specific topics. I've also tried to tidy up the visual aspect of the text layout a bit. I realize an organizational overhaul of an article namespace template may be a bit too bold, so I posted a notice at Template talk:Journalism, but after six weeks it doesn't appear to have been much noticed. I've duplicated the notice here in an attempt to notify more editors. Please comment here on this talk page or over on the proposed template talk page if you have any suggestions or ideas so that I can evaluate whether or not my version is agreeable. Thanks! - Tobogganoggin talk 01:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] FeedbackI've been working on the stub for Broadcast Journalism. I'd appreciate any feedback anyone has as well as any suggestions for further expansion on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmac9986 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC) [edit] Isn't it ironic?Isn't it ironic that the Wikipedia article on Journalism "is missing citations or needs footnotes"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.254.47 (talk) 02:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC) Haha! Indeed, ironic. Gary, please help with inputs, then. --Supriya 14:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC) [edit] This article is in dire need of an overhaulThe state of this article is pretty sad. It's a top-level article (a very important one), and yet it suffers from so many issues, many which real journalists could fix. Let's get together and fix like a broken down house, now shall we? Gary King (talk) 03:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC) [edit] RewriteI am attempting to re-write this page - the introduction as well as cite quotes, and make it sound less essayish. Please help with inputs. --Supriya 18:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC) Umm, is this necessary?
Hahaha. --Supriya 14:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC) it also needs a section on the history of journalism - this is very important. --Supriya 18:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] CobblersAs a British print journalist of some 20 years standing, I have to say that this article is a 'right load of cobblers.' Not only does it have a strong US bias, but many of the 'facts' are just plain wrong. It needs a major overhaul to give it any credibility, or else it should be split in half - so that Britain and the US can have their own journalism pages. (And, even then, I would suggest starting from scratch.)--79.64.183.14 (talk) 22:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
[edit] PrintThe last sentence in 1.1 is:
[edit] WordsThere are some serious problems with the use of words by the recent editor(s) of this article. "So-called citizen journalists"?? I mean, is this an encyclopedia or a "let's make digs at each other chatbox"? Citizen journalism is very important to the profession right now and the Internet does not "destabilize" journalism at all. Get a life. Supriya 20:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC) And what in the world is "descriptive material" supposed to mean?! This sounds really amateur. What kind of material are we talking about? Wood? Glass? Teak? Descriptive wood? Descriptive teak? I really wish I were the newsroom editor of the person who wrote this. Then there is a quote below these great words that has been attributed to no one. It leads to a citation, but hello, someone's random philosophy on journalism doesn't merit an inclusion into the article out of the blue! Geez, is this how hacks write? Supriya 20:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Database JournalismDon't you think we need a whole page/section on database journalism? I was going to create one when I saw it redirected on 'investigative journalism'. What's the rationale for that? It seems to me that database journalism, e.g. using API to distribute and create content, is a totally different world from investigation. Nicolaskb (talk) 17:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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