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I dont really see it as being as an ethnic slur. Reading the post by CambridgeBayWeather, i think it should stay the way it is. Norum (talk) 09:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC) - As someone who aparently believes that "American" is an ethnicity, your expertise in this field is probably not something that will carry a lot of weight. -- The Red Pen of Doom 04:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree; I grew up (in Britain) thinking of the Eskimoes as a magnificent people with extraordinarily highly developed hunting skills and it is a mystery to me why the word should be regarded as pejorative. Isn't this really a local problem with attitudes to Eskimoes in some parts of Canada? The term Eskimo has certainly never been used pejoratively in my hearing and to compare it to 'nigger' seems just silly. The information in these discussions and articles suggests that it refers either to snowshoes or to the eating of meat or fish raw; as I understand it this is indeed normal Eskimo practice in an environment where cooking is very difficult so it is not clear to my why the term would be more offensive than 'wearers of fur' or 'kayak builders' would be. As a matter of fact if the meaning of Inuit is indeed 'real people' then it might be thought highly pejorative to the rest of us. Is it not reasonable to allow each language to have it's own name for other places and peoples? A strange practice has developed over recent years of selecting certain English words for this treatment; Peking suddenly became Beijing and Bushmen became San but no-one has asked me to call Munich Muenchen or Germany Deutschland and I am perfectly happy for the French to call my capital city Londres between themselves. The time to use the name favoured by the local people is surely when speaking their language with them. Erwfaethlon (talk) 11:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC) - I don't believe Canadian political correctness should infringe upon the article. In the US state of Alaska, many people proudly refer to themselves as Eskimos. And for the record, not all Eskimos are Inuit. In Canada they may be, but in Eastern Russia they are all Yupik, and in Alaska, an Eskimo can be either Yupik or Inuit, and believe me, a Yupik would be very offended at being labeled an Inuit. Keep the term Eskimo, and don't allow one nation's stance to imperially dicate Wikipedia terminology. 98.221.131.77 (talk) 03:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- The term "eskimo" is not used by the United States Census Bureau [1] nor Canada Statistics [2] nor do I believe that it is in current use by any modern ethnologists or anthropologists. The use (or rather lack of use) by the reliable sources and experts in the field carries more weight than Wikipedia editors claiming that they or someone else is not offended by the term. We follow the lead of reliable sources and the reliable sources are not using "Eskimo". -- The Red Pen of Doom 05:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- The US Census Bureau lumps all the indigenous people of Alaska (Eskimo, Aleut, Amerindian) into one collective category called "Alaska Native," so this is a poor example. Canadian political correctness outlaws the term Eskimo, so a Canadian source is also meaningless. I also fail to see how the fact that you don't "believe" ethnologists or anthropologists use the term somehow makes it invalid and sacrilege for Wikipedia. Even if non-Eskimo academics avoid the term, what about the Eskimo people themselves? See this site [3] for info on an organization of the said people that uses the name Eskimo. 98.221.131.77 (talk) 07:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
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- 98.221.131.77, you might want to cool it with the over the top remarks. You are saying that "Canadian political correctness" dictates you can't use the word Eskimo, ignoring the fact that some people in the Western Arctic still call themselves that, the multiple uses still current in Canada (see Eskimo (disambiguation) and search) and that there has little complaint about the Edmonton Eskimos and Abitibi Eskimos. Eskimo is still used in Canada and I hear it every day. You say that even though the majority of people living in the Canadian Arctic and Greenland find the word Eskimo offensive it's just "political correctness" and thus "...a Canadian source is also meaningless." and therefore should be ignored but that the Yupik people being offended by Inuit is OK and not "political correctness" and a Yupik source is OK. That is called double standard. You say "...don't allow one nation's stance to imperially dictate Wikipedia terminology." but that's not really happening. Instead you have editors giving their opinions. You have some people here saying that Eskimo is not offensive but that ignores the fact that many people do find the word offensive as do the Yupik find that being called Inuit offensive. One thing that has been ignored is that the Inuit Circumpolar Council which represents 150,000 people from all four Arctic countries uses Inuit and is agreed to by the Alaskan branch.
- TheRedPenOfDoom, there are multiple current uses of the word Eskimo in academic circles. Eskimo-Aleut languages, Paleo-Eskimo and Early Paleoeskimo are three that come to mind and a search for Paleo-Eskimo shows a lot more. A search of Google scholar for Eskimo also shows some recent works using the word.
- I think as there is no one single word agreed on by all people, be they Inuit, Eskimo or not, the two articles, Eskimo and Inuit should remain separate. As long as this article has a good explanation as to why some native people find the word offensive and neither claims to be an all inclusive word for them, then it shouldn't be a problem. I looked over this talk page and the archive, what a waste of time going over the same thing again and again. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 13:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't realize you felt my views were "over the top." Yes, some may find the term "Eskimo" offensive, whereas others may resent being called "Inuit" ; I was just trying to point out that 'Inuit' isn't necessarily a viable alternative for 'Eskimo,' and questioning why there was even a need for an alternative in the first place. When I said Canadian political correctness "outlaws" the term Eskimo, I didn't mean it literally. What I meant is that there are a lot of editors on here stating matter-of-factly that Eskimo is ALWAYS a derogatory term to ALL Eskimo people, and that ALL Eskimo people must now be called Inuit. Most of these editors are non-Eskimo EASTERN Canadians, who are taught this erroneous belief.
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- Also, I was not setting a double standard myself, but pointing to the double standard being set by some editors here. They were saying "We must take into account the feelings of Inuit who are offended by the term Eskimo," while totally ignoring the sentiments of non-Inuit Eskimo (as well as some Inuit Eskimo) not offended by the term.
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- Sorry about that. I misunderstood you. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 12:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- CambridgeBayWeather, the use of "Eskimo" in academic circles is limited to very specific anthropolocial jargon terms, and not in the general way that it is being used in this article. The article should probably be re-titled something like "Indigenous peoples of the polar region" which would be a term that more accurately describes all of the people/cultures covered. -- The Red Pen of Doom 15:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, this seems to be my week to misunderstand people. I'm not sure that your suggested title would work. It's not something that is used by anybody else so would fail the MOS. Also not all people that use the term Inuit are to be found in the polar region as some live in Nunavik and others in Nunatsiavut. Another thing is the term would also include non-Eskimo/Inuit people such as the Gwich’in and maybe others. Too bad we can't copy this. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 10:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Merge of content {{Mergeto|Eskimo|date=July 2009}} - Have acted on this.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Length of article Since the article has been lengthened by the text of the origin of the name perhpas the Eskimo language information could be made into a separate article.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC) It has been proposed that Origin of the name Eskimo be merged into Eskimo For the discussion, see Talk:Eskimo#mergefrom Origin of the name Eskimo 70.29.208.69 (talk) 06:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC) [edit] Merge with Eskimo Have acted on this but Talk page needs to go too.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)  Y Done Article and talk redirected, here is the content of the talk page in case anyone cares: | Extended content | | Shouldn't this article be merged with the main Eskimo page? [edit] Merge with Eskimo Have acted on this but Talk page needs to go too.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC) | --Beeblebrox (talk) 03:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC) They survived for many thousands of years without vegetables, fruit, or grains. How is this possible?Lestrade (talk) 02:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Lestrade - Not quite true. They didn't cultivate plants but harvested what was naturally available, although not in a large quantity. Anything missing from the plants would be available in meat. As an example vitamin C that is usually obtained from plants would have been obtained from the liver of animals. Did you see Inuit#Diet and Inuit diet? Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 08:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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- I guess that everything I learned in Health Class was misinformation. I'll try sitting around and chewing the fat.Lestrade (talk) 16:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Lestrade
- makes sure that it's the correct fat. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 19:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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