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[edit] Dear Slim

would you say that eminem listened to it and got the message? If u listen to Evil Deeds on his album Encore you can hear some reffrence to christianity such as "Father please forgive me for i kno not wat i do, I just never ever had the chance to ever meet you". Please Respond —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.100.143 (talk) 11:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List

needs list of prominent artists. ReverendG 00:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

yes please merge "christian hip hop" and "holy hip hop" - but PLEASE do NOT list under "Holy Hip Hop" that sounds so dorky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djp72 (talk • contribs)

Now...just because something sounds dorky does not mean people do not use it. But I would have to agree that Holy Hip Hop sometimes is used to described religious related hip hop like Islam. Under the old mp3.com website they had the section for Christian hip hop under spiritual hip hop.

[edit] Unexplained deletions

Please give some explanation as to why history should be deleted. Paul foord 14:37, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

you guys need to listen to DMX's song lord give me a sign if you want to listen to some real christian rap.

[edit] Please Explain

likewise the secular hip hop community has also at times persecuted Christian hip hop artists and followers.

This sentence reeks of NPOV, either we should scrap that sentence or add sources.

Yes, it does "reek of NPOV," because it was written from a neutral point of view. I'm sure you meant that it is the writer's point of view, but that's beside the point. Unfortunately, it is true that many Christian emcees (most infamously D-Boy) have been persecuted by secular hip hop artists and crews. That's probably where the term "sucker emcee" came from. ^{|phantasy phanatik|talk|contribs|}

Not true. The term "sucker emcee" goes back farther than Danny boy.

Agreed. "Sucker MCs" dates at least back to the Sugarhill Records era...I believe there was a relatively popular rap song with that name. Long before D-Boy. GBrady (talk) 17:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] D-Boy's death

Is there a reliable cite for D-Boy being killed due to evangalizing the gangs? All reliable sources I can find say it was a case of mistaken identity or the motive for his killing was unknown. Ashmoo 02:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Most recent source I could find quoted his mother as saying there was no definitive motive given/culprit found. I've changed that in the article.GBrady (talk) 17:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intro too long

Some of the intro needs to be moved to the article. At present it is very unbalanced hjaving an intro as long as the article. Whats with all the links to clothiong brands etc. It looks a lot like spam to me? David D. (Talk) 06:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

i notice an anon IP reverted back to the bad old version that had an overlong intro and tons of spam links. i have reverted it bac to the last good version by LeinadSpoon. This is not acceptable format on wikipedia. Articles should not become link farms. David D. (Talk) 06:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corrected Info. about D-Boy's Murder

Per the Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-cookie_08met.ART.State.Edition2.e26d8ac.html), Danny Rodriguez "D-Boy" was murdered in 1990 when he was leaving his apartment complex. Police have never apprehended a suspect and the motive for the killing is not known.

I have fixed that portion of the D-Boy article. I'm having some trouble getting the footnotes in there so if someone can explain to me how to do that, I'll try and properly source it. Also, the article provided me some great additional details to add to the article...renaming Street Church after D-Boy, the 2006 tribute concert etc. Does anyone know more about what that tribute CD was called, who was on it, who participated at the concert, etc.? GBrady (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The D-Boy tribute album was titled Fallen Soldier. To mark a footnote, include the footnote directly in the paragraph you intend to footnote (where you want the number to display), and surround it with <ref> and </ref> tags. Jpers36 (talk) 17:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other rappers

One of the most ironic quirks of rap artists, given their usual lyrics - look through the liner notes to most US RAP/Hip Hop. You will find the artist/band thanking god. I think Geto Boys are the best example of this 164.143.244.34 17:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion or Fact?

...two groups emerged in this new scene that not only had the "gospel" / "Christian" part, but also had the credible skills and "street wise" artistry to make an impact in the secular or mainstream scene as well...

This section in particular seems to just be blind assertion. Whether someone is 'street-wise' or not is a matter of opinion. A better way of framing this would be if you found someone of prominence in the hip hop community who expressed this point of view.

Before The Cross Movement, many of the artists in the genre were passive, speaking of Christ only when necessary.

Can this be supported with a citation? This seems to be a VERY POV statement as well as very dismissive of the intent of old-school Christian rappers from the late 80s/early 1990s as well. I'd like to see this drastically reworded unless it can be cited.GBrady (talk) 17:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] First Hip Hop Worship Album?

How is Rawsrvnt's album, "In Rare Form" listed as the first Hip Hop Worship Album? Wasn't Hip Hop Praise's album "Sinner's Prayer" way before that? This article seems to have a lot of fake statements like this one, and I'm concerned the credibility simply isn't here. 141.151.175.91 20:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

How do I post to this discussion page as there is no such option? The only option I have is to edit other people's posts!

You may start a new discussion by clicking the edit this page link at the top and adding a new level 2 sectional heading at the bottom. Alternatively, you may click the (+) sign next to the edit link to start a new discussion. :) aJCfreak yAk 06:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

The "Holy Hip Hop Database" agrees with User above that "Hip Hop Praise" from MG the Visionary was the first hip hop worship album. 2000 is given as release date: "He also produced and recorded the project "Sinner's Prayer" released in 2000, which is the first praise hip hop album." IN RARE FORM wasn't released until 2006.GBrady (talk) 15:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Rev. Rap" really first?

I've seen the name "Plain White Rapper" mentioned as an early cassette only Christian rap release but I haven't been able to find a definitive source yet. Anyone familiar with that tape know its year of release? GBrady (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Web links and Refernces

First just for those who are new or not familiar with Wiki. Places in the article that cite and external website are called "Refences" and are automatically added n the page when you use {{reflist}} on a page. So DO NOT delete this tag. If you want to have genereal references to for article where no direct citation is used, you may put it after the {{reflist}} tag, however this is discouraged. If you just want to post a link, you can use the section I just created called Web Links.

I think we should keep the Web Links section as it is a valuable recource, however a general wiki concensus among many users is not to use them. Many people use WP to promote thier own or favorite sites or artists, but I still think this is OK as long as it's not abused. See the comment I put in the section regarding guidelines for adding sites. If you feel the section should be deleted, please discuss here before deleting. Thanks! --Lefton4ya (talk) 21:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I like the DMOZ link first, but unless anyone wants to be an editor over there, the links on DMOZ are sorely lacking so I think a few longstanding professional website links should be included in the links section. I added: "NO Links to Artist, Record Label, Stores, Magazines/e-zines, radio sites - only general Christian Hip Hop sites with professional reviews or links to other sites." in page note. If you disagree, reach a consensus here. --Lefton4ya (talk) 16:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Why no Magazines/e-zines? Some of the links are just that. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, well I guess if by Magazines/e-zines, it means in depth articles, album reviews and new, and a/v clips, then I guess all websites would be considered e-zines. I guess I meant not having print (or PDF) magazines websites. But we definitely should allow websites with reviews and articles. --Lefton4ya (talk) 14:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean it? You're the one who left the comments, what do you mean by them? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Artists

I don't think that people like Tupac, Dmx, Jay-Z and Kanye should be mentioned in this article, let alone given a whole paragraph. Just because an artist mentions God, Christ, or anything remotely spiritual in one song then turns around talking about selling drugs, killing and hurting people, etc. in fourteen or fifteen other songs is NOT CHRISTIAN music. The only three people I myself have heard of in this article are Lecrae, Trip Lee and Tedashii. There are other artists worth mentioning in this article too. People from Cross Movement Records like The Cross Movement, Flame, The Ambassador Sho Baraka, Json...Then S.O.A.K. (Sons of a King) with Lunie 3:80, Semaj, and Judah Man. Conviction, Pettidee...--Lilac22281 (talk) 16:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with your first sentence. List of Christian hip hop and rap artists also needs work. You can go ahead and clean up the article if you want to. Be bold!. -- œ ^™ 19:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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