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Contents 1 FRENCH ECONOMY 2 Image copyright problem with Image:Schuman Declaration.jpg 3 Unlikely etymology for France. The name of the weapon "Francisca" is derived from the tribal name "Frank", NOT the other way round 4 Too damn many pictures 5 France is not a NATO member since De Gaulle 6 This "symbol", cannot be seriously considered as the symbol of France 7 Name of France 8 Suggestion: Science and technology 9 Scientology and so on are not considered as CULTS, but as SECTS !!!!!!!!!!! 10 France was Victorious in ww1 & 2?????? 11 The photo of the train named TGV" is taken in Avignon. it is not a "TGV atlantique" but "TGV Mediterrannén " 12 France Size 13 Map 14 Energy independence. 15 Flags of regions 16 Foreign relations 17 Size ranking in Europe 18 FRENCH is not the official language 19 But French IS the official language of France! 20 commas or dots for decimals? 21 Coordinate error 22 Evangelical Christians "stats" 23 ETHNIC GROUPS STATS BY EVANGELISTS 24 France 25 See Also 26 number of "Blacks" in France 27 Foreign Relations

[edit] FRENCH ECONOMY

I LOOKED AT THE ECONOMY SECTION OF FRANCE AND SAW THAT CHANGES HAVE NOT BEEN MADE YET. GDP NOMINAL IS FROM 2006 AND WE ARE NOW IN 2008, IT SHOULD BE 2.8 TRILLION USD (not 2,100 Trillion) AND 41,000 USD PER CAPITA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvisbajro (talk • contribs) 16:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

France is no longer the sixth largest economy but [the eighth] as of 2007 http://www.umsl.edu/services/govdocs/wofact2004/rankorder/2001rank.html Per PPP, France is just [33rd.] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by BreizhAtav (talk • contribs) 23:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Right, France has just the EIGHT GDP at PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) and the SIX at nominal prices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.53.110.3 (talk) 21:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

and there empire was not one of the largest it was the 7th largest jeez —Preceding unsigned comment added by Owehweghksdqgkedg (talk • contribs) 15:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Did you understand the sentence? one of the largest didn't mean the largest. So the 7th largest empire could be defined as one of the largest.

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Schuman Declaration.jpg

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This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --04:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC) HOLY CRAP I CANT FEEL MY LEGS;]<<<< whoever typed this rocks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.107.203.30 (talk) 20:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unlikely etymology for France. The name of the weapon "Francisca" is derived from the tribal name "Frank", NOT the other way round

This Wikipedia article falsely attributes the actual tribal name "Frank" (and hence the name "France") to the name of the throwing-axe weapon they used, the "Francisca" in Latin, or an alleged hypothetical name "Frankon". This is not credible. It is clearly attested that the name of this weapon came into Latin specifically because it was noted by Romans that this weapon was used by the Franks in battle. The name Franko(n) was the name that the Franks later applied to their domain, which was known in Latin as Francia, and ultimately became the name France.

Perhaps the authors of this article should consult the Wikipedia French language article on the Franks. The ultimate Germanic origin of the name "FRANK" is probably from a Germanic root "FREK-",. For example, "FREKKR" in Norse means "fierce, bold, valiant" .

I also found the Anglo-Saxon word "FRECA" which literally means "warrior, hero" and is attested in Beowulf, sometimes used to mean "wolf".

I was able to find support for this in the literature. In the book "An Historical Geography of France", by Panhol, Claval, and Lloyd, it is stated that this etymology was the interpratation of Isidore of Seville in the 7th century:

"A feritate morum nuncupatos", i.e. "named thus on account of their savage customs".

These words are echoed by Ermold the Black in the 9th century:

"Francus habet nomen de feritate sua", i.e. "The Frank is named for his ferocity".

Another possibility is a cognate with the Norse word for the Vikings that went into Russia, the Varangians, "Væringjar", from "vár" which means "pledge".

The notion that the name of the Franks was derived from the name of a weapon, like the name "Saxon" may be derived from the weapon "sax" or "seax" is not probable. For one thing, the "Saxon" is formed by a lengthening of "sax", whereas the opposite is true for "Frank" and "Francisca". The doubleheaded axe, the Francisca, is first attested in Latin texts in Spain, before this name was used in Gaul. As for the throwing lance or javelin, known in Anglo-Saxon as the "Franca" and in Norse as the "Frakka", again, the etymology of the weapon is clearly derived from the "Franks" themselves, and not the other way round. In Anglo-Saxon and other old Germanic languages, the "-a" at the end of "Franca" or "Frakka" denotes Genitive, Plural. Hence, the word literally means "...of the Franks", i.e. a Frankish-made javelin.

I believe the editors should update the article to reflect some of the information cited here. Thank you.

Jacob Davidson

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Franks" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 (talk) 18:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Please move the name discussion from the "Rome to revolution" section to the "Origin of name" section and make it consistent. Fig (talk) 13:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I am French and, at the school, we teached that the name of France is assigned at the tribe named "Franc" who invaded the Gaul--ZOTHOP (talk) 10:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Too damn many pictures

Again several users found interesting to add lots of pictures to this page. We agreed it wasn't a touristic brochure and I'm not certain many of these have any use here but showing how beautiful our country is. I agree it's a lovely place but here it's just not the place to show this. I'm making a list here of pictures that I believe serve no purpose but showing a beautiful picture in itself. If people agree they should be removed Matthieu (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC).

• The Calanques and the Lavander fields of Provence in the Geography section serve very little purpose. Not to mention they are both of fairly similar places, at least one is totaly useless here. These show landscapes but are largely irrelevant to the overall geography of France. Someone seeing these pictures wouldn't be more aware of France's geography or climate or whatever. A topologic map of France could be much more relevant.
• Thats not a picture but Thomas Jefferson's quote is irrelevant to the history section, it has a close to 0 informative value. In what way his quote affected France or others' history?
• In the economy section two pictures serve the same purpose, the A380 and the European Union flag both examplify the fact the French economy is integrated to Europe. Which is a fair and informative point but one picture is enough. I suggest to removed the European flag one as the A380 is more relevant to the French integration into Europe's industry and economy than the European flag.
• The picture of Notre-Dame in the religion section serves no purpose. We already know, through the graphic above, that France is mostly catholic. The only reason that picture of Notre Dame is here is to show another landmark of France.
• The picture of Claude-Monet is useful in that it's important to have the picture of someone that is important to the French culture. However I am not certain Monet is the most relevant example.
• In the litterature there are two pictures, one of Moliere and one of Baudelaire. One is already enough, two is too much. I would advise removing Baudelaire's.

[edit] France is not a NATO member since De Gaulle

It is written in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_NATO#Member_states "France withdrew from the integrated military command in 1966 to pursue an independent defence system. However, there were plans for it to rejoin sometime in 2008, but hadn't joined until now". This should be mentioned, shouldn't it? --Schwarzschachtel (talk) 06:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

This is not accurate and is a common misconception, France never left NATO, only the integrated military command. France has always been a member of the alliance as a political entity. Beside which, from a military point of view, France has participated in many NATO operations such as in Kosovo and Afghanistan and the French military operate with a lot of NATO standards and procedures. In practice, that meant that the French military was operating within NATO on a case by case basis after negotiations at the political level of the alliance and that French soldiers involved in NATO operations stay under French command at all time. The plans are to rejoin the integrated military command which it left in 1966, but it never left the alliance. Blastwizard (talk) 07:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, France never left the NATO alliance BritishWatcher (talk) 09:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] This "symbol", cannot be seriously considered as the symbol of France

The only official symbol of French Republic is its flag... (Constitution de 1958) The other symbol (looking like coat of arms) have no real legal status. It is just in use for rare specific circumstances (like passport) when French authories have no other solutions than using it, because all other countries have similar stuffs... So, as a frenchman and teatcher of history, it is really strange seeing Wikipedia could considerate that as "symbol of France" !!!... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.2.101.42 (talk) 02:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

this symbol is used at the cover of passport and french diplomacy were using it since 1912, so we can considr it as a symbol of France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.9.158.249 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 9 March 2009

I think this is beyond the point because it is part of the foreign relation section and as the Coat of Arms that represents France at the UN it should be shown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.136.227.28 (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Name of France

Can I ask how "Francia" "literally" "means" "Land of the Franks"? "Land of the franks" would in fact be "terra Francorum". Translating literally, Francia can only be transliterated, since the land known as Francia covered areas much larger than modern france. I don't know where "Frankland" has come from since this is an invented word. --86.146.215.169 (talk) 15:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion: Science and technology

Somebody needs to write something about France's achievements in the fields of science and technology and perhaps how they compare to other nations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.119.65 (talk) 02:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Scientology and so on are not considered as CULTS, but as SECTS !!!!!!!!!!!

On the page, you can read

"France is a secular country as freedom of religion is a constitutional right, although some religious organisations such as Scientology, Children of God, the Unification Church, and the Order of the Solar Temple are considered CULTS.[42]"

Read the link [42], all those movements are considered as SECTS, please change.

It's a difference between French and English. In English "sect" means a (possibly strange) version of a religion, where "cult" means a dangerous religious group. In French the meanings are almost reversed. The best English translation for the French word "secte" is "cult". HughesJohn (talk) 16:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] France was Victorious in ww1 & 2??????

Someone please explain that one to me. I thought France was lost in ww2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.104.45 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 8 March 2009

For a while it was, but they found it again. FFMG (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a nice one, FFMG. and to the other contributor, France lost in 1940, but the war was not over and Free French continued to fight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.9.158.249 (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

You can not capitulate and also be victorious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.132.119.8 (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

French fries and French toast were not officially made in France —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.158.237.22 (talk) 01:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Was France even part of ww2 and who cares about french fries and french toast —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.158.237.22 (talk) 01:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

in WW2 Garmany invaded after 6 weeks of battle France fell but several resistance groups fought throughout the Enemey ocupation of France and into Allied insertion. they may have fallen Millitary wise but the citezens refused to give up. so yes they did fall at first but they managed to keep from total control by weakening German forces through gurilliea tactics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance go to that page that wil lclear some up for you alwo look at France history

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.255.65.203 (talk) 23:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)  

The Free-French also fought all over the world as part of the Allies and once France was liberated she was able to raise an army to carry on fighting. France was one of the four occupying nations of defeated Nazi Germany, along with UK, USA & USSR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.119.85 (talk) 18:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The photo of the train named TGV" is taken in Avignon. it is not a "TGV atlantique" but "TGV Mediterrannén "

The photo of the train named "TGV" is taken in Avignon's railway station.

 it is not a "TGV atlantique" but "TGV méditerrannén " I'm not shore sorry 

do you kmow what paris is famous for now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.201.22 (talk) 14:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] France Size

France is the third largest country in Europe not second. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanqner (talk • contribs) 17:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC) If this is a protected page - does anybody bother to read the remarks of unauthorised editors? --Lanqner (talk) 16:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes - so which are the first and second largest, and do you have a reference? (not that I'm doubting you, but that's how the system works...) Hadrian89 (talk) 18:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Russia is the largest, Ukraine the second. If one wants to include France overseas territories, then one should also refer to countries which are not entirlely in Europe Turkey is larger than France and Kazakhstan is larger than France. I think one should limit itself to Europe itself and in this case France is the third largest after Russia and Ukraine. --Lanqner (talk) 10:10, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I think whoever wrote that meant that France was the largest country in Western Europe, but you are right, Ukraine is larger, It is difficult to classify Russia and Turkey as most of these countries are actually in Asia. For Turkey, only a tiny part West of Marmara is in Europe, and for Russia, anything East of Ural mountains which is at least two third is also in Asia.Blastwizard (talk) 20:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

So is this mistake going to be corrected? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanqner (talk • contribs) 12:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

For Turkey it is certainly the case, East Thrace is rather small. The Russian Federation however is not. Its larger part is on the Asian continent but its European part (encompassing most of the Russia that people know including Moscow) is still several times larger than Ukraine. Otherwise it can be argued that Turkey and Russia are not Asian countries either because they extend to Europe. Evlekis (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Since a few days, a very persistent user is repeatedly changing the maps of many European countries without caring to discuss these changes. The situation before these changes was this: Every country in the EU has an identical map, in which the EU is shown in light green and the country itself in dark green. To the best of my of knowledge, there has been no discussion on changing these 27 maps. Given that, I fail to see why some users now rush in to support these unsupported changes. I would be interested in hearing these users argue for why we should have a completely different kind of map for France than for the other 26 EU countries. In the meantime, I'm restoring the map that it is line with all the other maps.JdeJ (talk) 20:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, unsupported changes from you??, if you read all previous discussions about all these europeans maps in all discussion pages, apparently all users discussed to support this style of map, but no matter what, all europeans maps were changed by a user called Damian Radu without reason written in resume, now they must be reverted because almost all previous consensus weren't respected.--TownDown ^{How's it going?} 22:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Energy independence.

{{editprotected}} In the "Economy" section of this article, it says in the part about energy that "France is also the most energy independent Western country due to heavy investment in nuclear power (Nuclear power in France)". This strikes me as a bit odd, as you also have Switzerland which gets 95% of its power from co2 free sources, in form of nuclear power and water power. And as a even more energy independent country you have Norway, which does not rely on imported uranium, but is a large net exporter of oil. The same goes for Canada. I think it would be more precise to say that "France is one of the least CO2 emitting western counties(...)". TheFreeloader (talk) 19:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we could get some discussion on this. Please replace the request if consensus supports this change. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Flags of regions

Flags for most regions are wrong, e.g. for region Aquitaine this page gives File:Aquitaine_flag.svg but the correct one is File:Bandera_Regió_Aquitània.png as described on the page Aquitaine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.50.110.6 (talk) 15:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign relations

In the section named "Foreign relations", it is writed that France leaved the joint military command of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. It could interesting to write that this decision of president Charles de Gaulle has been cancelled by president Nicolas Sarkozy in 2009.--Pierrick42 (talk) 10:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Size ranking in Europe

The paragraph addressing France's land mass states that it is second in Europe after Ukraine (as in its principle shape which is the France that everybody knows, north of Spain, south-west of Germany etc). It also states that France is largest if including its "extra-European territories". This is clearly incorrect however you look at it: the largest land mass in Europe to include non-European territory is the Russian Federation (regardless of whether that external territory is far greater). Europe is an economical and non-geographical continent, and Russia belongs only to European institutions such as UEFA and the Eurovision (that is not to say that Israel is European). But you'll find that this is more down to Russia's European lands have a higher population than the rest of Russia, and the dominant Slavic nations (mainly ethnic Russians themselves) mostly living in and originating from west of the Urals. In addition, Turkey and Kazakhstan are both larger in land mass than Ukraine and both extend onto European terrain. Then you have Denmark which has sovereignty over the whole of Greenland. Greenland's ice sheet alone is over three times larger than the French territory of Europe despite the island being populated by fewer than 60,000. Whilst the addition of extra-European lands may allow France to overtake Ukraine (which is not very much bigger than France), those territories will certainly not catch Denmark. So here are some notes for consideration with France and its land mass:

• 1 – The sovereign state which occupies more of the European territory than any other is the Russian Federation. This is followed by the Ukraine, then France. However, Russian lands outside of Europe occupy more land than European Russia.
• 2 – France has extra-European territories which give the French government sovereignty over a greater land mas than Ukraine. However, Denmark, Kazakhstan and Turkey all have sovereignty over lands which are larger than Ukraine and France although their European sectors are all smaller than France.
• 3 – France, Russia, Denmark, Turkey and Kazakhstan are all countries with lands outside of Europe but only France has its larger part in Europe; and only Russia joins it in having its main part (administrative, commercial and populous) in Europe.

My list is not conclusive because I am not an expert on world affairs. Greenland is obvious because you cannot examine the globe and not see it! I suggest modifying the sentence to be more accuracte regarding France's ranking. My area of interest on WP is the Balkans, so I don't really wish to make changes to this article without a concensus; as such I will not take the liberty of changing any part of it unless nobody responds to this note. Evlekis (talk) 07:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I think france should ranked 3rd in Europe after Russia and Ukraine. Since we refer to Europe we should limit ourselves to the area each country has within Europe, excluding all areas outside Europe. --Lanqner (talk) 06:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] FRENCH is not the official language

France has no official language, see e.g. the CIA factbook or Ethnologue: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2098.html http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=FR Either delete it on the infobox or delete 'official' and replace it for 'de facto' or just 'language'. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.173.113.122 (talk) 22:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I cannot see anything in the references you gave that point to the language not been official/de facto.

Also I am not sure those links are actually reliable references, the CIA is a US agency and I don't know much about ethnologue.com. I guess we would need to check the texts of the French constitution to see if it actually mentions French as an official language or not. FFMG (talk) 03:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is, French is the official language of the French Republic, it is enshrined in the second article of its Constitution. Blastwizard (talk) 14:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Who are you replying to? FFMG (talk) 14:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

After a very quick look at the constitution article 2, (as mentioned by Blastwizard), French is the official language [1], (Art. 2: La langue de la République est le français). FFMG (talk) 06:53, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ethnologue is not a reference on French law; yet it does cite French as France's official language. The Constitution of France certainly is a reference on what is official or not. David.Monniaux (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The only way a country can not have an official language is if the country does not have a codified constitution, or if the constitution does not address the language issue (highly unlikely). France is renouned for its codified constitutions, the governance of each new republic being based precisely on the provisions of the writings. Examples of countries which have no codified constitution and thus no official language include the United Kingdom and Sweden. Evlekis (talk) 06:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree, because in some parts of east France, they speak German and in the south of France, bordered with Spain, they speak Spanish. (TheGreenwalker (talk) 22:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC))

Well... I'm french (and former student in History and Geography). In the south-west of my country (the side bordered by Spain), people speak french as first language. Basque, catalan and occitan are spoken too as "regional languages" but spanish... No. Look at french wikipedia : "http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langues_r%C3%A9gionales_ou_minoritaires_de_France". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.28.102.11 (talk) 21:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

And me I live in East France (in alsace) and oui nous parlons français! yes we speak french no german, the dialect is alsacian who is different from german language, but a few people speak it only old people generally and some young who have still interest in " regional language" but it's rare. so sorry but Thegreenwalker is a liar or never go to France and love to say stupid stuff like this.Fol2choco (talk) 21:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Ne vous inquiétez pas l'Alsacien, plusieurs d'entre nous sur ce site remettons les pendules à l'heure, comme vous pouvez le lire à la section ci-dessous. Cordialement, Frania de Lutèce. Frania W. (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] But French IS the official language of France!

French has been the official language of France for almost six centuries, since king François Ier signed the Ordonnance de Villers-Cotterêts in August 1539.

http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/histoire/villers-cotterets.asp

The French people still spoke in their various dialects or patois, but all official documents, which had previously been written in Latin, had to be written in French from then on.

In addition, the French Constitution Article 2 states:

La langue de la République est le français

Anymore doubt as to whether French is the official language of France or not? Frania W. (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there was any doubt, I already gave a link to the contitutuion should anybody want to read it. FFMG (talk) 20:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I simply wanted to underline the fact that French has been the official language of France for six centuries minus 20 years... and the country's republican constitution confirms it. Frania W. (talk) 21:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I am french and I can say than the official language of France IS The french everyhere the territory of France but there are, in certain regions, some informal dialects --ZOTHOP (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] commas or dots for decimals?

Most of this page is using the US standard ".", but the Labour market section has "," as in 39,9%. I guess this is a cut-n-paste issue. Should this page be made consistent? And which way would be the right way, the US style "." or the French style ","? 128.221.197.55 (talk) 18:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC) doug

Dots, as this is the English language Wikipedia. Indeed, it was probably the result of copy/paste from the French language Wikipedia. David.Monniaux (talk) 06:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinate error

The coordinates need the following fixes:

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121.54.2.115 (talk) 09:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

They speak French in Canada —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfet (talk • contribs) 22:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Evangelical Christians "stats"

Hello, I don't think that the so-called stats about the french population are relevant nor factual, I won't consider an US Evangelical Christian website aggregating others Evangelical Christian websites like anything close to a serious source... Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.238.37.74 (talk) 11:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreeing with above comment: there are official French & EU statistics to be used as sources.  :Frania W. (talk) 14:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ETHNIC GROUPS STATS BY EVANGELISTS

How come do you use ethnic group statistics from an non-neutral christian evangelist group which aim is to christianize the entire world ? (The "Joshua Project") Ethnic statistics are not used in France. How come there is NO ethnic statistics on the USA Wikipedia page used from The Joshua Project ? Are you doubtful of your sources for the USA and not for other countries ? Who is white ? Asian ? Eurasian ? mixed raced ? How do you define that exactly ? Ethnic groups statistics are racist, biased, dangerous and should be removed. JV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.80.241.98 (talk) 02:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

moving this new section at bottom of discussion page. Frania W. (talk) 03:26, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] France

tHE CAPITOL IS Paris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.73.220 (talk) 22:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] See Also

I'm kind of curious : why is the only link in that section to Language Imperialism ? Is this really so notable that it is the only article we encourage people to look at ? Especially as that article deals mostly with English... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.208.34.100 (talk) 16:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] number of "Blacks" in France

France doesn't have a definition for what is a "black" or what is a "white" person or any other "colour" for that purpose, so assessing the number of "blacks" in France is absolutely meaningless. Where does this illegal definition come from ? On what data is it based ? How has the data been collected ? If it is not either administratively nor scientifically grounded, the number of "black people in France" should be removed straightaway because it doesn't mean a thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sacredceltic (talk • contribs) 20:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign Relations

The phrase "but consequently rivaling the UK and limiting the influence of newly inducted East European nations." is an absolutely subjective judgement. Actually, France is happy to boost a few Eastern European countries because they are either francophone (Romania) or counter-balance the english-language domination because their citizens speak very little english (Hungary). Actually, "rivaling the UK" is not a policy of France at all since the 19th century, especially given that following the credit crunch, recent France's growth exceeds UK's growth, that the British pound has lost over 20% of its value and that the financial policy of the UK has been completely discredited along with its stance in favour of military intervention in Iraq, based on British Intelligence that was grounded on hearsay about Weapons of Mass Destruction by an iraqi taxi-driver. Sacredceltic (talk) 20:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)